Two GPUs, one way more power efficient? How?...

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Commander Kinsey

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https://www.techpowerup.com/gpu-specs/radeon-r9-280x.c2398
https://www.techpowerup.com/gpu-specs/radeon-r9-nano.c2735

Both the same process size.
Second one double pretty much everything. Yet way less power consumption? How is this possible?
 
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Paul

Guest
On 4/19/2022 4:59 PM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
https://www.techpowerup.com/gpu-specs/radeon-r9-280x.c2398
https://www.techpowerup.com/gpu-specs/radeon-r9-nano.c2735

Both the same process size.
Second one double pretty much everything.
Yet way less power consumption?
How is this possible?

TSMC has more than one 28nm process.

https://www.techinsights.com/blog/review-tsmc-28-nm-process-technology

HP HPM HPL LP
0.85 0.9 1.0 1.05V

TechInsight is the company that used to dip chips in
acid, remove the outer layers, and use an electron microscope
on what is inside. They would sometimes provide tech data
for patent enforcement cases in court (\"you stole my
ring oscillator!\").

Paul
 
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Commander Kinsey

Guest
On Wed, 20 Apr 2022 00:31:38 +0100, Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote:

On 4/19/2022 4:59 PM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
https://www.techpowerup.com/gpu-specs/radeon-r9-280x.c2398
https://www.techpowerup.com/gpu-specs/radeon-r9-nano.c2735

Both the same process size.
Second one double pretty much everything.
Yet way less power consumption?
How is this possible?

TSMC has more than one 28nm process.

https://www.techinsights.com/blog/review-tsmc-28-nm-process-technology

HP HPM HPL LP
0.85 0.9 1.0 1.05V

A summary would be nice :)

TechInsight is the company that used to dip chips in
acid, remove the outer layers, and use an electron microscope
on what is inside. They would sometimes provide tech data
for patent enforcement cases in court (\"you stole my
ring oscillator!\").

Capitalist bastards. Inventions should be for the good of mankind.
 
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Joel

Guest
\"Commander Kinsey\" <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:

Capitalist bastards. Inventions should be for the good of mankind.

Is that your rationale for pirating software?

--
Joel Crump
 
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Commander Kinsey

Guest
On Wed, 20 Apr 2022 00:42:53 +0100, Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote:

\"Commander Kinsey\" <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:

Capitalist bastards. Inventions should be for the good of mankind.

Is that your rationale for pirating software?

No, two other reasons:

1) I don\'t give a shit.
2) If I couldn\'t pirate it and couldn\'t afford it then I wouldn\'t buy it anyway, so I\'m not costing them anything.

Stop being a fucking goody two shoes and get with the rest of the world! Do you know how many million people use piratebay? Do you know how many people used my illegal FTP server for films which weren\'t even out yet at my work\'s expense? Fuck off.
 
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Commander Kinsey

Guest
On Wed, 20 Apr 2022 00:42:53 +0100, Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote:

\"Commander Kinsey\" <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:

Capitalist bastards. Inventions should be for the good of mankind.

Is that your rationale for pirating software?

Aren\'t you the guy who pirated windows until he got caught out? Goose gander something or other....
 
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Joel

Guest
\"Commander Kinsey\" <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:

Capitalist bastards. Inventions should be for the good of mankind.

Is that your rationale for pirating software?

Aren\'t you the guy who pirated windows until he got caught out? Goose gander something or other....

I\'m the guy who took the harsh punishment, for casually copying (which
is distinct from warez) Windows XP, like a man, 20 years ago and
counting. You\'re the guy who\'s still making excuses for his
cheapskate selfishness.

--
Joel Crump
 
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Commander Kinsey

Guest
On Wed, 20 Apr 2022 01:01:53 +0100, Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote:

\"Commander Kinsey\" <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:

Capitalist bastards. Inventions should be for the good of mankind.

Is that your rationale for pirating software?

