Phone battery question....

[John_H]

After 15 or so years the nicad battery in our 30y.o. portable phone
has chucked it in (it\'s only ever had one replacement). The current
options are nicad or Ni-MH.

Which way should I go?

If Ni-MH how long is it likely to last?

I only get around 4 years between replacements with a Samsung mobile
which presumably has a smart charger, hence the question.

--
John H

 

[Xeno]

On 31/7/2022 10:12 am, John_H wrote:

After 15 or so years the nicad battery in our 30y.o. portable phone
has chucked it in (it\'s only ever had one replacement). The current
options are nicad or Ni-MH.

Which way should I go?

If Ni-MH how long is it likely to last?

I only get around 4 years between replacements with a Samsung mobile
which presumably has a smart charger, hence the question.

Can you use a Ni-MH battery in it? Will the in-built charging system
suffice for a Ni-MH battery? I generally replace like for like in those
circumstances and use NiCad to replace NiCad. That said, I had a triple
set of those phones and it was cheaper to buy a new set of *phones* than
bother with a set of 3 batteries. Yes, they were all on the way out.

--
Xeno


Nothing astonishes Noddy so much as common sense and plain dealing.
(with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)

 

[Rod Speed]

Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> wrote

John_H wrote

After 15 or so years the nicad battery in our 30y.o. portable phone
has chucked it in (it\'s only ever had one replacement). The current
options are nicad or Ni-MH.
Which way should I go?
If Ni-MH how long is it likely to last?
I only get around 4 years between replacements with a Samsung mobile
which presumably has a smart charger, hence the question.

Can you use a Ni-MH battery in it?

You can with most Panasonics.

> Will the in-built charging system suffice for a Ni-MH battery?

It is with Panasonics that are designed to take either.

I generally replace like for like in those circumstances and use NiCad
to replace NiCad. That said, I had a triple set of those phones and it
was cheaper to buy a new set of *phones* than bother with a set of 3
batteries. Yes, they were all on the way out.

I always got cordless phones with standard AA batterys, so that never
happened with those.

 

[Rod Speed]

John_H <john4271@hotmail.com> wrote

After 15 or so years the nicad battery in our 30y.o. portable phone
has chucked it in (it\'s only ever had one replacement). The current
options are nicad or Ni-MH.

Which way should I go?

Ni-MH.

> If Ni-MH how long is it likely to last?

About the same time again.

I only get around 4 years between replacements with a Samsungmobile
which presumably has a smart charger, hence the question.

But that is a Li ion battery so quite different.

 

[Trevor Wilson]

On 31/07/2022 10:12 am, John_H wrote:

After 15 or so years the nicad battery in our 30y.o. portable phone
has chucked it in (it\'s only ever had one replacement). The current
options are nicad or Ni-MH.

Which way should I go?

If Ni-MH how long is it likely to last?

I only get around 4 years between replacements with a Samsung mobile
which presumably has a smart charger, hence the question.

**If the \'phone was designed to use NiCad batteries, then that is what
you should use. NiCad and NiMh batteries have different charging
requirements.


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[John_H]

Trevor Wilson wrote:

On 31/07/2022 10:12 am, John_H wrote:
After 15 or so years the nicad battery in our 30y.o. portable phone
has chucked it in (it\'s only ever had one replacement). The current
options are nicad or Ni-MH.

Which way should I go?

If Ni-MH how long is it likely to last?

I only get around 4 years between replacements with a Samsung mobile
which presumably has a smart charger, hence the question.



**If the \'phone was designed to use NiCad batteries, then that is what
you should use. NiCad and NiMh batteries have different charging
requirements.

It predates Ni-MH but both are cuurently available as replacements.
It\'s the differences in the charging systems that concern but I\'m
unsure as to whether it really matters.

--
John H

 

[John_H]

Rod Speed wrote:

John_H <john4271@hotmail.com> wrote

After 15 or so years the nicad battery in our 30y.o. portable phone
has chucked it in (it\'s only ever had one replacement). The current
options are nicad or Ni-MH.

Which way should I go?

Ni-MH.

