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Cursitor Doom

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Gentlemen,

This newest variant of Covid has been dubbed omicron rather than
epsilon. If we\'re following the convention, why have we suddly jumped
so far from delta in the Greek alphabet? Anyone know?

CD.

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\"There are, besides, eternal truths, such as Freedom, Justice, etc., that are
common to all states of society. But Communism abolishes eternal truths, it
abolishes all religion,and all morality, instead of constituting them on a new
basis; it therefore acts in contradiction to all historical experience.\"

- The Communist Manifesto, Marx & Engels.
 
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Dean Hoffman

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On Sunday, November 28, 2021 at 12:59:55 PM UTC-6, Cursitor Doom wrote:
Gentlemen,

This newest variant of Covid has been dubbed omicron rather than
epsilon. If we\'re following the convention, why have we suddly jumped
so far from delta in the Greek alphabet? Anyone know?

CD.

--

\"There are, besides, eternal truths, such as Freedom, Justice, etc., that are
common to all states of society. But Communism abolishes eternal truths, it
abolishes all religion,and all morality, instead of constituting them on a new
basis; it therefore acts in contradiction to all historical experience.\"

- The Communist Manifesto, Marx & Engels.
<https://dailycaller.com/2021/11/27/world-health-organization-omicron-variant-nu-xi-coronavirus/>
 
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server

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Cursitor Doom <cd@nowhere.com> wrote in
news:99k7qg5qp3pn8ad18cg791t270p3f07k7m@4ax.com:

Gentlemen,

This newest variant of Covid has been dubbed omicron rather than
epsilon. If we\'re following the convention, why have we suddly
jumped so far from delta in the Greek alphabet? Anyone know?

CD.

Variants were discovered and named that had no consequence or
outbreak... perhaps.

Your retardo manifucktardofesto is even more lame than you are. A
tough hurdle.
 
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Cursitor Doom

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On Sun, 28 Nov 2021 11:11:24 -0800 (PST), Dean Hoffman
<deanh6929@gmail.com> wrote:

On Sunday, November 28, 2021 at 12:59:55 PM UTC-6, Cursitor Doom wrote:
Gentlemen,

This newest variant of Covid has been dubbed omicron rather than
epsilon. If we\'re following the convention, why have we suddly jumped
so far from delta in the Greek alphabet? Anyone know?

CD.

--

\"There are, besides, eternal truths, such as Freedom, Justice, etc., that are
common to all states of society. But Communism abolishes eternal truths, it
abolishes all religion,and all morality, instead of constituting them on a new
basis; it therefore acts in contradiction to all historical experience.\"

- The Communist Manifesto, Marx & Engels.

https://dailycaller.com/2021/11/27/world-health-organization-omicron-variant-nu-xi-coronavirus/
But they skipped over *10* other letters in total, not just the 2
mentioned in the article!
--

\"In one word, you reproach us with intending to do away with your property.
Precisely so; that is just what we intend.\"

- The Communist Manifesto, Marx & Engels.
 
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Rick C

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On Sunday, November 28, 2021 at 7:42:30 PM UTC-4, Cursitor Doom wrote:
On Sun, 28 Nov 2021 11:11:24 -0800 (PST), Dean Hoffman
dean...@gmail.com> wrote:

On Sunday, November 28, 2021 at 12:59:55 PM UTC-6, Cursitor Doom wrote:
Gentlemen,

This newest variant of Covid has been dubbed omicron rather than
epsilon. If we\'re following the convention, why have we suddly jumped
so far from delta in the Greek alphabet? Anyone know?

CD.

--

\"There are, besides, eternal truths, such as Freedom, Justice, etc., that are
common to all states of society. But Communism abolishes eternal truths, it
abolishes all religion,and all morality, instead of constituting them on a new
basis; it therefore acts in contradiction to all historical experience.\"

- The Communist Manifesto, Marx & Engels.

https://dailycaller.com/2021/11/27/world-health-organization-omicron-variant-nu-xi-coronavirus/
But they skipped over *10* other letters in total, not just the 2
mentioned in the article!
It\'s not hard to find that they didn\'t skip anything other than those two. Previous variants of the virus have been named by all the prior letters in the Greek alphabet.

Seems they skipped Xi because it is a common last name (like some guy who\'s the leader of a really powerful country in the far east). I\'m wondering why they didn\'t skip Omicron. I mean, do you really want to piss of this guy?

https://www.cc.com/video/ww32ir/futurama-interstellar-fugitives

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Anthony William Sloman

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On Monday, November 29, 2021 at 10:42:30 AM UTC+11, Cursitor Doom wrote:
On Sun, 28 Nov 2021 11:11:24 -0800 (PST), Dean Hoffman
dean...@gmail.com> wrote:

On Sunday, November 28, 2021 at 12:59:55 PM UTC-6, Cursitor Doom wrote:
Gentlemen,

This newest variant of Covid has been dubbed omicron rather than
epsilon. If we\'re following the convention, why have we suddenly jumped
so far from delta in the Greek alphabet? Anyone know?

https://dailycaller.com/2021/11/27/world-health-organization-omicron-variant-nu-xi-coronavirus/

But they skipped over *10* other letters in total, not just the 2 mentioned in the article!
Clearly, there have been eight other variants, none of which have shown up in sufficient volume to become variants of concern.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney
 
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Dimiter_Popoff

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On 11/29/2021 3:00, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
On Monday, November 29, 2021 at 10:42:30 AM UTC+11, Cursitor Doom wrote:
On Sun, 28 Nov 2021 11:11:24 -0800 (PST), Dean Hoffman
dean...@gmail.com> wrote:

On Sunday, November 28, 2021 at 12:59:55 PM UTC-6, Cursitor Doom wrote:
Gentlemen,

This newest variant of Covid has been dubbed omicron rather than
epsilon. If we\'re following the convention, why have we suddenly jumped
so far from delta in the Greek alphabet? Anyone know?

https://dailycaller.com/2021/11/27/world-health-organization-omicron-variant-nu-xi-coronavirus/

But they skipped over *10* other letters in total, not just the 2 mentioned in the article!

