Ping Bil Slowman; The global warming hoax reveiled

[Jan Panteltje]

The global warming hoax revealed:
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/21/science/earth/21climate.html?partner=rss&emc=rss

<Quote from that article>
This shows these are people willing to bend rules and
go after other people's reputations in very serious ways,' he said. Spencer
R. Weart, a physicist and historian who is charting the course of research
on global warming, said the hacked material would serve as 'great material
for historians.'
<end quote>

LOL.
Some science!

And that in a leftist newspaper!

 

On Nov 21, 6:54 am, Jan Panteltje <pNaonStpealm...@yahoo.com> wrote:

The global warming hoax revealed:
 http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/21/science/earth/21climate.html?partne....

Quote from that article
This shows these are people willing to bend rules and
go after other people's reputations in very serious ways,' he said. Spencer
R. Weart, a physicist and historian who is charting the course of research
on global warming, said the hacked material would serve as 'great material
for historians.'
end quote

LOL.
Some science!

And that in a leftist newspaper!

Summary:
http://doctorbulldog.wordpress.com/2009/11/20/the-telegraph-picks-up-on-the-hadley-cru-story/

Details:
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/11/19/breaking-news-story-hadley-cru-has-apparently-been-hacked-hundreds-of-files-released/#more-12937

 

[Bill Sloman]

On Nov 21, 2:53 pm, dagmargoodb...@yahoo.com wrote:

On Nov 21, 6:54 am, Jan Panteltje <pNaonStpealm...@yahoo.com> wrote:

The global warming hoax revealed:
 http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/21/science/earth/21climate.html?partne...

Quote from that article
This shows these are people willing to bend rules and
go after other people's reputations in very serious ways,' he said. Spencer
R. Weart, a physicist and historian who is charting the course of research
on global warming, said the hacked material would serve as 'great material
for historians.'
end quote

LOL.
Some science!

And that in a leftist newspaper!

Summary:http://doctorbulldog.wordpress.com/2009/11/20/the-telegraph-picks-up-...

Details:http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/11/19/breaking-news-story-hadley-cru-...

It all depends on your point of view. The leaked e-mails are obviously
open to negative interpretation, and doctorbulldog.wordpress,com is
delivering negative interpretations with enthusiasm.

Their reactions to the distress felt at Hadley about the downfall of
the journal "Climate Research" which has apparently fallen into the
hands of a denialist editor are typical.

Denialist editors have published some very poor papers in the past,
completely skipping peer review in their enthusiasm to get the paper
into the literature (and presumably to collect their bribe from Exxon-
Mobil or some other interested party). Academics intensely dislike
this kind of behaviour which devalues their published work, while
denialist journalists routinely claim that all academics behave like
this, and so docotrbulldogs commentators are predictably
misinterpreting Hadley's distress to imply that previous editor had
been pro-AWG in the same unscrupulous way.

--
Bill Sloman, Nijmegen

 

[Raveninghorde]

On Sat, 21 Nov 2009 05:53:00 -0800 (PST), dagmargoodboat@yahoo.com
wrote:

On Nov 21, 6:54 am, Jan Panteltje <pNaonStpealm...@yahoo.com> wrote:
The global warming hoax revealed:
 http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/21/science/earth/21climate.html?partne...

Quote from that article
This shows these are people willing to bend rules and
go after other people's reputations in very serious ways,' he said. Spencer
R. Weart, a physicist and historian who is charting the course of research
on global warming, said the hacked material would serve as 'great material
for historians.'
end quote

LOL.
Some science!

And that in a leftist newspaper!

Summary:
http://doctorbulldog.wordpress.com/2009/11/20/the-telegraph-picks-up-on-the-hadley-cru-story/

Details:
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/11/19/breaking-news-story-hadley-cru-has-apparently-been-hacked-hundreds-of-files-released/#more-12937

And a search engine for CRU emails

www.anelegantchaos.org/cru/

 

[Jan Panteltje]

On a sunny day (Sat, 21 Nov 2009 09:01:43 -0800 (PST)) it happened Bill Sloman
<bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote in
<9641cb0f-e096-4fd7-acac-7c555184d674@e23g2000yqd.googlegroups.com>:

And that in a leftist newspaper!

Summary:http://doctorbulldog.wordpress.com/2009/11/20/the-telegraph-picks=
-up-...

Details:http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/11/19/breaking-news-story-hadley-=
cru-...

It all depends on your point of view. The leaked e-mails are obviously
open to negative interpretation, and doctorbulldog.wordpress,com is
delivering negative interpretations with enthusiasm.

