Climate change and NYC: Historic rains buckle city\'s infrastructure, again...

[Fred Bloggs]

A severe storm dumped more than 7 inches of rain in less than 24 hours over parts of New York City on Friday, turning streets into fast-moving rivers and grinding subway travel to a halt as water cascaded into underground transit stations.

They might consider the fact the storm water management would work much better if it wasn\'t clogged with trash. Any city that can\'t handle a crummy 1/3 inch per hour is a mismanaged, unkempt mess.

https://www.nbcnews.com/science/environment/nyc-flooding-climate-change-infrastructure-limitations-rcna118170

 

[Anthony William Sloman]

On Sunday, October 1, 2023 at 1:51:37 AM UTC+10, Fred Bloggs wrote:

A severe storm dumped more than 7 inches of rain in less than 24 hours over parts of New York City on Friday, turning streets into fast-moving rivers and grinding subway travel to a halt as water cascaded into underground transit stations.

They might consider the fact the storm water management would work much better if it wasn\'t clogged with trash. Any city that can\'t handle a crummy 1/3 inch per hour is a mismanaged, unkempt mess.

https://www.nbcnews.com/science/environment/nyc-flooding-climate-change-infrastructure-limitations-rcna118170

Exceptionally heavy rain is always unexpected. If it shows up long enough after the last deluge, nobody ever expects it, and they certainly aren\'t going to anticipate it.

Anthropogenic global warming is putting more water vapour into the air, so exceptionally heavy rain is going to show up more often, but we don\'t know exactly when, and the money will get spent on anticipating disasters that show up more frequently.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

[John Larkin]

On Sat, 30 Sep 2023 08:51:32 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
<bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com> wrote:

A severe storm dumped more than 7 inches of rain in less than 24 hours over parts of New York City on Friday, turning streets into fast-moving rivers and grinding subway travel to a halt as water cascaded into underground transit stations.

They might consider the fact the storm water management would work much better if it wasn\'t clogged with trash. Any city that can\'t handle a crummy 1/3 inch per hour is a mismanaged, unkempt mess.

https://www.nbcnews.com/science/environment/nyc-flooding-climate-change-infrastructure-limitations-rcna118170

The flooded streets are well above sea level, and rain happens.

Underground apartments, many illegal, get flooded when trash clogs
street drainage. If you look at the pictures, the horrible street
flooding was mostly ankle deep.

Right, 1/3 inch per hour should be easily drained and pumped away, and
critical systems shouldn\'t be so easily flooded.

New Orleans is lower and flatter than Manhattan and gets more rain
than that, and has managed it for over a century. The great Katrina
flood was also from gross mismanagemt.

 

[Fred Bloggs]

On Saturday, September 30, 2023 at 1:07:15 PM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:

On Sat, 30 Sep 2023 08:51:32 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:

A severe storm dumped more than 7 inches of rain in less than 24 hours over parts of New York City on Friday, turning streets into fast-moving rivers and grinding subway travel to a halt as water cascaded into underground transit stations.

They might consider the fact the storm water management would work much better if it wasn\'t clogged with trash. Any city that can\'t handle a crummy 1/3 inch per hour is a mismanaged, unkempt mess.

https://www.nbcnews.com/science/environment/nyc-flooding-climate-change-infrastructure-limitations-rcna118170
The flooded streets are well above sea level, and rain happens.

Underground apartments, many illegal, get flooded when trash clogs
street drainage. If you look at the pictures, the horrible street
flooding was mostly ankle deep.

Right, 1/3 inch per hour should be easily drained and pumped away, and
critical systems shouldn\'t be so easily flooded.

New Orleans is lower and flatter than Manhattan and gets more rain
than that, and has managed it for over a century. The great Katrina
flood was also from gross mismanagemt.

Some areas had major obstruction of the sanitary sewer system, which caused massive backups and geysers of raw sewage, not storm water but the hard stuff, in the dwellings. That must have been sweet. Obstruction of the main sanitary sewer pipes tells me their system was diverting the over taxed storm water system into it, along with all the drain clogging garbage it carries with it.

 

[Fred Bloggs]

On Saturday, September 30, 2023 at 12:33:15 PM UTC-4, Anthony William Sloman wrote:

On Sunday, October 1, 2023 at 1:51:37 AM UTC+10, Fred Bloggs wrote:
A severe storm dumped more than 7 inches of rain in less than 24 hours over parts of New York City on Friday, turning streets into fast-moving rivers and grinding subway travel to a halt as water cascaded into underground transit stations.

They might consider the fact the storm water management would work much better if it wasn\'t clogged with trash. Any city that can\'t handle a crummy 1/3 inch per hour is a mismanaged, unkempt mess.

https://www.nbcnews.com/science/environment/nyc-flooding-climate-change-infrastructure-limitations-rcna118170
Exceptionally heavy rain is always unexpected. If it shows up long enough after the last deluge, nobody ever expects it, and they certainly aren\'t going to anticipate it.

Anthropogenic global warming is putting more water vapour into the air, so exceptionally heavy rain is going to show up more often, but we don\'t know exactly when, and the money will get spent on anticipating disasters that show up more frequently.