Clearly, there have been eight other variants, none of which have shown up in sufficient volume to become variants of concern.
I wonder what they will do after they have used the omega...
 
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Cursitor Doom

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On Mon, 29 Nov 2021 05:12:49 +0200, Dimiter_Popoff <dp@tgi-sci.com>
wrote:

On 11/29/2021 3:00, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
On Monday, November 29, 2021 at 10:42:30 AM UTC+11, Cursitor Doom wrote:
On Sun, 28 Nov 2021 11:11:24 -0800 (PST), Dean Hoffman
dean...@gmail.com> wrote:

On Sunday, November 28, 2021 at 12:59:55 PM UTC-6, Cursitor Doom wrote:
Gentlemen,

This newest variant of Covid has been dubbed omicron rather than
epsilon. If we\'re following the convention, why have we suddenly jumped
so far from delta in the Greek alphabet? Anyone know?

https://dailycaller.com/2021/11/27/world-health-organization-omicron-variant-nu-xi-coronavirus/

But they skipped over *10* other letters in total, not just the 2 mentioned in the article!

Clearly, there have been eight other variants, none of which have shown up in sufficient volume to become variants of concern.


I wonder what they will do after they have used the omega...
We\'ll all be dead by then. One way or another...
--

\"The Communists are further reproached with desiring to abolish countries
and nationality.\"

- The Communist Manifesto, Marx & Engels
 
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Martin Brown

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On 28/11/2021 23:42, Cursitor Doom wrote:
On Sun, 28 Nov 2021 11:11:24 -0800 (PST), Dean Hoffman
deanh6929@gmail.com> wrote:

On Sunday, November 28, 2021 at 12:59:55 PM UTC-6, Cursitor Doom wrote:
Gentlemen,

This newest variant of Covid has been dubbed omicron rather than
epsilon. If we\'re following the convention, why have we suddly jumped
so far from delta in the Greek alphabet? Anyone know?


But they skipped over *10* other letters in total, not just the 2
mentioned in the article!
A bit like with storms they have tagged each variant of concern with a
new Greek letter. The intervening ones have all been named but did not
propagate very widely having been utterly trounced in the infectivity
stakes by Alpha (aka Kent variant) and Delta (aka Indian variant) which
each went global and displaced most other strains in the process.

A handy side effect of this is that the characteristic pattern for alpha
on the PCR test (2 out of three tags show up) allows a quick scan for
the new nasty Omicron strain since it is sufficiently unlike Delta. UK
is seeing a few community infections in Scotland with no obvious
connection to Africa (we DNA sequence about 20% of all positive PCR tests)

Going forwards they will genetically sequence 100% of those that are
masquerading as Alpha (since they could be the new Omicron strain).

https://www.nbcchicago.com/news/coronavirus/delta-lambda-gamma-heres-a-breakdown-of-covid-variants-and-what-we-know-so-far/2591458/

There is a WHO list of the various strains somewhere. However for some
reason their most accessible list is incomplete. The wayback machine
will show you when the inbetweener variants were briefly a hot topic.
They mostly fell by the wayside when Delta and Delta+ went global.

https://www.who.int/en/activities/tracking-SARS-CoV-2-variants/

CDC has the least incomplete list now that I have been able to find:

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/variants/variant-info.html#anchor_1632150752495

They should probably be a bit more Spartan about giving them fancy names
until they have to be in the news. As one UK surgeon wryly put it this
morning - given how slowly the UK government has responded to the risk
of every previous strain you have to wonder if they know more about the
nastiness of the new Omicron strain than they are letting on.

Clearly one should be very worried when we get to the Omega strain.

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Ed Lee

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On Monday, November 29, 2021 at 1:48:02 AM UTC-8, Cursitor Doom wrote:
On Mon, 29 Nov 2021 05:12:49 +0200, Dimiter_Popoff <d...@tgi-sci.com
wrote:
On 11/29/2021 3:00, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
On Monday, November 29, 2021 at 10:42:30 AM UTC+11, Cursitor Doom wrote:
On Sun, 28 Nov 2021 11:11:24 -0800 (PST), Dean Hoffman
dean...@gmail.com> wrote:

On Sunday, November 28, 2021 at 12:59:55 PM UTC-6, Cursitor Doom wrote:
Gentlemen,

This newest variant of Covid has been dubbed omicron rather than
epsilon. If we\'re following the convention, why have we suddenly jumped
so far from delta in the Greek alphabet? Anyone know?

https://dailycaller.com/2021/11/27/world-health-organization-omicron-variant-nu-xi-coronavirus/

But they skipped over *10* other letters in total, not just the 2 mentioned in the article!

Clearly, there have been eight other variants, none of which have shown up in sufficient volume to become variants of concern.


