AA Batteries

[Bristan]

"Bob Parker" <bobp.deletethis@bluebottle.com> wrote in message
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On 21/01/2008 10:28 Angelo Sartore wrote:
"Phil Allison"
The BIG Q concerns the origin and provenance of the goods ............

Are they from reject batches, old and defective stock sold at auction or
maybe goods stolen from shops or warehouses ??


I agree!
I made the mistake of buying some Lithium batteries from an eBay seller.
Good feedback & all. About half the price of the same batteries available
here. Same 'quality' brand just a lot cheaper. Over half of them were no
good. Very boring indeed. Probably a reject batch sold off cheap.
NEVER AGAIN!

Angelo Sartore

Melbourne
AUSTRALIA

ADOPT, ADAPT, INVENT, DESTROY !

That's exactly the reason I've avoided Ebay and bought from normal
outlets. If you get something from DSE which is defective, you just take
it back and the drones will replace it on the spot.
One of my mates bought a used digital camera for me on Ebay. When I
got it, it was just the camera with none of its accessories (e.g. USB
cable), not even its soft case, and it was full of rock concert photos.
Almost like the seller grabbed it while the owner wasn't looking then sold
it.
OK, maybe I'm cynical ...


Bob

Mate, Dick Smith has in their catalogue 256mb pc 133 sdram for $136
I just purchased the same on ebay for $8
It is out of another computer but is working just fine.
How could you knock that??

 

[Bob Parker]

On 21/01/2008 17:24 Alan Rutlidge wrote:

Sounds pretty right to me Bob.
Lots of stolen stuff ends up on Ebay.
Pointless taking it to the pawn shops as they have to
list all pawned items with the police and then keep
stuff for a couple of weeks before they can sell it.
Too much chance the thief will get nabbed.

Cheers,
Alan

Ironically I had it for 3 months before it got stolen out of my car.
Yeah, I know: NEVER leave anything of value in a car, even in your own
driveway and even if it's got an alarm.
I haven't seen the camera on Ebay yet, but I'm still watching. :-(


Cheers
Bob

 

[Bob Parker]

On 21/01/2008 17:51 Bristan wrote:

Mate, Dick Smith has in their catalogue 256mb pc 133 sdram for $136
I just purchased the same on ebay for $8
It is out of another computer but is working just fine.
How could you knock that??

Great! There are times when common sense has to prevail.

 

[Phil Allison]

"David L. Jerkoff the Lying Fuckwit

"Phil Allison"
The BIG Q concerns the origin and provenance of the goods
............

Are they from reject batches, old and defective stock sold at auction
or
maybe goods stolen from shops or warehouses ??

I agree!
I made the mistake of buying some Lithium batteries from an eBay
seller.
Good feedback & all. About half the price of the same batteries
available
here. Same 'quality' brand just a lot cheaper. Over half of them were
no
good. Very boring indeed. Probably a reject batch sold off cheap.
NEVER AGAIN!


That's exactly the reason I've avoided Ebay and bought from normal
outlets. If you get something from DSE which is defective, you just
take
it back and the drones will replace it on the spot.
One of my mates bought a used digital camera for me on Ebay. When I
got it, it was just the camera with none of its accessories (e.g. USB
cable), not even its soft case, and it was full of rock concert photos.
Almost like the seller grabbed it while the owner wasn't looking then
sold
it.
OK, maybe I'm cynical ...

eBay has its pros and cons,

** Yep - eBay is chock full of PRO- fessional CON- artists !!

just like shopping at DSE and almost every
other place does.

** Asinine & criminally FALSE BOLLOCKS !!!!!!!!!!!!

The usual rules of common sense apply.

** ROTFLMAO !!

Congenitally fucked in the head arseholes like " Jones the Jerkoff "
possess not ONE OUNCE of common sense.

As for DSE, they may be a "reputable" dealer, but they have been known
more than once to sell (probably unknowingly) shonky products and fake
parts etc. They'll happily buy from the lowest cost asian wholesaler
no questions asked, just like many of the Ebay sellers do.

