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Pretty weird data sheet.

http://www.ti.com/general/docs/suppproductinfo.tsp?distId=10&gotoUrl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ti.com%2Flit%2Fgpn%2Ftmp61





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Science teaches us to doubt.

Claude Bernard
 
On 8/14/2020 11:29 AM, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
Pretty weird data sheet.

http://www.ti.com/general/docs/suppproductinfo.tsp?distId=10&gotoUrl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ti.com%2Flit%2Fgpn%2Ftmp61

What do you consider weird about it?
 
On 8/14/2020 11:32 AM, John S wrote:
On 8/14/2020 11:29 AM, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

Pretty weird data sheet.

http://www.ti.com/general/docs/suppproductinfo.tsp?distId=10&gotoUrl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ti.com%2Flit%2Fgpn%2Ftmp61


What do you consider weird about it?

You mean that it is supposed to be linear but the graph shows it is not?
 
On Fri, 14 Aug 2020 11:36:49 -0500, John S <Sophi.2@invalid.org>
wrote:

On 8/14/2020 11:32 AM, John S wrote:
On 8/14/2020 11:29 AM, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

Pretty weird data sheet.

http://www.ti.com/general/docs/suppproductinfo.tsp?distId=10&gotoUrl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ti.com%2Flit%2Fgpn%2Ftmp61


What do you consider weird about it?


You mean that it is supposed to be linear but the graph shows it is not?

A thermistor has an equation. This part has an entire web site.

That is just one of many amusements.



--

John Larkin Highland Technology, Inc

Science teaches us to doubt.

Claude Bernard
 
On 2020-08-14 12:29, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
Pretty weird data sheet.

http://www.ti.com/general/docs/suppproductinfo.tsp?distId=10&gotoUrl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ti.com%2Flit%2Fgpn%2Ftmp61
Came up 404 for me. This worked:
<https://www.ti.com/lit/ds/symlink/tmp61.pdf>.

Who ever heard of an RTD that cared about polarity?

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

--
Dr Philip C D Hobbs
Principal Consultant
ElectroOptical Innovations LLC / Hobbs ElectroOptics
Optics, Electro-optics, Photonics, Analog Electronics
Briarcliff Manor NY 10510

http://electrooptical.net
http://hobbs-eo.com
 
On Fri, 14 Aug 2020 13:11:15 -0400, Phil Hobbs
<pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> wrote:

On 2020-08-14 12:29, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

Pretty weird data sheet.

http://www.ti.com/general/docs/suppproductinfo.tsp?distId=10&gotoUrl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ti.com%2Flit%2Fgpn%2Ftmp61





Came up 404 for me. This worked:
https://www.ti.com/lit/ds/symlink/tmp61.pdf>.

Who ever heard of an RTD that cared about polarity?

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

Or a linear sensor that needs polynomial correction?

Or putting the proper value resistor in series with a current source?

I\'ll stick to thermistors.
 
On Friday, August 14, 2020 at 10:11:23 AM UTC-7, Phil Hobbs wrote:
On 2020-08-14 12:29, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

Pretty weird data sheet.

https://www.ti.com/lit/ds/symlink/tmp61.pdf>.

Who ever heard of an RTD that cared about polarity?

It does make some sense, though, if you use a doped wafer; the substrate
is connected to one terminal. The tempco effect is like an old TTL process
resistor that was actually a base diffusion retasked for the job. You\'d
be forward-biasing the base-collector equivalent.
 
On 08/14/20 17:56, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Fri, 14 Aug 2020 11:36:49 -0500, John S<Sophi.2@invalid.org
wrote:

On 8/14/2020 11:32 AM, John S wrote:
On 8/14/2020 11:29 AM, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

Pretty weird data sheet.

http://www.ti.com/general/docs/suppproductinfo.tsp?distId=10&gotoUrl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ti.com%2Flit%2Fgpn%2Ftmp61


What do you consider weird about it?


You mean that it is supposed to be linear but the graph shows it is not?

A thermistor has an equation. This part has an entire web site.

That is just one of many amusements.
Looks like a very well characterised and complete data sheet and
pretty linear over short ranges. Depending on target app and cost,
could be an improvement over thermistors, where cheap ones have a
wide tolerance...

Chris
 
On Wed, 26 Aug 2020 14:07:37 +0100, Chris <xxx.syseng.yyy@gfsys.co.uk>
wrote:

On 08/14/20 17:56, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Fri, 14 Aug 2020 11:36:49 -0500, John S<Sophi.2@invalid.org
wrote:

On 8/14/2020 11:32 AM, John S wrote:
On 8/14/2020 11:29 AM, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

Pretty weird data sheet.

http://www.ti.com/general/docs/suppproductinfo.tsp?distId=10&gotoUrl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ti.com%2Flit%2Fgpn%2Ftmp61


What do you consider weird about it?