I wonder what they will do after they have used the omega...
We\'ll all be dead by then. One way or another...
Delta Omicron
Delta Xi Omicron

It will never end.
 
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ke...@kjwdesigns.com

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On Tuesday, 30 November 2021 at 09:14:32 UTC-8, gnuarm.del...@gmail.com wrote:
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> No one disputes that point. What you can\'t seem to grasp is that this simple fact has nothing to do with two strains \"competing\" with one another. The growth rate of one strain does not impact the growth rate of the other strain. That\'s what competition is.

Surely it does if there s cross-immunity.

If one strain infects somebody so that they are less likely to get the either strain again for some time there is competition between the two strains. The strain that is more infective will tend to reduce the other to the point of extinction.

kw
....
 
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Rick C

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On Tuesday, November 30, 2021 at 2:19:13 PM UTC-4, ke...@kjwdesigns.com wrote:
On Tuesday, 30 November 2021 at 09:14:32 UTC-8, gnuarm.del...@gmail.com wrote:
....
No one disputes that point. What you can\'t seem to grasp is that this simple fact has nothing to do with two strains \"competing\" with one another. The growth rate of one strain does not impact the growth rate of the other strain. That\'s what competition is.
Surely it does if there s cross-immunity.

If one strain infects somebody so that they are less likely to get the either strain again for some time there is competition between the two strains. The strain that is more infective will tend to reduce the other to the point of extinction.
No, immunity still has the same impact on both strains. If one strain creates immunity to the other strain and the other strain does not create immunity to the one strain, you might see some impact... but the infection rates are not high enough for this to matter. That\'s the point. Competition requires some resource to be in short supply limiting infection rates. The success of one strain has to reduce the opportunity for other strains to spread. In this pandemic infection rates are not high enough for any cross effects to matter (so no real competition) and even the vaccine rates are barely high enough to have an impact on strain spreading, still not high enough to have the impact we\'d like.

We we have many strains all working against the wall of vaccination to spread among the population independent of one another.

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Robert Latest

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Rick C wrote:
No, immunity still has the same impact on both strains. If one strain
creates immunity to the other strain and the other strain does not create
immunity to the one strain, you might see some impact... but the infection
rates are not high enough for this to matter. That\'s the point. Competition
requires some resource to be in short supply limiting infection rates. The
success of one strain has to reduce the opportunity for other strains to
spread. In this pandemic infection rates are not high enough for any cross
effects to matter (so no real competition) and even the vaccine rates are
barely high enough to have an impact on strain spreading, still not high
enough to have the impact we\'d like.
That wouldn\'t explain the complete eradication of the alpha variant. I
understand your argument and am inclined to follow it but I believe there is
another effect at work, with delta actively pusing alpha out.
 
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Rick C

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On Tuesday, November 30, 2021 at 3:33:54 PM UTC-4, Robert Latest wrote:
Rick C wrote:
No, immunity still has the same impact on both strains. If one strain
creates immunity to the other strain and the other strain does not create
immunity to the one strain, you might see some impact... but the infection
rates are not high enough for this to matter. That\'s the point. Competition
requires some resource to be in short supply limiting infection rates. The
success of one strain has to reduce the opportunity for other strains to
spread. In this pandemic infection rates are not high enough for any cross
effects to matter (so no real competition) and even the vaccine rates are
barely high enough to have an impact on strain spreading, still not high
enough to have the impact we\'d like.
That wouldn\'t explain the complete eradication of the alpha variant. I
understand your argument and am inclined to follow it but I believe there is
another effect at work, with delta actively pusing alpha out.
I didn\'t think the alpha variant was wiped out. But some strains no doubt have been. The reason is simple. The protections we are throwing up combined with the vaccine has pushed the R value for the alpha strain below 1.0.. Any organism that has an R value below 1.0 decreases in numbers until it is gone. You should understand that pretty well.

The only reason different strains interact is when one is so much more infectious that it dominates by reproducing much faster pushing up the overall infection numbers significantly. That was what happened with Delta. The world responded to the high rates of infection and strains with lesser infection rates dropped from the scene. So there is some interaction if a strain so completely dominates that it changes behavior in the host affecting the environment to select for more infectious strains causing some to die out entirely. As we all know, it is rare that our precautions last long enough for that sort of thing to happen, at least it seems that way. In much of the US we aren\'t even wearing masks anymore and infection rates are rising.. So I\'m pretty sure the Alpha strain is not gone yet and is likely growing in numbers. You can\'t tell this by looking at percentages. As I\'ve said, each strain is separate, fighting its own battle for survival just as if it were an entirely separate disease. You have to get raw numbers to see it, which is hard to do.

Your idea that Delta is \"actively\" pushing Alpha out doesn\'t hold water. They typically aren\'t even infecting the same people. They just don\'t interact.

Ed Lee gets some sort of mutation numbers which only he can turn into values for strains, but I don\'t know I can trust his results as no one else understands what he is saying and he won\'t show his math.