Aren\'t you the guy who pirated windows until he got caught out? Goose gander something or other....

I\'m the guy who took the harsh punishment, for casually copying (which
is distinct from warez) Windows XP, like a man, 20 years ago and
counting. You\'re the guy who\'s still making excuses for his
cheapskate selfishness.

As I thought, you broke your own rule, so you have no right to tell me I\'m wrong.

\"Casually copying\" is your way of saying \"warez\". You did the same as me, so shut the fuck up.
 
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%

Guest
On 2022-04-19 5:04 p.m., Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Wed, 20 Apr 2022 01:01:53 +0100, Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote:

\"Commander Kinsey\" <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:

Capitalist bastards.  Inventions should be for the good of mankind.

Is that your rationale for pirating software?

Aren\'t you the guy who pirated windows until he got caught out?
Goose gander something or other....

I\'m the guy who took the harsh punishment, for casually copying (which
is distinct from warez) Windows XP, like a man, 20 years ago and
counting.  You\'re the guy who\'s still making excuses for his
cheapskate selfishness.

As I thought, you broke your own rule, so you have no right to tell me
I\'m wrong.

\"Casually copying\" is your way of saying \"warez\".  You did the same as
me, so shut the fuck up.

hi
 
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Joel

Guest
\"Commander Kinsey\" <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:

Capitalist bastards. Inventions should be for the good of mankind.

Is that your rationale for pirating software?

Aren\'t you the guy who pirated windows until he got caught out? Goose gander something or other....

I\'m the guy who took the harsh punishment, for casually copying (which
is distinct from warez) Windows XP, like a man, 20 years ago and
counting. You\'re the guy who\'s still making excuses for his
cheapskate selfishness.

As I thought, you broke your own rule, so you have no right to tell me I\'m wrong.

\"Casually copying\" is your way of saying \"warez\". You did the same as me, so shut the fuck up.

Wrong. My mom bought a retail copy of the WinXP upgrade, and we
installed it on two computers *very briefly*, because of the problems
we encountered. I ended up buying *another* copy. When did you
correct your error for using *actual* warez, by paying for a license?
Answer: not to date, and given your callous attitude, probably never.

--
Joel Crump
 
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Commander Kinsey

Guest
On Wed, 20 Apr 2022 01:15:14 +0100, Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote:

\"Commander Kinsey\" <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:

Capitalist bastards. Inventions should be for the good of mankind.

Is that your rationale for pirating software?

Aren\'t you the guy who pirated windows until he got caught out? Goose gander something or other....

I\'m the guy who took the harsh punishment, for casually copying (which
is distinct from warez) Windows XP, like a man, 20 years ago and
counting. You\'re the guy who\'s still making excuses for his
cheapskate selfishness.

As I thought, you broke your own rule, so you have no right to tell me I\'m wrong.

\"Casually copying\" is your way of saying \"warez\". You did the same as me, so shut the fuck up.

Wrong. My mom

Mum. Mom sounds like a 6 year old. How do you pronounce \"mother\"?

bought a retail copy of the WinXP upgrade, and we
installed it on two computers *very briefly*,

You broke the rules. You are a pirate, welcome to the club.

\"I only went over the speed limit briefly\" is no excuse. Moron.

because of the problems
we encountered. I ended up buying *another* copy. When did you
correct your error for using *actual* warez, by paying for a license?
Answer: not to date, and given your callous attitude, probably never.

Why should I? I save thousands. I scoff at your stupidity paying for what you don\'t have to. I enjoy the extra cash not wasted on software. You are paying for my software. You lose. Thanks for making my life more fun.
 
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Commander Kinsey

Guest
On Wed, 20 Apr 2022 01:07:35 +0100, % <pursent100@gmail.com> wrote:

On 2022-04-19 5:04 p.m., Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Wed, 20 Apr 2022 01:01:53 +0100, Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote:

\"Commander Kinsey\" <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:

Capitalist bastards. Inventions should be for the good of mankind.

