Parts Numbering Scheme

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Roger Lascelles <despam_rklasl@aanet.com.au> wrote:
We are a small company, and we would like to implement a better components
numbering scheme.
Here are the ways a couple of big companies have done it. I'm not
suggesting that these are optimal for you, just giving some examples.

General Electric major appliance part numbers are (were?) of the form

W[A-Z][0-9]{1,2}X[0-9]{1,4}

The leading "W" is constant and I am told it stands for "white goods" -
refrigerators, washing machines, etc. ("Brown goods" are TVs, stereos,
etc... they had a leading "E".)

The second letter indicates what type of product the part is for. R=
refrigerator, B=oven, E=dryer, H=washer, etc. X was used for common
parts like screws, washers, and bolts that could be used in many
different products.

The next two digits indicate a major subsystem or group of related parts
on the machine. For example, in refrigeration, timers are 9, and
compressors are 87.

The "X" was a fairly constant separator. Historically it was the only
separator, but "J" and "M" have also been included in newer part
numbers.

The last one to four digits are just a serial number to tell the parts
apart - they don't encode any characteristics of the part. About the
only thing you could tell from these numbers is that newer parts had
bigger numbers.

People typically didn't pad the numbers (WR9X330) but the computers did
(WR09X0330). The lookup was smart enough to accept either style and
find the right part. The "canonical" form was all upper case, but as
far as I remember, it was case insensitive... wr9x330 or wR9x330 would
all be acceptable to the computer as the same part number.

Volkswagen automotive part numbers are described at
http://www.type2.com/library/identifi/numsys.htm . This system was
probably originally designed with Hollerith cards in mind!

The parts list for an old Systron-Donner frequency counter I have shows
parts with a leading letter and four or five digits. The leading letter
mostly corresponds to the part type: (R)esistor, (C)apacitor (no
distinction between ceramic, electrolytic, etc), (S)witch, X for
sockets, (V)acuum tube, CR for diodes, etc. Integrated circuits and
transistors seem to have all-numeric part numbers. The digits just seem
to be assigned in order of use.

My response to a couple of other points that have been brought up:

Allowing upper case and lower case letters in your part numbers does
double the number of possible values in each digit, but IMHO will drive
you crazy. If nothing else, most existing part numbering schemes are
case insensitive, and you may tend to confuse people if they assume
your scheme is the same. I think it won't be obvious to a lot of people
that an A0123 and an a0123 are two totally different items.

The two extremes of part numbering are probably an all-numeric part
number that has no inherent meaning (73853), and an alphanumeric string
that tries to describe everything about the part (RES 1K 0.5W 5% METAL
FILM). Both of them will drive you crazy. The all-numeric ones are too
easy to confuse with one another. The alphanumeric string only works if
you rigidly enforce some standard when you're putting new parts into the
system, which never happens.

One slight advantage to the all-number system is that these are easy to
copy correctly over the telephone. An alphanumeric system is harder to
communicate - was that a D123 or a P123 or a B123? - unless you can train
people to use some kind of phonetic alphabet (Alpha Bravo Charlie, Able
Baker Charlie, etc).

If you have reason to suspect the part numbers may get garbled, or if
you're just paranoid, you can include a check digit.

It may be helpful for the humans to include dashes, dots, or spaces in
the part number. A big reason why local phone numbers in the US are
seven digits expressed as three digits, dash, four digits (555-1212) is
that Bell System research showed that most people could remember at most
seven digits, and they remembered the digits better if they were broken
into a couple of groups. The computer can store the numbers without any
of this stuff, but it should accept user input with or without the
dashes, dots, etc.

When you're trying to decide how long to make the number, also consider
how many numbers you will need total. Disk storage is cheap, and adding
one more digit multiplies your total available part numbers by at least
10 or 26 or 36. If you later discover that the part numbers are too
short and you need to go back and add more digits, this can range from
trivial to painful (usually the latter) depending on the software. It
may be smart to "waste space" now to save pain later.

If I were trying to do this from scratch for electronic components, I
might do something like this:

[A-Z]-[0-9][0-9]-[0-9][0-9][0-9][0-9]

The initial letter would identify, broadly, the component type:
(R)esistor, (C)apacitor, magic (S)moke, etc.

The next two digits would indicate more attributes of the component.
For resistors, this might include metal film, carbon film, wirewound,
through-hole, SMT, wattage, etc. Maybe this would be just one digit.