Their reactions to the distress felt at Hadley about the downfall of
the journal "Climate Research" which has apparently fallen into the
hands of a denialist editor are typical.

Denialist editors have published some very poor papers in the past,
completely skipping peer review in their enthusiasm to get the paper
into the literature (and presumably to collect their bribe from Exxon-
Mobil or some other interested party). Academics intensely dislike
this kind of behaviour which devalues their published work, while
denialist journalists routinely claim that all academics behave like
this, and so docotrbulldogs commentators are predictably
misinterpreting Hadley's distress to imply that previous editor had
been pro-AWG in the same unscrupulous way.

That is certainly an aspect, and a normal reaction from those scientists.
but there is a lot more then that, especially showing how weak and manipulated their data really is.
Ice bears falling from the sky?
Public [opinion] manipulation at its worst.
One can wonder what the real truth is, about temperature, and then again about
what causes it, you know there were, and will be, ice ages, nobody
was having coal plants in the previous one to create CO2 (in the Netherlands they now want to store the CO2
in the ground under my house almost), so, all feeble science.
Sure the oil industry will *perhaps* pull some strings, maybe they even had that uni's server hacked,
but fact remains those cycles in climate have always been there, and we better
have the energy sources to keep us cool or warm, and do away with the for profit global warming hype.
Global warming is becoming almost a religion, where any objective look at it is considered 'evil'.
Al Gore should be locked up.

 

[Raveninghorde]

On Sat, 21 Nov 2009 11:46:02 -0800 (PST), Bill Sloman
<bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote:

On Nov 21, 7:03 pm, Raveninghorde <raveninghorde@invalid> wrote:
On Sat, 21 Nov 2009 05:53:00 -0800 (PST), dagmargoodb...@yahoo.com
wrote:





On Nov 21, 6:54 am, Jan Panteltje <pNaonStpealm...@yahoo.com> wrote:
The global warming hoax revealed:
 http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/21/science/earth/21climate.html?partne...

Quote from that article
This shows these are people willing to bend rules and
go after other people's reputations in very serious ways,' he said. Spencer
R. Weart, a physicist and historian who is charting the course of research
on global warming, said the hacked material would serve as 'great material
for historians.'
end quote

LOL.
Some science!

And that in a leftist newspaper!

Summary:
http://doctorbulldog.wordpress.com/2009/11/20/the-telegraph-picks-up-...

Details:
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/11/19/breaking-news-story-hadley-cru-...

And a search engine for CRU emails

www.anelegantchaos.org/cru/- Hide quoted text -

Ravinghorde is going to be even more of a nuisance than he is at the
moment.

His ignorance is such that he regularly quotes real scientific papers
to support arguments that they actively contradict.

Given a bunch of private e-mails that he can quote out of context, he
can be predicted to find "evidence" for life-time's worth of insane
conspiracy theories.

http://xkcd.com/664/

 

[Bill Sloman]

On Nov 21, 7:53 pm, Jan Panteltje <pNaonStpealm...@yahoo.com> wrote:

On a sunny day (Sat, 21 Nov 2009 09:01:43 -0800 (PST)) it happened Bill Sloman
bill.slo...@ieee.org> wrote in
9641cb0f-e096-4fd7-acac-7c555184d...@e23g2000yqd.googlegroups.com>:







And that in a leftist newspaper!

Summary:http://doctorbulldog.wordpress.com/2009/11/20/the-telegraph-picks> >-up-...

Details:http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/11/19/breaking-news-story-hadley-> >cru-...

It all depends on your point of view. The leaked e-mails are obviously
open to negative interpretation, and doctorbulldog.wordpress,com is
delivering negative interpretations with enthusiasm.

Their reactions to the distress felt at Hadley about the downfall of
the journal "Climate Research" which has apparently fallen into the
hands of a denialist editor are typical.

Denialist editors have published some very poor papers in the past,
completely skipping peer review in their enthusiasm to get the paper
into the literature (and presumably to collect their bribe from Exxon-
Mobil or some other interested party). Academics intensely dislike
this kind of behaviour which devalues their published work, while
denialist journalists routinely claim that all academics behave like
this, and so docotrbulldogs commentators are predictably
misinterpreting Hadley's distress to imply that previous editor had
been pro-AWG in the same unscrupulous way.

That is certainly an aspect, and a normal reaction from those scientists.
but there is a lot more then that, especially showing how weak and manipulated their
data really is.