Is that your rationale for pirating software?

Aren\'t you the guy who pirated windows until he got caught out?
Goose gander something or other....

I\'m the guy who took the harsh punishment, for casually copying (which
is distinct from warez) Windows XP, like a man, 20 years ago and
counting. You\'re the guy who\'s still making excuses for his
cheapskate selfishness.

As I thought, you broke your own rule, so you have no right to tell me
I\'m wrong.

\"Casually copying\" is your way of saying \"warez\". You did the same as
me, so shut the fuck up.

hi

Are you chatting me up again?
 
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Joel

Guest
\"Commander Kinsey\" <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:

Capitalist bastards. Inventions should be for the good of mankind.

Is that your rationale for pirating software?

Aren\'t you the guy who pirated windows until he got caught out? Goose gander something or other....

I\'m the guy who took the harsh punishment, for casually copying (which
is distinct from warez) Windows XP, like a man, 20 years ago and
counting. You\'re the guy who\'s still making excuses for his
cheapskate selfishness.

As I thought, you broke your own rule, so you have no right to tell me I\'m wrong.

\"Casually copying\" is your way of saying \"warez\". You did the same as me, so shut the fuck up.

Wrong. My mom

Mum. Mom sounds like a 6 year old. How do you pronounce \"mother\"?

You\'re in the UK, I\'m not. I\'m aware you say \"mum\", there. I\'m not
there.


bought a retail copy of the WinXP upgrade, and we
installed it on two computers *very briefly*,

You broke the rules. You are a pirate, welcome to the club.

I had never had a problem doing that when we bought the Win98 upgrade.
They got more aggressive about it when XP came out. I learned from
that, like a mature person, even though what they did to my mom\'s
laptop was fucked up. And I did end up buying another copy. You,
however, are shameless about your piracy.


\"I only went over the speed limit briefly\" is no excuse. Moron.

We aren\'t talking about speeding. No one thinks that a driver is
going to flawlessly follow every minute detail of traffic law. It
wouldn\'t even be possible to.


because of the problems
we encountered. I ended up buying *another* copy. When did you
correct your error for using *actual* warez, by paying for a license?
Answer: not to date, and given your callous attitude, probably never.

Why should I? I save thousands. I scoff at your stupidity paying for what you don\'t have to. I enjoy the extra cash not wasted on software. You are paying for my software. You lose. Thanks for making my life more fun.

And there it is. You are shameless.

--
Joel Crump
 
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%

Guest
On 2022-04-19 5:30 p.m., Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Wed, 20 Apr 2022 01:07:35 +0100, % <pursent100@gmail.com> wrote:

On 2022-04-19 5:04 p.m., Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Wed, 20 Apr 2022 01:01:53 +0100, Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote:

\"Commander Kinsey\" <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:

Capitalist bastards.  Inventions should be for the good of mankind.

Is that your rationale for pirating software?

Aren\'t you the guy who pirated windows until he got caught out?
Goose gander something or other....

I\'m the guy who took the harsh punishment, for casually copying (which
is distinct from warez) Windows XP, like a man, 20 years ago and
counting.  You\'re the guy who\'s still making excuses for his
cheapskate selfishness.

As I thought, you broke your own rule, so you have no right to tell me
I\'m wrong.

\"Casually copying\" is your way of saying \"warez\".  You did the same as
me, so shut the fuck up.

hi

Are you chatting me up again?

you remind me of the deb downstairs in the window
 
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Chris

Guest
Why should I? I save thousands. I scoff at your stupidity paying for
what you don\'t have to. I enjoy the extra cash not wasted on software.

No you don\'t. You said yourself you wouldn\'t pay for it even if you
couldn\'t pirate it.

So you\'re saving nothing.
 