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Ed Lee

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On Tuesday, November 30, 2021 at 1:28:46 PM UTC-8, gnuarm.del...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tuesday, November 30, 2021 at 3:33:54 PM UTC-4, Robert Latest wrote:
Rick C wrote:
No, immunity still has the same impact on both strains. If one strain
creates immunity to the other strain and the other strain does not create
immunity to the one strain, you might see some impact... but the infection
rates are not high enough for this to matter. That\'s the point. Competition
requires some resource to be in short supply limiting infection rates.. The
success of one strain has to reduce the opportunity for other strains to
spread. In this pandemic infection rates are not high enough for any cross
effects to matter (so no real competition) and even the vaccine rates are
barely high enough to have an impact on strain spreading, still not high
enough to have the impact we\'d like.
That wouldn\'t explain the complete eradication of the alpha variant. I
understand your argument and am inclined to follow it but I believe there is
another effect at work, with delta actively pusing alpha out.
I didn\'t think the alpha variant was wiped out. But some strains no doubt have been. The reason is simple. The protections we are throwing up combined with the vaccine has pushed the R value for the alpha strain below 1.0. Any organism that has an R value below 1.0 decreases in numbers until it is gone. You should understand that pretty well.

The only reason different strains interact is when one is so much more infectious that it dominates by reproducing much faster pushing up the overall infection numbers significantly. That was what happened with Delta. The world responded to the high rates of infection and strains with lesser infection rates dropped from the scene. So there is some interaction if a strain so completely dominates that it changes behavior in the host affecting the environment to select for more infectious strains causing some to die out entirely. As we all know, it is rare that our precautions last long enough for that sort of thing to happen, at least it seems that way. In much of the US we aren\'t even wearing masks anymore and infection rates are rising. So I\'m pretty sure the Alpha strain is not gone yet and is likely growing in numbers. You can\'t tell this by looking at percentages. As I\'ve said, each strain is separate, fighting its own battle for survival just as if it were an entirely separate disease. You have to get raw numbers to see it, which is hard to do.

Your idea that Delta is \"actively\" pushing Alpha out doesn\'t hold water. They typically aren\'t even infecting the same people. They just don\'t interact.
Yes, W (Wuhan, Alpha) disappeared 6 months before Delta, and during the time, it was D614G taking over, at least in the USA.

> Ed Lee gets some sort of mutation numbers which only he can turn into values for strains, but I don\'t know I can trust his results as no one else understands what he is saying and he won\'t show his math.

I tried to show it many times:
delta variant is B.1.617.2 including D614G, T478K, L452R and P681R.

Currently, in the USA, roughly half of the samples are D614G and 1/3 are Delta.


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_________________|_417N_452R_478K_484Q_501Y_570D_614G_681R_|___W___A___B___C___D___E___O
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Rick C

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On Tuesday, November 30, 2021 at 5:48:21 PM UTC-4, Ed Lee wrote:
On Tuesday, November 30, 2021 at 1:28:46 PM UTC-8, gnuarm.del...@gmail.com wrote:

Your idea that Delta is \"actively\" pushing Alpha out doesn\'t hold water.. They typically aren\'t even infecting the same people. They just don\'t interact.
Yes, W (Wuhan, Alpha) disappeared 6 months before Delta, and during the time, it was D614G taking over, at least in the USA.
Ed Lee gets some sort of mutation numbers which only he can turn into values for strains, but I don\'t know I can trust his results as no one else understands what he is saying and he won\'t show his math.
I tried to show it many times:
delta variant is B.1.617.2 including D614G, T478K, L452R and P681R.

Currently, in the USA, roughly half of the samples are D614G and 1/3 are Delta.


USA______________|_417N_452R_478K_484Q_501Y_570D_614G_681R_|___W___A___B___C___D___E___O
2020/06__________|___0%___0%___0%___0%___0%___0%___0%___0%_|_99%__0%__0%__0%__0%__0%__0%
2020/07__________|___0%___0%___0%___0%___0%___0%__99%___0%_|__0%__0%_99%__0%__0%__0%__0%
2020/08__________|___0%___0%___0%___0%___0%___0%__99%___0%_|__0%__0%_99%__0%__0%__0%__0%
2020/09__________|___0%___0%___0%___0%___0%___0%__99%___0%_|__0%__0%_99%__0%__0%__0%__0%
2020/10__________|___0%___0%___0%___0%___0%___0%__99%___0%_|__0%__0%_99%__0%__0%__0%__0%
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2021/03__(11927)_|__15%__25%__15%___1%__15%___1%__85%__14%_|__0%_11%_73%__0%_14%__1%__0%
2021/04__(24080)_|__52%__58%__52%___4%__55%___3%__45%__52%_|__0%__6%_39%__0%_52%__3%__0%
2021/05__(27592)_|__67%__70%__66%___4%__70%___3%__30%__66%_|__0%__4%_26%__0%_66%__3%__0%
2021/06__(12070)_|__61%__63%__59%___5%__62%___3%__38%__59%_|__0%__4%_32%__2%_59%__3%__0%
2021/07__(20731)_|__25%__27%__25%__37%__28%___3%__68%__25%_|__0%__2%_32%_34%_24%__3%__5%
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_________________|_417N_452R_478K_484Q_501Y_570D_614G_681R_|___W___A___B___C___D___E___O
W=WuHan_A=452R+614G_B=484E+614G_C=484Q+614G_D=452R+478K+681R_E=478K+501Y_O=Other
This is what I mean. Only Ed knows how he gets \"1/3 are Delta\" from the above data. I think he did provide a link for the raw data, but it was in a form that is very hard to read or requires processing or something, I forget.

The real problem with trying to understand this stuff is there are so many reports of the same FEW facts and virtually no good references of useful data. A great example of that is worldometer where you can find lots of good data, well presented on total numbers and daily numbers, but no daily per capita data. I also can\'t find info on where they obtain their data, for example for Florida. I don\'t think Florida reports data daily, but worldometer shows daily numbers with no deaths since the 24th. NY Times shows hundreds on the days Florida reports and days with zero deaths, but an average of 56 as of yesterday. Seems Florida is reporting once a week. So how is worldometer making it look like they have daily data coming in?

