Apple throttled your iPhone by cutting its speed almost in H

On Wed, 10 Jan 2018 10:18:14 -0500, rickman wrote:

You clearly don't understand the technology. If Apple had known of the
problem when they designed the phone they would have used a larger battery
with a higher maximum current. Then as it wore it would still power the
phone at 100% capacity past the end of the warranty period.

Rickman,

I must caution you about nospam.

He's vastly *different* from the other half-dozen or so fundamentalist
Apple Apologists *Jolly Roger, Lewis, BKonRamp, Savageduck*, etc.

While nospam has the same fact-free belief system that characterizes an
Apple Apologist, he's far smarter than the rest. And better informed. He's
apparently just as poorly educated, but he's smart nonetheless. So he
actually *might* be college educated even, but I think not.

Nontheless, nospam is duplicitously clever (like James Comey) with facts in
a way that is intended to frustrate a logical person out of his mind.

I've consistently said he'd make a great defense lawyer, and I'd even want
to hire him as my defense lawyer, but he'd make for a lousy prosecutor
because he brings up innuendo and magical possibility of "who done it", but
he never proves a word he says with facts.

The other half-dozen Apple Apologists actually *believe* what they write,
but nospam doesn't believe a word of what he writes. He's far too clever,
and you can tell by the exact words he uses, which are clever contortions
of actual facts.

The rest of the Apple Apologists are merely ignorant fundamentalists - but
nospam actually provides value - but you have to grasp that value out of
his contortions like an archeologist grasped the true story out of an
archeological dig in a rubbish heap.

The value of nospam is that you know he knows the truth when you read his
clever distortions of it. He drives logical people nuts, until they realize
he does it on purpose.

He's a classic Orwellian doublespeak artist, who will flatly and repeatedly
deny that 1+1=2, seemingly without a single twinge of guilt. Just watch.
 
On 1/11/18 11:28 AM, Harry Newton wrote:
On Thu, 11 Jan 2018 09:52:42 -0600, Fox's Mercantile wrote:

Wrong again you ignorant cunt.

Why is it that the Apple Apologists resort to patently untrue insults
whenever confronted with items that shake their belief system?

To wit, I have multiple higher degrees, and I don't have a vagina.

:)

I am not Snit you fucking moron.
Fuck you and your alleged degrees.

--
"I am a river to my people."
Jeff-1.0
WA6FWi
http:foxsmercantile.com
 
On 1/11/18 11:28 AM, Harry Newton wrote:
On Thu, 11 Jan 2018 09:50:41 -0600, Fox's Mercantile wrote:

You ignorant cunt. to paraphrase the replies during the
McCarthy witch hunts, "I am not now, nor have I ever been, Snit."

Unlike you, I do not hide behind an anonymous name that changes
constantly.

Although I'm touched that you find it necessary to attack me.
You are Snit.

What part of "I'm not snit" do you fail to grasp?


--
"I am a river to my people."
Jeff-1.0
WA6FWi
http:foxsmercantile.com
 
Neutron, Ricky sittin' in a tree.

K I S S I N G

First comes love, then comes marriage

Thank the stars, no baby carriage.

Rick's wet thumb & wetting his pants,

Doing the hula, hula dance!
 
On 1/11/18 12:14 PM, Harry Newton wrote:
On Wed, 10 Jan 2018 08:06:58 -0600, Fox's Mercantile wrote:

Damn,you're an ignorant cunt.

Snit - try to add technical on-topic value for once in your life.

Let's see, from your very next post, whether you're even *capable* of
adding on-topic technical value to this thread.

You haven't added any since the beginning.

And I'm NOT Snit
Get that through your thick skull.


--
"I am a river to my people."
Jeff-1.0
WA6FWi
http:foxsmercantile.com
 
Harry Newton <harryne_wton@AlliOSusersJustGiveUp.com> wrote:
On 10 Jan 2018 17:22:08 GMT, Jolly Roger wrote:

Since you are the one who originally stated "the user experience is
being impacted to mitigate the problems of a battery that is degrading
prematurely in order to avoid warranty replacements", the onus is on
you. So go right ahead and prove that's the case, if you can.

The user experience is *definitely* impacted when the phones shut down.

The feature in question prevents spontaneous shutdowns of devices with
dying batteries and extends runtime.

> Blah blah blah blah

Get back to us when you have factual information to share rather than
useless blogger opinion pieces.

--
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I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead.