What makes you think that their data is weak?

Most climate data is manipulated - it wouldn't be comprehensible if it
wasn't - and the scientists involved are constantly comparing their -
necessarily processed - data with other peoples to make sure that the
manipulations are working the way they should be.

The University of Alabama as Hunsville had the responsibility for
manipulating a bunch of satellite data, and they didn't do it very
well for a number of years, but eventually they got their act together
and the current manipulation program - version 5.2 - has brought their
data closer to everybody elses than version 5.1 could manage.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satellite_temperature_measurements

One of the scientists involved - Roy Spencer - has some rather strange
ideas which might have compromised the quality of his work.

Ice bears falling from the sky?

What prompted you to dream that up? And the English translation is
polar bear, not ice-bear.

manipulation at its worst.

Have you ever looked at a denialist web-site with a similarly
sceptical eye?

One can wonder what the real truth is, about temperature, and then again about
what causes it, you know there were, and will be, ice ages, nobody
was having coal plants in the previous one to create CO2 (in the Netherlands they now > want to store the CO2
in the ground under my house almost), so, all feeble science.

People do have a pretty clear idea of how the climate worked during
the ice ages and the interglacials. It was precisely the ice core data
that the dimmer denialists use to justify their denial that persuaded
the scientifically educated that anthropogenic global warming was
plausible.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satellite_temperature_measurements

My sympathy about the CO2 storage under your house. For someone who
knows as little about physics and chemistry as you do, the - entirely
false - analogy with Lake Victoria must be quite worrying. The correct
answer to your anxieties would be learn a bit more about the subject,
rather than trying to stop the experiment, but "not in my back yard"
is a very popular attitiude.

Sure the oil industry will *perhaps* pull some strings, maybe they even had that uni's server hacked,
but fact remains those cycles in climate have always been there, and we better
have the energy sources to keep us cool or warm, and do away with the for profit global warming hype.

We have had a more or less cyclic pattern of ice ages and
interglacials for the past few million years, but this isn't the only
way the earth's climate can vary. The Paleocene-Eocene thermal maximum
some 55.8 million years ago was an episode of run-away global warming
back when the earth was quite a bit warmer - perhaps some 4C waremr
than it is now - and suggest that if we let the earth warm up by
another couple of degrees were might destablise enough methane
clathrate we might be able to enjoy the same sort of 6C spike for some
20,000 years.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paleocene%E2%80%93Eocene_Thermal_Maximum

Global warming is becoming almost a religion, where any objective look at it is considered 'evil'.
Al Gore should be locked up.

Global warming only looks like a religion to people who aren't
equipped to understand the science involved. The denialists who claim
to be taking an "objective" look at the science make such obvious
mistakes that they can't be taken seriously.

--
Bill Sloman, Nijmegen

 

[Bill Sloman]

On Nov 21, 7:03 pm, Raveninghorde <raveninghorde@invalid> wrote:

On Sat, 21 Nov 2009 05:53:00 -0800 (PST), dagmargoodb...@yahoo.com
wrote:





On Nov 21, 6:54 am, Jan Panteltje <pNaonStpealm...@yahoo.com> wrote:
The global warming hoax revealed:
 http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/21/science/earth/21climate.html?partne...

Quote from that article
This shows these are people willing to bend rules and
go after other people's reputations in very serious ways,' he said. Spencer
R. Weart, a physicist and historian who is charting the course of research
on global warming, said the hacked material would serve as 'great material
for historians.'
end quote

LOL.
Some science!

And that in a leftist newspaper!

Summary:
http://doctorbulldog.wordpress.com/2009/11/20/the-telegraph-picks-up-...

Details:
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/11/19/breaking-news-story-hadley-cru-...

And a search engine for CRU emails

www.anelegantchaos.org/cru/- Hide quoted text -

Ravinghorde is going to be even more of a nuisance than he is at the
moment.

His ignorance is such that he regularly quotes real scientific papers
to support arguments that they actively contradict.

Given a bunch of private e-mails that he can quote out of context, he
can be predicted to find "evidence" for life-time's worth of insane
conspiracy theories.

--
Bill Sloman, Nijmegen

 

[Joerg]

Jan Panteltje wrote:

On a sunny day (Sat, 21 Nov 2009 09:01:43 -0800 (PST)) it happened Bill Sloman
bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote in
9641cb0f-e096-4fd7-acac-7c555184d674@e23g2000yqd.googlegroups.com>:
And that in a leftist newspaper!
Summary:http://doctorbulldog.wordpress.com/2009/11/20/the-telegraph-picks=
-up-...
Details:http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/11/19/breaking-news-story-hadley-=
cru-...