** UTTERLY false comparison with the criminal scum that infests eBay.

In the case of the original Ebay charger I quoted, the risk is very
low indeed.

** BOLLOCKS !!!!!!!!!

All the good signs are there - It's an Australian seller,
feedback is high and good,

** Only been selling for ONE month.

The feedback is TOTALLY WORTHLESS far as the provenance of the goods is
concerned.

The price difference is TINY.

It ain't worth taking any risk whatever.




......... Phil

 

[David L. Jones]

On Jan 21, 5:51 pm, "Bristan" <none @none.com.au> wrote:

"Bob Parker" <bobp.deletet...@bluebottle.com> wrote in message

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On 21/01/2008 10:28 Angelo Sartore wrote:
"Phil Allison"
The BIG Q concerns the origin and provenance of the goods ............

Are they from reject batches, old and defective stock sold at auction or
maybe goods stolen from shops or warehouses ??

I agree!
I made the mistake of buying some Lithium batteries from an eBay seller.
Good feedback & all. About half the price of the same batteries available
here. Same 'quality' brand just a lot cheaper. Over half of them were no
good. Very boring indeed. Probably a reject batch sold off cheap.
NEVER AGAIN!

Angelo Sartore

Melbourne
AUSTRALIA

ADOPT, ADAPT, INVENT, DESTROY !

That's exactly the reason I've avoided Ebay and bought from normal
outlets. If you get something from DSE which is defective, you just take
it back and the drones will replace it on the spot.
One of my mates bought a used digital camera for me on Ebay. When I
got it, it was just the camera with none of its accessories (e.g. USB
cable), not even its soft case, and it was full of rock concert photos.
Almost like the seller grabbed it while the owner wasn't looking then sold
it.
OK, maybe I'm cynical ...

Bob

Mate, Dick Smith has in their catalogue 256mb pc 133 sdram for $136
I just purchased the same on ebay for $8
It is out of another computer but is working just fine.
How could you knock that??

You can't really.
eBay has its pros and cons, just like shopping at DSE and almost every
other place does.
The usual rules of common sense apply.
Like buying a 2nd hand camera and being surprised when it doesn't come
with the accessories (I know it's not Bob's fault as he didn't buy
it).
Or buying batteries at "too good to be true" prices, and being
surprised when they are crap.
Or buying a new $1000 camera for $100 from someone in asia with a
feedback rating of two and being surprised when it doesn't turn up.
etc etc.

As for DSE, they may be a "reputable" dealer, but they have been known
more than once to sell (probably unknowingly) shonky products and fake
parts etc. They'll happily buy from the lowest cost asian wholesaler
no questions asked, just like many of the Ebay sellers do.

In the case of the original Ebay charger I quoted, the risk is very
low indeed. All the good signs are there - It's an Australian seller,
feedback is high and good, looks like it comes in the original sealed
package, it's not a one-off, seller appears to specialise in selling
all things Energizer, and the price is not so low as to make it sound
like it's "too good to be true". All the hallmarks of a genuine
product being sold on eBay at a good price that undercuts the biggies.

Of course, in some cases it's actually cheaper to buy at DSE than
eBay. Not everything on eBay is chepaer than the big dealers.

Dave.

 

[Peter Parker]

"Michael C" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message
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"Phil Allison" <philallison@tpg.com.au> wrote in message
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You may find good deals on NiMH cell / charger combos at Woollies and
Coles supermarkets and places like K-Mart too.

I have seen the same ones (energised) at coles, I check the price next
time I'm there. The other thing I didn't think of was converting it to
LED, something I should investigate.

A month or so ago Woolies had a charger & 4 x 2500mAH Engergisers for $20
(usual price $25).

I've been very happy with them, though the batteries get a little warm in
the charger and I don't know
if the cut-off works.

Just watch the mAH ratings on the batteries supplied - Duracell does a
similar deal but the 4 batteries
supplied in their chargers are less (1800 mA/H?) than those available
seperately (2650 mA/H). A trap
if you don't read the writing!