JR
 
Harry Newton <harryne_wton@AlliOSusersJustGiveUp.com> wrote:
On 10 Jan 2018 18:13:53 GMT, Jolly Roger wrote:

You don't even own an iPhone.

Even if we

There’s no “we”, I wasn’t talking to you.


--
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I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead.

JR
 
Harry Newton <harryne_wton@AlliOSusersJustGiveUp.com> wrote:
On Wed, 10 Jan 2018 10:02:42 -0500, nospam wrote:

the batteries work perfectly fine in normal everyday use.

Which is why the iPhones suddenly shut down in use.

False.

--
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JR
 
On Thu, 11 Jan 2018 12:49:25 -0500, nospam wrote:

except that most of the time, it won't improve anything because the
existing battery is perfectly fine.

While the other half-dozen Apple Apologists actually believe the Orwellian
doublething that 1+1=3, you simply say it without believing what you say.

You're too smart to believe that a battery that *needed* the CPU to be
secretly, permanently, and drastically throttled to less than half it's
performance (which Apple euphemistically calls "peak performance") is
"perfectly fine".

<https://www.theverge.com/2018/1/11/16878412/iphone-slowdown-battery-replacement-wait-times-6-plus-supply-shortage>
"In other words, Apple decided on behalf of its customers that they'd
prefer an iPhone that performed worse for the same amount of time,
than an iPhone that performed just as well for a shorter amount of
time. It's a decision that does nothing to dispel the characterization
of Apple as a company that does what it can to push customers into
buying new phones."
 
He who is Jolly Roger said on 11 Jan 2018 17:53:09 GMT:

> Blogger opinion pieces aren+IBk-t facts. Try harder.

<https://www.theverge.com/2018/1/11/16878412/iphone-slowdown-battery-replacement-wait-times-6-plus-supply-shortage>
"In other words, Apple decided on behalf of its customers that they'd
prefer an iPhone that performed worse for the same amount of time,
than an iPhone that performed just as well for a shorter amount of
time. It's a decision that does nothing to dispel the characterization
of Apple as a company that does what it can to push customers into
buying new phones."
 
On 11 Jan 2018 18:35:16 GMT, Jolly Roger wrote:

The feature in question prevents spontaneous shutdowns of devices with
dying batteries and extends runtime.

"In other words, Apple decided on behalf of its customers that they'd
prefer an iPhone that performed worse for the same amount of time,
than an iPhone that performed just as well for a shorter amount of
time. It's a decision that does nothing to dispel the characterization
of Apple as a company that does what it can to push customers into
buying new phones."
<https://www.theverge.com/2018/1/11/16878412/iphone-slowdown-battery-replacement-wait-times-6-plus-supply-shortage>
 
On 11 Jan 2018 18:35:18 GMT, Jolly Roger wrote:

the batteries work perfectly fine in normal everyday use.

Which is why the iPhones suddenly shut down in use.

False.

"In other words, Apple decided on behalf of its customers that they'd
prefer an iPhone that performed worse for the same amount of time,
than an iPhone that performed just as well for a shorter amount of
time. It's a decision that does nothing to dispel the characterization
of Apple as a company that does what it can to push customers into
buying new phones."
<https://www.theverge.com/2018/1/11/16878412/iphone-slowdown-battery-replacement-wait-times-6-plus-supply-shortage>
 
On Wed, 10 Jan 2018 16:54:28 -0500, nospam wrote:

state of charge is not the issue. it's aging to where it can't supply
peak loads anymore, even if it's at full soc.

For SMS, "peak loads" is Apple's Orwellian doublespeak for permanently
halving the CPU's possible performance.
 
In article <p389em$nnm$2@gioia.aioe.org>, Harry Newton
<harryne_wton@AlliOSusersJustGiveUp.com> wrote:

> The user experience is *definitely* impacted when the phones shut down.

which is why apple has taken steps to avoid that from happening.
 
In article <p389eo$nnm$3@gioia.aioe.org>, Harry Newton
<harryne_wton@AlliOSusersJustGiveUp.com> wrote:

There are ways to check if Apple secretly throttled the CPU on your phone.

none that end users can run.
 
On 10 Jan 2018 07:25:24 GMT, Jolly Roger wrote:

You misunderstand

Nah. You just suck ass as a human being.

I'm actually a very nice guy.
I just happen to be very well educated, logical, and intelligent.
Hence, we won't likely get along well.
 
