Democratic voters will soon be rounded up

[John Larkin]

On Sun, 23 Jan 2005 12:20:42 -0600, "Watson & Parisi" <niche@rcn.com>
wrote:

"robert j. kolker" <nowhere@nowhere.net> wrote in message
news:35foe6F4m1k7sU1@individual.net...
Keep them working, keep them worried and keep the grateful that they
still have a job. As Lenin once said the Proletariat is revolting. I
agree. The Proletariate is very revolting.

Bob Kolker

Let's see now. You have said that you want to nuke all the Muslims, to
extend the American empire around the world by force of arms, and
domestically to keep working people totally subjugated. You sound like a
perfect Republican,

No, he just sounds nasty. There are lots of mean people on the left
and on the right.

John

 

[John Larkin]

On Sun, 23 Jan 2005 08:18:12 -0500, "robert j. kolker"
<nowhere@nowhere.net> wrote:

jmfbahciv@aol.com wrote:


Mostly, none. This party also doesn't have a practical bone
in their thinking.

By and large true. The Liberarian vote is essentially "none of the
above" or NOTA. If the Libertarian party every won in a major way, most
Libertarians (party memebers) would die of shock.

Bob Kolker

How can you organize a political party that consists of people whose
philosophy is "leave me alone"?

John

 

[John Larkin]

On Sun, 23 Jan 2005 00:40:49 -0800, William Elliot <marsh@privacy.net>
wrote:

On Sat, 22 Jan 2005, Gactimus wrote:

In the next election who you vote for will be monitored and anyone who votes
for Democrats will be rounded up and thrown in a work camp. So make sure you
vote Republican so this does not happen to you!

Revival survival manual for the next theofascist four years: immediately
get baptized and a Republican Party membership card and don't worry about
the democrats, they're on the endangered species list.

Then kick back and relax, when the domocrates are gone, you'll get to
watch the privatized corporate Republican politicans fight among
themselves. It's billed to be the show down of the century, so be sure
not to miss it.

Privatized corporations always fight among themselves. It's called
"competition."

John

 

[robert j. kolker]

John Larkin wrote:

How can you organize a political party that consists of people whose
philosophy is "leave me alone"?

Do you enjoy paying 30 to 40 percent of your income to support people
who neither weave nor spin (that would be most corporate executives and
the slum bunnies)? I think people should pay for what they get and get
what the pay for.

Bob Kolker

 

[William Elliot]

On Sun, 23 Jan 2005, John Larkin wrote:

William Elliot <marsh@privacy.net> wrote:

Revival survival manual for the next theofascist four years: immediately
get baptized and a Republican Party membership card and don't worry about
the democrats, they're on the endangered species list.

Then kick back and relax, when the domocrates are gone, you'll get to
watch the privatized corporate Republican politicans fight among
themselves. It's billed to be the show down of the century, so be sure
not to miss it.

Privatized corporations always fight among themselves. It's called
"competition."

Until there's just one corporation and no small businesses.

Then you buy drugs, prescription and street drugs, food,
clothing, housewhole furnishings, electronic equipment,
house, car, dog, cat, spouse, religion and politics from
the one almighty provider, Monsanto thru it's pet merchant
WalMart.

 

[Roger Bagula]

Gactimus wrote:

In the next election who you vote for will be monitored and anyone who votes
for Democrats will be rounded up and thrown in a work camp. So make sure you
vote Republican so this does not happen to you!

I found this link ( I really doubt President Bush would go this far in
his path of lying to everybody: are you red or blue list... or unlisted?):
http://www.wealth4freedom.com/truth/6/holocaust.htm



The Coming American Holocaust?
Death Camps And Pick-Up Lists Ready?

"Men occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of them pick
themselves up and hurry off as if nothing had happened"
Winston Churchill

Note - The following is an interview with 'Mr. Sea' regarding alleged
New World Order plans for the U.S. and its citizens. This is being
posted as a point of information. We have seen video of the Indiana
facility mentioned and it does appear to accurately fit the description
in this interview.

[NOTE: odds are you won't believe this source, so I have included an
alternative source including admissions from the Director of Resource
Management for the U.S. Army and from Congressman Henry Gonzales
(D,Texas). Read it and get very angry. - W.A.C.]

