OT: Watch expert...

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bitrex

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On 1/27/2022 7:24 PM, bitrex wrote:
My elderly mother found a vintage ladies watch in some effects from her
last move in storage that she hadn\'t gone through, maybe Swiss (Girard
Perregaux on the dial, extremely tiny), she thinks it might have been
her my grandmother\'s but she can\'t recall.

Oops, my grandmother\'s to be clear, not her grandmother\'s which would be
pretty old!
 
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Lasse Langwadt Christensen

Guest
fredag den 28. januar 2022 kl. 01.24.30 UTC+1 skrev bitrex:
My elderly mother found a vintage ladies watch in some effects from her
last move in storage that she hadn\'t gone through, maybe Swiss (Girard
Perregaux on the dial, extremely tiny), she thinks it might have been
her my grandmother\'s but she can\'t recall.

I know very little about watches, even less about 50 year old
maybe-Swiss watches.

Took it to a couple local jewelers, one said he didn\'t do appraisals on
old pieces and the other guy looked at it for about 2 seconds and said
\"Just a watch, not worth anything particular\" due to the back likely
being base metal like aluminum and likely not gold or silver.

Honestly they both seemed like shitheads and I\'d want a second opinion.
Any advice on what kind of shop to take it to where they might have an
actual expert in vintage watches on staff?

The band and backplate fail the neodymium magnet test. The main
enclosure is non-magnetic.

(figured there are probably some watch-enthusiasts in the EE community
who\'d know how to find out more about a particular model)

it\'s a fancy Swiss brand, I sure google can tell you more, maybe try google images to find the model
 
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John Larkin

Guest
On Thu, 27 Jan 2022 19:24:23 -0500, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

My elderly mother found a vintage ladies watch in some effects from her
last move in storage that she hadn\'t gone through, maybe Swiss (Girard
Perregaux on the dial, extremely tiny), she thinks it might have been
her my grandmother\'s but she can\'t recall.

I know very little about watches, even less about 50 year old
maybe-Swiss watches.

Took it to a couple local jewelers, one said he didn\'t do appraisals on
old pieces and the other guy looked at it for about 2 seconds and said
\"Just a watch, not worth anything particular\" due to the back likely
being base metal like aluminum and likely not gold or silver.

Honestly they both seemed like shitheads and I\'d want a second opinion.
Any advice on what kind of shop to take it to where they might have an
actual expert in vintage watches on staff?

The band and backplate fail the neodymium magnet test. The main
enclosure is non-magnetic.

(figured there are probably some watch-enthusiasts in the EE community
who\'d know how to find out more about a particular model)

A magnet can wreck a mechanical watch. But they can be demagnetized.

--

If a man will begin with certainties, he shall end with doubts,
but if he will be content to begin with doubts he shall end in certainties.
Francis Bacon
 
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bitrex

Guest
On 1/27/2022 7:45 PM, John Larkin wrote:
On Thu, 27 Jan 2022 19:24:23 -0500, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

My elderly mother found a vintage ladies watch in some effects from her
last move in storage that she hadn\'t gone through, maybe Swiss (Girard
Perregaux on the dial, extremely tiny), she thinks it might have been
her my grandmother\'s but she can\'t recall.

I know very little about watches, even less about 50 year old
maybe-Swiss watches.

Took it to a couple local jewelers, one said he didn\'t do appraisals on
old pieces and the other guy looked at it for about 2 seconds and said
\"Just a watch, not worth anything particular\" due to the back likely
being base metal like aluminum and likely not gold or silver.

Honestly they both seemed like shitheads and I\'d want a second opinion.
Any advice on what kind of shop to take it to where they might have an
actual expert in vintage watches on staff?

The band and backplate fail the neodymium magnet test. The main
enclosure is non-magnetic.

(figured there are probably some watch-enthusiasts in the EE community
who\'d know how to find out more about a particular model)

A magnet can wreck a mechanical watch. But they can be demagnetized.

Hope not, but the magnet was very tiny. The mechanism may not be in
great shape to begin with I expect it hasn\'t run in decades.
 