Nah- they\'re screaming climate change so they can tap into some of that easy Inflation Reduction Act money. It\'s a ripoff.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

[John Larkin]

On Sat, 30 Sep 2023 16:41:37 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
<bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com> wrote:

On Saturday, September 30, 2023 at 1:07:15?PM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:
On Sat, 30 Sep 2023 08:51:32 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:

A severe storm dumped more than 7 inches of rain in less than 24 hours over parts of New York City on Friday, turning streets into fast-moving rivers and grinding subway travel to a halt as water cascaded into underground transit stations.

They might consider the fact the storm water management would work much better if it wasn\'t clogged with trash. Any city that can\'t handle a crummy 1/3 inch per hour is a mismanaged, unkempt mess.

https://www.nbcnews.com/science/environment/nyc-flooding-climate-change-infrastructure-limitations-rcna118170
The flooded streets are well above sea level, and rain happens.

Underground apartments, many illegal, get flooded when trash clogs
street drainage. If you look at the pictures, the horrible street
flooding was mostly ankle deep.

Right, 1/3 inch per hour should be easily drained and pumped away, and
critical systems shouldn\'t be so easily flooded.

New Orleans is lower and flatter than Manhattan and gets more rain
than that, and has managed it for over a century. The great Katrina
flood was also from gross mismanagemt.

Some areas had major obstruction of the sanitary sewer system, which caused massive backups and geysers of raw sewage, not storm water but the hard stuff, in the dwellings. That must have been sweet. Obstruction of the main sanitary sewer pipes tells me their system was diverting the over taxed storm water system into it, along with all the drain clogging garbage it carries with it.

San Francisco has a single drainage system, sewage and street runoff
in the same pipes. A few low-level neighborhoods (like Folsom near
17th Street, and the end of Cayuga Ave near here) get flooded and it\'s
Not Nice.

We have a gigantic wastewater processing plant. The tour is cool.

 

[Anthony William Sloman]

On Sunday, October 1, 2023 at 10:43:21 AM UTC+11, Fred Bloggs wrote:

On Saturday, September 30, 2023 at 12:33:15 PM UTC-4, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
On Sunday, October 1, 2023 at 1:51:37 AM UTC+10, Fred Bloggs wrote:
A severe storm dumped more than 7 inches of rain in less than 24 hours over parts of New York City on Friday, turning streets into fast-moving rivers and grinding subway travel to a halt as water cascaded into underground transit stations.

They might consider the fact the storm water management would work much better if it wasn\'t clogged with trash. Any city that can\'t handle a crummy 1/3 inch per hour is a mismanaged, unkempt mess.

https://www.nbcnews.com/science/environment/nyc-flooding-climate-change-infrastructure-limitations-rcna118170
Exceptionally heavy rain is always unexpected. If it shows up long enough after the last deluge, nobody ever expects it, and they certainly aren\'t going to anticipate it.

Anthropogenic global warming is putting more water vapour into the air, so exceptionally heavy rain is going to show up more often, but we don\'t know exactly when, and the money will get spent on anticipating disasters that show up more frequently.

Nah- they\'re screaming climate change so they can tap into some of that easy Inflation Reduction Act money. It\'s a ripoff.

Scarcely. Climate charge is real, and upgrading the city\'s infrastructure to cope with it consequences is a perfectly legitimate activity.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

[Anthony William Sloman]

On Sunday, October 1, 2023 at 1:17:54 PM UTC+11, John Larkin wrote:

On Sat, 30 Sep 2023 16:41:37 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Saturday, September 30, 2023 at 1:07:15?PM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:
On Sat, 30 Sep 2023 08:51:32 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:

A severe storm dumped more than 7 inches of rain in less than 24 hours over parts of New York City on Friday, turning streets into fast-moving rivers and grinding subway travel to a halt as water cascaded into underground transit stations.

They might consider the fact the storm water management would work much better if it wasn\'t clogged with trash. Any city that can\'t handle a crummy 1/3 inch per hour is a mismanaged, unkempt mess.

https://www.nbcnews.com/science/environment/nyc-flooding-climate-change-infrastructure-limitations-rcna118170
The flooded streets are well above sea level, and rain happens.

Underground apartments, many illegal, get flooded when trash clogs street drainage. If you look at the pictures, the horrible street flooding was mostly ankle deep.

Right, 1/3 inch per hour should be easily drained and pumped away, and critical systems shouldn\'t be so easily flooded.

New Orleans is lower and flatter than Manhattan and gets more rain than that, and has managed it for over a century. The great Katrina flood was also from gross mismanagemt.

Some areas had major obstruction of the sanitary sewer system, which caused massive backups and geysers of raw sewage, not storm water but the hard stuff, in the dwellings. That must have been sweet. Obstruction of the main sanitary sewer pipes tells me their system was diverting the over taxed storm water system into it, along with all the drain clogging garbage it carries with it.

San Francisco has a single drainage system, sewage and street runoff in the same pipes. A few low-level neighborhoods (like Folsom near 17th Street, and the end of Cayuga Ave near here) get flooded and it\'s Not Nice.

So did Sydney until recently. For a couple of years our our streets were being dug up while they split the system into separate storm drains and sewer pipe.

Our apartment is at the top of a hill so we didn\'t suffer from the occasional tropical downpour dumping sewage into the harbour near us, but now nobody else does either.

> We have a gigantic wastewater processing plant. The tour is cool.

Most modern cities do. My father made some money out of designing sewage lagoons, which deal with smaller scale problems - country towns and attabatoirs. They need a lot more area per kilogram of waste, but a whole lot less energy.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waste_stabilization_pond

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney