OT: Yet another reason to carry concealed weapons...

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Flyguy

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https://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/local/security-camera-video-lapd-hancock-park-robbers-mother-baby-stroller/2770065/
 
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Anthony William Sloman

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On Thursday, December 2, 2021 at 2:41:03 PM UTC+11, Flyguy wrote:
> https://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/local/security-camera-video-lapd-hancock-park-robbers-mother-baby-stroller/2770065/

Flyguy loves over-kill.

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Fred Bloggs

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On Wednesday, December 1, 2021 at 10:41:03 PM UTC-5, Flyguy wrote:
> https://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/local/security-camera-video-lapd-hancock-park-robbers-mother-baby-stroller/2770065/

Unless the victim is prepared to kill the assailants with enthusiasm and without hesitation, with a point blank chest shot, the gun is just something else for them to steal. Most people are afraid to kill another human being and that\'s why the gun is worthless.
 
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Phil Allison

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Fred Bloggs wrote:
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Unless the victim is prepared to kill the assailants with enthusiasm and without hesitation,
with a point blank chest shot, the gun is just something else for them to steal.
Most people are afraid to kill another human being and that\'s why the gun is worthless.

** Most people like that do not buy guns in the first place.
Plus the assailant does not know who he is up against.

Might be a mild mannered lad ( or lass ) just like Kyle.



....... Phil
 
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Rick C

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On Thursday, December 2, 2021 at 1:39:36 AM UTC-4, palli...@gmail.com wrote:
Fred Bloggs wrote:
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Unless the victim is prepared to kill the assailants with enthusiasm and without hesitation,
with a point blank chest shot, the gun is just something else for them to steal.
Most people are afraid to kill another human being and that\'s why the gun is worthless.

** Most people like that do not buy guns in the first place.
Plus the assailant does not know who he is up against.

Might be a mild mannered lad ( or lass ) just like Kyle.

Most places there was no point in the robbery when shooting anyone would have been justified, Texas excluded. Seems in Texas you can shoot people for pretty much anything including wearing a Halloween mask and not go to jail.

Why would you want to shoot someone to protect a diaper bag? I just hope the bag had some dirty diapers in it. Then the robbers could be charged with possession of hazardous material.

Why would anyone think a gun was needed when the only need was to shut the gate behind her?

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amdx

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On 12/1/2021 9:51 PM, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
On Thursday, December 2, 2021 at 2:41:03 PM UTC+11, Flyguy wrote:
https://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/local/security-camera-video-lapd-hancock-park-robbers-mother-baby-stroller/2770065/
Flyguy loves over-kill.

Or maybe not overkill.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LaffyLzxHnY&t=113s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D0NmCzKtexk&t=124s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BqKrVtqOuRE&t=69s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cLPKwpc_xUs&t=86s

Here a female officer takes out a perp after he shoots at her.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PLZMT8LPQe0





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Flyguy

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On Wednesday, December 1, 2021 at 7:51:39 PM UTC-8, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
On Thursday, December 2, 2021 at 2:41:03 PM UTC+11, Flyguy wrote:
https://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/local/security-camera-video-lapd-hancock-park-robbers-mother-baby-stroller/2770065/

Flyguy loves over-kill.

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Flyguy

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On Wednesday, December 1, 2021 at 8:21:39 PM UTC-8, Fred Bloggs wrote:
On Wednesday, December 1, 2021 at 10:41:03 PM UTC-5, Flyguy wrote:
https://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/local/security-camera-video-lapd-hancock-park-robbers-mother-baby-stroller/2770065/

Unless the victim is prepared to kill the assailants with enthusiasm and without hesitation, with a point blank chest shot, the gun is just something else for them to steal. Most people are afraid to kill another human being and that\'s why the gun is worthless.

You have two choices in this situation: you can be:
1. The Victim.
2. The Defender.
The Victim accepts WHATEVER the perps decide is their fate; the Defender stops the attack. Generally, that once the perps see that the Defender is armed and go on to another victim - FAST! If they don\'t, they become statistics and there are fewer criminals to prey among law-abiding people. This is THEIR choice.
 
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Flyguy

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On Thursday, December 2, 2021 at 5:24:54 AM UTC-8, gnuarm.del...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thursday, December 2, 2021 at 1:39:36 AM UTC-4, palli...@gmail.com wrote:
Fred Bloggs wrote:
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Unless the victim is prepared to kill the assailants with enthusiasm and without hesitation,
with a point blank chest shot, the gun is just something else for them to steal.
Most people are afraid to kill another human being and that\'s why the gun is worthless.

