So Dissapointing...

If someone here figures out how to do the same thing as my circuit for 10 cents less that\'s great. If someone here explains to me that my thinking about a design has a fundamental misunderstanding, great. But no one can actually give me any believable reason why the US has to suffer so badly with this disease and mismanage the response so poorly. I really, really can\'t understand how anyone of intelligence can be in denial of the simple nature of the disease or how it is spread.

Yet we have several people here who reflect a segment of the population that have totally misjudged the disease and virtually everything connected to it. The same people, even though some of them are in the vulnerable group, suggest we perform our limited isolation of such groups and otherwise let the virus rage.

I was just watching a TV show where the plot includes a government scheme that allows 10,000 people to die and treats it as so horrible thing that it can\'t even be pictured. Yet our government has failed so badly to take effective action against this disease that we are nearing 170,000 dead with literally no end in sight.

I am truly gobsmacked that so many people can be in such a state of denial that they think this is acceptable or even unavoidable.

I don\'t see many in public acting like this is nothing. People wear masks, keep some distance apart (other than in Walmart maybe) and generally seem to be staying at home. I think it is a minority that are willing to go out and risk infection when not essential.

Once the warm weather is over and there is not such an urge to go out people will stay at home. People will not be returning to work in offices any time soon. Children will not be attending classrooms (other than a few idiotic states) this fall. I expect to see the number of infections in the US and western countries in general to see lower infection numbers... until the Christmas shopping starts.

There seems to be a psychological effect that when the infection news is bad people hunker down and when infection news is good people naturally want to relax their guard. So heading into the fall I see numbers dropping and people relaxing enough they start shopping in stores more. This results in more infections and by Christmas we are hunkering down again.

We have very strong urges to live our normal lives. This may be the death of us, or at least quite a few of us.

Until there is a vaccine available I expect to see an average of 4000 deaths a week in the US which is only 200,000 a year. 20 of the TV horrific death count episodes. Heck, we are already well above 50x the 9-11 death toll.. 50x the 1906 San Francisco earthquake. 15x the 1900 Galveston hurricane.. 65x the Pearl Harbor attack. 6x the death toll of Iwo Jima including both sides of the fight.

Until we learn the lessons of microbiology and epidemic spreading the death toll will continue.

--

Rick C.

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On Tuesday, August 11, 2020 at 9:50:11 PM UTC+2, Ricketty C wrote:
If someone here figures out how to do the same thing as my circuit for 10 cents less that\'s great. If someone here explains to me that my thinking about a design has a fundamental misunderstanding, great. But no one can actually give me any believable reason why the US has to suffer so badly with this disease and mismanage the response so poorly. I really, really can\'t understand how anyone of intelligence can be in denial of the simple nature of the disease or how it is spread.

Yet we have several people here who reflect a segment of the population that have totally misjudged the disease and virtually everything connected to it. The same people, even though some of them are in the vulnerable group, suggest we perform our limited isolation of such groups and otherwise let the virus rage.

Yes. It is truly amazing that the situation can be perceived so differently from seemingly intelligent people

On top of that you have a leader of the free world that denies facts and pretends the US is doing great

If you look down on the list of deaths per million cases of all the countries, my eyeballing of the numbers, would indicate about 100ppm for a industrial country. US is at 500ppm, so if the divine leader (Trump, not Kim Jong-un, allthough it\'s easy to mix them up) had acted fast and coordinated with the states in a systematic and intelligent way, at least half could have been saved, +75000 lives

But as Trumps puts it

\"it is what it is\"

Cheers

Klaus
 
On Tue, 11 Aug 2020 14:56:35 -0700 (PDT), Klaus Kragelund
<klauskvik@hotmail.com> wrote:

On Tuesday, August 11, 2020 at 9:50:11 PM UTC+2, Ricketty C wrote:
If someone here figures out how to do the same thing as my circuit for 10 cents less that\'s great. If someone here explains to me that my thinking about a design has a fundamental misunderstanding, great. But no one can actually give me any believable reason why the US has to suffer so badly with this disease and mismanage the response so poorly. I really, really can\'t understand how anyone of intelligence can be in denial of the simple nature of the disease or how it is spread.

