Dell Sux. Read ON....

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Hi,

I don't understand why DELL is unwilling to sell AMD64 products. Steve
Felice, VP @ DELl says their is no customers demand for AMD64. Suck to
be Steve. From various Linux flavors to BSD, the OS rocks on AMD64
macs. I have seen conformance test suite benhcmarks which are better on
AMD64 than on f**ing Itanium.

I feel this is a ridiculous policy @ DELL not to sell AMD products.
Anyone in FTC listening ?

It's just not me, Linus Trovalds blasted INTEL folks on one of his 64
bit porting groups with "F" word.

Sorry but I am frustrated by this attitude of DELL and will post this
message on multiple newsgroups.

Thanks.
 
On Sat, 26 Feb 2005 19:12:32 -0800, codefixer wrote:

Bad place to rant, but the fact is that Dell only does Intel. Get used
to it. ...and take your business elsewhere.

--
Keith
 
On 26 Feb 2005 19:12:32 -0800, codefixer@gmail.com wrote:

Hi,

I don't understand why DELL is unwilling to sell AMD64 products. Steve
Felice, VP @ DELl says their is no customers demand for AMD64. Suck to
be Steve. From various Linux flavors to BSD, the OS rocks on AMD64
macs. I have seen conformance test suite benhcmarks which are better on
AMD64 than on f**ing Itanium.

I feel this is a ridiculous policy @ DELL not to sell AMD products.
Anyone in FTC listening ?

It's just not me, Linus Trovalds blasted INTEL folks on one of his 64
bit porting groups with "F" word.

Sorry but I am frustrated by this attitude of DELL and will post this
message on multiple newsgroups.

Thanks.
Click to expand...

Except that their PCs are really good. I just bought two identical
Dells: dual hard drives, DVD burner, P4, tons of RAM, XP and Office
(ugh), about $1200 each. Plus each one came with a gorgeous huge
highres LCD monitor for $100 more. The keyboard and mouse feel really
nice. The mechanical and electrical packaging are beautiful. The heat
pipes and cooling - three fans total, but quiet - are slick.

John
 
FTC? Are you nuts? Next you will want the Chevy dealer to sell Hondas.
It is their RIGHT to sell whatever they want (that is legal). If
everybody decides they want AMD, either Dell will change their policy
or go out of business. I have a Dell at work and personally I wouldn't
(and don't) have one but that is MY quirk. And I have THAT right. You
can get all the AMD machines you want, just not from Dell.
GG
 
On Sat, 26 Feb 2005 22:28:42 -0500, keith <krw@att.bizzzz> wrote:

On Sat, 26 Feb 2005 19:12:32 -0800, codefixer wrote:

Bad place to rant, but the fact is that Dell only does Intel. Get used
to it. ...and take your business elsewhere.
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PC-Club does AMD

...Jim Thompson
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| Analog Innovations, Inc. | et |
| Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems | manus |
| Phoenix, Arizona Voice:(480)460-2350 | |
| E-mail Address at Website Fax:(480)460-2142 | Brass Rat |
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I love to cook with wine. Sometimes I even put it in the food.
 
codefixer@gmail.com wrote:

Hi,

I don't understand why DELL is unwilling to sell AMD64 products. Steve
Felice, VP @ DELl says their is no customers demand for AMD64. Suck to
be Steve. From various Linux flavors to BSD, the OS rocks on AMD64
macs. I have seen conformance test suite benhcmarks which are better on
AMD64 than on f**ing Itanium.

I feel this is a ridiculous policy @ DELL not to sell AMD products.
Anyone in FTC listening ?
Click to expand...
There is one good reason: Computers based on AMD processors are less
reliable. More unexplainable errors, system hangups. We had several
(different) AMD based systems in the office which all had strange
quirks. It is not all about speed, in a professional environment
(Dell's primary market) you want reliability above all.