** Most people like that do not buy guns in the first place.
Plus the assailant does not know who he is up against.

Might be a mild mannered lad ( or lass ) just like Kyle.
Most places there was no point in the robbery when shooting anyone would have been justified, Texas excluded. Seems in Texas you can shoot people for pretty much anything including wearing a Halloween mask and not go to jail.

Why would you want to shoot someone to protect a diaper bag? I just hope the bag had some dirty diapers in it. Then the robbers could be charged with possession of hazardous material.

Why would anyone think a gun was needed when the only need was to shut the gate behind her?

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No country I know of requires its citizens to submit to criminals. The victim has NO IDEA what the perps are going to do to her or her baby - she has EVERY RIGHT to defend herself with WHATEVER MEANS available to her. To think that they were there to steal her DIAPER BAG is downright INSULTING! OF COURSE they are not there to do that, you IDIOT!!
 
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Phil Allison

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Flyguy wrote:
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Unless the victim is prepared to kill the assailants with enthusiasm and without hesitation,
with a point blank chest shot, the gun is just something else for them to steal. Most people
are afraid to kill another human being and that\'s why the gun is worthless.

You have two choices in this situation: you can be:
1. The Victim.
2. The Defender.

The Victim accepts WHATEVER the perps decide is their fate; the Defender stops the attack.
Generally, that once the perps see that the Defender is armed and go on to another victim - FAST!
If they don\'t, they become statistics and there are fewer criminals to prey among law-abiding people.
This is THEIR choice.

** Way too simplistic - like all your idiot posts.

The \"defender\" in your fake scenario has to risk a long jail tern for shooting an unarmed man.
In real life scenarios, there are no witnesses you can rely on and no way to show a court you were justified.



........ Phil
 
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Sylvia Else

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On 02-Dec-21 2:41 pm, Flyguy wrote:
https://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/local/security-camera-video-lapd-hancock-park-robbers-mother-baby-stroller/2770065/

Would be pretty good (for me) if I were allowed to carry concealed
weapons, but no one else was. That way, I could defend myself when
necessary without having to worry about the increased likelihood that an
attacker was carrying a gun.

However, I\'m pretty sure that legislation along those lines is not going
to be enacted anywhere - not even if gun-loving \'merica.

With that option off the table, I\'m probably safer if no one is allowed
to carry a concealed weapon than if everyone is.

Sylvia.
 
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Anthony William Sloman

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On Friday, December 3, 2021 at 2:04:01 PM UTC+11, Flyguy wrote:
On Thursday, December 2, 2021 at 5:24:54 AM UTC-8, gnuarm.del...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thursday, December 2, 2021 at 1:39:36 AM UTC-4, palli...@gmail.com wrote:
Fred Bloggs wrote:
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Unless the victim is prepared to kill the assailants with enthusiasm and without hesitation,
with a point blank chest shot, the gun is just something else for them to steal.
Most people are afraid to kill another human being and that\'s why the gun is worthless.

** Most people like that do not buy guns in the first place.
Plus the assailant does not know who he is up against.

Might be a mild mannered lad ( or lass ) just like Kyle.
Most places there was no point in the robbery when shooting anyone would have been justified, Texas excluded. Seems in Texas you can shoot people for pretty much anything including wearing a Halloween mask and not go to jail.

Why would you want to shoot someone to protect a diaper bag? I just hope the bag had some dirty diapers in it. Then the robbers could be charged with possession of hazardous material.

Why would anyone think a gun was needed when the only need was to shut the gate behind her?

No country I know of requires its citizens to submit to criminals. The victim has NO IDEA what the perps are going to do to her or her baby - she has EVERY RIGHT to defend herself with WHATEVER MEANS available to her.

If you have to keep life as simple as Flyguy seems to need to, that simple binary choice might be only one that you would bother to think about.

Most advanced industrial countries actively discourage their citizens from carrying guns, and still don\'t feel the need to imprison as high a proportion of their populations as the US does. Discouraging simple minded half-wits like Flyguy from carrying a concealed gun does seem to have the beneficial side effect of making mas shooting less likely, as well as reducing gun suicides and gun murders by about a factor of ten.