If Ni-MH how long is it likely to last?

About the same time again.

I only get around 4 years between replacements with a Samsungmobile
which presumably has a smart charger, hence the question.

But that is a Li ion battery so quite different.

Oops, my mistake.

--
John H

 

[John_H]

Xeno wrote:

On 31/7/2022 10:12 am, John_H wrote:
After 15 or so years the nicad battery in our 30y.o. portable phone
has chucked it in (it\'s only ever had one replacement). The current
options are nicad or Ni-MH.

Which way should I go?

If Ni-MH how long is it likely to last?

I only get around 4 years between replacements with a Samsung mobile
which presumably has a smart charger, hence the question.

Can you use a Ni-MH battery in it?

Both types are available to fit it. Both have the same plug.

>Will the in-built charging system suffice for a Ni-MH battery?

Dunno, that\'s why I\'m asking. Both are the same voltage but presumbly
later phones have smart chargers... or so I\'ve been told.

I generally replace like for like in those circumstances and use NiCad to replace NiCad.
That said, I had a triple set of those phones and it was cheaper to buy a new set of
*phones* than bother with a set of 3 batteries. Yes, they were all on the way out.

--
John H

 

[John_H]

Rod Speed wrote:

Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> wrote
John_H wrote

After 15 or so years the nicad battery in our 30y.o. portable phone
has chucked it in (it\'s only ever had one replacement). The current
options are nicad or Ni-MH.
Which way should I go?
If Ni-MH how long is it likely to last?
I only get around 4 years between replacements with a Samsung mobile
which presumably has a smart charger, hence the question.

Can you use a Ni-MH battery in it?

You can with most Panasonics.

It\'s an early Telstra Nomad. The last replacement would\'ve come from
Wes who no longer list the model.

Will the in-built charging system suffice for a Ni-MH battery?

It is with Panasonics that are designed to take either.

I generally replace like for like in those circumstances and use NiCad
to replace NiCad. That said, I had a triple set of those phones and it
was cheaper to buy a new set of *phones* than bother with a set of 3
batteries. Yes, they were all on the way out.

I always got cordless phones with standard AA batterys, so that never
happened with those.

--
John H

 

[Sylvia Else]

On 01-Aug-22 7:54 am, John_H wrote:

Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 31/07/2022 10:12 am, John_H wrote:
After 15 or so years the nicad battery in our 30y.o. portable phone
has chucked it in (it\'s only ever had one replacement). The current
options are nicad or Ni-MH.

Which way should I go?

If Ni-MH how long is it likely to last?

I only get around 4 years between replacements with a Samsung mobile
which presumably has a smart charger, hence the question.



**If the \'phone was designed to use NiCad batteries, then that is what
you should use. NiCad and NiMh batteries have different charging
requirements.

It predates Ni-MH but both are cuurently available as replacements.
It\'s the differences in the charging systems that concern but I\'m
unsure as to whether it really matters.

If it predates NiMH, then it\'s unlikely to be designed to charge them
properly.

Stick with what\'s known to work.

Sylvia.

 

[Trevor Wilson]

On 1/08/2022 7:54 am, John_H wrote:

Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 31/07/2022 10:12 am, John_H wrote:
After 15 or so years the nicad battery in our 30y.o. portable phone
has chucked it in (it\'s only ever had one replacement). The current
options are nicad or Ni-MH.

Which way should I go?

If Ni-MH how long is it likely to last?

I only get around 4 years between replacements with a Samsung mobile
which presumably has a smart charger, hence the question.



**If the \'phone was designed to use NiCad batteries, then that is what
you should use. NiCad and NiMh batteries have different charging
requirements.

It predates Ni-MH but both are cuurently available as replacements.
It\'s the differences in the charging systems that concern but I\'m
unsure as to whether it really matters.

**It can matter. Use NiCads.


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[Phil Allison]

Trevor Wilson wrote:
=================

On 1/08/2022 7:54 am, John_H wrote:
Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 31/07/2022 10:12 am, John_H wrote:
After 15 or so years the nicad battery in our 30y.o. portable phone
has chucked it in (it\'s only ever had one replacement). The current
options are nicad or Ni-MH.