In the spring of 1997, Senior Editor, Professor Ian Stewart, met with
"Mr. Sea" (real name known but withheld) to discuss what he has learned
first-hand about the coming persecution at the hands of the New World
Order operatives.

With a seven-inch thick portfolio filled with photographs, news
articles, correspondence, etc., Mr. Sea revealed disturbing information
about New World Order efforts to destroy and enslave America.

The following are some of Mr. Sea's comments. But first, let's take a
look at the man who made the comments.

Mr. Sea, a committed Christian, is a former inspector for the Joint
Chiefs of Staff and the Department of Defense, with 31 years of federal
service: 22 in the military, nine with the Department of Defense,
including two year with the Air Staff. He's a holder of the Bronze Star,
the Purple Heart, the Defense Meritorious Service Medal, three awards of
the Joint Service Medal, all of the Vietnamese awards, as well as the
Joint Meritorious Unit Medal.

When he retired a few years ago, he was awarded the Secretary of Defense
Civilian Service Medal. He's been around the world to 31 countries on
four continents, and speaks five languages.

Mr. Sea spoke of the coming American Holocaust of the Government's plans
for dealing with the non-New World Orderites. He spoke of the
infrastructure that has already been set up to incarcerate and execute
Americans, and the locations of the facilities that will be used for
these purposes all with photographs, leaving little to the imagination.

"The infrastructure is set up. There are at least 130 concentration
camps quietly modified facilities which have sprung up and continue to
spring up across the country, seemingly devoid of activity, yet
requiring strange accoutrements such as barbed wire-topped fencing (with
the tops turned inward) and helicopter wind socks. Most have good
logistical supportability, with major highways and railroad transport
facilities adjacent to the sites.

"These facilities, many in remote areas across our country, are set up
to become concentration/detention camps, complete with gas chambers, for
resisters and dissidents. Generally speaking, they're set up for
dissenters who will not go along with the New World Order. The
'resisters' are gun owners who refuse to give up their weapons; the
'dissidents' are Christians, Patriots and Constitutionalists. These
camps are set up. I've seen many of them.

"On August 6, 1994, I toured the Amtrak Railcar Repair Facility at Beech
Grove, Indianapolis, Indiana. There are at least ten maintenance barns
at this facility, covering 129 acres, with two separate fences with the
tops leaning inward. The windows of several buildings have been bricked
up. Hence, you have three levels of security for Amtrak repair barns!

"There are three helicopter 25-knot aviation wind socks (which aren't
the correct ones to use for chemical spills which require 10-knot wind
socks). There are high security NSA-style people turnstiles, and high
intensity/security lighting for 24-hour operation. The box car (gas
chamber) building fence is marked with special 'RED/BLUE Zone' signs
[visible in the photo ]. This corresponds to the 'mission' of the
RED/BLUE Lists which surfaced in June and July of 1996.

[NOTE: that is approx. when I became convinced that rumours of similar
compounds here in Canada had a basis in fact.- W.A.C.]

"Under martial law, this will become a death camp. They're only going to
handle category one and two (RED and BLUE) people there. This box car
facility will be used for execution.

"One of the barns is large enough to put four box cars into. There are
powered vents on the top of the barn to vent the gas out of the building
after the box cars have been fumigated. All of the buildings have newly
installed six-inch gas pipes and furnaces installed in all 'railroad barns.'

"Since the photo [snipped] was taken in August 1994, FEMA has allocated
$6 million to make the walls and roofs of the buildings 'airtight' (see
article below). Under martial law, this facility could be immediately
used as an SS-style 'termination' gas chamber.

"On January 27, 1995, The Indianapolis News ran an article titled,
'Amtrak Lays off 212 at Beech Grove: 170 Lose Jobs at Maintenance Center
Today.' Why perform $6 million worth of renovations, and then lay off
212 people? Because the people doing the final executions will not be
Americans. Thus, the 'slots' of the 212 will be filled with non-Americans.

"They'll hire foreigners for this 'cappo' task. Cappo ('chief' in
Italian) was the title of the trustee prisoners who actually killed many
Jews for the SS butchers at Dachau, and at other Nazi crematoria across
Europe.

"The news article also said, '...hopes the yard may be able to solicit
work repairing private train cars, and perhaps subway cars from
Washington, DC, or other urban areas.' The repairing of private trains
is a dead giveaway to death cars!