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On Tuesday, November 30, 2021 at 2:14:48 PM UTC-8, gnuarm.del...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tuesday, November 30, 2021 at 5:48:21 PM UTC-4, Ed Lee wrote:
On Tuesday, November 30, 2021 at 1:28:46 PM UTC-8, gnuarm.del...@gmail.com wrote:

Your idea that Delta is \"actively\" pushing Alpha out doesn\'t hold water. They typically aren\'t even infecting the same people. They just don\'t interact.
Yes, W (Wuhan, Alpha) disappeared 6 months before Delta, and during the time, it was D614G taking over, at least in the USA.
Ed Lee gets some sort of mutation numbers which only he can turn into values for strains, but I don\'t know I can trust his results as no one else understands what he is saying and he won\'t show his math.
I tried to show it many times:
delta variant is B.1.617.2 including D614G, T478K, L452R and P681R.

Currently, in the USA, roughly half of the samples are D614G and 1/3 are Delta.


USA______________|_417N_452R_478K_484Q_501Y_570D_614G_681R_|___W___A___B___C___D___E___O
2020/06__________|___0%___0%___0%___0%___0%___0%___0%___0%_|_99%__0%__0%__0%__0%__0%__0%
2020/07__________|___0%___0%___0%___0%___0%___0%__99%___0%_|__0%__0%_99%__0%__0%__0%__0%
2020/08__________|___0%___0%___0%___0%___0%___0%__99%___0%_|__0%__0%_99%__0%__0%__0%__0%
2020/09__________|___0%___0%___0%___0%___0%___0%__99%___0%_|__0%__0%_99%__0%__0%__0%__0%
2020/10__________|___0%___0%___0%___0%___0%___0%__99%___0%_|__0%__0%_99%__0%__0%__0%__0%
2020/11__(__977)_|___0%___0%___0%___0%___0%___0%__99%___0%_|__0%__0%_99%__0%__0%__0%__0%
2020/12__(__873)_|___1%___1%___0%___1%___0%___0%__99%___0%_|__0%__0%_99%__1%__0%__0%__0%
2021/01__(_2682)_|___5%___4%___1%___5%___1%___0%__99%___1%_|__0%__3%_91%__4%__1%__0%__0%
2021/02__(_4927)_|___3%___9%___2%___1%___2%___0%__98%___2%_|__0%__7%_90%__1%__2%__0%__0%
2021/03__(11927)_|__15%__25%__15%___1%__15%___1%__85%__14%_|__0%_11%_73%__0%_14%__1%__0%
2021/04__(24080)_|__52%__58%__52%___4%__55%___3%__45%__52%_|__0%__6%_39%__0%_52%__3%__0%
2021/05__(27592)_|__67%__70%__66%___4%__70%___3%__30%__66%_|__0%__4%_26%__0%_66%__3%__0%
2021/06__(12070)_|__61%__63%__59%___5%__62%___3%__38%__59%_|__0%__4%_32%__2%_59%__3%__0%
2021/07__(20731)_|__25%__27%__25%__37%__28%___3%__68%__25%_|__0%__2%_32%_34%_24%__3%__5%
2021/08__(31367)_|___9%__12%__10%__71%__11%___2%__81%__10%_|__0%__1%_10%_69%__9%__1%_10%
2021/09__(_5566)_|__49%__49%__49%__22%__52%___3%__48%__49%_|__0%__3%_26%_19%_49%__0%__3%
2021/10__(_3376)_|__23%__23%__24%__18%__25%___2%__75%__23%_|__0%_11%_47%_17%_23%__0%__3%
2021/11__(_3248)_|__28%__28%__28%__16%__30%___2%__69%__28%_|__0%__7%_48%_14%_28%__0%__2%

_________________|_417N_452R_478K_484Q_501Y_570D_614G_681R_|___W___A___B___C___D___E___O
W=WuHan_A=452R+614G_B=484E+614G_C=484Q+614G_D=452R+478K+681R_E=478K+501Y_O=Other
This is what I mean. Only Ed knows how he gets \"1/3 are Delta\" from the above data. I think he did provide a link for the raw data, but it was in a form that is very hard to read or requires processing or something, I forget.
If i blank out the other parts:
2021/11__(_3248)_|__ ,,, _|__0%_____48%_____28%_______
_________________|_ ..._|___W_______B_______D_______
W=WuHan B=484E+614G D=452R+478K+681R

Let me rephase it:
WHO\'s delta variant is B.1.617.2 including D614G, T478K, L452R and P681R.

But there are almost no sample with all of them.
Instead, I see 48% with B=484E+614G and 28% with D=452R+478K+681R

WHO is right that 98% contains 614G, 478K, 452R and 681R, but they are two separate strains of virus in the USA.