The final four digits would just get assigned as needed.

I would create a database to go with this, with the part number as the
primary key of the main table. The main table would also have
additional columns of descriptions that apply to most parts, like
tolerance, through-hole or SMT, and so on. It would also have a
reasonably-sized string field for future use. It's not "clean" design
to have to stick two or three new attributes into this string field
later, but sometimes it beats having to add a column to the table.
There might be other tables for less frequently used descriptions,
also indexed by the part number.

To make the production people happy, one of the pieces of data would be
the part marking for parts that are color coded or too small for a
complete part number. In other words, the list going to production
would say things like "R-42-5309, resistor 1K 5% 0.25 watt metal film,
brown-black-red" or "T-12-8670, transistor 2N2222A surface-mount, 8T5".

A place I worked at also used the Parts and Vendors software that has
been mentioned. I don't know anything about it other than that it
exists and it was possible to run it on several networked computers
accessing a common database.

Whatever database or other software you use, and whatever backup plan you
have, I would also suggest occasionally dumping the part number database
tables to CSV or similar delimited plain-text files. If you need to
change software vendors for whatever reason, most databases can be
persuaded to accept a CSV or delimited-text input. To get your data
into the new database, you might have to change single quotes to double
quotes or escape the commas or whatever, but this is really easy to do
with the right tools, such as awk, sed, perl, and friends on a Unix
system.

I hope this helps!

Matt Roberds
 
RST Engineering (jw) wrote:

The more I think about it, the better I like the first character being a
letter. That gives me 52 options PLUS the 20 some oddball categories of
@#%& non-alpha characters.
You might want to avoid easily-confused choices such a 0/O, 1/I, O/Q...
 
I worked for a Japanese company that started off with a system
where their part number was whatever the part number of the
vendor who sold it to them was. Of course you can predict what
happened next; two vendors making two parts, both called 98243,
followed by a new numbering system.

I asked them how the system could have possibly worked in Japan,
and they told me they simply asked the vendors not to use the
same part numbers...
 
On Tue, 7 Jun 2005 21:53:57 +1000, "Roger Lascelles"
<despam_rklasl@aanet.com.au> wrote:

We are a small company, and we would like to implement a better components
numbering scheme.

The parts numbers need to go into our accounting system and on parts lists,
build lists and some schematics, so we don't want them to be too long.

Letters and digits are OK, but each must start with a letter. Sort order is
a consideration, because computers sort strings from left to right, often in
ascii or similar order. That means each character position has significance
and it might be best if every part had the same number of characters.

The storeroom must be organised by part number, so that we can work
systematically to find the correct shelf, container, then envelope or reel
inside the container. We need to store similar parts together in the
storeroom, to make the most of the containers. For example, SMD resistor
reels are stored together, with a number of different resistor values in
each container. This means SMD resistor part numbers must form a sequence,
though not necesarily in order of ohms value.

A part number should at least tell roughly what kind of part it is - SMD
resistor, leaded electrolytic, etc, so that means the leftmost characters
should carry that info so the sorted list is by part type.

Now, does anyone have a system like that ? Or a different or better system
?

thanks
Roger Lascelles
We have spent a number of years developing and refining our inventory
and production management system. We use sequential part numbers that
have nothing to do with the type of component. Our database system
includes lots of information about each part number that assist in
searching and identification. Each part number can encompass several
different preferred and alternate items. So, we have the top level
part number, and then one or more items under each part number.

For each part number we identify:

Category (resistor, IC, PCB, assembly, chemical, etc.)
Description
Storage location (inventory, offsite storage, hazardous lockup,
fridge, etc.)
Is part warranted, and if so for how long?
Serial number required?
History (pricing, purchasing, receiving, picking)

For each item under each part number we identify:

Manufacturer
Part number
Marking
Link to PDF datasheet
Photograph(s)


We have other stuff in there too, but this gives a good overview.

Our search tool makes a descriptive part number unnecessary. We like
the shorter part number, since there is less chance for error when
entering a part number, and it is quicker to enter. Also, whenever a
part number is entered, the system displays the part description so
that an error can be easily detected.