On Wed, 10 Jan 2018 12:06:34 -0500, nospam wrote:

> there isn't anything to fix.

Rickman,

I was trying to hint to you that nospam is *different* than the other half
dozen fundamentalist Apple Apologists.
*Jolly Roger, Lewis, nospam, BKonRamp, Savageduck, Hemidactylus, etc.*

He actually doesn't believe a thing he says (because he knows the facts and
actually understands them, unlike the other Apple Apologists).

Always keep in mind that, while all half dozen of the die-hard Apple
Apologists have a belief system which is vulnerable to facts, nospam
actually *knows* his facts.

He simply has a propensity to flaty outright deny them.

Why?
You tell me why.

Here's what he does all the time:
rickman: Your equation of 1+1=3 is wrong; so it needs to be fixed.
nopsam: There isn't anything to fix.
 
On Wed, 10 Jan 2018 13:35:46 -0800, sms wrote:

Or it can be designed with adequate passive cooling.

That would needlessly reduce performance in most use. A lot of devices
are now designed with thermal sensors that allow a performance level
that cannot be sustained for long periods of time under certain conditions.

Bear in mind that 'reduced performance' (aka permanently halving the CPU
speeds) is the solution that Apple came up with (secretly, of course)...

"Apple said it introduced this behavior last year, for the iPhone
6, 6S, and SE, as a way to prevent random shutdowns" of year old
phones.
<https://www.theverge.com/circuitbreaker/2017/12/28/16825288/htc-motorola-dont-slow-processor-speeds-old-batteries-apple>

Bearing in mind the Orwellian doublespeak of "peak performance" really
means halving the CPU speeds...

"In other words, Apple decided on behalf of its customers that they'd
prefer an iPhone that performed worse for the same amount of time,
than an iPhone that performed just as well for a shorter amount of
time. It's a decision that does nothing to dispel the characterization
of Apple as a company that does what it can to push customers into
buying new phones."
<https://www.theverge.com/2018/1/11/16878412/iphone-slowdown-battery-replacement-wait-times-6-plus-supply-shortage>
 
On Wed, 10 Jan 2018 13:26:45 -0800, sms wrote:

So they don't work "fine".+AKA- My understanding is if Apple didn't install
software to throttle the CPU the battery would cause the phone to
shutdown. That's not working "perfectly fine".

No.

Whether the battery is brand new, or three years old, if it's in a low
state of charge it could shut down under heavy processor demand.

Here are the good choices:

1. Shut the phone down before the battery is discharged to a level that
would cause an unexpected shutdown if high demand were placed on the
battery. If this event occurs after an abnormally short amount of
operating time, inform the user that a battery replacement is needed.

2. Reduce performance only when the battery is discharged to a level
that would cause an unexpected shutdown if high demand were placed on
the battery.

3. Give the user the option of a "battery-saver" mode that would reduce
performance in order to increase the operating time.

For rickman, sms is NOT an Apple Apologist, so you can have a normal adult
conversation with him.

To sms, the fact that the very many sudden and unexpected shutdowns in the
first year of use blindsided Apple merely indicates that Apple made an
eggregious design mistake that they missed in their testing procedures.

"Apple could have also avoided this issue by designing phones with
bigger batteries that don't degrade as quickly."
https://gizmodo.com/now-the-senate-wants-answers-about-apples-iphone-thrott-1821975549

So, the better choice, IMHO, would have been for Apple to rectify the
design mistake, which may be as simple as using larger batteries for all we
know.

"Apple could have designed phones that didn't need these guardrails
just a year after their release."
<https://www.theverge.com/circuitbreaker/2017/12/28/16825288/htc-motorola-dont-slow-processor-speeds-old-batteries-apple>
 
On Thu, 11 Jan 2018 10:13:16 -0700, Snit
<usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:

On 1/11/18, 9:15 AM, in article qb3f5dddra0v0km4sr8a7kgbipjhmkdreb@4ax.com,
"BK@Onramp.net" <BK@Onramp.net> wrote:

On Thu, 11 Jan 2018 09:53:36 -0600, Fox's Mercantile <jdangus@att.net
wrote:

On 1/11/18 9:09 AM, Harry Newton wrote:
Bear in mind that Fox' Mercantile is the utter moron Snit

Wrong again you ignorant cunt.

Could you repeat this message? I only have three of them. :)

He is merely responding to Harry's lies, which are repeated far more than
just three times.

I was just pulling his chain.
 

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