 

[Phil Allison]

"Peter Parker"

A month or so ago Woolies had a charger & 4 x 2500mAH Engergisers for $20
(usual price $25).

I've been very happy with them, though the batteries get a little warm in
the charger and I don't know if the cut-off works.

** Very likely the charger uses the rise in temp of the cells to trigger the
end of charge.

Bout the only way to quick charge NiMH cells since the terminal voltage
does not peak nicely like NiCds do.




......... Phil

 

[David L. Jones]

On Jan 21, 8:03 pm, "Peter Parker" <park...@alphalink.com.au> wrote:

"Michael C" <nos...@nospam.com> wrote in message

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"Phil Allison" <philalli...@tpg.com.au> wrote in message
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You may find good deals on NiMH cell / charger combos at Woollies and
Coles supermarkets and places like K-Mart too.

I have seen the same ones (energised) at coles, I check the price next
time I'm there. The other thing I didn't think of was converting it to
LED, something I should investigate.

A month or so ago Woolies had a charger & 4 x 2500mAH Engergisers for $20
(usual price $25).

Coles also usually carry a range of Energizer and Duracell chargers,
not sure of the price though. But all the ones I have seen there are
the 10-12hour "slow charge" type.

Dave.

 

[John Tserkezis]

Phil Allison wrote:

I've been very happy with them, though the batteries get a little warm in
the charger and I don't know if the cut-off works.

** Very likely the charger uses the rise in temp of the cells to trigger the
end of charge.

Bout the only way to quick charge NiMH cells since the terminal voltage
does not peak nicely like NiCds do.

Sure, dT works nicely (IMO the preferred way), however, I have yet to see a
typical charger (that you buy from your local KMart or such) do it this way.

Temperature sensing is more difficult to handle, since you need to sense
each cell, and have it stay in the cradle and have a temperature sensor press
against it at the same time.

What they do instead is use a modified dV dt method that turns off once the
voltage tapers off enough instead of waiting for it to go back down again.

In fact, the only charger I've seen with temperature sensing is my portable
EPROM programmer. But those cells are built-in, not free-floating AA's.

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[Bob Parker]

rowan194 wrote:

BTW, unless they've improved remarkably in the past couple of years,
the Energiser cells seem to have a very high self-discharge rate. If
you charge them before use it's fine, but if your usage is more
spontaneous (or sparse) then you'll probably be better off with
another brand.

I agree. I've just had one Energizer 2.5AH NiMH cell in a pair go
completely flat a couple of weeks after it was charged and with almost
no use, while its companion stayed almost fully charged.
I've had this problem with those cells before. They were often
self-discharging at about 25% per *day*. I've been replacing them with
Duracell 2.65AH NiMH from Coles which have been excellent so far.


Bob

 

[rowan194]

On Jan 20, 6:26 pm, kreed <kenreed1...@gmail.com> wrote:

If you are concerned about the ebay seller - pay with paypal on your
CREDIT CARD. if the item doesnt come, contact the card company and
they will credit you, after checking your claim

You should be made aware that this will initiate a chargeback against
Paypal, not the seller. You risk having your account closed since PP
have to pay the fees associated with the chargeback (which is
something like $US30, plus they get penalised if their chargeback
ratio goes too high).

The credit card company doesn't care that Paypal are a man in the
middle service, as far as they are concerned Paypal is the merchant
that you made the purchase with...

BTW, unless they've improved remarkably in the past couple of years,
the Energiser cells seem to have a very high self-discharge rate. If
you charge them before use it's fine, but if your usage is more
spontaneous (or sparse) then you'll probably be better off with
another brand. I tried the cheapie brand "Ritmo" (purchased from MSY
Computers) several months ago and have been very happy with their
performance.

 

[Phil Allison]

"rowan194"

Gotta be something amiss there, they look like an identical product.

S4423 - Charger by itself, $69.99
S4423P - Charger with bonus batteries "valued at $9.99", $94.98

So you're paying an extra $24.99 to get some "free" batteries that are
worth $9.99?