"The article went on to say, 'Late last year, Congress ordered Amtrak to
spend at least $5.9 million patching holes in the roof and fixing
masonry on the walls of the giant machine sheds at Beech Grove.' These
buildings have been 'sealed.' They're airtight. The facility is
constructed to allow gas to be blown into all the buildings via the
newly installed, two-story, hot air heating furnaces."

Next, Mr. Sea elaborated on the two categories the 'RED and BLUE Lists'
and what they mean: "The RED List is for pick-up and execution before
unobtrusive preparations for martial law are initiated. The BLUE List is
also for execution, but at a later date 'within six weeks of martial law
declaration. There are no 're-education' plans for either category' just
execution.

"When you get picked up on a RED pick-up, they'll take you from your
home at night...probably around 4 a.m. and put you in a black van, then
drive you to a helicopter waiting to fly you to an intermediate point.
There, you'll be loaded onto a big 64-passenger CH-47 Chinook
helicopter...all black, unmarked and illegally operating under the
Treaty on Open Skies.

"Then they'll fly you to one of 38 cities where you'll board a 747, 737,
or 727. "You may be taken straight to a temporary detention facility.
When you're RED listed, you'll be taken to a red camp. Then you'll be
executed.

"At some point, martial law will be declared. (Martial law is when the
writ of Habeas Corpus to have a trial by jury is suspended. Instead, of
going to the judge, you go straight to jail for a limited time,) I
suspect there will be a major outage, or some other crisis which will be
the reason to declare martial law. At this point, the BLUE listed people
will be picked up. At that time, the country will be regionalized into
ten regions, which are already designated by FEMA.

"Be advised that it has been proven (in Wyoming and at least one other
location) that the black choppers have state-of-the-art radio (RF)
frequency wideband jammers, and can jam cell phones and CBs while
they're executing black operations missions (i.e., in your area). This
means that your cell phone could be jammed just before and/or during any
action against you.

"In June of 1996, an FBI agent got hold of the Region Three BLUE List
(from a CIA agent), and found his own name on it, and those of several
others he knew in Virginia. The Regional BLUE List stated that the names
on the BLUE List would be picked up 'within six weeks of the actual
martial law declaration.'

"This parallels the Nazi RED/BLUE List policy almost to the letter. The
parallel Nazi plan was published by Heinz Hohne in his 1966 book, The
Story of the Nazi SS: The Order of the Death's Head. (I've read this
book and sent it to Jack McLamb.)

"People say, 'It won't work.' But it will work if the 300,000 Soviet
troops which are ALREADY HERE can get the guns. The name of the game is
to blackball the people to get the guns . . . make the militia look bad,
make guns look bad, make everybody give up their guns. Once they get
your gun, they've got you, UNLESS you've got the angel of the Lord at
your door. If you've got the angel of the Lord out there protecting you,
it's another story. "The ones doing all of this are operating out of the
highest places in the Federal Government. They're cooperating with
'spirit guides and mediums' and using astrology and numerology. The
spirit guides are telling them what to do, and the entire thing is being
orchestrated at the highest spiritual levels. Every base has been
covered. They've thought of everything.

"If you notice, they often do things on the 13th of the month. Mr.
Clinton does a lot of things on the 13th. On September 13, 1993, the
brokered Israeli-PLO peace accord was signed. He waited 14 days, until
September 13, 1994 to sign the Crime Bill. On June 13, 1995, he stated
he'd veto the national debt authorization ceiling. On November 13, he
did veto it. On January 13, 1996, he made a speech to Bosnia.

"Amos 3:7 says that God doesn't do anything without first revealing His
secrets to His servants the prophets. God is giving His people warnings.
There are people who go to prophecy conferences to see when the rapture
is going to take place and listen to all the peaceful prophets
prophesying good news and glad tidings. But if we'll listen to God, He
is warning us of the times that are coming. We need to prepare.

"There will be an interim of probably just days from the time they
launch the RED List, to the declaration of martial law when they'll
start coming after those on the BLUE List. It'll work the same way it
did with the Nazis who had a list of people to pick up, on June 30,
1934, before they declared their 'mobilization.'

"It's the same blueprint being used because it's the same spirit leading
the Fourth Reich as led the Third Reich. In Germany, they used trains,
here it will be helicopters and 747s.

"When Hitler was villainizing the Jews, he hired thugs and dressed them
in black uniforms (our whole country is not going to black uniforms). He
was building concentration camps and setting up a transport system. In
this country, they're now in the process of villainizing Christians,
Patriots, Constitutionalists, and outspoken talk-show hosts, etc.