> To think that they were there to steal her DIAPER BAG is downright INSULTING! OF COURSE they are not there to do that, you IDIOT!!

So what were they there to do? That *was* what they ended up doing.

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Rick C

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On Thursday, December 2, 2021 at 10:04:01 PM UTC-5, Flyguy wrote:
On Thursday, December 2, 2021 at 5:24:54 AM UTC-8, gnuarm.del...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thursday, December 2, 2021 at 1:39:36 AM UTC-4, palli...@gmail.com wrote:
Fred Bloggs wrote:
===============


Unless the victim is prepared to kill the assailants with enthusiasm and without hesitation,
with a point blank chest shot, the gun is just something else for them to steal.
Most people are afraid to kill another human being and that\'s why the gun is worthless.

** Most people like that do not buy guns in the first place.
Plus the assailant does not know who he is up against.

Might be a mild mannered lad ( or lass ) just like Kyle.
Most places there was no point in the robbery when shooting anyone would have been justified, Texas excluded. Seems in Texas you can shoot people for pretty much anything including wearing a Halloween mask and not go to jail.

Why would you want to shoot someone to protect a diaper bag? I just hope the bag had some dirty diapers in it. Then the robbers could be charged with possession of hazardous material.

Why would anyone think a gun was needed when the only need was to shut the gate behind her?

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No country I know of requires its citizens to submit to criminals. The victim has NO IDEA what the perps are going to do to her or her baby - she has EVERY RIGHT to defend herself with WHATEVER MEANS available to her. To think that they were there to steal her DIAPER BAG is downright INSULTING! OF COURSE they are not there to do that, you IDIOT!!

I am an idiot to try to discuss anything reasonably with you. The perps at no time did anything to threaten anyone that I could see. If someone wants your bag, give it to them. Of course they didn\'t intend to steal diapers, but that\'s what they did. Would it have been ok to kill them as they were leaving with their ill-gotten diapers?

Like I said, in most states you will be the criminal for shooting someone who is unarmed and has made no threats against you... unless you are a cop. That\'s why cops don\'t want you to have guns. If a cop shows up and you are holding a gun, you will be killed by the cop. It has happened no small number of times, the good guy with a gun gets killed by the cops. Cops hardly ever get in trouble for shooting someone. In fact, it is best if they are killed, then they can\'t testify.

I can\'t believe you don\'t know all this already.

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Rick C

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On Thursday, December 2, 2021 at 10:10:58 PM UTC-5, palli...@gmail.com wrote:
Flyguy wrote:
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Unless the victim is prepared to kill the assailants with enthusiasm and without hesitation,
with a point blank chest shot, the gun is just something else for them to steal. Most people
are afraid to kill another human being and that\'s why the gun is worthless.

You have two choices in this situation: you can be:
1. The Victim.
2. The Defender.

The Victim accepts WHATEVER the perps decide is their fate; the Defender stops the attack.
Generally, that once the perps see that the Defender is armed and go on to another victim - FAST!
If they don\'t, they become statistics and there are fewer criminals to prey among law-abiding people.
This is THEIR choice.

** Way too simplistic - like all your idiot posts.

The \"defender\" in your fake scenario has to risk a long jail tern for shooting an unarmed man.
In real life scenarios, there are no witnesses you can rely on and no way to show a court you were justified.

The gun was put in the diaper bag thinking no one steals a diaper bag! Now there\'s another gun roaming around in the criminal circuits.

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server

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Rick C <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> wrote in
news:7ffad6ef-65f3-44d0-8923-3df05b346b89n@googlegroups.com:

On Thursday, December 2, 2021 at 10:04:01 PM UTC-5, Flyguy wrote:
On Thursday, December 2, 2021 at 5:24:54 AM UTC-8,
gnuarm.del...@gmail.co
m wrote:
On Thursday, December 2, 2021 at 1:39:36 AM UTC-4,
palli...@gmail.com w
rote:
Fred Bloggs wrote:
===============


Unless the victim is prepared to kill the assailants with
enthusias
m and without hesitation,
with a point blank chest shot, the gun is just something
else for t
hem to steal.
Most people are afraid to kill another human being and
that\'s why t
he gun is worthless.