Data source: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/datasets/coronavirus/genomes/
 
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On Tuesday, November 30, 2021 at 6:34:24 PM UTC-4, Ed Lee wrote:
On Tuesday, November 30, 2021 at 2:14:48 PM UTC-8, gnuarm.del...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tuesday, November 30, 2021 at 5:48:21 PM UTC-4, Ed Lee wrote:
On Tuesday, November 30, 2021 at 1:28:46 PM UTC-8, gnuarm.del...@gmail.com wrote:

Your idea that Delta is \"actively\" pushing Alpha out doesn\'t hold water. They typically aren\'t even infecting the same people. They just don\'t interact.
Yes, W (Wuhan, Alpha) disappeared 6 months before Delta, and during the time, it was D614G taking over, at least in the USA.
Ed Lee gets some sort of mutation numbers which only he can turn into values for strains, but I don\'t know I can trust his results as no one else understands what he is saying and he won\'t show his math.
I tried to show it many times:
delta variant is B.1.617.2 including D614G, T478K, L452R and P681R.

Currently, in the USA, roughly half of the samples are D614G and 1/3 are Delta.


USA______________|_417N_452R_478K_484Q_501Y_570D_614G_681R_|___W___A___B___C___D___E___O
2020/06__________|___0%___0%___0%___0%___0%___0%___0%___0%_|_99%__0%__0%__0%__0%__0%__0%
2020/07__________|___0%___0%___0%___0%___0%___0%__99%___0%_|__0%__0%_99%__0%__0%__0%__0%
2020/08__________|___0%___0%___0%___0%___0%___0%__99%___0%_|__0%__0%_99%__0%__0%__0%__0%
2020/09__________|___0%___0%___0%___0%___0%___0%__99%___0%_|__0%__0%_99%__0%__0%__0%__0%
2020/10__________|___0%___0%___0%___0%___0%___0%__99%___0%_|__0%__0%_99%__0%__0%__0%__0%
2020/11__(__977)_|___0%___0%___0%___0%___0%___0%__99%___0%_|__0%__0%_99%__0%__0%__0%__0%
2020/12__(__873)_|___1%___1%___0%___1%___0%___0%__99%___0%_|__0%__0%_99%__1%__0%__0%__0%
2021/01__(_2682)_|___5%___4%___1%___5%___1%___0%__99%___1%_|__0%__3%_91%__4%__1%__0%__0%
2021/02__(_4927)_|___3%___9%___2%___1%___2%___0%__98%___2%_|__0%__7%_90%__1%__2%__0%__0%
2021/03__(11927)_|__15%__25%__15%___1%__15%___1%__85%__14%_|__0%_11%_73%__0%_14%__1%__0%
2021/04__(24080)_|__52%__58%__52%___4%__55%___3%__45%__52%_|__0%__6%_39%__0%_52%__3%__0%
2021/05__(27592)_|__67%__70%__66%___4%__70%___3%__30%__66%_|__0%__4%_26%__0%_66%__3%__0%
2021/06__(12070)_|__61%__63%__59%___5%__62%___3%__38%__59%_|__0%__4%_32%__2%_59%__3%__0%
2021/07__(20731)_|__25%__27%__25%__37%__28%___3%__68%__25%_|__0%__2%_32%_34%_24%__3%__5%
2021/08__(31367)_|___9%__12%__10%__71%__11%___2%__81%__10%_|__0%__1%_10%_69%__9%__1%_10%
2021/09__(_5566)_|__49%__49%__49%__22%__52%___3%__48%__49%_|__0%__3%_26%_19%_49%__0%__3%
2021/10__(_3376)_|__23%__23%__24%__18%__25%___2%__75%__23%_|__0%_11%_47%_17%_23%__0%__3%
2021/11__(_3248)_|__28%__28%__28%__16%__30%___2%__69%__28%_|__0%__7%_48%_14%_28%__0%__2%

_________________|_417N_452R_478K_484Q_501Y_570D_614G_681R_|___W___A___B___C___D___E___O
W=WuHan_A=452R+614G_B=484E+614G_C=484Q+614G_D=452R+478K+681R_E=478K+501Y_O=Other
This is what I mean. Only Ed knows how he gets \"1/3 are Delta\" from the above data. I think he did provide a link for the raw data, but it was in a form that is very hard to read or requires processing or something, I forget.
If i blank out the other parts:
2021/11__(_3248)_|__ ,,, _|__0%_____48%_____28%_______
_________________|_ ..._|___W_______B_______D_______
W=WuHan B=484E+614G D=452R+478K+681R

Let me rephase it:
WHO\'s delta variant is B.1.617.2 including D614G, T478K, L452R and P681R.

But there are almost no sample with all of them.
Instead, I see 48% with B=484E+614G and 28% with D=452R+478K+681R

WHO is right that 98% contains 614G, 478K, 452R and 681R, but they are two separate strains of virus in the USA.

Data source: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/datasets/coronavirus/genomes/
The data on this page doesn\'t seem to download. It says it\'s going to do it, but it never happens.

I don\'t believe in June the virus was 99% W and in July it was 99% B. Nope, didn\'t happen. You need to figure out what\'s wrong with your analysis or their data.

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On Tuesday, November 30, 2021 at 3:23:54 PM UTC-8, gnuarm.del...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tuesday, November 30, 2021 at 6:34:24 PM UTC-4, Ed Lee wrote:
On Tuesday, November 30, 2021 at 2:14:48 PM UTC-8, gnuarm.del...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tuesday, November 30, 2021 at 5:48:21 PM UTC-4, Ed Lee wrote:
On Tuesday, November 30, 2021 at 1:28:46 PM UTC-8, gnuarm.del...@gmail.com wrote:

Your idea that Delta is \"actively\" pushing Alpha out doesn\'t hold water. They typically aren\'t even infecting the same people. They just don\'t interact.
Yes, W (Wuhan, Alpha) disappeared 6 months before Delta, and during the time, it was D614G taking over, at least in the USA.
Ed Lee gets some sort of mutation numbers which only he can turn into values for strains, but I don\'t know I can trust his results as no one else understands what he is saying and he won\'t show his math.
I tried to show it many times:
delta variant is B.1.617.2 including D614G, T478K, L452R and P681R.