It all depends on your point of view. The leaked e-mails are obviously
open to negative interpretation, and doctorbulldog.wordpress,com is
delivering negative interpretations with enthusiasm.

Their reactions to the distress felt at Hadley about the downfall of
the journal "Climate Research" which has apparently fallen into the
hands of a denialist editor are typical.

Denialist editors have published some very poor papers in the past,
completely skipping peer review in their enthusiasm to get the paper
into the literature (and presumably to collect their bribe from Exxon-
Mobil or some other interested party). Academics intensely dislike
this kind of behaviour which devalues their published work, while
denialist journalists routinely claim that all academics behave like
this, and so docotrbulldogs commentators are predictably
misinterpreting Hadley's distress to imply that previous editor had
been pro-AWG in the same unscrupulous way.

That is certainly an aspect, and a normal reaction from those scientists.
but there is a lot more then that, especially showing how weak and manipulated their data really is.
Ice bears falling from the sky?
Public [opinion] manipulation at its worst.
One can wonder what the real truth is, about temperature, and then again about
what causes it, you know there were, and will be, ice ages, nobody
was having coal plants in the previous one to create CO2 (in the Netherlands they now want to store the CO2
in the ground under my house almost), so, all feeble science.

Time to sell? Once this sort of "project" has moved along far enough you
might not be able to, for the price you'd want.

[...]

--
Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com/

"gmail" domain blocked because of excessive spam.
Use another domain or send PM.

 

[Jon Kirwan]

On Sat, 21 Nov 2009 11:54:05 GMT, Jan Panteltje
<pNaonStpealmtje@yahoo.com> wrote:

The global warming hoax revealed:
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/21/science/earth/21climate.html?partner=rss&emc=rss

Quote from that article
This shows these are people willing to bend rules and
go after other people's reputations in very serious ways,' he said. Spencer
R. Weart, a physicist and historian who is charting the course of research
on global warming, said the hacked material would serve as 'great material
for historians.'
end quote

LOL.
Some science!

And that in a leftist newspaper!

The points are addressed in realclimate.org. By Gavin, who is one of
those whose emails were disclosed and others who post there. The
_truer_ feelings that some climate scientists have for some of the
public naysayers are exposed. Oh, well. Too bad.

And absolutely. The hacked material would certainly serve as a great
source of material for historians. Same would be true for recovery of
the more than ten million emails of the last Bush administration that
were "lost."

No leftist considers the NYTimes even close to being in their camp.
It's just that NYTimes will publish opinion pieces from the left and
right, the net balance of which bothers those on the extreme right
(and extreme left, too.) Folks in the middle are less bothered.

Jon

 

[Jan Panteltje]

On a sunny day (Sat, 21 Nov 2009 13:10:31 -0800) it happened Joerg
<invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote in <7mr3a8F3jab6eU3@mid.individual.net>:

One can wonder what the real truth is, about temperature, and then again about
what causes it, you know there were, and will be, ice ages, nobody
was having coal plants in the previous one to create CO2 (in the Netherlands they now want to store the CO2
in the ground under my house almost), so, all feeble science.


Time to sell? Once this sort of "project" has moved along far enough you
might not be able to, for the price you'd want.

Could be, I already looked up if CO2 was heavier then air (it is):
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20090611040945AAPt3oV
else it would be very dangerous to live here.
But some geological processes could push it upwards, you would get suffocated in your sleep,
nowhere to run, even if you found out what was happening.
CO2 detector, oxygen equipment, fast car or helicopter, and you MAY have a chance
It is an idiotic idea, the greenies create things that are more dangerous then what the want to fight.
Like more people die in coal mining in one year _an other 30 or so in China today_ then in all nuclear accidents that ever happened,
that is why the greenies are against nuke power??? And nuke power makes no CO2.
It is, as opposed to Bill's constant insulting of others by suggesting they have
no scientific understanding or education, the most *stupid* little greenies club that does this over and over
again, manipulated by energy haters like Gore.
If it was for the greenies we would all be living in grass shacks without heating and eating grass too.

 

[Joerg]

Jan Panteltje wrote:

On a sunny day (Sat, 21 Nov 2009 13:10:31 -0800) it happened Joerg
invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote in <7mr3a8F3jab6eU3@mid.individual.net>:

One can wonder what the real truth is, about temperature, and then again about
what causes it, you know there were, and will be, ice ages, nobody
was having coal plants in the previous one to create CO2 (in the Netherlands they now want to store the CO2
in the ground under my house almost), so, all feeble science.

Time to sell? Once this sort of "project" has moved along far enough you
might not be able to, for the price you'd want.


Could be, I already looked up if CO2 was heavier then air (it is):
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20090611040945AAPt3oV
else it would be very dangerous to live here.
But some geological processes could push it upwards, you would get suffocated in your sleep,
nowhere to run, even if you found out what was happening.
CO2 detector, oxygen equipment, fast car or helicopter, and you MAY have a chance

If for some reason pressure shifts down there and a bubble gets pushed
up you may not have time to start the turbo-shaft engine in your
helicopter. Besides you sitting there slumped over the controls, it also
needs some oxygen to work.

It is an idiotic idea, the greenies create things that are more dangerous then what the want to fight.
Like more people die in coal mining in one year _an other 30 or so in China today_ then in all nuclear accidents that ever happened,
that is why the greenies are against nuke power??? And nuke power makes no CO2.

The topper was a guy in a Hawkwer business jet, had to call a missed
approach at Beijing airport. The weather was fine but he could not see
the runway at decision height. Because of the smog ...

It is, as opposed to Bill's constant insulting of others by suggesting they have
no scientific understanding or education, the most *stupid* little greenies club that does this over and over
again, manipulated by energy haters like Gore.
If it was for the greenies we would all be living in grass shacks without heating and eating grass too.

But they'd keep on driving their Volvos

--
Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com/

"gmail" domain blocked because of excessive spam.
Use another domain or send PM.

 

[John Larkin]

On Sat, 21 Nov 2009 11:54:05 GMT, Jan Panteltje
<pNaonStpealmtje@yahoo.com> wrote:

The global warming hoax revealed:
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/21/science/earth/21climate.html?partner=rss&emc=rss

Quote from that article
This shows these are people willing to bend rules and
go after other people's reputations in very serious ways,' he said. Spencer
R. Weart, a physicist and historian who is charting the course of research
on global warming, said the hacked material would serve as 'great material
for historians.'
end quote

LOL.
Some science!

And that in a leftist newspaper!

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB125883405294859215.html?mod=googlenews_wsj


"In several of the emails, climate researchers discussed how to
arrange for favorable reviewers for papers they planned to publish in
scientific journals. At the same time, climate researchers at times
appeared to pressure scientific journals not to publish research by
other scientists whose findings they disagreed with."



Some good stuff here:

http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/andrewbolt/index.php/heraldsun/comments/hadley_hacked/

" The other paper by MM is just garbage – as you knew. De Freitas
again. Pielke is also losing all credibility as well by replying to
the mad Finn as well – frequently as I see it. I can’t see either of
these papers being in the next IPCC report. K and I will keep them out
somehow – even if we have to redefine what the peer-review literature
is ! "


John

 

[John Fields]

On Sat, 21 Nov 2009 11:46:02 -0800 (PST), Bill Sloman
<bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote:

On Nov 21, 7:03 pm, Raveninghorde <raveninghorde@invalid> wrote:
On Sat, 21 Nov 2009 05:53:00 -0800 (PST), dagmargoodb...@yahoo.com
wrote:





On Nov 21, 6:54 am, Jan Panteltje <pNaonStpealm...@yahoo.com> wrote:
The global warming hoax revealed:
 http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/21/science/earth/21climate.html?partne...

Quote from that article
This shows these are people willing to bend rules and
go after other people's reputations in very serious ways,' he said. Spencer
R. Weart, a physicist and historian who is charting the course of research
on global warming, said the hacked material would serve as 'great material
for historians.'
end quote

LOL.
Some science!

And that in a leftist newspaper!

Summary:
http://doctorbulldog.wordpress.com/2009/11/20/the-telegraph-picks-up-...

Details:
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/11/19/breaking-news-story-hadley-cru-...

And a search engine for CRU emails

www.anelegantchaos.org/cru/- Hide quoted text -

Ravinghorde is going to be even more of a nuisance than he is at the
moment.

His ignorance is such that he regularly quotes real scientific papers
to support arguments that they actively contradict.

Given a bunch of private e-mails that he can quote out of context, he
can be predicted to find "evidence" for life-time's worth of insane
conspiracy theories.

---
Interesting.

The sky is falling around the doom and gloom boys, and especially around
that insufferable fatass Al Gore leech, and you're still kissing their
asses because you don't want to admit that you were blinded by their
bullshit "science".