You mean that it is supposed to be linear but the graph shows it is not?

A thermistor has an equation. This part has an entire web site.

That is just one of many amusements.



Looks like a very well characterised and complete data sheet and
pretty linear over short ranges. Depending on target app and cost,
could be an improvement over thermistors, where cheap ones have a
wide tolerance...

Chris

There are multiple sources for thermistors too.

Lately I\'ve been hanging thermistors on some parts, instead of doing
complex current limiters. A thermistor can be hacked into a MAX809
powerup reset circuit... just shut down the box before something
fries. I\'m thinking that the thermistor equation may allow me to use
two thermistors in parallel. Three would be over the top.



--

John Larkin Highland Technology, Inc

Science teaches us to doubt.

Claude Bernard
 
On 2020-08-26 11:10, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Wed, 26 Aug 2020 14:07:37 +0100, Chris <xxx.syseng.yyy@gfsys.co.uk
wrote:

On 08/14/20 17:56, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Fri, 14 Aug 2020 11:36:49 -0500, John S<Sophi.2@invalid.org
wrote:

On 8/14/2020 11:32 AM, John S wrote:
On 8/14/2020 11:29 AM, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

Pretty weird data sheet.

http://www.ti.com/general/docs/suppproductinfo.tsp?distId=10&gotoUrl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ti.com%2Flit%2Fgpn%2Ftmp61


What do you consider weird about it?


You mean that it is supposed to be linear but the graph shows it is not?

A thermistor has an equation. This part has an entire web site.

That is just one of many amusements.



Looks like a very well characterised and complete data sheet and
pretty linear over short ranges. Depending on target app and cost,
could be an improvement over thermistors, where cheap ones have a
wide tolerance...

Chris

There are multiple sources for thermistors too.

Lately I\'ve been hanging thermistors on some parts, instead of doing
complex current limiters. A thermistor can be hacked into a MAX809
powerup reset circuit... just shut down the box before something
fries. I\'m thinking that the thermistor equation may allow me to use
two thermistors in parallel. Three would be over the top.

Works fine if you don\'t mind some slop. The resistance decreases by
about 3-4% / K, so if only one of the two devices is overheating, the
trip point would be about 20 K hotter than if the two were at equal
temperatures.

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

--
Dr Philip C D Hobbs
Principal Consultant
ElectroOptical Innovations LLC / Hobbs ElectroOptics
Optics, Electro-optics, Photonics, Analog Electronics
Briarcliff Manor NY 10510

http://electrooptical.net
http://hobbs-eo.com
 
On Wed, 26 Aug 2020 13:35:24 -0400, Phil Hobbs
<pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> wrote:

On 2020-08-26 11:10, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Wed, 26 Aug 2020 14:07:37 +0100, Chris <xxx.syseng.yyy@gfsys.co.uk
wrote:

On 08/14/20 17:56, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Fri, 14 Aug 2020 11:36:49 -0500, John S<Sophi.2@invalid.org
wrote:

On 8/14/2020 11:32 AM, John S wrote:
On 8/14/2020 11:29 AM, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

Pretty weird data sheet.

http://www.ti.com/general/docs/suppproductinfo.tsp?distId=10&gotoUrl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ti.com%2Flit%2Fgpn%2Ftmp61


What do you consider weird about it?


You mean that it is supposed to be linear but the graph shows it is not?

A thermistor has an equation. This part has an entire web site.

That is just one of many amusements.



Looks like a very well characterised and complete data sheet and
pretty linear over short ranges. Depending on target app and cost,
could be an improvement over thermistors, where cheap ones have a
wide tolerance...

Chris

There are multiple sources for thermistors too.

Lately I\'ve been hanging thermistors on some parts, instead of doing
complex current limiters. A thermistor can be hacked into a MAX809
powerup reset circuit... just shut down the box before something
fries. I\'m thinking that the thermistor equation may allow me to use
two thermistors in parallel. Three would be over the top.

Works fine if you don\'t mind some slop. The resistance decreases by
about 3-4% / K, so if only one of the two devices is overheating, the
trip point would be about 20 K hotter than if the two were at equal
temperatures.

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

That\'s not bad. Whether to shut down at 90C or 110C is kinda guesswork
anyhow.

This is one case where the horrible thermistor non-linearity is a good
thing.
 

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