** Most people like that do not buy guns in the first place.
Plus the assailant does not know who he is up against.

Might be a mild mannered lad ( or lass ) just like Kyle.
Most places there was no point in the robbery when shooting
anyone woul
d have been justified, Texas excluded. Seems in Texas you can
shoot people for pretty much anything including wearing a
Halloween mask and not go to jail.

Why would you want to shoot someone to protect a diaper bag? I
just hop
e the bag had some dirty diapers in it. Then the robbers could be
charged with possession of hazardous material.

Why would anyone think a gun was needed when the only need was
to shut
the gate behind her?

--

Rick C.

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No country I know of requires its citizens to submit to
criminals. The vi
ctim has NO IDEA what the perps are going to do to her or her baby
- she has EVERY RIGHT to defend herself with WHATEVER MEANS
available to her. To think that they were there to steal her
DIAPER BAG is downright INSULTING! OF COURSE they are not there to
do that, you IDIOT!!

I am an idiot to try to discuss anything reasonably with you. The
perps at no time did anything to threaten anyone that I could see.
If someone wants your bag, give it to them. Of course they
didn\'t intend to steal diapers, but that\'s what they did. Would
it have been ok to kill them as they were leaving with their
ill-gotten diapers?

Like I said, in most states you will be the criminal for shooting
someone who is unarmed and has made no threats against you...
unless you are a cop. That\'s why cops don\'t want you to have
guns. If a cop shows up and you are holding a gun, you will be
killed by the cop. It has happened no small number of times, the
good guy with a gun gets killed by the cops. Cops hardly ever get
in trouble for shooting someone. In fact, it is best if they are
killed, then they can\'t testify.

I can\'t believe you don\'t know all this already.

A cop will kill you because less paperwork is done. And it usually
means an administrative leave with pay. Win win for the cop. Once
they decide to mete justice upon you, you get a pair, and if you are
still moving, more.
 
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Michael Terrell

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On Thursday, December 2, 2021 at 10:04:01 PM UTC-5, Flyguy wrote:
No country I know of requires its citizens to submit to criminals. The victim has NO IDEA what the perps are going to do to her or her baby - she has EVERY RIGHT to defend herself with WHATEVER MEANS available to her. To think that they were there to steal her DIAPER BAG is downright INSULTING! OF COURSE they are not there to do that, you IDIOT!!

Sloman isn\'t a \'citizen\', he\'s a \'subject\' that was trained from childhood to be a victim.
 
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Anthony William Sloman

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On Saturday, December 4, 2021 at 11:40:07 PM UTC+11, terrell....@gmail.com wrote:
On Thursday, December 2, 2021 at 10:04:01 PM UTC-5, Flyguy wrote:

No country I know of requires its citizens to submit to criminals. The victim has NO IDEA what the perps are going to do to her or her baby - she has EVERY RIGHT to defend herself with WHATEVER MEANS available to her. To think that they were there to steal her DIAPER BAG is downright INSULTING! OF COURSE they are not there to do that, you IDIOT!!

Sloman isn\'t a \'citizen\', he\'s a \'subject\' that was trained from childhood to be a victim.

Don\'t be stupid. Australia takes civil liberties just as seriously as the US. Like most advanced industrial countries they insist that if you want to have a gun at home you have to get license from the police. This may infringe what you see as one of your liberties, but we don\'t have nearly as many mass shooting incidents as you do, and many fewer gun murders and gun suicides. Public opinion in Australia sees America\'s approach to gun ownership as dangerous lunacy.

Our reaction to the 1996

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Port_Arthur_massacre_(Australia)

was to tighten up the rules on gun ownership quite a bit.

\" The government initiated a mandatory \"buy-back\" scheme with the owners paid according to a table of valuations. Some 643,000 firearms were handed in at a cost of $350 million.\"

It seems to have worked - we haven\'t had a mass shooting since then. One Australia lunatic had to move to New Zealand before he could buy the guns he used to kill even more people there.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christchurch_mosque_shootings

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Michael Terrell

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On Saturday, December 4, 2021 at 8:07:43 AM UTC-5, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
On Saturday, December 4, 2021 at 11:40:07 PM UTC+11, terrell....@gmail.com wrote:
On Thursday, December 2, 2021 at 10:04:01 PM UTC-5, Flyguy wrote:

No country I know of requires its citizens to submit to criminals. The victim has NO IDEA what the perps are going to do to her or her baby - she has EVERY RIGHT to defend herself with WHATEVER MEANS available to her. To think that they were there to steal her DIAPER BAG is downright INSULTING! OF COURSE they are not there to do that, you IDIOT!!