But it's not really your fault, poor baby, and because you don't know
enough about it to allow you to make objective decisions about the
conclusions come to by your suicidols, you then tie in with them since
they're a bunch of crooks who talk the same language you do.

JF

 

[Bill Sloman]

On Nov 21, 9:37 pm, Raveninghorde <raveninghorde@invalid> wrote:

On Sat, 21 Nov 2009 11:46:02 -0800 (PST),Bill Sloman





bill.slo...@ieee.org> wrote:
On Nov 21, 7:03 pm, Raveninghorde <raveninghorde@invalid> wrote:
On Sat, 21 Nov 2009 05:53:00 -0800 (PST), dagmargoodb...@yahoo.com
wrote:

On Nov 21, 6:54 am, Jan Panteltje <pNaonStpealm...@yahoo.com> wrote:
The global warming hoax revealed:
 http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/21/science/earth/21climate.html?partne...

Quote from that article
This shows these are people willing to bend rules and
go after other people's reputations in very serious ways,' he said. Spencer
R. Weart, a physicist and historian who is charting the course of research
on global warming, said the hacked material would serve as 'great material
for historians.'
end quote

LOL.
Some science!

And that in a leftist newspaper!

Summary:
http://doctorbulldog.wordpress.com/2009/11/20/the-telegraph-picks-up-....

Details:
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/11/19/breaking-news-story-hadley-cru-....

And a search engine for CRU emails

www.anelegantchaos.org/cru/-Hide quoted text -

Ravinghorde is going to be even more of a nuisance than he is at the
moment.

His ignorance is such that he regularly quotes real scientific papers
to support arguments that they actively contradict.

Given a bunch of private e-mails that he can quote out of context, he
can be predicted to find "evidence" for life-time's worth of insane
conspiracy theories.

http://xkcd.com/664/- Hide quoted text -

By which Ravinghorde would like us to know that he thinks of himself
as an engineer rather than a scientist.

Since he is - in fact - a fruitcake who can't do joined-up logic, his
self-image isn't all that interesting.

--
Bill Sloman, Nijmegen

 

[Bill Sloman]

On Nov 22, 12:00 am, John Larkin
<jjlar...@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:

On Sat, 21 Nov 2009 11:54:05 GMT, Jan Panteltje

pNaonStpealm...@yahoo.com> wrote:
The global warming hoax revealed:
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/21/science/earth/21climate.html?partne...

Quote from that article
This shows these are people willing to bend rules and
go after other people's reputations in very serious ways,' he said. Spencer
R. Weart, a physicist and historian who is charting the course of research
on global warming, said the hacked material would serve as 'great material
for historians.'
end quote

LOL.
Some science!

And that in a leftist newspaper!

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB125883405294859215.html?mod=googlenew....

"In several of the emails, climate researchers discussed how to
arrange for favorable reviewers for papers they planned to publish in
scientific journals. At the same time, climate researchers at times
appeared to pressure scientific journals not to publish research by
other scientists whose findings they disagreed with."

Most scientists have a fair idea of who might be asked to review their
papers, and adjust the papers to encourage editors to go for the more
constructive and well-informed of the likely referees.

They also have opinions about the kind of work that other people do,
the reliability of the results that other scientists claim, and the
quality of the papers that they produce. Some people are bad enough
that they end up trying to publish in journals on the edges of their
field, where the editors won't know how untrustworthy they are.
Personal contacts often mean that they don't get away with it.

Some good stuff here:

http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/andrewbolt/index.php/heraldsun/com...

" The other paper by MM is just garbage – as you knew. De Freitas
again. Pielke is also losing all credibility as well by replying to
the mad Finn as well – frequently as I see it. I can’t see either of
these papers being in the next IPCC report. K and I will keep them out
somehow – even if we have to redefine what the peer-review literature
is ! "

Obviously not intended for publication, but why would you ever think
that because scientists are obliged to publish sober and rational
arguments, they aren't emotionally involved in their work?

--
Bill Sloman, Nijmegen

 

[Bill Sloman]

On Nov 22, 2:36 am, John Fields <jfie...@austininstruments.com> wrote:

On Sat, 21 Nov 2009 11:46:02 -0800 (PST),Bill Sloman

bill.slo...@ieee.org> wrote:
On Nov 21, 7:03 pm, Raveninghorde <raveninghorde@invalid> wrote:
On Sat, 21 Nov 2009 05:53:00 -0800 (PST), dagmargoodb...@yahoo.com
wrote:

On Nov 21, 6:54 am, Jan Panteltje <pNaonStpealm...@yahoo.com> wrote:
The global warming hoax revealed:
 http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/21/science/earth/21climate.html?partne...