Yet we have several people here who reflect a segment of the population that have totally misjudged the disease and virtually everything connected to it. The same people, even though some of them are in the vulnerable group, suggest we perform our limited isolation of such groups and otherwise let the virus rage.

Yes. It is truly amazing that the situation can be perceived so differently from seemingly intelligent people

Right. All those Top Scientists should get organized.

On top of that you have a leader of the free world that denies facts and pretends the US is doing great

By the Worldometer rating, the US is now #10 on the list of per-capita
deaths. Behind Belgium, UK, Spain, Italy, Sweden among others.

The US is huge. Parts got hit hard. Parts are almost untouched. The
PPM death rates vary by over 20:1 in different states.

If you look down on the list of deaths per million cases of all the countries, my eyeballing of the numbers, would indicate about 100ppm for a industrial country.

Belgium is 852. UK, 685. Netherlands 359.

>US is at 500ppm, so if the divine leader (Trump, not Kim Jong-un, allthough it\'s easy to mix them up) had acted fast and coordinated with the states in a systematic and intelligent way, at least half could have been saved, +75000 lives

Spain, 611 PPM dead.

California, 268.

Oregon, 87.
 
On Tuesday, August 11, 2020 at 6:18:41 PM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:
On Tue, 11 Aug 2020 14:56:35 -0700 (PDT), Klaus Kragelund
klauskvik@hotmail.com> wrote:

On Tuesday, August 11, 2020 at 9:50:11 PM UTC+2, Ricketty C wrote:
If someone here figures out how to do the same thing as my circuit for 10 cents less that\'s great. If someone here explains to me that my thinking about a design has a fundamental misunderstanding, great. But no one can actually give me any believable reason why the US has to suffer so badly with this disease and mismanage the response so poorly. I really, really can\'t understand how anyone of intelligence can be in denial of the simple nature of the disease or how it is spread.

Yet we have several people here who reflect a segment of the population that have totally misjudged the disease and virtually everything connected to it. The same people, even though some of them are in the vulnerable group, suggest we perform our limited isolation of such groups and otherwise let the virus rage.

Yes. It is truly amazing that the situation can be perceived so differently from seemingly intelligent people

Right. All those Top Scientists should get organized.


On top of that you have a leader of the free world that denies facts and pretends the US is doing great

By the Worldometer rating, the US is now #10 on the list of per-capita
deaths. Behind Belgium, UK, Spain, Italy, Sweden among others.

The US is huge. Parts got hit hard. Parts are almost untouched. The
PPM death rates vary by over 20:1 in different states.


If you look down on the list of deaths per million cases of all the countries, my eyeballing of the numbers, would indicate about 100ppm for a industrial country.

Belgium is 852. UK, 685. Netherlands 359.

US is at 500ppm, so if the divine leader (Trump, not Kim Jong-un, allthough it\'s easy to mix them up) had acted fast and coordinated with the states in a systematic and intelligent way, at least half could have been saved, +75000 lives

Spain, 611 PPM dead.

California, 268.

Oregon, 87.

Is there something you have to say about these particular numbers??? Anyone? Anyone? Anyone?

Larkin\'s usual crap post. Toss some numbers and let people interpret them for themselves.

Some other posters here do that. They will post a link to something and say nothing about it as if their opinion is perfectly clear.

I guess you can\'t expect much from the denialist crowd. Just drivel about how the disease has petered out here and there.

Stop taking precautions and you will find out it has not petered out. If every location took the same sort of precautions that the areas with low infection rates are doing they would have low infection rates as well.

--

Rick C.

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On 12/08/20 03:16, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
Most people are decent, if you treat them with common sense and
respect.

True.

The perennial problem is what to do about the 10% that aren\'t,
and the 1% that are absolute bastards. If you can simply
avoid those, fine - but if not...
 
On Wednesday, 12 August 2020 at 07:50:44 UTC+1, Tom Gardner wrote:
On 12/08/20 03:16, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
Most people are decent, if you treat them with common sense and
respect.
True.

The perennial problem is what to do about the 10% that aren\'t,
and the 1% that are absolute bastards. If you can simply
avoid those, fine - but if not...

AIUI about 5% of the population is sociopathic or psychopathic.
 
On Wed, 12 Aug 2020 07:50:39 +0100, Tom Gardner
<spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:

On 12/08/20 03:16, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
Most people are decent, if you treat them with common sense and
respect.