Sloman isn\'t a \'citizen\', he\'s a \'subject\' that was trained from childhood to be a victim.
Don\'t be stupid. Australia takes civil liberties just as seriously as the US. Like most advanced industrial countries they insist that if you want to have a gun at home you have to get license from the police. This may infringe what you see as one of your liberties, but we don\'t have nearly as many mass shooting incidents as you do, and many fewer gun murders and gun suicides. Public opinion in Australia sees America\'s approach to gun ownership as dangerous lunacy.

Our reaction to the 1996

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Port_Arthur_massacre_(Australia)

was to tighten up the rules on gun ownership quite a bit.

\" The government initiated a mandatory \"buy-back\" scheme with the owners paid according to a table of valuations. Some 643,000 firearms were handed in at a cost of $350 million.\"

It seems to have worked - we haven\'t had a mass shooting since then. One Australia lunatic had to move to New Zealand before he could buy the guns he used to kill even more people there.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christchurch_mosque_shootings

https://teamtuckercarlson.com/news/i-was-treated-like-a-criminal-woman-detained-for-14-days-in-australian-quarantine-camp-speaks-out/
 
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Ralph Mowery

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In article <4aecb416-2cc6-4c2c-a95a-45c4407103ffn@googlegroups.com>,
bill.sloman@ieee.org says...
Tucker Carlson doesn\'t seem to understand what quarantine is supposed to do, and neither does the woman interviewed - which isn\'t surprising since Tucker Carlson also features on Fox News.

\"Australia has become a ?case study for what happens when a country will do anything to keep COVID numbers low.?

It won\'t actually do \"anything\" but it does enough to keep case numbers low, which the US couldn\'t manage.

The US has about as many illegals/ undocummentated or what ever you want
to call them as the entire population of Australia. We can not or will
not keep them out let alone quarenteen or check them for the virus.

That is part of the reason some common things like the bed bugs are
comming back into the US.
 
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Rick C

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On Wednesday, December 8, 2021 at 8:10:03 AM UTC-5, terrell....@gmail.com wrote:
On Saturday, December 4, 2021 at 8:07:43 AM UTC-5, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
On Saturday, December 4, 2021 at 11:40:07 PM UTC+11, terrell....@gmail.com wrote:
On Thursday, December 2, 2021 at 10:04:01 PM UTC-5, Flyguy wrote:

No country I know of requires its citizens to submit to criminals. The victim has NO IDEA what the perps are going to do to her or her baby - she has EVERY RIGHT to defend herself with WHATEVER MEANS available to her. To think that they were there to steal her DIAPER BAG is downright INSULTING! OF COURSE they are not there to do that, you IDIOT!!

Sloman isn\'t a \'citizen\', he\'s a \'subject\' that was trained from childhood to be a victim.
Don\'t be stupid. Australia takes civil liberties just as seriously as the US. Like most advanced industrial countries they insist that if you want to have a gun at home you have to get license from the police. This may infringe what you see as one of your liberties, but we don\'t have nearly as many mass shooting incidents as you do, and many fewer gun murders and gun suicides. Public opinion in Australia sees America\'s approach to gun ownership as dangerous lunacy.

Our reaction to the 1996

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Port_Arthur_massacre_(Australia)

was to tighten up the rules on gun ownership quite a bit.

\" The government initiated a mandatory \"buy-back\" scheme with the owners paid according to a table of valuations. Some 643,000 firearms were handed in at a cost of $350 million.\"

It seems to have worked - we haven\'t had a mass shooting since then. One Australia lunatic had to move to New Zealand before he could buy the guns he used to kill even more people there.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christchurch_mosque_shootings
https://teamtuckercarlson.com/news/i-was-treated-like-a-criminal-woman-detained-for-14-days-in-australian-quarantine-camp-speaks-out/

What exactly did you read in that article which was so bad? I read several times that she felt like she was treated like a criminal simply because she was quarantined. I didn\'t see where they gave her poor food, or restricted what she read or watched on cable or that she was not allowed to talk to others on the outside. She just didn\'t want to be in quarantine.

Or maybe you support the quarantine operation and recognize how it prevents covid from spreading around the world or at least in that country?

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