Which way should I go?

If Ni-MH how long is it likely to last?

I only get around 4 years between replacements with a Samsung mobile
which presumably has a smart charger, hence the question.



**If the \'phone was designed to use NiCad batteries, then that is what
you should use. NiCad and NiMh batteries have different charging
requirements.

It predates Ni-MH but both are cuurently available as replacements.
It\'s the differences in the charging systems that concern but I\'m
unsure as to whether it really matters.

**It can matter. Use NiCads.

** Shame how they are banned from retail sale over most of the world.
Cadmium is toxic and persistent in the environment.

Even CdS photo cells are banned in the EU etc.



....... Phil

 

[Rod Speed]

Phil Allison <pallison49@gmail.com> wrote

Trevor Wilson wrote
John_H wrote
Trevor Wilson wrote
John_H wrote

After 15 or so years the nicad battery in our 30y.o. portable phone
has chucked it in (it\'s only ever had one replacement). The current
options are nicad or Ni-MH.

Which way should I go?

If Ni-MH how long is it likely to last?

I only get around 4 years between replacements with a Samsung mobile
which presumably has a smart charger, hence the question.



**If the \'phone was designed to use NiCad batteries, then that is
what
you should use. NiCad and NiMh batteries have different charging
requirements.

It predates Ni-MH but both are cuurently available as replacements.
It\'s the differences in the charging systems that concern but I\'m
unsure as to whether it really matters.

It can matter. Use NiCads.

Shame how they are banned from retail sale over most of the world.

Bullshit they are and they clearly aren\'t banned here and that\'s what
matters.

Cadmium is toxic and persistent in the environment.

Even CdS photo cells are banned in the EU etc.

Irrelevant to what John should use.

 

[Trevor Wilson]

On 1/08/2022 5:04 pm, Phil Allison wrote:

Trevor Wilson wrote:
=================
On 1/08/2022 7:54 am, John_H wrote:
Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 31/07/2022 10:12 am, John_H wrote:
After 15 or so years the nicad battery in our 30y.o. portable phone
has chucked it in (it\'s only ever had one replacement). The current
options are nicad or Ni-MH.

Which way should I go?

If Ni-MH how long is it likely to last?

I only get around 4 years between replacements with a Samsung mobile
which presumably has a smart charger, hence the question.



**If the \'phone was designed to use NiCad batteries, then that is what
you should use. NiCad and NiMh batteries have different charging
requirements.

It predates Ni-MH but both are cuurently available as replacements.
It\'s the differences in the charging systems that concern but I\'m
unsure as to whether it really matters.

**It can matter. Use NiCads.


** Shame how they are banned from retail sale over most of the world.
Cadmium is toxic and persistent in the environment.

Even CdS photo cells are banned in the EU etc.

**WES stock some of the best NiCads available (Sanyo). CDS cells are
also available from a number of sources in Australia. The EU does some
weird shit, like insisting on insane protection systems on relatively
low powered amplifier speaker terminals. For large amps, it makes some
sense, though I am unaware of anyone who has been killed by contacting
speaker terminations. I suppose it could happen with a 1,000 Watt @ 8
Ohm amplifier and a person with a weak heart and/or a secure connection
to both terminals across the heart. Oh, and with the amplifier being
driven by low frequency sine waves. Music is unlikely to cut it.



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[Xeno]

On 1/8/2022 5:16 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:

On 31/07/2022 10:12 am, John_H wrote:
After 15 or so years the nicad battery in our 30y.o. portable phone
has chucked it in (it\'s only ever had one replacement).  The current
options are nicad or Ni-MH.

Which way should I go?

If Ni-MH how long is it likely to last?

I only get around 4 years between replacements with a Samsung mobile
which presumably has a smart charger, hence the question.



**If the \'phone was designed to use NiCad batteries, then that is what
you should use. NiCad and NiMh batteries have different charging
requirements.

Yes, that was my thought on the topic. Use the same as it had, can\'t go
wrong.