"Who will be doing the actual picking up? Foreign 'cops' (United Nations
Internal Security Forces). Over 30 foreign military bases under the
United Nations flag are already set up in the US., all with the approval
of special appointees in high Federal positions. These bases are already
manned with over ONE MILLION troops from Russia, Poland, Germany,
Belgium, Turkey, Great Britain, Nicaragua, and Asian countries.

"Why are they here? Because unlike our own troops many of which along
with the Guard and Reserve of 24 states are being deployed overseas will
have no qualms about firing on U.S. citizens when the time comes.

"There are more than 2,000 Russian tanks, military trucks and chemical
warfare vehicles just outside Gulfport, Mississippi. They began arriving
in January of 1994.

"There are 180 foreign troops at Fort Reilly which was confirmed to me
by a Brigadier General. There are 300 who came into the Birmingham,
Alabama airport on a big white Russian cargo plane on December 13, 1995.

"As of 1995, there were 10,000 plus foreign troops at Fort Chafee,
Arkansas reportedly making preparations for 20,000 'detainees.'

"Also in 1995 at Fort Polk, Louisiana (U.S. Army Post), Russian and
Eastern European troops were deployed under the U.N. flag. [When
questioned about this, the legislative aide of the congressman who
resides over Fort Polk, stated, "Yes, they were there undertaking broad,
joint training exercises. And, yes, the U.N. flag was flying. There may
still be some there today."]

"At the Aberdeen Proving Grounds, there are many Russian tanks. One of
the NCOs told his father that he'd been maintaining them.

"This is going on all over the country. German troops are known to be at
Holloman Air Force Base in New Mexico, Wright-Patterson Air Force Base
in Ohio, and Fort Hood, Texas. Chinese troops are known to be at the
Long Beach Naval Station in California.

"There's not going to be some future event when the invading troops are
going to show up. They're already here. When martial law is implemented,
these foreign U.N. troops will be policing our country, carrying out the
plans of the New World Order.

"God is warning His people. There isn't much time before these events
begin to take place. God's people need to prepare themselves in every
way possible. It's not a time for fear. It's a time for prayer,
preparation and sharing our faith with a lost world.

"We must always remember Ephesians 6:12 which states: 'For we wrestle
not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers,
against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual
wickedness in high places.'"

From American Patriot Friends Network

9-22-98

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[Rolavine]

And asked to pay for your lack of critical thinking.

You made a man president who looked you straight in the eye and said "75% of Al
Qaida Leaders have been captured or killed". Do you think supporting that kind
of idiocy is cheap?

 

[Bradley1234]

"thinking"?

So is critical thinking 'to you' actually another way of saying socialism or
Cuban communism? Lets be critical thinkers, in other words, communists.

Right, how dare us republicans stand up for justice, where folks like you
Rolavine want to empower terrorism? All you have to do is surrender freedom
and the right to stay alive and you can have your socialist/communist
utopia.

You people Rolavine, love Al Queda because it takes a hardline stance
attacking Christianity to the death and installing totalitarianism, killing
anyone who wont convert and be a slave to it.. If Christianity invaded
countries, killed their leaders and demanded the people convert to
Christianity or die? you liberals would then find something you liked about
Christianity. But since Christianity is about freedom, love, compassion and
justice? its your mortal enemy

I couldnt call you "democrat" in the traditional sense, the democrat party
of today is so different from what it was, it should be renamed. Its now
the abortion first, euthanasia (forced or otherwise) second, and atheism and
immorality empowering party that wants YOU. You people would deal with Al
Queda how? By giving them lots of cash$ and power in the socialist ranks, in
exchange for them to just be nice.

"Rolavine" <rolavine@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20050124134030.04802.00000222@mb-m25.aol.com...

And asked to pay for your lack of critical thinking.

You made a man president who looked you straight in the eye and said "75%
of Al
Qaida Leaders have been captured or killed". Do you think supporting that
kind
of idiocy is cheap?

 

[Richard the Dreaded Liber]

On Mon, 24 Jan 2005 19:15:49 +0000, Bradley1234 wrote:

"thinking"?

So is critical thinking 'to you' actually another way of saying socialism or
Cuban communism? Lets be critical thinkers, in other words, communists.

