CDROM spindle motors really are stepper motors too

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fritz

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There is no fundamental difference between what is called
a 'stepper motor' and a 'brushless DC motor'. Either can
'step' or 'run' according to the drive electronics. Both require
electronic drive circuits to rotate to a step or to spin.

A CDROM motor with 9 stator windings and a 12 pole rotor
(6N + 6S), although designed to spin a CD continously,
will behave like a 10 degree stepper motor - energising
the coil terminals with DC in the right sequence will result
in 36 different rotor positions.
Energising the coil terminals with DC quickly in the correct
sequence (ie. AC) will result in smooth rotation, just as
energising the coils in ANY stepper motor with the correct
phase and amplitude will result in smooth rotation.
 
fritz wrote:
There is no fundamental difference between what is called
a 'stepper motor' and a 'brushless DC motor'. Either can
'step' or 'run' according to the drive electronics. Both require
electronic drive circuits to rotate to a step or to spin.

A CDROM motor with 9 stator windings and a 12 pole rotor
(6N + 6S), although designed to spin a CD continously,
will behave like a 10 degree stepper motor - energising
the coil terminals with DC in the right sequence will result
in 36 different rotor positions.
Energising the coil terminals with DC quickly in the correct
sequence (ie. AC) will result in smooth rotation, just as
energising the coils in ANY stepper motor with the correct
phase and amplitude will result in smooth rotation.
Click to expand...
OK CDs and DVDs all use stepper motors.

geoff
 
geoff <geoff@nospam-paf.co.nz> wrote in message news:F6adnQ0ocoAnNa3VnZ2dnUVZ_g2dnZ2d@giganews.com...
fritz wrote:
There is no fundamental difference between what is called
a 'stepper motor' and a 'brushless DC motor'. Either can
'step' or 'run' according to the drive electronics. Both require
electronic drive circuits to rotate to a step or to spin.

A CDROM motor with 9 stator windings and a 12 pole rotor
(6N + 6S), although designed to spin a CD continously,
will behave like a 10 degree stepper motor - energising
the coil terminals with DC in the right sequence will result
in 36 different rotor positions.
Energising the coil terminals with DC quickly in the correct
sequence (ie. AC) will result in smooth rotation, just as
energising the coils in ANY stepper motor with the correct
phase and amplitude will result in smooth rotation.

OK CDs and DVDs all use stepper motors.

geoff
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Spindle motors won't be called stepper motors in your
spare parts index....they will be labelled brushless DC motors..
I am just pointing out that from an engineering point of view,
they differ in detail, not in their fundamental operation.
 
fritz wrote:
geoff <geoff@nospam-paf.co.nz> wrote in message
news:F6adnQ0ocoAnNa3VnZ2dnUVZ_g2dnZ2d@giganews.com...
fritz wrote:
There is no fundamental difference between what is called
a 'stepper motor' and a 'brushless DC motor'. Either can
'step' or 'run' according to the drive electronics. Both require
electronic drive circuits to rotate to a step or to spin.

A CDROM motor with 9 stator windings and a 12 pole rotor
(6N + 6S), although designed to spin a CD continously,
will behave like a 10 degree stepper motor - energising
the coil terminals with DC in the right sequence will result
in 36 different rotor positions.
Energising the coil terminals with DC quickly in the correct
sequence (ie. AC) will result in smooth rotation, just as
energising the coils in ANY stepper motor with the correct
phase and amplitude will result in smooth rotation.

OK CDs and DVDs all use stepper motors.

geoff

Spindle motors won't be called stepper motors in your
spare parts index....they will be labelled brushless DC motors..
I am just pointing out that from an engineering point of view,
they differ in detail, not in their fundamental operation.
Click to expand...
You could say then that a motor is only a 'stepper motor' if it is used in
that configuration.

Like a Delivery Van is on ly a Delivery Van if the van is used in Delivery
Van configuration.

geoff
 
" fritz the ASD fucked fuckhead "


** You clearly are a narcissistic, nit picking idiot who cannot take being
corrected.

Brushless DC motors and stepper motors are the NOT the SAME
- each type is suited to particular applications and they have very
different characteristics.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brushless_DC_electric_motor


Fuck off and Die - you MORON !!





....... Phil
 
On 19/05/2008 08:06 geoff wrote:
fritz wrote:
There is no fundamental difference between what is called
a 'stepper motor' and a 'brushless DC motor'. Either can
'step' or 'run' according to the drive electronics. Both require
electronic drive circuits to rotate to a step or to spin.

A CDROM motor with 9 stator windings and a 12 pole rotor
(6N + 6S), although designed to spin a CD continously,
will behave like a 10 degree stepper motor - energising
the coil terminals with DC in the right sequence will result
in 36 different rotor positions.
Energising the coil terminals with DC quickly in the correct
sequence (ie. AC) will result in smooth rotation, just as
energising the coils in ANY stepper motor with the correct
phase and amplitude will result in smooth rotation.
Click to expand...