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bitrex

Guest
On 1/27/2022 7:31 PM, Lasse Langwadt Christensen wrote:
fredag den 28. januar 2022 kl. 01.24.30 UTC+1 skrev bitrex:
My elderly mother found a vintage ladies watch in some effects from her
last move in storage that she hadn\'t gone through, maybe Swiss (Girard
Perregaux on the dial, extremely tiny), she thinks it might have been
her my grandmother\'s but she can\'t recall.

I know very little about watches, even less about 50 year old
maybe-Swiss watches.

Took it to a couple local jewelers, one said he didn\'t do appraisals on
old pieces and the other guy looked at it for about 2 seconds and said
\"Just a watch, not worth anything particular\" due to the back likely
being base metal like aluminum and likely not gold or silver.

Honestly they both seemed like shitheads and I\'d want a second opinion.
Any advice on what kind of shop to take it to where they might have an
actual expert in vintage watches on staff?

The band and backplate fail the neodymium magnet test. The main
enclosure is non-magnetic.

(figured there are probably some watch-enthusiasts in the EE community
who\'d know how to find out more about a particular model)

it\'s a fancy Swiss brand, I sure google can tell you more, maybe try google images to find the model

No luck so far, I can only find vaguely similar models:

<https://imgur.com/a/MAoifTg>

Only markings are \"8477A\" stamped on the back, and a tiny \"20\" by the crown:

<https://imgur.com/a/ZkqpO4q>

I don\'t expect it\'s worth a huge amount, more curious as to how old it
is and who was buying my mother or grandmother Swiss watches, if it\'s
genuine. 50s or 60s, maybe.

They weren\'t really the fancy Swiss watch-type I doubt they\'d have
bought it for themselves...
 
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Lasse Langwadt Christensen

Guest
fredag den 28. januar 2022 kl. 01.58.02 UTC+1 skrev bitrex:
On 1/27/2022 7:31 PM, Lasse Langwadt Christensen wrote:
fredag den 28. januar 2022 kl. 01.24.30 UTC+1 skrev bitrex:
My elderly mother found a vintage ladies watch in some effects from her
last move in storage that she hadn\'t gone through, maybe Swiss (Girard
Perregaux on the dial, extremely tiny), she thinks it might have been
her my grandmother\'s but she can\'t recall.

I know very little about watches, even less about 50 year old
maybe-Swiss watches.

Took it to a couple local jewelers, one said he didn\'t do appraisals on
old pieces and the other guy looked at it for about 2 seconds and said
\"Just a watch, not worth anything particular\" due to the back likely
being base metal like aluminum and likely not gold or silver.

Honestly they both seemed like shitheads and I\'d want a second opinion.
Any advice on what kind of shop to take it to where they might have an
actual expert in vintage watches on staff?

The band and backplate fail the neodymium magnet test. The main
enclosure is non-magnetic.

(figured there are probably some watch-enthusiasts in the EE community
who\'d know how to find out more about a particular model)

it\'s a fancy Swiss brand, I sure google can tell you more, maybe try google images to find the model
No luck so far, I can only find vaguely similar models:

https://imgur.com/a/MAoifTg

Only markings are \"8477A\" stamped on the back, and a tiny \"20\" by the crown:

https://imgur.com/a/ZkqpO4q

I don\'t expect it\'s worth a huge amount, more curious as to how old it
is and who was buying my mother or grandmother Swiss watches, if it\'s
genuine. 50s or 60s, maybe.

They weren\'t really the fancy Swiss watch-type I doubt they\'d have
bought it for themselves...

https://www.catawiki.com/en/l/9177987-for-collectors-girard-perregaux-women-s-watch-oval-1945-1950

?
 
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bitrex

Guest
On 1/27/2022 8:16 PM, Lasse Langwadt Christensen wrote:
fredag den 28. januar 2022 kl. 01.58.02 UTC+1 skrev bitrex:
On 1/27/2022 7:31 PM, Lasse Langwadt Christensen wrote:
fredag den 28. januar 2022 kl. 01.24.30 UTC+1 skrev bitrex:
My elderly mother found a vintage ladies watch in some effects from her
last move in storage that she hadn\'t gone through, maybe Swiss (Girard
Perregaux on the dial, extremely tiny), she thinks it might have been
her my grandmother\'s but she can\'t recall.

I know very little about watches, even less about 50 year old
maybe-Swiss watches.