================================

Greg Neff
VP Engineering
*Microsym* Computers Inc.
greg@guesswhichwordgoeshere.com
 
On Wed, 08 Jun 2005 07:51:08 -0400, Greg Neff <greg@nospam.com> wrote:

On Tue, 7 Jun 2005 21:53:57 +1000, "Roger Lascelles"
despam_rklasl@aanet.com.au> wrote:

We are a small company, and we would like to implement a better components
numbering scheme.

The parts numbers need to go into our accounting system and on parts lists,
build lists and some schematics, so we don't want them to be too long.

Letters and digits are OK, but each must start with a letter. Sort order is
a consideration, because computers sort strings from left to right, often in
ascii or similar order. That means each character position has significance
and it might be best if every part had the same number of characters.

The storeroom must be organised by part number, so that we can work
systematically to find the correct shelf, container, then envelope or reel
inside the container. We need to store similar parts together in the
storeroom, to make the most of the containers. For example, SMD resistor
reels are stored together, with a number of different resistor values in
each container. This means SMD resistor part numbers must form a sequence,
though not necesarily in order of ohms value.

A part number should at least tell roughly what kind of part it is - SMD
resistor, leaded electrolytic, etc, so that means the leftmost characters
should carry that info so the sorted list is by part type.

Now, does anyone have a system like that ? Or a different or better system
?

thanks
Roger Lascelles




We have spent a number of years developing and refining our inventory
and production management system. We use sequential part numbers that
have nothing to do with the type of component. Our database system
includes lots of information about each part number that assist in
searching and identification. Each part number can encompass several
different preferred and alternate items. So, we have the top level
part number, and then one or more items under each part number.

For each part number we identify:

Category (resistor, IC, PCB, assembly, chemical, etc.)
Description
Storage location (inventory, offsite storage, hazardous lockup,
fridge, etc.)
Is part warranted, and if so for how long?
Serial number required?
History (pricing, purchasing, receiving, picking)

For each item under each part number we identify:

Manufacturer
Part number
Marking
Link to PDF datasheet
Photograph(s)


We have other stuff in there too, but this gives a good overview.

Our search tool makes a descriptive part number unnecessary. We like
the shorter part number, since there is less chance for error when
entering a part number, and it is quicker to enter. Also, whenever a
part number is entered, the system displays the part description so
that an error can be easily detected.
What does the stockroom look like? Do you have smt diodes in one bin
and relay racks in the next?

John
 
"John Larkin" <jjlarkin@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote in message
news:j31ea11g8kv4pjpib8r4a07kmfgpga2qq1@4ax.com...
On Wed, 08 Jun 2005 07:51:08 -0400, Greg Neff <greg@nospam.com> wrote:

On Tue, 7 Jun 2005 21:53:57 +1000, "Roger Lascelles"
despam_rklasl@aanet.com.au> wrote:

We are a small company, and we would like to implement a better
components
numbering scheme.

The parts numbers need to go into our accounting system and on parts
lists,
build lists and some schematics, so we don't want them to be too long.

Letters and digits are OK, but each must start with a letter. Sort
order is
a consideration, because computers sort strings from left to right,
often in
ascii or similar order. That means each character position has
significance
and it might be best if every part had the same number of characters.

The storeroom must be organised by part number, so that we can work
systematically to find the correct shelf, container, then envelope or
reel
inside the container. We need to store similar parts together in the
storeroom, to make the most of the containers. For example, SMD
resistor
reels are stored together, with a number of different resistor values in
each container. This means SMD resistor part numbers must form a
sequence,
though not necesarily in order of ohms value.

A part number should at least tell roughly what kind of part it is - SMD
resistor, leaded electrolytic, etc, so that means the leftmost
characters
should carry that info so the sorted list is by part type.

Now, does anyone have a system like that ? Or a different or better
system
?

thanks
Roger Lascelles




We have spent a number of years developing and refining our inventory
and production management system. We use sequential part numbers that
have nothing to do with the type of component. Our database system
includes lots of information about each part number that assist in
searching and identification. Each part number can encompass several
different preferred and alternate items. So, we have the top level
part number, and then one or more items under each part number.

For each part number we identify:

Category (resistor, IC, PCB, assembly, chemical, etc.)
Description
Storage location (inventory, offsite storage, hazardous lockup,
fridge, etc.)
Is part warranted, and if so for how long?
Serial number required?
History (pricing, purchasing, receiving, picking)

For each item under each part number we identify:

Manufacturer
Part number
Marking
Link to PDF datasheet
Photograph(s)


We have other stuff in there too, but this gives a good overview.