True.

The perennial problem is what to do about the 10% that aren\'t,
and the 1% that are absolute bastards. If you can simply
avoid those, fine - but if not...

Some fraction of humanity, mostly males, are thieves, murderers,
rapists, and vandals. I suspect they are born that way, out of pure
genetic diversity. Rape may be a viable reproductive strategy in some
places. 1% is probably about right for the really bad ones. Maybe even
less.

They need to be restrained, or exported to an island, or something. No
amount or talk therapy will stop the worst ones.

The other 9% might be taught to behave, for everyone\'s benefit.




--

John Larkin Highland Technology, Inc

Science teaches us to doubt.

Claude Bernard
 
On Wed, 12 Aug 2020 06:36:20 -0700 (PDT), Tabby <tabbypurr@gmail.com>
wrote:

On Wednesday, 12 August 2020 at 07:50:44 UTC+1, Tom Gardner wrote:
On 12/08/20 03:16, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
Most people are decent, if you treat them with common sense and
respect.
True.

The perennial problem is what to do about the 10% that aren\'t,
and the 1% that are absolute bastards. If you can simply
avoid those, fine - but if not...

AIUI about 5% of the population is sociopathic or psychopathic.

I told Mo that, and she disagreed. She says it\'s 50%.

What surprises me is how well society usually works here, given all
the bad components. I think money is a big part of the control
mechanism.



--

John Larkin Highland Technology, Inc

Science teaches us to doubt.

Claude Bernard
 
On 12/08/20 15:38, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Wed, 12 Aug 2020 07:50:39 +0100, Tom Gardner
spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:

On 12/08/20 03:16, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
Most people are decent, if you treat them with common sense and
respect.

True.

The perennial problem is what to do about the 10% that aren\'t,
and the 1% that are absolute bastards. If you can simply
avoid those, fine - but if not...

Some fraction of humanity, mostly males, are thieves, murderers,
rapists, and vandals. I suspect they are born that way, out of pure
genetic diversity. Rape may be a viable reproductive strategy in some
places. 1% is probably about right for the really bad ones. Maybe even
less.

They need to be restrained, or exported to an island, or something. No
amount or talk therapy will stop the worst ones.

The other 9% might be taught to behave, for everyone\'s benefit.

No society has managed it, yet. Currently China is making
strong attempts to achieve it, but there are just a few
minor disadvantages.


As an aside...

In the UK the age at which you are most likely to be a
homicide victim is under 1yo. The majority of perps are
women.

Not many people notice because
- the feminists howl loudly when you point that out
- it is not classed as murder/manslaughter, but as
infanticide
 
On 8/12/2020 2:50 AM, Tom Gardner wrote:
On 12/08/20 03:16, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
Most people are decent, if you treat them with common sense and
respect.

True.

The perennial problem is what to do about the 10% that aren\'t,
and the 1% that are absolute bastards. If you can simply
avoid those, fine - but if not...

About 50% of Americans are NPD-cases with zero insight into their condition.

I\'ve never met a man like Dwight Eisenhower on Ronald Reagan. I\'ve met
about five hundred Donald Trumps.
 
On 8/12/2020 11:22 AM, Tom Gardner wrote:
On 12/08/20 15:38, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Wed, 12 Aug 2020 07:50:39 +0100, Tom Gardner
spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:

On 12/08/20 03:16, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
Most people are decent, if you treat them with common sense and
respect.

True.

The perennial problem is what to do about the 10% that aren\'t,
and the 1% that are absolute bastards. If you can simply
avoid those, fine - but if not...

Some fraction of humanity, mostly males, are thieves, murderers,
rapists, and vandals. I suspect they are born that way, out of pure
genetic diversity. Rape may be a viable reproductive strategy in some
places. 1% is probably about right for the really bad ones. Maybe even
less.

They need to be restrained, or exported to an island, or something. No
amount or talk therapy will stop the worst ones.

The other 9% might be taught to behave, for everyone\'s benefit.

No society has managed it, yet. Currently China is making
strong attempts to achieve it, but there are just a few
minor disadvantages.


As an aside...

In the UK the age at which you are most likely to be a
homicide victim is under 1yo. The majority of perps are
women.