Took it to a couple local jewelers, one said he didn\'t do appraisals on
old pieces and the other guy looked at it for about 2 seconds and said
\"Just a watch, not worth anything particular\" due to the back likely
being base metal like aluminum and likely not gold or silver.

Honestly they both seemed like shitheads and I\'d want a second opinion.
Any advice on what kind of shop to take it to where they might have an
actual expert in vintage watches on staff?

The band and backplate fail the neodymium magnet test. The main
enclosure is non-magnetic.

(figured there are probably some watch-enthusiasts in the EE community
who\'d know how to find out more about a particular model)

it\'s a fancy Swiss brand, I sure google can tell you more, maybe try google images to find the model
No luck so far, I can only find vaguely similar models:

https://imgur.com/a/MAoifTg

Only markings are \"8477A\" stamped on the back, and a tiny \"20\" by the crown:

https://imgur.com/a/ZkqpO4q

I don\'t expect it\'s worth a huge amount, more curious as to how old it
is and who was buying my mother or grandmother Swiss watches, if it\'s
genuine. 50s or 60s, maybe.

They weren\'t really the fancy Swiss watch-type I doubt they\'d have
bought it for themselves...


https://www.catawiki.com/en/l/9177987-for-collectors-girard-perregaux-women-s-watch-oval-1945-1950

?

Interesting, yeah that looks quite a bit like it.
 
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Tom Gardner

Guest
On 28/01/22 00:24, bitrex wrote:
My elderly mother found a vintage ladies watch in some effects from her last
move in storage that she hadn\'t gone through, maybe Swiss (Girard Perregaux on
the dial, extremely tiny), she thinks it might have been her my grandmother\'s
but she can\'t recall.

I know very little about watches, even less about 50 year old maybe-Swiss watches.

Took it to a couple local jewelers, one said he didn\'t do appraisals on old
pieces and the other guy looked at it for about 2 seconds and said \"Just a
watch, not worth anything particular\" due to the back likely being base metal
like aluminum and likely not gold or silver.

Honestly they both seemed like shitheads and I\'d want a second opinion. Any
advice on what kind of shop to take it to where they might have an actual expert
in vintage watches on staff?

The band and backplate fail the neodymium magnet test. The main enclosure is
non-magnetic.

(figured there are probably some watch-enthusiasts in the EE community who\'d
know how to find out more about a particular model)

An auction house will have valuers.

Some auction houses will give an initial value if you send
them decent photos.

Try to use an auction house that has dedicated watch,
barometer, instruments sales.
 
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bitrex

Guest
On 1/28/2022 5:07 AM, Tom Gardner wrote:
On 28/01/22 00:24, bitrex wrote:
My elderly mother found a vintage ladies watch in some effects from
her last move in storage that she hadn\'t gone through, maybe Swiss
(Girard Perregaux on the dial, extremely tiny), she thinks it might
have been her my grandmother\'s but she can\'t recall.

I know very little about watches, even less about 50 year old
maybe-Swiss watches.

Took it to a couple local jewelers, one said he didn\'t do appraisals
on old pieces and the other guy looked at it for about 2 seconds and
said \"Just a watch, not worth anything particular\" due to the back
likely being base metal like aluminum and likely not gold or silver.

Honestly they both seemed like shitheads and I\'d want a second
opinion. Any advice on what kind of shop to take it to where they
might have an actual expert in vintage watches on staff?

The band and backplate fail the neodymium magnet test. The main
enclosure is non-magnetic.

(figured there are probably some watch-enthusiasts in the EE community
who\'d know how to find out more about a particular model)

An auction house will have valuers.

Some auction houses will give an initial value if you send
them decent photos.

Try to use an auction house that has dedicated watch,
barometer, instruments sales.

Ya it\'s not really an appropriate task for a local jeweler, if they
don\'t see a karat hallmark on it immediately they\'re not interested no
matter how old it is, they\'re not historians.

They also size me up as not a person who\'s going to drop 5k on a watch
or diamond band today, and they\'d be right, the stuff has never held
much interest for me. And I expect my girlfriend would turn her nose up
if I ever bought her something from De Beers, like what\'d you buy me
these blood-diamonds for.
 
