amusing product teardown video

[Spehro Pefhany]

On Wed, 25 Nov 2015 15:57:51 -0500, mixed nuts
<melopsitticus@undulatus.budgie> wrote:

On 11/25/2015 3:45 PM, George Herold wrote:
On Wednesday, November 25, 2015 at 2:28:26 PM UTC-5, Cursitor Doom wrote:
On Wed, 25 Nov 2015 08:24:20 -0800, tabbypurr wrote:

I thought the presenter a bit of a tw-t. It was plainly not delivered to
a customer, it was a preproduction unit.

Then why does that label imply it was the 11th unit produced?

Maybe they started with 11? We don't sell many of things and
my boss likes to start the serial numbers at 100, so 101 is the first
produced.

George H.

I started with the zip code for a couple of product lines. When the
small group expanded into a division, that was wired into the MRP system.

I started one sequence with the founding date of the company. Postal
codes are alphanumeric here so that was out. Getting one of the first
of few anything (be it a product or an invoice) creates a certain
impression that may or may not be desirable.

--sp

--
Best regards,
Spehro Pefhany
Amazon link for AoE 3rd Edition: http://tinyurl.com/ntrpwu8
Microchip link for 2015 Masters in Phoenix: http://tinyurl.com/l7g2k48

 

[krw]

On 25 Nov 2015 19:54:39 GMT, Rob <nomail@example.com> wrote:

Lasse Langwadt Christensen <langwadt@fonz.dk> wrote:
a hacked together prototype is one thing, but the only explanation for such horrible soldering is if it was done some late night in a hotel using a rusty
old nail and a candle.

Or by someone who is not an electronics engineer but knows how to
interconnect some externally sourced building blocks and is new to
soldering and construction.

People like that can build a PC from case and components, and in this
case someone like that overshot their capabilities a bit while trying
to fit a lot of parts in a small case.

He emphasizes that because the serial number is 0011 there must be 11
units or more like this, but of course that assumes the serial numbering
started at 0001.

....and it's not binary.

Maybe the number is just a random example, maybe the number is a design
number in this case, or maybe the case was re-used from another product
which was produced with serial number 0011 and had the touch screen but
a different type of electronics, and was cannibalized for usage of just
the screen and case for this one-off prototype.

 

[legg]

On Wed, 25 Nov 2015 10:45:18 -0800 (PST), Lasse Langwadt Christensen
<langwadt@fonz.dk> wrote:

Den onsdag den 25. november 2015 kl. 15.34.27 UTC+1 skrev legg:
On Wed, 25 Nov 2015 00:13:54 +0000 (UTC), Cydrome Leader
presence@MUNGEpanix.com> wrote:

I turned the volume down after a minute or two, but this tablet type
computer is still funny

http://www.eevblog.com/2015/11/24/eevblog-822-worlds-worst-tablet-computer-teardown/


Does this EEV blog guy have a real job, or is he just another guy who
couldn't meet his own deadlines with working prototypes, under budget?

he manages his own company doing youtube videos and it pays his salary and
his office how is that not a real job?

-Lasse

You know this because.....If so, then I wish him all the best, but I
salute the efforts of those who haven't given up trying to compete in
the development and marketing of new hardware, no matter how crazy
their assignments and bosses might be. This guy has no clue.

RL

 

[legg]

On Wed, 25 Nov 2015 13:01:20 -0500, Spehro Pefhany
<speffSNIP@interlogDOTyou.knowwhat> wrote:

On Wed, 25 Nov 2015 09:32:23 -0500, legg <legg@nospam.magma.ca> wrote:

On Wed, 25 Nov 2015 00:13:54 +0000 (UTC), Cydrome Leader
presence@MUNGEpanix.com> wrote:

I turned the volume down after a minute or two, but this tablet type
computer is still funny

http://www.eevblog.com/2015/11/24/eevblog-822-worlds-worst-tablet-computer-teardown/


Does this EEV blog guy have a real job, or is he just another guy who
couldn't meet his own deadlines with working prototypes, under budget?


