Decline of E+WW

[Kryten]

"Rich The Philosophizer" <rtp@example.net> wrote in message
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On Thu, 06 Jan 2005 02:56:01 +0000, Kryten wrote:

If God existed and wanted to tell people something, surely he could do a
direct broadcast into our heads and not need those nutters as some kind
of
magic meat sock puppets...

He is, and has been since before you were even conceived.

When do you plan to start listening?

If I start hearing voices in my head, I'll see a doctor/psychiatrist.

Something you should do instead of posting your pseudo mystic babble here.

We don't put electronics posts into religious newsgroups,
So don't put religious posts into electronics newsgroups.

 

[Dirk Bruere at Neopax]

Kryten wrote:

"Rich The Philosophizer" <rtp@example.net> wrote in message
newsan.2005.01.06.06.50.26.743997@example.net...

On Thu, 06 Jan 2005 02:56:01 +0000, Kryten wrote:


If God existed and wanted to tell people something, surely he could do a
direct broadcast into our heads and not need those nutters as some kind
of
magic meat sock puppets...

He is, and has been since before you were even conceived.

When do you plan to start listening?


If I start hearing voices in my head, I'll see a doctor/psychiatrist.

Something you should do instead of posting your pseudo mystic babble here.

We don't put electronics posts into religious newsgroups,

Er... I do occasionally.

So don't put religious posts into electronics newsgroups.

....

--
Dirk

The Consensus:-
The political party for the new millenium
http://www.theconsensus.org

 

[Jonathan Kirwan]

On Fri, 07 Jan 2005 04:23:56 GMT, Rich The Philosophizer <rtp@example.net>
wrote:

If you're not interested in visiting a higher dimensionality,

I'm sure you've been visiting such places, Rich. You are always welcome to tell
us about it.

and learning the answer to pain and suffering, ending said pain and suffering,

Use what works for pain and suffering, Rich. I'd have to be pretty mean
spirited to tell you otherwise.

and introducing eternal life to manifestation,

Uh... sure. Whatever you say, Rich.

then fine. Go ahead and do the
same crap everybody else has done for thousands, maybe millions, of years.

.... that is what you are doing, Rich. I'm not.

It is truly ironic that you should try to suggest that your thinking style is
anything new to humanity. In actual fact, magical thinking like yours is as
ancient as any history we have of humans. In contrast, science thinking is
difficult, unnatural and quite rare on the whole. What you are talking about
may have it's own character to it, but it is hardly anything different from what
has gone before as superstitious behavior in humans since before we have any
history of it.

You dispel science out of hand, claiming you have gone beyond it's reach and
ken. But this is nothing more than your conceit and narcissism.

Jon

 

[Jonathan Kirwan]

On Fri, 07 Jan 2005 19:32:25 GMT, Rich The Philosophizer <rtp@example.net>
wrote:

On Fri, 07 Jan 2005 08:46:03 +0000, Jonathan Kirwan wrote:

It is truly ironic that you should try to suggest that your thinking
style is anything new to humanity. In actual fact, magical thinking
like yours is as ancient as any history we have of humans. In contrast,
science thinking is difficult, unnatural and quite rare on the whole.
What you are talking about may have it's own character to it, but it is
hardly anything different from what has gone before as superstitious
behavior in humans since before we have any history of it.

Well, the point is, this new information that's just been "discovered" is
actually new.

Sure it is. That's what necromancers said, what tea leaf readers said, what
crystal therapists say. So?

Provide affirming evidence that is sufficient for the extraordinary nature of
the claims. Or be ignored.

You dispel science out of hand, claiming you have gone beyond it's reach
and ken. But this is nothing more than your conceit and narcissism.

Pfaugh! Science is cool, as far as it goes. It's unscientific to make
blanket statements that I'm full of shit, just because you're not yet
aware of your own Will Essence.

I am not speaking from a science point of view when I say that. I'm speaking to
you as a person. You are full of shit, Rich. That's clear. And this isn't
science speaking, it's me.

(If you ever bothered to say something that could be falsified, I suppose, and
was objective enough that two different people might come to the same deductions
given the same conditions to analyze -- perhaps then a scientific opinion might
be formed about it.)

I _have_ done the experiment. I've done a _lot_ of experiments. And I'm
reaching a conclusion that there's a communications channel that nobody,
or very few people, are aware of, and there's a perfectly logical reason
for their unawareness, and that's all explained, and each of the
assertions that I've tested experientially has proved out.

Great. And your internal state of mind is yours to claim. As I've said before
and again, many times. You have every right to say anything you want about your
internal state. No one can challenge you, you own it. But don't imagine that
anyone should believe it is about anything else, unless there is affirming
evidence that is consistent and sufficient, given the extraordinary nature of
your internal belief.

I can't make it any simpler than that.

I don't know how to build machines to communicate for you, and I haven't
learned to do any tricks yet, so I'll quit pressuring you and everybody to
read the page and test the assertions. I know it's true, I know it works,
and the only way for anyone else to find out is to learn to feel their own
will. If you don't want to, then OK. It's not my call anyway.

Like I said, you are perfectly able to discuss your own internal state. And
I'll accept whatever you say on that score, without quibble. If it reduces your
pain, then it reduces your pain. If your mind flies through space like a
speeding photon, then your mind flies through space like a speeding photon.

And that's all the further it goes with me.

The shit I'm saying you are full of, takes place when you start making more of
all that. That's where the shit begins, Rich.

Jon

 

[Paul Burke]

John Woodgate wrote:

I'm reminded of an ancient philosopher who argued that we could learn
nothing from the stars because they were so far away and all we had was
the light.

Asimov. of course, meticulously cites the full name of the 'philosopher'
who made the statement, but I can't find the text at present.

Immanuel Kant it was, about 1800.

Paul Burke