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ABLE1

Guest
On 1/27/2022 7:24 PM, bitrex wrote:
My elderly mother found a vintage ladies watch in some effects from her
last move in storage that she hadn\'t gone through, maybe Swiss (Girard
Perregaux on the dial, extremely tiny), she thinks it might have been
her my grandmother\'s but she can\'t recall.

I know very little about watches, even less about 50 year old
maybe-Swiss watches.

Took it to a couple local jewelers, one said he didn\'t do appraisals on
old pieces and the other guy looked at it for about 2 seconds and said
\"Just a watch, not worth anything particular\" due to the back likely
being base metal like aluminum and likely not gold or silver.

Honestly they both seemed like shitheads and I\'d want a second opinion.
Any advice on what kind of shop to take it to where they might have an
actual expert in vintage watches on staff?

The band and backplate fail the neodymium magnet test. The main
enclosure is non-magnetic.

(figured there are probably some watch-enthusiasts in the EE community
who\'d know how to find out more about a particular model)

Don\'t know but try this!!

https://www.nawcc.org
 
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legg

Guest
On Thu, 27 Jan 2022 19:24:23 -0500, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

My elderly mother found a vintage ladies watch in some effects from her
last move in storage that she hadn\'t gone through, maybe Swiss (Girard
Perregaux on the dial, extremely tiny), she thinks it might have been
her my grandmother\'s but she can\'t recall.

I know very little about watches, even less about 50 year old
maybe-Swiss watches.

Took it to a couple local jewelers, one said he didn\'t do appraisals on
old pieces and the other guy looked at it for about 2 seconds and said
\"Just a watch, not worth anything particular\" due to the back likely
being base metal like aluminum and likely not gold or silver.

Honestly they both seemed like shitheads and I\'d want a second opinion.
Any advice on what kind of shop to take it to where they might have an
actual expert in vintage watches on staff?

The band and backplate fail the neodymium magnet test. The main
enclosure is non-magnetic.

(figured there are probably some watch-enthusiasts in the EE community
who\'d know how to find out more about a particular model)

A jeweller\'s appraisal is usually <30% of resale, or gross weight of
raw matl. Few can repair a watch these days - they get shipped off
to someone who can, at a mark-up for the service. I\'m not sure I\'d
trust most places to simply clean one.

Unless rare, unelaborate watches in base metal are cannibalized to
keep watches in fancier cases (with better resale value) running.
I\'ve seen really old cases retrofitted with battery-operated junk
innards.

If it\'s not a boat anchor, what\'s the harm in keeping it as a memento?

RL
 
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server

Guest
On Fri, 28 Jan 2022 05:32:34 -0500, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

On 1/28/2022 5:07 AM, Tom Gardner wrote:
On 28/01/22 00:24, bitrex wrote:
My elderly mother found a vintage ladies watch in some effects from
her last move in storage that she hadn\'t gone through, maybe Swiss
(Girard Perregaux on the dial, extremely tiny), she thinks it might
have been her my grandmother\'s but she can\'t recall.

I know very little about watches, even less about 50 year old
maybe-Swiss watches.

Took it to a couple local jewelers, one said he didn\'t do appraisals
on old pieces and the other guy looked at it for about 2 seconds and
said \"Just a watch, not worth anything particular\" due to the back
likely being base metal like aluminum and likely not gold or silver.

Honestly they both seemed like shitheads and I\'d want a second
opinion. Any advice on what kind of shop to take it to where they
might have an actual expert in vintage watches on staff?

The band and backplate fail the neodymium magnet test. The main
enclosure is non-magnetic.

(figured there are probably some watch-enthusiasts in the EE community
who\'d know how to find out more about a particular model)

An auction house will have valuers.

Some auction houses will give an initial value if you send
them decent photos.

Try to use an auction house that has dedicated watch,
barometer, instruments sales.

Ya it\'s not really an appropriate task for a local jeweler, if they
don\'t see a karat hallmark on it immediately they\'re not interested no
matter how old it is, they\'re not historians.

They also size me up as not a person who\'s going to drop 5k on a watch
or diamond band today, and they\'d be right, the stuff has never held
much interest for me. And I expect my girlfriend would turn her nose up
if I ever bought her something from De Beers, like what\'d you buy me
these blood-diamonds for.