Quote from that article
This shows these are people willing to bend rules and
go after other people's reputations in very serious ways,' he said. Spencer
R. Weart, a physicist and historian who is charting the course of research
on global warming, said the hacked material would serve as 'great material
for historians.'
end quote

LOL.
Some science!

And that in a leftist newspaper!

Summary:
http://doctorbulldog.wordpress.com/2009/11/20/the-telegraph-picks-up-....

Details:
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/11/19/breaking-news-story-hadley-cru-....

And a search engine for CRU emails

www.anelegantchaos.org/cru/-Hide quoted text -

Ravinghorde is going to be even more of a nuisance than he is at the
moment.

His ignorance is such that he regularly quotes real scientific papers
to support arguments that they actively contradict.

Given a bunch of private e-mails that he can quote out of context, he
can be predicted to find "evidence" for life-time's worth of insane
conspiracy theories.

---
Interesting.

The sky is falling around the doom and gloom boys, and especially around
that insufferable fatass Al Gore leech, and you're still kissing their
asses because you don't want to admit that you were blinded by their
bullshit "science".

If you had had the benefit of a scientific education you might be
aware that the science involved isn't bullshit. If you'd ever worked
with academics, you'd be aware that they waste a lot of time on office
politics. The e-mails are going to give Ravinghorde a lot of pleasure
- I won't say innocent because he is going to use them to indulge his
passion for idiotic conspiracy theories - but they aren't goig to make
a blind bit of difference to the science.

But it's not really your fault, poor baby, and because you don't know
enough about it to allow you to make objective decisions about the
conclusions come to by your suicidols, you then tie in with them since
they're a bunch of crooks who talk the same language you do.

You are welcome to review the literature and come to your own
conclusions. You haven't ever displayed any kind of physical insight,
so it is unlikely that your insight will be worth much, but this is a
democratic society, so Exxon-Mobil and similar firms are free to spend
millions of dollars concocting plausible lies good enough to persuade
the unsophisticated voter to let them keep on making money by digging
up and selling fossil carbon for use as fuel.

New Orleans didn't tell you anything, but it is outside the borders of
Texas. You will probably have to lose Galveston again before the penny
drops.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1900_Galveston_hurricane

--
Bill Sloman, Nijmegen

 

On Nov 21, 6:00 pm, John Larkin
<jjlar...@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:

On Sat, 21 Nov 2009 11:54:05 GMT, Jan Panteltje



pNaonStpealm...@yahoo.com> wrote:
The global warming hoax revealed:
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/21/science/earth/21climate.html?partne...

Quote from that article
This shows these are people willing to bend rules and
go after other people's reputations in very serious ways,' he said. Spencer
R. Weart, a physicist and historian who is charting the course of research
on global warming, said the hacked material would serve as 'great material
for historians.'
end quote

LOL.
Some science!

And that in a leftist newspaper!

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB125883405294859215.html?mod=googlenew....

"In several of the emails, climate researchers discussed how to
arrange for favorable reviewers for papers they planned to publish in
scientific journals. At the same time, climate researchers at times
appeared to pressure scientific journals not to publish research by
other scientists whose findings they disagreed with."

Some good stuff here:

http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/andrewbolt/index.php/heraldsun/com...

" The other paper by MM is just garbage – as you knew. De Freitas
again. Pielke is also losing all credibility as well by replying to
the mad Finn as well – frequently as I see it. I can’t see either of
these papers being in the next IPCC report. K and I will keep them out
somehow – even if we have to redefine what the peer-review literature
is ! "

John

http://doctorbulldog.wordpress.com/2009/11/20/the-telegraph-picks-up-on-the-hadley-cru-story/

"The fact is that we can’t account for the lack of warming at the
moment and it is a travesty that we can’t. The CERES data published in
the August BAMS 09 supplement on 2008 shows there should be even more
warming: but the data are surely wrong. Our observing system is
inadequate."

"It doesn't matter how beautiful your theory is, it doesn't matter how
smart you are. If it doesn't agree with experiment, it's wrong." --
Richard Feynman

--
Cheers,
James Arthur

 

On Nov 21, 4:52 pm, Jon Kirwan <j...@infinitefactors.org> wrote:

On Sat, 21 Nov 2009 11:54:05 GMT, Jan Panteltje



pNaonStpealm...@yahoo.com> wrote:
The global warming hoax revealed:
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/21/science/earth/21climate.html?partne...