Not many people notice because
 - the feminists howl loudly when you point that out
 - it is not classed as murder/manslaughter, but as
   infanticide

Not bad, 1 year old is 12 months longer than a lot of Americans give a
shit as to whether a kid is a homicide victim. \"The unborn\" sure are an
easy demographic to defend in the abstract, they don\'t have the ability
to make demands or have their own ideas about anything.

Then at 0 years old the miracle of God\'s plan becomes just another
ghetto bastard.
 
On 8/12/2020 10:38 AM, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Wed, 12 Aug 2020 07:50:39 +0100, Tom Gardner
spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:

On 12/08/20 03:16, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
Most people are decent, if you treat them with common sense and
respect.

True.

The perennial problem is what to do about the 10% that aren\'t,
and the 1% that are absolute bastards. If you can simply
avoid those, fine - but if not...

Some fraction of humanity, mostly males, are thieves, murderers,
rapists, and vandals. I suspect they are born that way, out of pure
genetic diversity. Rape may be a viable reproductive strategy in some
places. 1% is probably about right for the really bad ones. Maybe even
less.

They need to be restrained, or exported to an island, or something. No
amount or talk therapy will stop the worst ones.

The other 9% might be taught to behave, for everyone\'s benefit.

\"Naughty by Nature\", you might say.

<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DoSdfhaMXQU>

\"Just another ghetto bastard. Put him with the rest of the born losers....\"

Yep, the ghetto bastards understand pretty well what a lot of society
thinks about them. Enough to ironically appropriate the name and offer a
rebuttal, even
 
On Tuesday, August 11, 2020 at 10:57:35 PM UTC-4, bitrex wrote:
I\'ve had my fill of \"Real America\" thank you very much - see previous
image link.

Then pack up your panties and move to any country that will have you, and take Joe Biden with you. All you do is whine like a three year old.
 
On 13/08/20 02:10, Michael Terrell wrote:
On Tuesday, August 11, 2020 at 10:57:35 PM UTC-4, bitrex wrote:

I\'ve had my fill of \"Real America\" thank you very much - see previous
image link.

Then pack up your panties and move to any country that will have you, and take Joe Biden with you. All you do is whine like a three year old.

Those that think America has too much government
should pick up their panties and move to a country
with much less government. All they do is whine
like a three year old.
 
On Wed, 12 Aug 2020 18:10:17 -0700 (PDT), Michael Terrell
<terrell.michael.a@gmail.com> wrote:

On Tuesday, August 11, 2020 at 10:57:35 PM UTC-4, bitrex wrote:

I\'ve had my fill of \"Real America\" thank you very much - see previous
image link.

Then pack up your panties and move to any country that will have you, and take Joe Biden with you. All you do is whine like a three year old.

The US is 3.8 million square miles. You can find most any kind of
terrain, weather, jobs, women, and government here, without having to
learn British or Canadian or some other silly foreign language.

If Biden is elected, ignore him. We\'ve survived worse.



--

John Larkin Highland Technology, Inc

Science teaches us to doubt.

Claude Bernard
 
On Thursday, August 13, 2020 at 7:51:25 AM UTC-7, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

> If Biden is elected, ignore him. We\'ve survived worse.

Oh, yeah, WE have, but if graveyards get connected to Usenet,
you\'ll get lots of negative feedback on that!
 
On Thursday, August 13, 2020 at 7:51:25 AM UTC-7, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Wed, 12 Aug 2020 18:10:17 -0700 (PDT), Michael Terrell
terrell....@gmail.com> wrote:

On Tuesday, August 11, 2020 at 10:57:35 PM UTC-4, bitrex wrote:

I\'ve had my fill of \"Real America\" thank you very much - see previous
image link.

Then pack up your panties and move to any country that will have you, and take Joe Biden with you. All you do is whine like a three year old.
The US is 3.8 million square miles. You can find most any kind of
terrain, weather, jobs, women, and government here, without having to
learn British or Canadian or some other silly foreign language.

If Biden is elected, ignore him. We\'ve survived worse.
--

John Larkin Highland Technology, Inc

Science teaches us to doubt.

Claude Bernard

If Dementia Joe is elected you can ignore him but not his handlers who are actually calling the shots.
 