From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stepper_motor:

Stepper motors operate much differently from normal DC motors, which
rotate when voltage is applied to their terminals. Stepper motors, on
the other hand, effectively have multiple "toothed" electromagnets
arranged around a central gear-shaped piece of iron. The electromagnets
are energized by an external control circuit, such as a microcontroller.
To make the motor shaft turn, first one electromagnet is given power,
which makes the gear's teeth magnetically attracted to the
electromagnet's teeth. When the gear's teeth are thus aligned to the
first electromagnet, they are slightly offset from the next
electromagnet. So when the next electromagnet is turned on and the first
is turned off, the gear rotates slightly to align with the next one, and
from there the process is repeated. Each of those slight rotations is
called a "step." In that way, the motor can be turned a precise angle.



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Bob Parker <bobp.deletethis@bluebottle.com> wrote in message news:4830e6c8$0$11495$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au...
On 19/05/2008 08:06 geoff wrote:
fritz wrote:
There is no fundamental difference between what is called
a 'stepper motor' and a 'brushless DC motor'. Either can
'step' or 'run' according to the drive electronics. Both require
electronic drive circuits to rotate to a step or to spin.

A CDROM motor with 9 stator windings and a 12 pole rotor
(6N + 6S), although designed to spin a CD continously,
will behave like a 10 degree stepper motor - energising
the coil terminals with DC in the right sequence will result
in 36 different rotor positions.
Energising the coil terminals with DC quickly in the correct
sequence (ie. AC) will result in smooth rotation, just as
energising the coils in ANY stepper motor with the correct
phase and amplitude will result in smooth rotation.



From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stepper_motor:

Stepper motors operate much differently from normal DC motors, which
rotate when voltage is applied to their terminals.
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Steppers operate exactly the same as 'brushless DC motors', which also
are different from 'normal DC motors' in that neither will rotate (continously)
when voltage is applied to their terminals.

If you actually have a close look at the link you quoted above,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stepper_motor:
you will find a diagram of a stepper motor with 3 coils connected in delta,
for smooth rotation, which is the same configuration as most CDROM
9-pole spindle motors.


Stepper motors, on
the other hand, effectively have multiple "toothed" electromagnets
arranged around a central gear-shaped piece of iron. The electromagnets
are energized by an external control circuit, such as a microcontroller.
To make the motor shaft turn, first one electromagnet is given power,
which makes the gear's teeth magnetically attracted to the
electromagnet's teeth. When the gear's teeth are thus aligned to the
first electromagnet, they are slightly offset from the next
electromagnet. So when the next electromagnet is turned on and the first
is turned off, the gear rotates slightly to align with the next one, and
from there the process is repeated. Each of those slight rotations is
called a "step." In that way, the motor can be turned a precise angle.
Click to expand...
 
You really are a sick puppy, Phil.
Get professional help for your irrational anger.
You should realise by now that your constant swearing and abuse to others
on this NG just makes you look like a schoolboy.



Phil Allison <philallison@tpg.com.au> wrote in message news:69c465F30njt3U1@mid.individual.net...
" fritz the ASD fucked fuckhead "


** You clearly are a narcissistic, nit picking idiot who cannot take being
corrected.

Brushless DC motors and stepper motors are the NOT the SAME
- each type is suited to particular applications and they have very
different characteristics.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brushless_DC_electric_motor


Fuck off and Die - you MORON !!





...... Phil
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"fritz" <fritz@address.com>

" fritz the ASD fucked fuckhead "


** You clearly are a narcissistic, nit picking, fucking idiot who cannot
take being corrected about anything.

Brushless DC motors and stepper motors are the NOT the SAME
- each type is suited to particular applications and they have very
different characteristics.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brushless_DC_electric_motor


Fuck off and Die - you MORON !!



....... Phil
 
In message <g0svlc$qsd$02$2@news.t-online.com>, fritz
<fritz@address.com> writes
You really are a sick puppy, Phil.
Get professional help for your irrational anger.
You should realise by now that your constant swearing and abuse to others
on this NG just makes you look like a schoolboy.
Best thing to do is just KF him and forget he exists. Oh, don't quote
Click to expand...
him either, it defeats the object of the killfile some of us have placed
him in.
--
Clint Sharp
 
Phil Allison is a narcissistic, nit picking, fucking idiot who cannot
take being corrected about anything.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brushless_DC_electric_motor
Click to expand...
Proves what I have been talking about - there is no fundamental
difference between a Brushless_DC_electric_motor and a
stepper motor.
 
geoff <geoff@nospam-paf.co.nz> wrote in message news:beadnX8ige0rTa3VnZ2dnUVZ_sbinZ2d@giganews.com...
fritz wrote:
geoff <geoff@nospam-paf.co.nz> wrote in message
news:F6adnQ0ocoAnNa3VnZ2dnUVZ_g2dnZ2d@giganews.com...
fritz wrote:
There is no fundamental difference between what is called
a 'stepper motor' and a 'brushless DC motor'. Either can
'step' or 'run' according to the drive electronics. Both require
electronic drive circuits to rotate to a step or to spin.