--
Reply to nico@nctdevpuntnl (punt=.)
Bedrijven en winkels vindt U op www.adresboekje.nl
 
On Sun, 27 Feb 2005 09:19:53 GMT, nico@puntnl.niks (Nico Coesel)
wrote:

codefixer@gmail.com wrote:

Hi,

I don't understand why DELL is unwilling to sell AMD64 products. Steve
Felice, VP @ DELl says their is no customers demand for AMD64. Suck to
be Steve. From various Linux flavors to BSD, the OS rocks on AMD64
macs. I have seen conformance test suite benhcmarks which are better on
AMD64 than on f**ing Itanium.

I feel this is a ridiculous policy @ DELL not to sell AMD products.
Anyone in FTC listening ?

There is one good reason: Computers based on AMD processors are less
reliable. More unexplainable errors, system hangups. We had several
(different) AMD based systems in the office which all had strange
quirks. It is not all about speed, in a professional environment
(Dell's primary market) you want reliability above all.
Click to expand...
BS! What brand of motherboard? That's what matters.

What is your idea of "professional environment"? Secretaries pounding
out Word documents ?:)

In number crunching environments, such as circuit simulators, AMD
processors run rings around Intel P4's.

...Jim Thompson
--
| James E.Thompson, P.E. | mens |
| Analog Innovations, Inc. | et |
| Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems | manus |
| Phoenix, Arizona Voice:(480)460-2350 | |
| E-mail Address at Website Fax:(480)460-2142 | Brass Rat |
| http://www.analog-innovations.com | 1962 |

I love to cook with wine. Sometimes I even put it in the food.
 
On Sun, 27 Feb 2005 08:28:15 -0700, Jim Thompson wrote:

On Sun, 27 Feb 2005 09:19:53 GMT, nico@puntnl.niks (Nico Coesel)
wrote:

codefixer@gmail.com wrote:

Hi,

I don't understand why DELL is unwilling to sell AMD64 products. Steve
Felice, VP @ DELl says their is no customers demand for AMD64. Suck to
be Steve. From various Linux flavors to BSD, the OS rocks on AMD64
macs. I have seen conformance test suite benhcmarks which are better on
AMD64 than on f**ing Itanium.

I feel this is a ridiculous policy @ DELL not to sell AMD products.
Anyone in FTC listening ?

There is one good reason: Computers based on AMD processors are less
reliable. More unexplainable errors, system hangups. We had several
(different) AMD based systems in the office which all had strange
quirks. It is not all about speed, in a professional environment
(Dell's primary market) you want reliability above all.

BS! What brand of motherboard? That's what matters.

What is your idea of "professional environment"? Secretaries pounding
out Word documents ?:)
Click to expand...
No. Just pounding secrataries. Do it for cash and it's professional.
In number crunching environments, such as circuit simulators, AMD
processors run rings around Intel P4's.
Click to expand...
I've never heard anything bad about AMD. Intel, OTOH...

Some co I wrote code for has a Dell acct. Every time they buy a new
server, they have to throw a new kybd on the pile 'cause dell
can't/won't not send one and give them a discount. Kinda like PA not
taking back the medicare overpayments.

And they fired the Dell Dude. "Dude, you're getting a cell!"

He should've had a Bob Barker style contract, speaking of pounding p
:) Same with one of our morning weather dudes on the news but for a
different reason. The old ladies had a gag order put on him because
he had an upbeat personality instead of a stick up his ass like the
"more professional sounding" KBs.
--
Best Regards,
Mike
 
Jim Thompson <thegreatone@example.com> wrote:

On Sun, 27 Feb 2005 09:19:53 GMT, nico@puntnl.niks (Nico Coesel)
wrote:

codefixer@gmail.com wrote:

Hi,

I don't understand why DELL is unwilling to sell AMD64 products. Steve
Felice, VP @ DELl says their is no customers demand for AMD64. Suck to
be Steve. From various Linux flavors to BSD, the OS rocks on AMD64
macs. I have seen conformance test suite benhcmarks which are better on
AMD64 than on f**ing Itanium.

I feel this is a ridiculous policy @ DELL not to sell AMD products.
Anyone in FTC listening ?