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Commander Kinsey

Guest
On Wed, 20 Apr 2022 10:27:48 +0100, Martin Brown <\'\'\'newspam\'\'\'@nonad.co.uk> wrote:

On 20/04/2022 00:31, Paul wrote:
On 4/19/2022 4:59 PM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
https://www.techpowerup.com/gpu-specs/radeon-r9-280x.c2398
https://www.techpowerup.com/gpu-specs/radeon-r9-nano.c2735

Both the same process size.
Second one double pretty much everything. Yet way less power
consumption? How is this possible?

TSMC has more than one 28nm process.

https://www.techinsights.com/blog/review-tsmc-28-nm-process-technology

HP HPM HPL LP
0.85 0.9 1.0 1.05V

TechInsight is the company that used to dip chips in
acid, remove the outer layers, and use an electron microscope
on what is inside. They would sometimes provide tech data
for patent enforcement cases in court (\"you stole my
ring oscillator!\").

The people who I knew doing that sort of chip reverse engineering work
tended to be using an imaging Cameca ion probe system and plasma etch.
It can not just image the surface but also the dopants all the way down.

Limited field of view so you have to choose wisely or wreck several
chips. I was never really convinced it was ethical but it was certainly
profitable for the players that had perfected the technique.

https://www.cameca.com/products/sims/nanosims

It is interesting that the makers don\'t list this usage in their
application notes although it isn\'t dissimilar to geological specimens.

Fuck ethics, do good for all and make better stuff.
 
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Commander Kinsey

Guest
On Wed, 20 Apr 2022 02:34:30 +0100, % <pursent100@gmail.com> wrote:

On 2022-04-19 5:30 p.m., Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Wed, 20 Apr 2022 01:07:35 +0100, % <pursent100@gmail.com> wrote:

On 2022-04-19 5:04 p.m., Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Wed, 20 Apr 2022 01:01:53 +0100, Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote:

\"Commander Kinsey\" <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:

Capitalist bastards. Inventions should be for the good of mankind.

Is that your rationale for pirating software?

Aren\'t you the guy who pirated windows until he got caught out?
Goose gander something or other....

I\'m the guy who took the harsh punishment, for casually copying (which
is distinct from warez) Windows XP, like a man, 20 years ago and
counting. You\'re the guy who\'s still making excuses for his
cheapskate selfishness.

As I thought, you broke your own rule, so you have no right to tell me
I\'m wrong.

\"Casually copying\" is your way of saying \"warez\". You did the same as
me, so shut the fuck up.

hi

Are you chatting me up again?

you remind me of the deb downstairs in the window

What\'s a deb?
 
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Anthony William Sloman

Guest
On Wednesday, April 20, 2022 at 6:59:43 AM UTC+10, Commander Kinsey wrote:
https://www.techpowerup.com/gpu-specs/radeon-r9-280x.c2398
https://www.techpowerup.com/gpu-specs/radeon-r9-nano.c2735

Both the same process size.
Second one double pretty much everything. Yet way less power consumption? How is this possible?

The first one dates from 2013 and has half the silicon area and half the number of transistors.

It is clearly a different design from the second one dated 2015. If you\'ve got more transistors to play with you can do more complicated stuff, and some of that was presumably devoted to reducing the power consumption. Guessing exactly what anybody might be doing with a couple of billion transistors would be rather like trying to work out how a human being works by looking at the three billion discrete elements in the human genome.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney
 
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Commander Kinsey

Guest
On Wed, 20 Apr 2022 01:47:34 +0100, Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote:

\"Commander Kinsey\" <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:

Capitalist bastards. Inventions should be for the good of mankind.

Is that your rationale for pirating software?

Aren\'t you the guy who pirated windows until he got caught out? Goose gander something or other....

I\'m the guy who took the harsh punishment, for casually copying (which
is distinct from warez) Windows XP, like a man, 20 years ago and
counting. You\'re the guy who\'s still making excuses for his
cheapskate selfishness.

As I thought, you broke your own rule, so you have no right to tell me I\'m wrong.