A CDROM motor with 9 stator windings and a 12 pole rotor
(6N + 6S), although designed to spin a CD continously,
will behave like a 10 degree stepper motor - energising
the coil terminals with DC in the right sequence will result
in 36 different rotor positions.
Energising the coil terminals with DC quickly in the correct
sequence (ie. AC) will result in smooth rotation, just as
energising the coils in ANY stepper motor with the correct
phase and amplitude will result in smooth rotation.

OK CDs and DVDs all use stepper motors.

geoff

Spindle motors won't be called stepper motors in your
spare parts index....they will be labelled brushless DC motors..
I am just pointing out that from an engineering point of view,
they differ in detail, not in their fundamental operation.

You could say then that a motor is only a 'stepper motor' if it is used in
that configuration.
Click to expand...
The general class is 'brushless DC motors'. As I have been pointing out,
if they are used for positioning they are called stepper motors. If they
spin, then they are usually just labelled 'brushless DC motors', but this is
misleading because if you just apply DC to them, they will NOT spin.
From an engineering point of view, they differ in detail, not in their
fundamental operation. A 'stepper' will rotate continously if it's coils are
driven in the correct sequence, and they can be very smooth when
compared to 'brush commutated DC motors', by the way.

Like a Delivery Van is on ly a Delivery Van if the van is used in Delivery
Van configuration.
Click to expand...
That is a bad analogy.



geoff
Click to expand...
 
"fritz" <fritz@address.com>

" fritz the ASD fucked fuckhead "


** You clearly are a narcissistic, nit picking, fucking idiot who cannot
take being corrected about anything.

Brushless DC motors and stepper motors are the NOT the SAME
- each type is suited to particular applications and they have very
different characteristics.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brushless_DC_electric_motor


Fuck off and Die - you MORON !!



....... Phil
 
Oi!
That's enough of that.

Phil Allison wrote:
"fritz" <fritz@address.com

" fritz the ASD fucked fuckhead "


** You clearly are a narcissistic, nit picking, fucking idiot who
cannot take being corrected about anything.

Brushless DC motors and stepper motors are the NOT the SAME
- each type is suited to particular applications and they have very
different characteristics.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brushless_DC_electric_motor


Fuck off and Die - you MORON !!



...... Phil
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"Clint Sharp" <clint@clintsmc.demon.co.uk>


** FUCK OFF HOME

- you festering pile of pommy shit.




.... Phil
 
"Phil Allison" <philallison@tpg.com.au> wrote in message
news:69hvfaF315bprU1@mid.individual.net...
"Clint Sharp" <clint@clintsmc.demon.co.uk


** FUCK OFF HOME

- you festering pile of pommy shit.




... Phil
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Philthy, Off the meds - I can tell.
Some consolation is you're here causing a stink and not on aus.hi-fi for a
change.
 
In message
<4835975b$0$11505$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au>, Alan
Rutlidge <don't_spam_me_rutlidge@iinet.net.au> writes
Philthy, Off the meds - I can tell.
Some consolation is you're here causing a stink and not on aus.hi-fi for a
change.
Please don't quote him, if you don't quote him I don't see his ranting.
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Although I do like the idea that he's expending all that energy getting
angry and foaming at the mouth in vain.
--
Clint Sharp
 
"Clint Sharp" <clint@clintsmc.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
news:FPLeeNCBGcNIFwyE@clintsmc.demon.co.uk...
In message <4835975b$0$11505$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au>,
Alan Rutlidge <don't_spam_me_rutlidge@iinet.net.au> writes
Philthy, Off the meds - I can tell.
Some consolation is you're here causing a stink and not on aus.hi-fi for a
change.
Please don't quote him, if you don't quote him I don't see his ranting.
Although I do like the idea that he's expending all that energy getting
angry and foaming at the mouth in vain.



--
Clint Sharp
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No quoting. Normal Usenet reply. Info too brief to snip.
Besides, how was I to know you had PA kill-filed?
If I knew that I'd be predicting the Lotto numbers - right? :)
 
In message
<483618c8$0$11467$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au>, Alan
Rutlidge <don't_spam_me_rutlidge@iinet.net.au> writes
No quoting. Normal Usenet reply. Info too brief to snip.
Besides, how was I to know you had PA kill-filed?
If I knew that I'd be predicting the Lotto numbers - right? :)
Yeah, I Know. Mind you, if you do get a vision on those numbers......
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--
Clint Sharp
 
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