Our search tool makes a descriptive part number unnecessary. We like
the shorter part number, since there is less chance for error when
entering a part number, and it is quicker to enter. Also, whenever a
part number is entered, the system displays the part description so
that an error can be easily detected.


What does the stockroom look like? Do you have smt diodes in one bin
and relay racks in the next?

John


I worked for company that operated a system very similar to this. It was
fine for production, I believe. For the engineering design department it was
a farce. So much so, that the lazy ones amongst us could design quicker by
generating a fresh set of parts for each project. Management praise was
forthcoming. But because of over-ordering on each project, the stores
gradually grew and grew. When I investigated I found over 200,000 GBP of
unused stock, some of the parts being of high value due to their age and not
easily usable any more. The manager was not impressed and told me to keep
quiet as it added to the value of the company (although I thought that
auditors would not fall for that one).

My own preference is for a number system that at least includes an initial
digit that classifies the part, e.g. 1=RES, 2=CAP, 3=IC, 4=RECT, with
sub-assemblies being stored with reference to the drawing number system
(start another thread?)


Graham Holloway
 
In my system (1-2345-6789) all subassemblies start with 8, followed by the
top assembly number, followed by a four digit part number that is invariant
from model to model.

For example, the chassis hardware subassembly for our audio panel model 564
is

8-0564-2203

The chassis hardware subassembly for our navigation receiver model 523 is

8-0523-2203.


Is that what you had in mind?

Jim




My own preference is for a number system that at least includes an initial
digit that classifies the part, e.g. 1=RES, 2=CAP, 3=IC, 4=RECT, with
sub-assemblies being stored with reference to the drawing number system
(start another thread?)
 
Your goal is always to make it easier. If automation makes it harder,
then you have failed in the implementation. But on the other hand if
your stock guy is the only one who knows where stuff is, and he leaves...

--
Regards,

Adrian Jansen adrianjansen at internode dot on dot net
Design Engineer J & K Micro Systems
Microcomputer solutions for industrial control
Note reply address is invalid, convert address above to machine form.
 
On Wed, 08 Jun 2005 07:46:05 -0700, John Larkin
<jjlarkin@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:

On Wed, 08 Jun 2005 07:51:08 -0400, Greg Neff <greg@nospam.com> wrote:

On Tue, 7 Jun 2005 21:53:57 +1000, "Roger Lascelles"
despam_rklasl@aanet.com.au> wrote:

(snip)


What does the stockroom look like? Do you have smt diodes in one bin
and relay racks in the next?

John
We have areas of different general packaging types (small reel, large
rail, rail, tray, bulk, etc,), and within each area the parts are in
our part number order. This works fairly well, although we sometimes
have to deal with parts in different packages. It's not perfect, but
it's good enough.

================================

Greg Neff
VP Engineering
*Microsym* Computers Inc.
greg@guesswhichwordgoeshere.com
 
"Roger Lascelles" <despam_rklasl@aanet.com.au> wrote in message
news:1118145239.8b1b814e3565d3cb1c58b5148a78fa1f@teranews...
We are a small company, and we would like to implement a better components
numbering scheme.

Just use the Digikey number.
If it can't be bought from digikey, you shouldn't be using it in your
design.

Now, you might just have to move to the USA, but ...


PN2222A

Digikey p/n 497-2406-ND
 
PN2222A wrote:

Just use the Digikey number.
What do we do in the UK, where Digikey have left out 50 or so pages from
this year's catalogue?

Paul Burke
 
In article <AP6qe.1891$bv7.72@newssvr21.news.prodigy.com>,
bipolar@lithium.net says...
"Roger Lascelles" <despam_rklasl@aanet.com.au> wrote in message
news:1118145239.8b1b814e3565d3cb1c58b5148a78fa1f@teranews...
We are a small company, and we would like to implement a better components
numbering scheme.



Just use the Digikey number.
If it can't be bought from digikey, you shouldn't be using it in your
design.

Now, you might just have to move to the USA, but ...


PN2222A

Digikey p/n 497-2406-ND
What do you do when more than one Digikey p/n maps to your part spec?
Even in this case I see 12 Digikey P/ns from 7 Manufacturers.