My only question would be 'Did it serve its purpose?'. He'll never
know.

RL

I'd guess its purpose would have been to help secure a large contract
for supply of (properly engineered) devices. They hacked something
together that looked (from the outside) like the final product-
probably on a very short deadline. It also looks pretty old based on
the CF card and Windows XP and maybe NiMH cells. It's apparently still
functional after 5-10 years, so not too shabby.


--sp

It would have been interesting if he'd demonstrated any remaining
functionality, but I thought I heard him say something about its
origins a junk job-lot. It's normal safe practice to make sure these
things get recovered and disposed of in a suitable manner.

Some companies I know have a dedicated warehouse for this stuff, with
a minimum 6yr witholding policy before scrapping (metals-only under
contract), just in case there's an IP or SRED query (legal).

I didn't see a charging port on the thing, but didn't bother running
through the video more than the once. Wouldn't be much use without
I/O.

When I run across a functional bug in a new product, hardware or SW, I
try to work with the mfr. I don't make fun of them - except perhaps in
the pub, with others who might appreciate the implications, with some
sympathy. When it comes to intentional obfuscation in standards or
processes, I have no sense of humor whatsoever.

RL

 

[K]

On 26-Nov-15 11:48 AM, legg wrote:

On Wed, 25 Nov 2015 10:45:18 -0800 (PST), Lasse Langwadt Christensen
langwadt@fonz.dk> wrote:

Den onsdag den 25. november 2015 kl. 15.34.27 UTC+1 skrev legg:
On Wed, 25 Nov 2015 00:13:54 +0000 (UTC), Cydrome Leader
presence@MUNGEpanix.com> wrote:

I turned the volume down after a minute or two, but this tablet type
computer is still funny

http://www.eevblog.com/2015/11/24/eevblog-822-worlds-worst-tablet-computer-teardown/


Does this EEV blog guy have a real job, or is he just another guy who
couldn't meet his own deadlines with working prototypes, under budget?

he manages his own company doing youtube videos and it pays his salary and
his office how is that not a real job?

-Lasse

You know this because.....If so, then I wish him all the best, but I
salute the efforts of those who haven't given up trying to compete in
the development and marketing of new hardware, no matter how crazy
their assignments and bosses might be. This guy has no clue.

RL

I think your comments are unfounded and harsh. Check out his website.

His work may not be to your taste and his opinions may not always agree
with yours or mine but he's been going for many years now.

I'd say he's inspired quite a few younger guys to get into electronics.
He's no doubt also reminded some of us older guys of some things we've
forgotten.

 

[Ralph Barone]

Cursitor Doom <curd@notformail.com> wrote:

On Wed, 25 Nov 2015 00:13:54 +0000, Cydrome Leader wrote:

I turned the volume down after a minute or two, but this tablet type
computer is still funny

http://www.eevblog.com/2015/11/24/eevblog-822-worlds-worst-tablet-
computer-teardown/

This is the kind of lash-up I'd expect to find come out of some back
street hack-shop in Nigeria. I was really shocked to see it's of German
origin! :-D

Yeah, the company is in Germany, but consider the company name (Esinomed ->
medical electronics from China) and who might actually be running it.

 

[Cursitor Doom]

On Thu, 26 Nov 2015 16:01:20 +0000, Rob wrote:

> Esinomed spelled backward is demonise.

Well spotted.

 

[Lasse Langwadt Christense]

Den torsdag den 26. november 2015 kl. 14.47.18 UTC+1 skrev Spehro Pefhany:

On Wed, 25 Nov 2015 22:48:35 -0500, the renowned legg
legg@nospam.magma.ca> wrote:


You know this because.....If so, then I wish him all the best, but I
salute the efforts of those who haven't given up trying to compete in
the development and marketing of new hardware, no matter how crazy
their assignments and bosses might be. This guy has no clue.

RL

Despite his 'unique' presentation style, Dave is pretty good at what
he does and he's been doing it long enough to prove that he's a
success at it. He's in the top echelon of money makers from his videos
and has given presentations on that- lots of sticky eyeballs.