There is one good reason: Computers based on AMD processors are less
reliable. More unexplainable errors, system hangups. We had several
(different) AMD based systems in the office which all had strange
quirks. It is not all about speed, in a professional environment
(Dell's primary market) you want reliability above all.

BS! What brand of motherboard? That's what matters.
Click to expand...
You are probably right. When I was still in business selling &
reparing PC's to earn some extra money during my study, I quickly
learned to stay away from AMD based machines. Impossible to make the
customer happy unless replaced by an Intel based machine. Recent
experiences in the office (all AMD machine replaced) learned me that
nowadays it is still the same. I have no doubt AMD can make a good CPU
(altough they are closer to edge when it comes to the thermal design)
but I suppose chipset manufacturors are pushing the edge too much.

What is your idea of "professional environment"? Secretaries pounding
out Word documents ?:)
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Secretaries usually cost money. To keep TCO low, make sure they use
the best equipment. Office staff with unreliable computer systems is
very unproductive.

--
Reply to nico@nctdevpuntnl (punt=.)
Bedrijven en winkels vindt U op www.adresboekje.nl
 
Mark Jones <abuse@127.0.0.1> wrote:

Nico Coesel wrote:
codefixer@gmail.com wrote:


Hi,

I don't understand why DELL is unwilling to sell AMD64 products. Steve
Felice, VP @ DELl says their is no customers demand for AMD64. Suck to
be Steve. From various Linux flavors to BSD, the OS rocks on AMD64
macs. I have seen conformance test suite benhcmarks which are better on
AMD64 than on f**ing Itanium.

I feel this is a ridiculous policy @ DELL not to sell AMD products.
Anyone in FTC listening ?


There is one good reason: Computers based on AMD processors are less
reliable. More unexplainable errors, system hangups. We had several
(different) AMD based systems in the office which all had strange
quirks. It is not all about speed, in a professional environment
(Dell's primary market) you want reliability above all.


What *are* you saying?

Perhaps in 1991 AMD's chips were flaky... but nowadays, they're right up there
with the other competitors. AthlonXP, system uptime - 18d/4h/36m - and the last
reboot was voluntary. Maybe its time to upgrade from Win95?

And why would anyone here want to buy a Dell anyways? Aren't we smarter than
that? It's cheaper just to roll your own. AMD all the way, baby!
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See my answer to Jim. Why buy Dell or HP? I give you a good answer:
Every Dell system I purchased ranging from $500 to $9000 per piece
worked right out of the box and stayed rock solid, no problems with
drivers. Same goes for HP (only Dell is easier to order).
If you have time or want to tinker around, roll your own PC.
Otherwise, buy something decent like a Dell or a HP (Compaq) based on
Intel and at least 'workstation' class.

--
Reply to nico@nctdevpuntnl (punt=.)
Bedrijven en winkels vindt U op www.adresboekje.nl
 
Chris Carlen wrote:
But I've never had instability. Just one mobo that couldn't do DMA to
the HDs under Linux.
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We have one of the (highly recommended at the time) Gigabyte dual-Athlon
mobos, and no-one uses it because it doesn't keep running for more than
two days (Windows 2000 Server or Debian Linux with a 2.6 kernel), and
because with 8 fans it sounds like a jet taking off in a quiet office.
I was glad when my new Dell box came, and even more glad that it has a
concealed power switch - I can't hear whether it's turned on. I bought
one for home as well :).

Clifford.
 
keith <krw@att.bizzzz> wrote:

On Sun, 27 Feb 2005 09:19:53 +0000, Nico Coesel wrote:

codefixer@gmail.com wrote:

Hi,

I don't understand why DELL is unwilling to sell AMD64 products. Steve
Felice, VP @ DELl says their is no customers demand for AMD64. Suck to
be Steve. From various Linux flavors to BSD, the OS rocks on AMD64
macs. I have seen conformance test suite benhcmarks which are better on
AMD64 than on f**ing Itanium.

I feel this is a ridiculous policy @ DELL not to sell AMD products.
Anyone in FTC listening ?