--
Xeno


Nothing astonishes Noddy so much as common sense and plain dealing.
(with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)

 

[Phil Allison]

Rod Speed Fuckwit Idiot wrote:
==========================

It can matter. Use NiCads.

Shame how they are banned from retail sale over most of the world.
Cadmium is toxic and persistent in the environment.

Bullshit they are and they clearly aren\'t banned here and that\'s what
matters.

** But we do not make them here and few companies make them at all now.
New products do NOT use them, they are 100% OBSOLETE !!!

Even CdS photo cells are banned in the EU etc.

Irrelevant to what John should use.

** Massively relevant to finding any.



....... Phil

 

[Phil Allison]

Trevor Wilson wrote:
=================

**It can matter. Use NiCads.


** Shame how they are banned from retail sale over most of the world.
Cadmium is toxic and persistent in the environment.

Even CdS photo cells are banned in the EU etc.

**WES stock some of the best NiCads available (Sanyo).

** So fucking what ?
FYI:

Sanyo AA NiCds do not work my Canon camera - at all.
Any NiMH AA works just fine.


> CDS cells are also available from a number of sources in Australia.

** So fucking what ?

> The EU does some weird shit,

** And controls at least half the world\'s marketplace.


......... Phil

 

[Rod Speed]

Phil Allison <pallison49@gmail.com> wrote

Rod Speed wrote

It can matter. Use NiCads.

Shame how they are banned from retail sale over most of the world.
Cadmium is toxic and persistent in the environment.

Bullshit they are and they clearly aren\'t banned here and that\'s what
matters.

But we do not make them here

Irrelevant. The phone it is going into isn\'t made here either.

> and few companies make them at all now.

Irrelevant. Clearly someone still does.

> New products do NOT use them, they are 100% OBSOLETE !!!

So is the phone. If John wants to keep using that phone,
a NiCad battery is the only sensible thing to use.

Even CdS photo cells are banned in the EU etc.

Irrelevant to what John should use.

Massively relevant to finding any.

He doesn\'t want one.

 

[Rod Speed]

Phil Allison <pallison49@gmail.com> wrote

Trevor Wilson wrote

It can matter. Use NiCads.

Shame how they are banned from retail sale over most of the world.

Cadmium is toxic and persistent in the environment.

Even CdS photo cells are banned in the EU etc.

WES stock some of the best NiCads available (Sanyo).

So fucking what ?

So those who need to maintain devices that were designed
to use NiCads can still get some of the best NiCads available.

FYI:

Sanyo AA NiCds do not work my Canon camera - at all.
Any NiMH AA works just fine.

Irrelevant to what JOHN should use in his phone.

CDS cells are also available from a number of sources in Australia.

So fucking what ?

So your shit about what the EU has stupidly done is irrelevant.

The EU does some weird shit,

And controls at least half the world\'s marketplace.

But not ours, so who cares what those fools do.

 

[John_H]

Sylvia Else wrote:

On 01-Aug-22 7:54 am, John_H wrote:
Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 31/07/2022 10:12 am, John_H wrote:
After 15 or so years the nicad battery in our 30y.o. portable phone
has chucked it in (it\'s only ever had one replacement). The current
options are nicad or Ni-MH.

Which way should I go?

If Ni-MH how long is it likely to last?

I only get around 4 years between replacements with a Samsung mobile
which presumably has a smart charger, hence the question.



**If the \'phone was designed to use NiCad batteries, then that is what
you should use. NiCad and NiMh batteries have different charging
requirements.

It predates Ni-MH but both are cuurently available as replacements.
It\'s the differences in the charging systems that concern but I\'m
unsure as to whether it really matters.


If it predates NiMH, then it\'s unlikely to be designed to charge them
properly.

Stick with what\'s known to work.

I failed to mention that the nicad is twice the price but there\'s also
a possibility they\'ll no longer be available further down the track.
Nor do I want the hassle of replacing the phone as the cradle is
screwed to the wall.

Consequently I\'ve decided to stick with nicad and hope it lasts
another 15 years..

Thanks to all who replied.

--
John H