** Yep - someone screwed up the pricing all right.




..... Phil

 

[rowan194]

On Jan 20, 2:06 pm, "David L. Jones" <altz...@gmail.com> wrote:

On Jan 20, 9:16 am, "Phil Allison" <philalli...@tpg.com.au> wrote:
** No it is not.

http://www.dse.com.au/cgi-bin/dse.storefront/4792754a03926160273fc0a8...

Ah, they are charging a fortune for the "bonus" batteries then, that's
the one I looked at as it was the product number in your original link
(S4423P):http://www.dse.com.au/cgi-bin/dse.storefront/4792b8d7061ec0ce2740c0a8...
$95

not the $70 S4423 you posted this time.

Gotta be something amiss there, they look like an identical product.

S4423 - Charger by itself, $69.99
S4423P - Charger with bonus batteries "valued at $9.99", $94.98

So you're paying an extra $24.99 to get some "free" batteries that are
worth $9.99?

 

[Phil Allison]

"rowan194"

BTW, unless they've improved remarkably in the past couple of years,
the Energiser cells seem to have a very high self-discharge rate. If
you charge them before use it's fine, but if your usage is more
spontaneous (or sparse) then you'll probably be better off with
another brand. I tried the cheapie brand "Ritmo" (purchased from MSY
Computers) several months ago and have been very happy with their
performance.

** Dunno about the " Energiser " brand NiMH AAs - but a pair of DSE
brand 2000 mAh cells I bought about 10 months ago for my digital camera are
going just fine.

Must be some kind parallel there with pedigreed v. moggies - I guess.




......... Phil

 

[Bob Parker]

Phil Allison wrote:

** Dunno about the " Energiser " brand NiMH AAs - but a pair of DSE
brand 2000 mAh cells I bought about 10 months ago for my digital camera are
going just fine.

Must be some kind parallel there with pedigreed v. moggies - I guess.



........ Phil

I researched this a while ago. It's claimed that the Energizers are
rebadged Sanyos.
There's a long user comment about them at
http://www.amazon.com/review/R2UW60Y48A0V70/ref=cm_cr_rdp_perm/ and my
experience with them has been the same as the reviewer's.
They're good for maybe 6 months after purchase, then the
self-discharge rate suddenly increases and keeps increasing until
they're unusable.

Bob

 

[Phil Allison]

"Bob Parker"
Phil Allison wrote:

** Dunno about the " Energiser " brand NiMH AAs - but a pair of DSE
brand 2000 mAh cells I bought about 10 months ago for my digital camera
are going just fine.

Must be some kind parallel there with pedigreed v. moggies - I guess.


I researched this a while ago. It's claimed that the Energizers are
rebadged Sanyos.
There's a long user comment about them at
http://www.amazon.com/review/R2UW60Y48A0V70/ref=cm_cr_rdp_perm/ and my
experience with them has been the same as the reviewer's.

** Interesting link.

Lucky I steered clear of Energiser NiMH cells.



...... Phil

 

[kreed]

On Jan 20, 10:50 pm, "Michael C" <nos...@nospam.com> wrote:

"Phil Allison" <philalli...@tpg.com.au> wrote in message

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** They do exist, but are not easy to find and may well suffer serious
drawbacks compared to the more common 2 & 2.5 Ah types - ie they are
not compatible with 1 hr fast charging.

Engineering is all about making trade offs and what makes the best trade
off for each particular application.

BTW

You may find good deals on NiMH cell / charger combos at Woollies and
Coles supermarkets and places like K-Mart too.

I have seen the same ones (energised) at coles, I check the price next time
I'm there. The other thing I didn't think of was converting it to LED,
something I should investigate.

Michael

Also check Australia post, our local post office shop
had that same charger/battery combo pack there and Im sure it was only
about $60.

 

[Michael C]

"kreed" <kenreed1999@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Also check Australia post, our local post office shop
had that same charger/battery combo pack there and Im sure it was only
about $60.

Thanks for all the replies. Looks like duracell are the go, I'll see what I
can find.

I was thinking my batteries were fairly new but when I think about it
they're at least 2 years old.
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