On Fri, 14 Aug 2020 19:46:29 -0700 (PDT), Flyguy
<soar2morrow@yahoo.com> wrote:

On Thursday, August 13, 2020 at 7:51:25 AM UTC-7, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Wed, 12 Aug 2020 18:10:17 -0700 (PDT), Michael Terrell
terrell....@gmail.com> wrote:

On Tuesday, August 11, 2020 at 10:57:35 PM UTC-4, bitrex wrote:

I\'ve had my fill of \"Real America\" thank you very much - see previous
image link.

Then pack up your panties and move to any country that will have you, and take Joe Biden with you. All you do is whine like a three year old.
The US is 3.8 million square miles. You can find most any kind of
terrain, weather, jobs, women, and government here, without having to
learn British or Canadian or some other silly foreign language.

If Biden is elected, ignore him. We\'ve survived worse.
--

John Larkin Highland Technology, Inc

Science teaches us to doubt.

Claude Bernard

If Dementia Joe is elected you can ignore him but not his handlers who are actually calling the shots.

Of course. He\'s the senile figurehead hidden in the basement.



--

John Larkin Highland Technology, Inc

Science teaches us to doubt.

Claude Bernard
 
Tom Gardner wrote:

==================
As an aside...

In the UK the age at which you are most likely to be a
homicide victim is under 1yo. The majority of perps are
women.

** In fact there are no murders.


Not many people notice because
- the feminists howl loudly when you point that out
- it is not classed as murder/manslaughter, but as
infanticide

** Infanticide is rare in the UK, about one infant in 17,000 per year.

Deaths from other causes are at least 50 times higher.


...... Phil
 
On Sunday, 16 August 2020 13:36:14 UTC+1, dca...@krl.org wrote:
On Saturday, August 15, 2020 at 11:44:36 PM UTC-4, Bill Sloman wrote:
On Sunday, August 16, 2020 at 3:25:55 AM UTC+10, dcaster@krl.org wrote:
On Friday, August 14, 2020 at 11:40:20 PM UTC-4, Bill Sloman wrote:
On Saturday, August 15, 2020 at 7:14:32 AM UTC+10, dca...@krl.org wrote:
On Sunday, July 26, 2020 at 12:43:48 AM UTC-4, Bill Sloman wrote:

The US makes a great song and dance about freedom - James Arthur does it here regularly - but in practice if you haven\'t got an income above $538,926 per year to get yourself into the top 1% of the income distribution, you haven\'t got a lot of freedom, and the the people who have incomes above that have got a lot freedom to make your life difficult .

Horse Pucky. No freedom if one makes $ 538,926 per year , but freedom if one makes one penny more.

That\'s not remotely what I was saying, and only a half-wit like Dan would be silly enough to read it that way.
It is a direct quote of your post. It may not be what you meant to say , but it is exactly what you did say.

Only an idiot would post an amount with 6 digits in reference to how much freedom a person has.

Only an idiot would read the precise income that defined the boundary as a precise definition of where the effect of having a high income kicked in.

Only an idiot would WRITE the precise income that defined the boundary as a precise definition of where the effect of having a high income kicked in..


One can be precise about where the top 1% of the income distribution starts. Nobody with any grasp of reality would imagine that there would be a dramatic change in the social environment as you crossed that threshold, and spelling out that it would not constitute a sharp threshold would have been decidedly patronisng. Of course, you had to be told.



Anybody with any grasp of reality would be aware that disposable income - rather than actual income - is what matters to everybody except statisticians, who are fixated on what they can measure easily. Actual income tracks disposable income closely enough to be a useful proxy, but having enough disposable income to have appreciable freedom of action does depend heavily on the cost of the action you want to take to assert your freedom.

A single cent is rarely going to be crucial. What\'s more likely to be crucial is having neighbours and acquaintances who set an example by spending money to assert their freedom. Few people are all that innovative, but most of us are good at copying other peole\'s behaviour.

I really should have snipped this - you clearly didn\'t read it before posting your response - but the fact that you didn\'t bother to read it before you reacted does emphasise that you don\'t think before you post. I\'m getting to think that you don\'t think at all - it\'s all knee-jerk reflex with you.

I am just pointing out that you clearly didn\'t think before posting.

Dan

He never listens to his bs being pointed out. Nothing new.
 

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