\"Casually copying\" is your way of saying \"warez\". You did the same as me, so shut the fuck up.

Wrong. My mom

Mum. Mom sounds like a 6 year old. How do you pronounce \"mother\"?

You\'re in the UK, I\'m not. I\'m aware you say \"mum\", there. I\'m not
there.

Again, how do you pronounce \"mother\"?

bought a retail copy of the WinXP upgrade, and we
installed it on two computers *very briefly*,

You broke the rules. You are a pirate, welcome to the club.

I had never had a problem doing that when we bought the Win98 upgrade.
They got more aggressive about it when XP came out. I learned from
that, like a mature person, even though what they did to my mom\'s
laptop was fucked up. And I did end up buying another copy. You,
however, are shameless about your piracy.

You stopped pirating not because you thought it was wrong, but because you got caught, that\'s pathetic.

\"I only went over the speed limit briefly\" is no excuse. Moron.

We aren\'t talking about speeding. No one thinks that a driver is
going to flawlessly follow every minute detail of traffic law. It
wouldn\'t even be possible to.

Speeding could kill (no I don\'t believe that but a lot do), pirating windows could not.

because of the problems
we encountered. I ended up buying *another* copy. When did you
correct your error for using *actual* warez, by paying for a license?
Answer: not to date, and given your callous attitude, probably never.

Why should I? I save thousands. I scoff at your stupidity paying for what you don\'t have to. I enjoy the extra cash not wasted on software. You are paying for my software. You lose. Thanks for making my life more fun.

And there it is. You are shameless.

Your point being?
 
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Joel

Guest
\"Commander Kinsey\" <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:

\"Casually copying\" is your way of saying \"warez\". You did the same as me, so shut the fuck up.

Wrong. My mom

Mum. Mom sounds like a 6 year old. How do you pronounce \"mother\"?

You\'re in the UK, I\'m not. I\'m aware you say \"mum\", there. I\'m not
there.

Again, how do you pronounce \"mother\"?

That means nothing. I\'m not in the same country, there are
differences in the way people typically speak.


bought a retail copy of the WinXP upgrade, and we
installed it on two computers *very briefly*,

You broke the rules. You are a pirate, welcome to the club.

I had never had a problem doing that when we bought the Win98 upgrade.
They got more aggressive about it when XP came out. I learned from
that, like a mature person, even though what they did to my mom\'s
laptop was fucked up. And I did end up buying another copy. You,
however, are shameless about your piracy.

You stopped pirating not because you thought it was wrong, but because you got caught, that\'s pathetic.

That is not entirely true, actually. Once I realized that Microsoft
was going to enforce the one device rule, I accepted that, and
continued using their product, buying another copy, because I learned
from it. When did you ever buy your copy?


\"I only went over the speed limit briefly\" is no excuse. Moron.

We aren\'t talking about speeding. No one thinks that a driver is
going to flawlessly follow every minute detail of traffic law. It
wouldn\'t even be possible to.

Speeding could kill (no I don\'t believe that but a lot do), pirating windows could not.

You could kill someone below the speed limit, too, it\'s called not
being reckless and losing control of the car. That\'s where the most
accident deaths come from, is when people drive like a complete idiot
and the car doesn\'t keep up with their shitty operating.


because of the problems
we encountered. I ended up buying *another* copy. When did you
correct your error for using *actual* warez, by paying for a license?
Answer: not to date, and given your callous attitude, probably never.

Why should I? I save thousands. I scoff at your stupidity paying for what you don\'t have to. I enjoy the extra cash not wasted on software. You are paying for my software. You lose. Thanks for making my life more fun.

And there it is. You are shameless.

Your point being?

My point is that you seem to think it\'s like a game. You think that
Microsoft is this corporate entity to be taken advantage of, because
you\'re the little guy, but in reality, if no one paid for software,
you\'d be stuck with only free software. You\'re trying to have it both
ways.

--
Joel Crump
 

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