For example, I have found his videos on specifying production panels
of PCB boards to be quite useful (all the gritty details required at
the interface between bare PCB maker and designer). Like the size of
tooling holes and tooling strips, fiducial details etc. It doesn't
hurt that he uses Altium as well. If you are working (or have worked)
in a big company that has a set of standards for that kind of thing,
no big deal, but not all of us have that background. Previously, I
would typically leave panelization to the PCB factory, but there is so
much more flexibility if you take control.

I like https://www.youtube.com/user/mikeselectricstuff

He's got some nifty tips and tricks for production and test like
https://youtu.be/V5BDcEqEaKg https://youtu.be/cQWnLOCGpXM

and has done some impressive reverse engineering https://youtu.be/SKLnGhwWtoc

-Lasse

 

[Phil Hobbs]

On 11/25/2015 10:48 PM, legg wrote:

On Wed, 25 Nov 2015 10:45:18 -0800 (PST), Lasse Langwadt Christensen
langwadt@fonz.dk> wrote:

Den onsdag den 25. november 2015 kl. 15.34.27 UTC+1 skrev legg:
On Wed, 25 Nov 2015 00:13:54 +0000 (UTC), Cydrome Leader
presence@MUNGEpanix.com> wrote:

I turned the volume down after a minute or two, but this tablet type
computer is still funny

http://www.eevblog.com/2015/11/24/eevblog-822-worlds-worst-tablet-computer-teardown/


Does this EEV blog guy have a real job, or is he just another guy who
couldn't meet his own deadlines with working prototypes, under budget?

he manages his own company doing youtube videos and it pays his salary and
his office how is that not a real job?

-Lasse

You know this because.....

Because he's blogged about it all the way through, silly.

Cheers

Phil Hobbs


--
Dr Philip C D Hobbs
Principal Consultant
ElectroOptical Innovations LLC
Optics, Electro-optics, Photonics, Analog Electronics

160 North State Road #203
Briarcliff Manor NY 10510

hobbs at electrooptical dot net
http://electrooptical.net

 

[Spehro Pefhany]

On Wed, 25 Nov 2015 22:48:35 -0500, the renowned legg
<legg@nospam.magma.ca> wrote:

You know this because.....If so, then I wish him all the best, but I
salute the efforts of those who haven't given up trying to compete in
the development and marketing of new hardware, no matter how crazy
their assignments and bosses might be. This guy has no clue.

RL

Despite his 'unique' presentation style, Dave is pretty good at what
he does and he's been doing it long enough to prove that he's a
success at it. He's in the top echelon of money makers from his videos
and has given presentations on that- lots of sticky eyeballs.

For example, I have found his videos on specifying production panels
of PCB boards to be quite useful (all the gritty details required at
the interface between bare PCB maker and designer). Like the size of
tooling holes and tooling strips, fiducial details etc. It doesn't
hurt that he uses Altium as well. If you are working (or have worked)
in a big company that has a set of standards for that kind of thing,
no big deal, but not all of us have that background. Previously, I
would typically leave panelization to the PCB factory, but there is so
much more flexibility if you take control.

I'd say he's a bit like the new generation of someone like Don
Lancaster- he says outrageous things from time to time, but he really
knows his stuff, and he (unlike Don) actively speaks to a world-wide
English-speaking audience with all the modern tools such as blogs,
vblogs, social media etc.

More power to him. You can argue about his opinions (he's probably
like that), but he makes *technical* errors as infrequently as any
other highly competent player. He's also been a contributor here, but
I suspect the small and aging group of greybeards on USENET is of
limited priority.

--sp


--
Best regards,
Spehro Pefhany
Amazon link for AoE 3rd Edition: http://tinyurl.com/ntrpwu8
Microchip link for 2015 Masters in Phoenix: http://tinyurl.com/l7g2k48

 

[Rob]

Cydrome Leader <presence@MUNGEpanix.com> wrote:

Rob <nomail@example.com> wrote:
Lasse Langwadt Christensen <langwadt@fonz.dk> wrote:
a hacked together prototype is one thing, but the only explanation for such horrible soldering is if it was done some late night in a hotel using a rusty
old nail and a candle.