Your granny\'s watch is only good for how much you can sell it for.



--

I yam what I yam - Popeye
 
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bitrex

Guest
On 1/28/2022 11:03 AM, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Fri, 28 Jan 2022 05:32:34 -0500, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

On 1/28/2022 5:07 AM, Tom Gardner wrote:
On 28/01/22 00:24, bitrex wrote:
My elderly mother found a vintage ladies watch in some effects from
her last move in storage that she hadn\'t gone through, maybe Swiss
(Girard Perregaux on the dial, extremely tiny), she thinks it might
have been her my grandmother\'s but she can\'t recall.

I know very little about watches, even less about 50 year old
maybe-Swiss watches.

Took it to a couple local jewelers, one said he didn\'t do appraisals
on old pieces and the other guy looked at it for about 2 seconds and
said \"Just a watch, not worth anything particular\" due to the back
likely being base metal like aluminum and likely not gold or silver.

Honestly they both seemed like shitheads and I\'d want a second
opinion. Any advice on what kind of shop to take it to where they
might have an actual expert in vintage watches on staff?

The band and backplate fail the neodymium magnet test. The main
enclosure is non-magnetic.

(figured there are probably some watch-enthusiasts in the EE community
who\'d know how to find out more about a particular model)

An auction house will have valuers.

Some auction houses will give an initial value if you send
them decent photos.

Try to use an auction house that has dedicated watch,
barometer, instruments sales.

Ya it\'s not really an appropriate task for a local jeweler, if they
don\'t see a karat hallmark on it immediately they\'re not interested no
matter how old it is, they\'re not historians.

They also size me up as not a person who\'s going to drop 5k on a watch
or diamond band today, and they\'d be right, the stuff has never held
much interest for me. And I expect my girlfriend would turn her nose up
if I ever bought her something from De Beers, like what\'d you buy me
these blood-diamonds for.

Your granny\'s watch is only good for how much you can sell it for.

Hey have you heard this one? \"My girlfriend asked me to take her
somewhere expensive. So I took her to the lumberyard...\"
 
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bitrex

Guest
On 1/28/2022 8:58 AM, legg wrote:
On Thu, 27 Jan 2022 19:24:23 -0500, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

My elderly mother found a vintage ladies watch in some effects from her
last move in storage that she hadn\'t gone through, maybe Swiss (Girard
Perregaux on the dial, extremely tiny), she thinks it might have been
her my grandmother\'s but she can\'t recall.

I know very little about watches, even less about 50 year old
maybe-Swiss watches.

Took it to a couple local jewelers, one said he didn\'t do appraisals on
old pieces and the other guy looked at it for about 2 seconds and said
\"Just a watch, not worth anything particular\" due to the back likely
being base metal like aluminum and likely not gold or silver.

Honestly they both seemed like shitheads and I\'d want a second opinion.
Any advice on what kind of shop to take it to where they might have an
actual expert in vintage watches on staff?

The band and backplate fail the neodymium magnet test. The main
enclosure is non-magnetic.

(figured there are probably some watch-enthusiasts in the EE community
who\'d know how to find out more about a particular model)

A jeweller\'s appraisal is usually <30% of resale, or gross weight of
raw matl. Few can repair a watch these days - they get shipped off
to someone who can, at a mark-up for the service. I\'m not sure I\'d
trust most places to simply clean one.

Unless rare, unelaborate watches in base metal are cannibalized to
keep watches in fancier cases (with better resale value) running.
I\'ve seen really old cases retrofitted with battery-operated junk
innards.

If it\'s not a boat anchor, what\'s the harm in keeping it as a memento?

RL

Oh yeah I wouldn\'t have wanted it sell it. Just weird that it\'s so
difficult to find information on e.g. watch serial numbers and specs
even by a well-known manufacturer like GP.

A lot of engineering went into the mechanisms of even the inexpensive
models I expect but it seems even the manufacturer didn\'t keep
particularly good records of what they were making, collecting vintage
baseball cards seems like a way easier hobby.
 