No, that is neither what he said, nor what it means.

But your reaction is noted.

Thanks for giving another example.

Good Luck!
Rich

 

[Rolavine]

From: "Bradley1234" someone@yahoo.com

"thinking"?

So is critical thinking 'to you' actually another way of saying socialism or
Cuban communism? Lets be critical thinkers, in other words, communists.

Right, how dare us republicans stand up for justice, where folks like you
Rolavine want to empower terrorism? All you have to do is surrender freedom
and the right to stay alive and you can have your socialist/communist
utopia.

You people Rolavine, love Al Queda because it takes a hardline stance
attacking Christianity to the death and installing totalitarianism, killing
anyone who wont convert and be a slave to it.. If Christianity invaded
countries, killed their leaders and demanded the people convert to
Christianity or die? you liberals would then find something you liked about
Christianity. But since Christianity is about freedom, love, compassion and
justice? its your mortal enemy

I couldnt call you "democrat" in the traditional sense, the democrat party
of today is so different from what it was, it should be renamed. Its now
the abortion first, euthanasia (forced or otherwise) second, and atheism and
immorality empowering party that wants YOU. You people would deal with Al
Queda how? By giving them lots of cash$ and power in the socialist ranks, in
exchange for them to just be nice.

"Rolavine" <rolavine@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20050124134030.04802.00000222@mb-m25.aol.com...
And asked to pay for your lack of critical thinking.

You made a man president who looked you straight in the eye and said "75%
of Al
Qaida Leaders have been captured or killed". Do you think supporting that
kind
of idiocy is cheap?

What I said was simple truth. In response you expose the inner texture of your
tortured mind, a place where perceptions are elevated to the status of great
truths, and your certainty of this swamp never needs to be checked against
reality. You sir are that most unstable of systems but let me give you some
badly needed negative feedback, YOUR TOTALLY FULL OF SHIT! Now go fix your
sorry ass, this is a place for men, not bozos.

Rocky

 

[Chris Carlen]

Rolavine wrote:

From: "Bradley1234" someone@yahoo.com


"thinking"?

So is critical thinking 'to you' actually another way of saying socialism or
Cuban communism? Lets be critical thinkers, in other words, communists.

Right, how dare us republicans stand up for justice, where folks like you
Rolavine want to empower terrorism? All you have to do is surrender freedom
and the right to stay alive and you can have your socialist/communist
utopia.

You people Rolavine, love Al Queda because it takes a hardline stance
attacking Christianity to the death and installing totalitarianism, killing
anyone who wont convert and be a slave to it.. If Christianity invaded
countries, killed their leaders and demanded the people convert to
Christianity or die? you liberals would then find something you liked about
Christianity. But since Christianity is about freedom, love, compassion and
justice? its your mortal enemy

I couldnt call you "democrat" in the traditional sense, the democrat party
of today is so different from what it was, it should be renamed. Its now
the abortion first, euthanasia (forced or otherwise) second, and atheism and
immorality empowering party that wants YOU. You people would deal with Al
Queda how? By giving them lots of cash$ and power in the socialist ranks, in
exchange for them to just be nice.

"Rolavine" <rolavine@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20050124134030.04802.00000222@mb-m25.aol.com...

And asked to pay for your lack of critical thinking.

You made a man president who looked you straight in the eye and said "75%

of Al

Qaida Leaders have been captured or killed". Do you think supporting that

kind

of idiocy is cheap?



What I said was simple truth. In response you expose the inner texture of your
tortured mind, a place where perceptions are elevated to the status of great
truths, and your certainty of this swamp never needs to be checked against
reality. You sir are that most unstable of systems but let me give you some
badly needed negative feedback, YOUR TOTALLY FULL OF SHIT! Now go fix your
sorry ass, this is a place for men, not bozos.

Rocky

In response you expose the inner texture of your tortured mind...



--
_______________________________________________________________________
Christopher R. Carlen
Principal Laser/Optical Technologist
Sandia National Laboratories CA USA
crcarle@sandia.gov -- NOTE: Remove "BOGUS" from email address to reply.

 

[Bradley1234]

Not brainwashed, just informed about history, linking the inexplainable to
behaviors of others who said/did similar things.

Who would possibly be opposed to the war in Iraq?

1. People who are ignorant, not taking the time to analyze events, who just
believe the first 3 minutes of network news, or whatever the NY times tells
them to believe.