Currently, in the USA, roughly half of the samples are D614G and 1/3 are Delta.


USA______________|_417N_452R_478K_484Q_501Y_570D_614G_681R_|___W___A___B___C___D___E___O
2020/06__________|___0%___0%___0%___0%___0%___0%___0%___0%_|_99%__0%__0%__0%__0%__0%__0%
2020/07__________|___0%___0%___0%___0%___0%___0%__99%___0%_|__0%__0%_99%__0%__0%__0%__0%
2020/08__________|___0%___0%___0%___0%___0%___0%__99%___0%_|__0%__0%_99%__0%__0%__0%__0%
2020/09__________|___0%___0%___0%___0%___0%___0%__99%___0%_|__0%__0%_99%__0%__0%__0%__0%
2020/10__________|___0%___0%___0%___0%___0%___0%__99%___0%_|__0%__0%_99%__0%__0%__0%__0%
2020/11__(__977)_|___0%___0%___0%___0%___0%___0%__99%___0%_|__0%__0%_99%__0%__0%__0%__0%
2020/12__(__873)_|___1%___1%___0%___1%___0%___0%__99%___0%_|__0%__0%_99%__1%__0%__0%__0%
2021/01__(_2682)_|___5%___4%___1%___5%___1%___0%__99%___1%_|__0%__3%_91%__4%__1%__0%__0%
2021/02__(_4927)_|___3%___9%___2%___1%___2%___0%__98%___2%_|__0%__7%_90%__1%__2%__0%__0%
2021/03__(11927)_|__15%__25%__15%___1%__15%___1%__85%__14%_|__0%_11%_73%__0%_14%__1%__0%
2021/04__(24080)_|__52%__58%__52%___4%__55%___3%__45%__52%_|__0%__6%_39%__0%_52%__3%__0%
2021/05__(27592)_|__67%__70%__66%___4%__70%___3%__30%__66%_|__0%__4%_26%__0%_66%__3%__0%
2021/06__(12070)_|__61%__63%__59%___5%__62%___3%__38%__59%_|__0%__4%_32%__2%_59%__3%__0%
2021/07__(20731)_|__25%__27%__25%__37%__28%___3%__68%__25%_|__0%__2%_32%_34%_24%__3%__5%
2021/08__(31367)_|___9%__12%__10%__71%__11%___2%__81%__10%_|__0%__1%_10%_69%__9%__1%_10%
2021/09__(_5566)_|__49%__49%__49%__22%__52%___3%__48%__49%_|__0%__3%_26%_19%_49%__0%__3%
2021/10__(_3376)_|__23%__23%__24%__18%__25%___2%__75%__23%_|__0%_11%_47%_17%_23%__0%__3%
2021/11__(_3248)_|__28%__28%__28%__16%__30%___2%__69%__28%_|__0%__7%_48%_14%_28%__0%__2%

_________________|_417N_452R_478K_484Q_501Y_570D_614G_681R_|___W___A___B___C___D___E___O
W=WuHan_A=452R+614G_B=484E+614G_C=484Q+614G_D=452R+478K+681R_E=478K+501Y_O=Other
This is what I mean. Only Ed knows how he gets \"1/3 are Delta\" from the above data. I think he did provide a link for the raw data, but it was in a form that is very hard to read or requires processing or something, I forget.
If i blank out the other parts:
2021/11__(_3248)_|__ ,,, _|__0%_____48%_____28%_______
_________________|_ ..._|___W_______B_______D_______
W=WuHan B=484E+614G D=452R+478K+681R

Let me rephase it:
WHO\'s delta variant is B.1.617.2 including D614G, T478K, L452R and P681R.

But there are almost no sample with all of them.
Instead, I see 48% with B=484E+614G and 28% with D=452R+478K+681R

WHO is right that 98% contains 614G, 478K, 452R and 681R, but they are two separate strains of virus in the USA.

Data source: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/datasets/coronavirus/genomes/
The data on this page doesn\'t seem to download. It says it\'s going to do it, but it never happens.

I don\'t believe in June the virus was 99% W and in July it was 99% B. Nope, didn\'t happen. You need to figure out what\'s wrong with your analysis or their data.
I do not have firm data before Sep 2020. Transition could have happened in Jul or Aug. But certainly by Sep, It\'s mostly B (D614G). The huge first wave occurs between Jul and Nov. If it\'s D614G in Sep, it\'s likely the same in Jul and Aug. D614G is so infectious that USA was number 1 for most of second part of 2020.

The data is still in NCBI, but it\'s impossible to back download, unless we have access to the raw data base. As with most government program, there is no \"ending date\". Namely, you can\'t specific an ending date to download.
 