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server

Guest
On Fri, 28 Jan 2022 11:30:58 -0500, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

On 1/28/2022 11:03 AM, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Fri, 28 Jan 2022 05:32:34 -0500, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

On 1/28/2022 5:07 AM, Tom Gardner wrote:
On 28/01/22 00:24, bitrex wrote:
My elderly mother found a vintage ladies watch in some effects from
her last move in storage that she hadn\'t gone through, maybe Swiss
(Girard Perregaux on the dial, extremely tiny), she thinks it might
have been her my grandmother\'s but she can\'t recall.

I know very little about watches, even less about 50 year old
maybe-Swiss watches.

Took it to a couple local jewelers, one said he didn\'t do appraisals
on old pieces and the other guy looked at it for about 2 seconds and
said \"Just a watch, not worth anything particular\" due to the back
likely being base metal like aluminum and likely not gold or silver.

Honestly they both seemed like shitheads and I\'d want a second
opinion. Any advice on what kind of shop to take it to where they
might have an actual expert in vintage watches on staff?

The band and backplate fail the neodymium magnet test. The main
enclosure is non-magnetic.

(figured there are probably some watch-enthusiasts in the EE community
who\'d know how to find out more about a particular model)

An auction house will have valuers.

Some auction houses will give an initial value if you send
them decent photos.

Try to use an auction house that has dedicated watch,
barometer, instruments sales.

Ya it\'s not really an appropriate task for a local jeweler, if they
don\'t see a karat hallmark on it immediately they\'re not interested no
matter how old it is, they\'re not historians.

They also size me up as not a person who\'s going to drop 5k on a watch
or diamond band today, and they\'d be right, the stuff has never held
much interest for me. And I expect my girlfriend would turn her nose up
if I ever bought her something from De Beers, like what\'d you buy me
these blood-diamonds for.

Your granny\'s watch is only good for how much you can sell it for.



Hey have you heard this one? \"My girlfriend asked me to take her
somewhere expensive. So I took her to the lumberyard...\"

That is wrong at least three ways.



--

I yam what I yam - Popeye
 
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bitrex

Guest
On 1/28/2022 11:45 AM, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Fri, 28 Jan 2022 11:30:58 -0500, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

On 1/28/2022 11:03 AM, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Fri, 28 Jan 2022 05:32:34 -0500, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

On 1/28/2022 5:07 AM, Tom Gardner wrote:
On 28/01/22 00:24, bitrex wrote:
My elderly mother found a vintage ladies watch in some effects from
her last move in storage that she hadn\'t gone through, maybe Swiss
(Girard Perregaux on the dial, extremely tiny), she thinks it might
have been her my grandmother\'s but she can\'t recall.

I know very little about watches, even less about 50 year old
maybe-Swiss watches.

Took it to a couple local jewelers, one said he didn\'t do appraisals
on old pieces and the other guy looked at it for about 2 seconds and
said \"Just a watch, not worth anything particular\" due to the back
likely being base metal like aluminum and likely not gold or silver.

Honestly they both seemed like shitheads and I\'d want a second
opinion. Any advice on what kind of shop to take it to where they
might have an actual expert in vintage watches on staff?

The band and backplate fail the neodymium magnet test. The main
enclosure is non-magnetic.

(figured there are probably some watch-enthusiasts in the EE community
who\'d know how to find out more about a particular model)

An auction house will have valuers.

Some auction houses will give an initial value if you send
them decent photos.

Try to use an auction house that has dedicated watch,
barometer, instruments sales.

Ya it\'s not really an appropriate task for a local jeweler, if they
don\'t see a karat hallmark on it immediately they\'re not interested no
matter how old it is, they\'re not historians.

They also size me up as not a person who\'s going to drop 5k on a watch
or diamond band today, and they\'d be right, the stuff has never held
much interest for me. And I expect my girlfriend would turn her nose up
if I ever bought her something from De Beers, like what\'d you buy me
these blood-diamonds for.

Your granny\'s watch is only good for how much you can sell it for.



Hey have you heard this one? \"My girlfriend asked me to take her
somewhere expensive. So I took her to the lumberyard...\"

That is wrong at least three ways.

Ok, Ok, I got a better one:

<https://funnylax.com/meme/ashcammm-guys-literally-only-thing-fucking-disgusting-memes-3e4063da5d06b8f3>
 

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