The NY times, cbs and other socialist agenda types have wanted to rule the
US by illegitimate power, controlling the news/media to influence opinion,
then appoint certain people to run for office as the solution, keeping them
in secret power. Its been the way it works for decades.

2. People who are blatantly socialist, intellectual 'types' who will NEVER
say Marxism out loud, but promote all main concepts of a Marxist/Lenninist
state, including the opposition of free speech, including a solid wall to
prevent the people from engaging in any discussion of the use of military
force, like Iraq, to promote class warfare where the left says: The rich
dont pay enough taxes, we want to take their money and give it to the poor;
(Thats Marxism ), And while there is a desire for egalitarianism? Thats a
ruse to trap the hippie liberal types who will never study details, into
following along.

So you got the folks hating the war either because they want
totalitarianism, or they are al Queda members, or they are ignorant of the
facts and of history.

Choose.

With the level of response, it seems the originator is in category 2

I paid attention to the rhetoric of the left, you know, the left that
nominated John F Kennedy, I mean Kerry? (they needed every trick to make
him seem okay).

And I say all of this because the left invited billionaire atheist George
Soros to spend his fortune to get Kerry elected, Soros is an outspoken
socialist, even the militant variety (Marxist) So the left, starting from
the top, presidential candidate Kerry, close advisor Ted (hiccup) Kennedy,
who is also an outspoken socialist, its not name calling, thats what he is;
Kennedy would obviously have been given a cabinet position; Then you have
many secret operatives who are tied to moveon.org and the world workers
party (outspoken militant communists) who are all working together.

Now, thats clearly a socialist, and to simplify, Marxist agenda for the
United States, why do you think Im making this up?

They have, the Kerry side and the left-controlled media outlets, have been
lying about the Iraq war the whole time, its no wonder people are confused,
frightened and want the US military to withdraw. They hear CBS saying the
same thing Al Jazzera says (al jazzera is an Arabic tv station thats pro-al
queda), but when CBS or CNN is exposed, caught lying? When the NY Times is
caught lying, they close their doors for the first time in 100+ years to
reorganize? when reporter Peter Arnett is fired for lying? Where are you to
say 'this is truth'?

So I simply point out facts about socialists in the Kerry campaign, and the
driving force behind the anti war campaign not being based on facts,
reasoning or truth? And look what the response is? silence! how dare you
expose our evil plot! liar!

Want to give rational reasons why the war in Iraq was a bad thing????
please do.




"Frank Bemelman" <f.bemelmanq@xs4all.invalid.nl> wrote in message
news:41f676f2$0$12524$e4fe514c@news.xs4all.nl...

"Bradley1234" <someone@yahoo.com> schreef in bericht
news:gzuJd.10551$CI6.8597@trnddc06...

What (you and the left) seem to be saying is that we need to convert the
USA
into a Marxist socialist regime where the "state" controls all of the
public

Not only brainwashed, but also shoving other words into
people's mouths. I don't need that. PLONK!

--
Thanks, Frank.
(remove 'q' and 'invalid' when replying by email)

 

[Chris Carlen]

Bradley1234 wrote:

Not brainwashed, just informed about history, linking the inexplainable to
behaviors of others who said/did similar things.

Who would possibly be opposed to the war in Iraq?

Non-morons?


--
_______________________________________________________________________
Christopher R. Carlen
Principal Laser/Optical Technologist
Sandia National Laboratories CA USA
crcarle@sandia.gov -- NOTE: Remove "BOGUS" from email address to reply.

 

[Bradley1234]

Then what is your opinion?

The war in Iraq is bad because....


"Chris Carlen" <crcarle@BOGUS.sandia.gov> wrote in message
news:ct683k01l5v@news1.newsguy.com...

Bradley1234 wrote:
So, if I understand you, morons would be in favor of the war in Iraq?


No, morons might be opposed as well.


--
_______________________________________________________________________
Christopher R. Carlen
Principal Laser/Optical Technologist
Sandia National Laboratories CA USA
crcarle@sandia.gov -- NOTE: Remove "BOGUS" from email address to reply.

 

[Richard the Dreaded Liber]

On Tue, 25 Jan 2005 16:35:24 +0000, Bradley1234 wrote:

Its "you're" not your, but I pointed out how at least 99% of the anti
American or blame America first liberal anti-war wacko folks are talking.