Or by someone who is not an electronics engineer but knows how to
interconnect some externally sourced building blocks and is new to
soldering and construction.

People like that can build a PC from case and components, and in this
case someone like that overshot their capabilities a bit while trying
to fit a lot of parts in a small case.

He emphasizes that because the serial number is 0011 there must be 11
units or more like this, but of course that assumes the serial numbering
started at 0001.

Maybe the number is just a random example, maybe the number is a design
number in this case, or maybe the case was re-used from another product
which was produced with serial number 0011 and had the touch screen but
a different type of electronics, and was cannibalized for usage of just
the screen and case for this one-off prototype.

Well, stepping back even more, we don't know that this device was even
made by that company. Maybe somebody repurposed the case as it had a
display already.

I was thinking about that, but in that case it would be a bit strange
that the thing starts up with a program made by that same company.

When it would start as a plain Windows XP system without any special
software, I would go for that option as well.

 

[Rob]

Ralph Barone <address_is@invalid.invalid> wrote:

Cursitor Doom <curd@notformail.com> wrote:
On Wed, 25 Nov 2015 00:13:54 +0000, Cydrome Leader wrote:

I turned the volume down after a minute or two, but this tablet type
computer is still funny

http://www.eevblog.com/2015/11/24/eevblog-822-worlds-worst-tablet-
computer-teardown/

This is the kind of lash-up I'd expect to find come out of some back
street hack-shop in Nigeria. I was really shocked to see it's of German
origin! :-D


Yeah, the company is in Germany, but consider the company name (Esinomed -
medical electronics from China) and who might actually be running it.

Esinomed spelled backward is demonise.

 

[Robert Roland]

On Wed, 25 Nov 2015 19:25:58 -0000 (UTC), Cursitor Doom
<curd@notformail.com> wrote:

>Then why does that label imply it was the 11th unit produced?

It's probably binary.
--
RoRo

 

[legg]

On Thu, 26 Nov 2015 08:47:11 -0500, Spehro Pefhany
<speffSNIP@interlogDOTyou.knowwhat> wrote:

On Wed, 25 Nov 2015 22:48:35 -0500, the renowned legg
legg@nospam.magma.ca> wrote:


You know this because.....If so, then I wish him all the best, but I
salute the efforts of those who haven't given up trying to compete in
the development and marketing of new hardware, no matter how crazy
their assignments and bosses might be. This guy has no clue.

RL

Despite his 'unique' presentation style, Dave is pretty good at what
he does and he's been doing it long enough to prove that he's a
success at it. He's in the top echelon of money makers from his videos
and has given presentations on that- lots of sticky eyeballs.

For example, I have found his videos on specifying production panels
of PCB boards to be quite useful (all the gritty details required at
the interface between bare PCB maker and designer). Like the size of
tooling holes and tooling strips, fiducial details etc. It doesn't
hurt that he uses Altium as well. If you are working (or have worked)
in a big company that has a set of standards for that kind of thing,
no big deal, but not all of us have that background. Previously, I
would typically leave panelization to the PCB factory, but there is so
much more flexibility if you take control.

I'd say he's a bit like the new generation of someone like Don
Lancaster- he says outrageous things from time to time, but he really
knows his stuff, and he (unlike Don) actively speaks to a world-wide
English-speaking audience with all the modern tools such as blogs,
vblogs, social media etc.

More power to him. You can argue about his opinions (he's probably
like that), but he makes *technical* errors as infrequently as any
other highly competent player. He's also been a contributor here, but
I suspect the small and aging group of greybeards on USENET is of
limited priority.

--sp

I'm a little backwards when it comes to video presentations. My main
working machine doesn't have speakers plugged in, or Adobe flash
installed.

Those I've plugged into on a toy machine, seem to take a long time to
say nothing. A written transcript would probably prove this.

RL