Quote from that article
This shows these are people willing to bend rules and
go after other people's reputations in very serious ways,' he said. Spencer
R. Weart, a physicist and historian who is charting the course of research
on global warming, said the hacked material would serve as 'great material
for historians.'
end quote

LOL.
Some science!

And that in a leftist newspaper!

The points are addressed in realclimate.org.  By Gavin, who is one of
those whose emails were disclosed and others who post there.  The
_truer_ feelings that some climate scientists have for some of the
public naysayers are exposed.  Oh, well.  Too bad.

It's not surprising they don't like their critics. But as scientists
they shouldn't be
a) resisting sharing their data,
b) colluding to suppress competing publications,
c) or directing one another--or anyone else--to delete their e-mails
wrt AR4.

Scientists cooperate, sometimes compete, but never conspire.


--
Cheers,
James Arthur

 

[Bill Sloman]

On Nov 21, 11:36 pm, Jan Panteltje <pNaonStpealm...@yahoo.com> wrote:

On a sunny day (Sat, 21 Nov 2009 13:10:31 -0800) it happened Joerg
inva...@invalid.invalid> wrote in <7mr3a8F3jab6...@mid.individual.net>:

One can wonder what the real truth is, about temperature, and then again about
what causes it, you know there were, and will be, ice ages, nobody
was having coal plants in the previous one to create CO2 (in the Netherlands they now want to store the CO2
in the ground under my house almost), so, all feeble science.

Time to sell? Once this sort of "project" has moved along far enough you
might not be able to, for the price you'd want.

Could be, I already looked up if CO2 was heavier then air (it is):
 http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20090611040945AAPt3oV
else it would be very dangerous to live here.
But some geological processes could push it upwards, you would get suffocated in your > sleep, nowhere to run, even if you found out what was happening.

This is unlikely. The CO2 is being injected below an impervious layer
of clay that sealed the field well enough to trap natural gas there
for a couple of hundred million years.

Unlike natural gas, CO2 dissolves happily in water, and at a couple of
kilometres below the surface the local pressure is high enough to keep
the CO2 injected in solution.

CO2 detector, oxygen equipment, fast car or helicopter, and you MAY have a chance

He's a lot more likely to be drowned by rising sea levels breaking the
dykes, but that is a familiar risk, so he's happy to ignore it.

It is an idiotic idea, the greenies create things that are more dangerous then what they want to fight.

The real risk is of rising CO2 levels producing temperatures high
enough to get the Greenland ice cap sliding off into the sea even
faster than it is a the moment - it recently hit 270 gigaton per year,
good for 0.75mm per year of sea level rise

http://www.physorg.com/news177258173.html

but that seems to have passed Jan by.

Like more people die in coal mining in one year _an other 30 or so in China today_ then in all nuclear accidents that ever happened,
that is why the greenies are against nuke power??? And nuke power makes no CO2.

But it does involve other - even more persistent - problems

It is, as opposed to Bill's constant insulting of others by suggesting they have
no scientific understanding or education, the most *stupid* little greenies club that does this over and over.

Jan doesn't like being reminded that he doesn't understand the science
involved. He's smart enough to correct his ignorance, but prefers to
spend his time complaining that he is being insulted because his
ignorant prejudices are being pilloried.

again, manipulated by energy haters like Gore.

Al Gore and the rest of rational part of of the campaign to reign in
anthropogenic global warming aren't energy haters.

They are perfectly happy to see energy generated by any mechanism that
doesn't push up CO2 levels in the atmosphere - wind turbines could
supply all the enrgy we consume at the moment and solar power stations
could do a lot better. Burning fossil carbon looks cheaper, if you
ignore the long term damage done by rising CO2 levels in the
atmosphere, but submerging the Netherlands as sea levels rise is the
kind of long term damage we should be thinking about.

If it was for the greenies we would all be living in grass shacks without heating and eating grass too.

Jan Panteltje complains about feeling insulted because I call him
ignorant, then proceeds to come up with this fatuity.

There are a couple of books around that spell out how society would
work with sustainable energy sources - George Monbiot's "Heat" is one
and thomas L. Friedman's "Hot, Flat and Crowded" is another. Unheated
grass shacks don't form any part of the picture.

No doubt there are lunatic greenies who do want to take us back to the
Stone Age, but only the denialist press claims to take them seriously.

--
Bill Sloman, Nijmegen