Robert
 
Just try to keep from emulating Mouser. Some of their part numbers are
simple 6-digits from the days in the late 1960s when Jerry Mouser was
selling offshore capacitors out of the back of his pickup in San Diego.
Some of their part numbers are the manufacturer's part number prefixed by a
3-digit vendor code. Some of them are 15 digit from God knows where. Look
at their catalog for a good lesson in how to jury-rig a system that you
DON'T want to use.

Jim



Just use the Digikey number.
If it can't be bought from digikey, you shouldn't be using it in your
design.
 
On Fri, 10 Jun 2005 08:58:50 -0700, the renowned "RST Engineering
\(jw\)" <jim@rstengineering.com> wrote:

Just try to keep from emulating Mouser. Some of their part numbers are
simple 6-digits from the days in the late 1960s when Jerry Mouser was
selling offshore capacitors out of the back of his pickup in San Diego.
Some of their part numbers are the manufacturer's part number prefixed by a
3-digit vendor code. Some of them are 15 digit from God knows where. Look
at their catalog for a good lesson in how to jury-rig a system that you
DON'T want to use.

Jim
Thank goodness he didn't choose to prefix every P/N with "ND" or
something silly like that.



Best regards,
Spehro Pefhany
--
"it's the network..." "The Journey is the reward"
speff@interlog.com Info for manufacturers: http://www.trexon.com
Embedded software/hardware/analog Info for designers: http://www.speff.com
 
On Fri, 10 Jun 2005 08:58:50 -0700, RST Engineering (jw) top-posted:

Just try to keep from emulating Mouser. Some of their part numbers are
simple 6-digits from the days in the late 1960s when Jerry Mouser was
selling offshore capacitors out of the back of his pickup in San Diego.
Some of their part numbers are the manufacturer's part number prefixed by a
3-digit vendor code. Some of them are 15 digit from God knows where. Look
at their catalog for a good lesson in how to jury-rig a system that you
DON'T want to use.

Just use the Digikey number.
If it can't be bought from digikey, you shouldn't be using it in your
design.
Or, you could go with the Federal Stock Number, which I've heard has
been changed to the NATO Stock Number. I've also heard that their
nubering system was based on the Sears Roebuck & Co. stock numbering
system.

I worked for awhile at a place where their stock numbers were the
Julian Date that the part spec. got approved, and a sequence number.
It was a nightmare for us techies - of course us techies want vendor
numbers - that's why you need a decent relational database and an
understanding of how they work.

Good Luck!
Rich
 
On Wed, 8 Jun 2005 16:44:12 +0100, "Graham Holloway"
<eng@wps-electronics.demon.co.uk> wrote:

(snip)

I worked for company that operated a system very similar to this. It was
fine for production, I believe. For the engineering design department it was
a farce. So much so, that the lazy ones amongst us could design quicker by
generating a fresh set of parts for each project. Management praise was
forthcoming. But because of over-ordering on each project, the stores
gradually grew and grew. When I investigated I found over 200,000 GBP of
unused stock, some of the parts being of high value due to their age and not
easily usable any more. The manager was not impressed and told me to keep
quiet as it added to the value of the company (although I thought that
auditors would not fall for that one).

My own preference is for a number system that at least includes an initial
digit that classifies the part, e.g. 1=RES, 2=CAP, 3=IC, 4=RECT, with
sub-assemblies being stored with reference to the drawing number system
(start another thread?)


Graham Holloway
It sounds like engineering didn't have any constructive input to the
system. Clearly, an engineer wants nothing to do with meaningless
part numbers. To alleviate this problem, we handle engineering part
selection in a descriptive manner. Our OrCAD part libraries are a
controlled part of our inventory system. If I need a 1K 5% 0402
resistor, I open the RES_SMD_0402 library, and select 'R 1K 5% 0402'
from that library. Nothing hard about that. Each part in each OrCAD
library must include a field that is our unique part number. If we
don't have 'R 1K 5% 0402' in the library, then we generate a new part
number in the system and then generate the part in the OrCAD library.
Generic library parts are prohibited.

When we generate the BOM, we include our part number field. Our
inventory control system scans the BOM into the system. Once it's in
the system, we can generate work orders for x number of that assembly,
including inventory pick lists, buy lists, etc.

================================

Greg Neff
VP Engineering
*Microsym* Computers Inc.
greg@guesswhichwordgoeshere.com
 

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