Truth? What do you think the truth is?

There is philosophical truth where folks sit around and ponder stuff and
try to actually derive what truth is,

OR

There is the "truth" of people like Karl Marx (Marxist-socialist) which
you seem to know a lot about; The democrats and the anti war types who
violently oppose president Bush are, incredibly, spouting Marxist rhetoric
as their (and your) reasons to oppose the Iraq war.

... you expose the inner texture
of
your
tortured mind,

You, too!

Thanks for another example!

Rich

 

[Richard the Dreaded Liber]

On Tue, 25 Jan 2005 19:36:30 +0000, Bradley1234 wrote:

So, if I understand you, morons would be in favor of the war in Iraq?

Well, that does pretty much fit in with observable facts.

Cheers!
Rich

 

[Bradley1234]

Right, so on one side, anyone who believes in justice and fairness is a
moron?

For terrorists to attack the USA like on 911, thats somehow okay in your
book? Is there nothing you would ever do to defend the USA? all war is bad?




"Richard the Dreaded Libertarian" <eatmyshorts@doubleclick.net> wrote in
message newsan.2005.01.25.21.38.32.539802@doubleclick.net...

On Tue, 25 Jan 2005 19:36:30 +0000, Bradley1234 wrote:

So, if I understand you, morons would be in favor of the war in Iraq?

Well, that does pretty much fit in with observable facts.

Cheers!
Rich

 

[David Grant]

For terrorists to attack the USA like on 911, thats somehow okay in your
book? Is there nothing you would ever do to defend the USA? all war is
bad?

9/11 was in no way good. I doubt many people are actually arguing that. But
consider below:

Being that this is an electronics newsgroup I'm assuming familiarity with
the log scale.

Let's define a first magnitude disaster as something that kills half the
world's population (~3 mil). The return of the Black Death, or a nuclear war
could achieve this. Divide by 10 and a second magnitude disaster would be
something like AIDS (potentially), or a third world war without nuclear
warfare. Third magnitude disasters would be WWI, WWII, and the Spanish
influenza breakout of 1918. Fourth magnitude would be the Vietnam war and
the slaughter in the Great Lakes region of Africa. Another division by ten,
Fifth magnitude disasters would be the Yugoslavian war in the 90s, or the
number of deaths due to famine each year in Ethiopia. Sixth magnitude would
be the Israeli-Arab war of 1967. 9/11 was a seventh order disaster by this
scale. More people die per month by gunshot wounds in the US than died in
9/11. Terrorism is simply an over-hyped threat, and is not a concern worthy
of very much attention. There are much more pressing issues we should be
spending our time on.

 

[Spehro Pefhany]

On Tue, 25 Jan 2005 20:40:52 -0500, the renowned "David Grant"
<NO_SPAM_PLEASE_jmd_2003@msn.com> wrote:

For terrorists to attack the USA like on 911, thats somehow okay in your
book? Is there nothing you would ever do to defend the USA? all war is
bad?

9/11 was in no way good. I doubt many people are actually arguing that. But
consider below:

Being that this is an electronics newsgroup I'm assuming familiarity with
the log scale.

Let's define a first magnitude disaster as something that kills half the
world's population (~3 mil). The return of the Black Death, or a nuclear war
could achieve this. Divide by 10 and a second magnitude disaster would be
something like AIDS (potentially), or a third world war without nuclear
warfare. Third magnitude disasters would be WWI, WWII, and the Spanish
influenza breakout of 1918. Fourth magnitude would be the Vietnam war and
the slaughter in the Great Lakes region of Africa. Another division by ten,
Fifth magnitude disasters would be the Yugoslavian war in the 90s, or the
number of deaths due to famine each year in Ethiopia. Sixth magnitude would
be the Israeli-Arab war of 1967. 9/11 was a seventh order disaster by this
scale. More people die per month by gunshot wounds in the US than died in
9/11. Terrorism is simply an over-hyped threat, and is not a concern worthy
of very much attention. There are much more pressing issues we should be
spending our time on.

The bird flu currently incubating in northern Vietnam, Thailand (and
perhaps soon southwest China) has a good potential to kill as many in
the West as an all-out nuclear war. They've already culled over 40
million birds to try to stop it. But it will leave the physical
assets, so it may be good for at least some businesses.


Best regards,
Spehro Pefhany
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