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On Tuesday, November 30, 2021 at 8:19:55 PM UTC-4, Ed Lee wrote:
On Tuesday, November 30, 2021 at 3:23:54 PM UTC-8, gnuarm.del...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tuesday, November 30, 2021 at 6:34:24 PM UTC-4, Ed Lee wrote:
On Tuesday, November 30, 2021 at 2:14:48 PM UTC-8, gnuarm.del...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tuesday, November 30, 2021 at 5:48:21 PM UTC-4, Ed Lee wrote:
On Tuesday, November 30, 2021 at 1:28:46 PM UTC-8, gnuarm.del...@gmail.com wrote:

Your idea that Delta is \"actively\" pushing Alpha out doesn\'t hold water. They typically aren\'t even infecting the same people. They just don\'t interact.
Yes, W (Wuhan, Alpha) disappeared 6 months before Delta, and during the time, it was D614G taking over, at least in the USA.
Ed Lee gets some sort of mutation numbers which only he can turn into values for strains, but I don\'t know I can trust his results as no one else understands what he is saying and he won\'t show his math.
I tried to show it many times:
delta variant is B.1.617.2 including D614G, T478K, L452R and P681R.

Currently, in the USA, roughly half of the samples are D614G and 1/3 are Delta.


USA______________|_417N_452R_478K_484Q_501Y_570D_614G_681R_|___W___A___B___C___D___E___O
2020/06__________|___0%___0%___0%___0%___0%___0%___0%___0%_|_99%__0%__0%__0%__0%__0%__0%
2020/07__________|___0%___0%___0%___0%___0%___0%__99%___0%_|__0%__0%_99%__0%__0%__0%__0%
2020/08__________|___0%___0%___0%___0%___0%___0%__99%___0%_|__0%__0%_99%__0%__0%__0%__0%
2020/09__________|___0%___0%___0%___0%___0%___0%__99%___0%_|__0%__0%_99%__0%__0%__0%__0%
2020/10__________|___0%___0%___0%___0%___0%___0%__99%___0%_|__0%__0%_99%__0%__0%__0%__0%
2020/11__(__977)_|___0%___0%___0%___0%___0%___0%__99%___0%_|__0%__0%_99%__0%__0%__0%__0%
2020/12__(__873)_|___1%___1%___0%___1%___0%___0%__99%___0%_|__0%__0%_99%__1%__0%__0%__0%
2021/01__(_2682)_|___5%___4%___1%___5%___1%___0%__99%___1%_|__0%__3%_91%__4%__1%__0%__0%
2021/02__(_4927)_|___3%___9%___2%___1%___2%___0%__98%___2%_|__0%__7%_90%__1%__2%__0%__0%
2021/03__(11927)_|__15%__25%__15%___1%__15%___1%__85%__14%_|__0%_11%_73%__0%_14%__1%__0%
2021/04__(24080)_|__52%__58%__52%___4%__55%___3%__45%__52%_|__0%__6%_39%__0%_52%__3%__0%
2021/05__(27592)_|__67%__70%__66%___4%__70%___3%__30%__66%_|__0%__4%_26%__0%_66%__3%__0%
2021/06__(12070)_|__61%__63%__59%___5%__62%___3%__38%__59%_|__0%__4%_32%__2%_59%__3%__0%
2021/07__(20731)_|__25%__27%__25%__37%__28%___3%__68%__25%_|__0%__2%_32%_34%_24%__3%__5%
2021/08__(31367)_|___9%__12%__10%__71%__11%___2%__81%__10%_|__0%__1%_10%_69%__9%__1%_10%
2021/09__(_5566)_|__49%__49%__49%__22%__52%___3%__48%__49%_|__0%__3%_26%_19%_49%__0%__3%
2021/10__(_3376)_|__23%__23%__24%__18%__25%___2%__75%__23%_|__0%_11%_47%_17%_23%__0%__3%
2021/11__(_3248)_|__28%__28%__28%__16%__30%___2%__69%__28%_|__0%__7%_48%_14%_28%__0%__2%

_________________|_417N_452R_478K_484Q_501Y_570D_614G_681R_|___W___A___B___C___D___E___O
W=WuHan_A=452R+614G_B=484E+614G_C=484Q+614G_D=452R+478K+681R_E=478K+501Y_O=Other
This is what I mean. Only Ed knows how he gets \"1/3 are Delta\" from the above data. I think he did provide a link for the raw data, but it was in a form that is very hard to read or requires processing or something, I forget.
If i blank out the other parts:
2021/11__(_3248)_|__ ,,, _|__0%_____48%_____28%_______
_________________|_ ..._|___W_______B_______D_______
W=WuHan B=484E+614G D=452R+478K+681R

Let me rephase it:
WHO\'s delta variant is B.1.617.2 including D614G, T478K, L452R and P681R.

But there are almost no sample with all of them.
Instead, I see 48% with B=484E+614G and 28% with D=452R+478K+681R

WHO is right that 98% contains 614G, 478K, 452R and 681R, but they are two separate strains of virus in the USA.

Data source: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/datasets/coronavirus/genomes/
The data on this page doesn\'t seem to download. It says it\'s going to do it, but it never happens.

I don\'t believe in June the virus was 99% W and in July it was 99% B. Nope, didn\'t happen. You need to figure out what\'s wrong with your analysis or their data.
I do not have firm data before Sep 2020. Transition could have happened in Jul or Aug. But certainly by Sep, It\'s mostly B (D614G). The huge first wave occurs between Jul and Nov. If it\'s D614G in Sep, it\'s likely the same in Jul and Aug. D614G is so infectious that USA was number 1 for most of second part of 2020.

The data is still in NCBI, but it\'s impossible to back download, unless we have access to the raw data base. As with most government program, there is no \"ending date\". Namely, you can\'t specific an ending date to download.
I\'m not sure what you are trying to say. The data won\'t download at all. No date is specified.

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