There is one good reason: Computers based on AMD processors are less
reliable.

Horse shit! Not likely! Even when they were competators I was impressed
with their designs. My Win-machine is a K6-III, and this one is an
Opteron.

More unexplainable errors, system hangups.

...and you're still running WinBlows? If you're having any problem with
an AMD system it's likely becasue you bought a crap board, like PCChips.
FWIW, Intel systems aren't woth shit on shit boards either. Spent a
couple of bucks and buy a better *system*.
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Do you call Asus crap?

We had several
(different) AMD based systems in the office which all had strange
quirks. It is not all about speed, in a professional environment
(Dell's primary market) you want reliability above all.

Nonsense. If you want good, buy good. There is nothing about Dells (at
least the home systems) that could remotely qualify as "good". Build it
yourself, outta AMD processors. Intel has lost it.
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Home systems are always crap, whatever brand you buy. I've made quite
some money with replacing inferior parts in home systems. If you want
to buy a home system, don't buy a home system but a workstation.

--
Reply to nico@nctdevpuntnl (punt=.)
Bedrijven en winkels vindt U op www.adresboekje.nl
 
On 28 Feb 2005 15:24:00 -0800, "Glenn Gundlach"
<stratus46@yahoo.com> wrote:

This has been bothering me for a few days. On the one hand, you seem to
like/want a Dell computer because its a good machine. On the other hand
you don't like their choice of processor since you presume to know
better than the engineers who made the good machine. So which is it?
You like it or don't like it? Pass the Advil, I'm getting a headache.
GG
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I am fairly sure, from my past experience, that the engineers at
Dell have no say on the matter.
 
Mark Jones wrote:
Nico Coesel wrote:

codefixer@gmail.com wrote:



Hi,

I don't understand why DELL is unwilling to sell AMD64 products. Steve
Felice, VP @ DELl says their is no customers demand for AMD64. Suck to
be Steve. From various Linux flavors to BSD, the OS rocks on AMD64
macs. I have seen conformance test suite benhcmarks which are better on
AMD64 than on f**ing Itanium.

I feel this is a ridiculous policy @ DELL not to sell AMD products.
Anyone in FTC listening ?


There is one good reason: Computers based on AMD processors are less
reliable. More unexplainable errors, system hangups. We had several
(different) AMD based systems in the office which all had strange
quirks. It is not all about speed, in a professional environment
(Dell's primary market) you want reliability above all.



What *are* you saying?

Perhaps in 1991 AMD's chips were flaky... but nowadays, they're right up there
with the other competitors. AthlonXP, system uptime - 18d/4h/36m - and the last
reboot was voluntary. Maybe its time to upgrade from Win95?
Click to expand...
What has been a problem, is motherboard chipsets that go along with AMD
CPUs.

But I've never had instability. Just one mobo that couldn't do DMA to
the HDs under Linux.


Good day!

--
_____________________
Christopher R. Carlen
crobc@bogus-remove-me.sbcglobal.net
SuSE 9.1 Linux 2.6.5
 
codefixer@gmail.com wrote:
Hi,

I don't understand why DELL is unwilling to sell AMD64 products.
Steve
Felice, VP @ DELl says their is no customers demand for AMD64. Suck
to
be Steve. From various Linux flavors to BSD, the OS rocks on AMD64
macs. I have seen conformance test suite benhcmarks which are better
on
AMD64 than on f**ing Itanium.

I feel this is a ridiculous policy @ DELL not to sell AMD products.
Anyone in FTC listening ?

It's just not me, Linus Trovalds blasted INTEL folks on one of his 64
bit porting groups with "F" word.

Sorry but I am frustrated by this attitude of DELL and will post this
message on multiple newsgroups.

Thanks.
Click to expand...
This has been bothering me for a few days. On the one hand, you seem to
like/want a Dell computer because its a good machine. On the other hand
you don't like their choice of processor since you presume to know
better than the engineers who made the good machine. So which is it?
You like it or don't like it? Pass the Advil, I'm getting a headache.
GG
 
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