Follow along with the video below to see how to install our site as a web app on your home screen.
Note: This feature may not be available in some browsers.
On 11/1/2020 3:10 PM, dagmargoodboat@yahoo.com wrote:
On Thursday, October 29, 2020 at 4:53:46 PM UTC-4, Ed Lee wrote:
Communism is taking private properties for sharing. Free service is socialism at best.
\'Free\' charging is still taking other people\'s property through taxes, to subsidize mostly richer people\'s electric fun cars.
Yes, i am open to charging for charging (for example, 15 cents per kwh). 25 cents for using the bathroom. and 5 cents per minutes when parked at night (when the street lights are on). Or just $1 for entering the rest area.
A pay-to-charge approach that bills for time and kWH would solve your problem of Teslas hogging the stations, and it would result in lots of private people getting interested in building out a charging network.
That sounds constructive.
It\'s a lot simpler to just use sale taxes to fund these services.
But that\'s robbing the poor to subsidize the rich -- it\'s not just, and it\'s not fair.
Cheers,
James Arthur
Jeez you fucking suck at even being the smarmy, sarcastic wingnut
NPD-case that you are.
On Sun, 1 Nov 2020 19:06:56 -0500, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:
On 11/1/2020 3:10 PM, dagmargoodboat@yahoo.com wrote:
On Thursday, October 29, 2020 at 4:53:46 PM UTC-4, Ed Lee wrote:
Communism is taking private properties for sharing. Free service is socialism at best.
\'Free\' charging is still taking other people\'s property through taxes, to subsidize mostly richer people\'s electric fun cars.
Yes, i am open to charging for charging (for example, 15 cents per kwh). 25 cents for using the bathroom. and 5 cents per minutes when parked at night (when the street lights are on). Or just $1 for entering the rest area.
A pay-to-charge approach that bills for time and kWH would solve your problem of Teslas hogging the stations, and it would result in lots of private people getting interested in building out a charging network.
That sounds constructive.
It\'s a lot simpler to just use sale taxes to fund these services.
But that\'s robbing the poor to subsidize the rich -- it\'s not just, and it\'s not fair.
Cheers,
James Arthur
Jeez you fucking suck at even being the smarmy, sarcastic wingnut
NPD-case that you are.
Even worse, he skis in short pants.
On 11/1/2020 8:43 PM, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Sun, 1 Nov 2020 19:06:56 -0500, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:
On 11/1/2020 3:10 PM, dagmargoodboat@yahoo.com wrote:
On Thursday, October 29, 2020 at 4:53:46 PM UTC-4, Ed Lee wrote:
Communism is taking private properties for sharing. Free service
is socialism at best.
\'Free\' charging is still taking other people\'s property through
taxes, to subsidize mostly richer people\'s electric fun cars.
Yes, i am open to charging for charging (for example, 15 cents per
kwh). 25 cents for using the bathroom. and 5 cents per minutes
when parked at night (when the street lights are on). Or just $1
for entering the rest area.
A pay-to-charge approach that bills for time and kWH would solve
your problem of Teslas hogging the stations, and it would result in
lots of private people getting interested in building out a charging
network.
That sounds constructive.
It\'s a lot simpler to just use sale taxes to fund these services.
But that\'s robbing the poor to subsidize the rich -- it\'s not just,
and it\'s not fair.
Cheers,
James Arthur
Jeez you fucking suck at even being the smarmy, sarcastic wingnut
NPD-case that you are.
Even worse, he skis in short pants.
JA sees wicked communists and clamoring orphans trying to rob him in
every closet and under every bed.
The midnight hour is close at hand, creatures crawl in search of blood,
to terrorize y\'alls neighborhood...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xIx_HbmRnQY
On Sunday, November 1, 2020 at 3:15:28 PM UTC-8, Ricketty C wrote:
On Sunday, November 1, 2020 at 4:41:52 PM UTC-5, Ed Lee wrote:
On Sunday, November 1, 2020 at 1:28:19 PM UTC-8, Ricketty C wrote:
On Sunday, November 1, 2020 at 4:11:16 PM UTC-5, Ed Lee wrote:
On Sunday, November 1, 2020 at 12:59:15 PM UTC-8, Ricketty C wrote:
On Sunday, November 1, 2020 at 3:43:22 PM UTC-5, Ed Lee wrote:
On Sunday, November 1, 2020 at 12:39:44 PM UTC-8, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Sun, 1 Nov 2020 12:10:39 -0800 (PST), dagmarg...@yahoo.com
wrote:
On Thursday, October 29, 2020 at 4:53:46 PM UTC-4, Ed Lee wrote:
Communism is taking private properties for sharing. Free service is socialism at best.
\'Free\' charging is still taking other people\'s property through taxes, to subsidize mostly richer people\'s electric fun cars.
Yes, i am open to charging for charging (for example, 15 cents per kwh). 25 cents for using the bathroom. and 5 cents per minutes when parked at night (when the street lights are on). Or just $1 for entering the rest area.
A pay-to-charge approach that bills for time and kWH would solve your problem of Teslas hogging the stations, and it would result in lots of private people getting interested in building out a charging network.
Hogging charging stations? No problem in Truckee.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/7i8ufcz1mq6fuuo/Tesla_1.jpg?raw=1
That\'s convenient public parking when Safeway is crowded.
If only they allow other EVs to plug into Tesla charger, even for a fee.
Musk has said many, many times that he is happy to open up the charging network to any car makers who are willing to contribute to the investment.
Why does he need to blackmail car companies? If he put up standard plugs, other EV drivers are certainly willing to pay to use them.
What does blackmail have to do with anything??? No one is blackmailing. Tesla has invested billions of dollars in their charging network. It is a competitive edge. Shouldn\'t other car makers contribute as well?
Other charging companies also invested billions, and there are competitive charging stations from EV connect and ChargePoint. Why can\'t Tesla do it without other car companies\' subsides.
Look, your arguments ignore pretty much everything about reality. I\'m not going to continue to reply to illogical discussions forever. Tesla IS \"doing it\" without anyone else in the world. They are providing charging for THEIR CUSTOMERS.
No problem, they are doing it to their customers. I am just ignoring them and their charging stations. So, we just leave each other alone.
They are providing charging better than anyone else in the world.
That\'s your opinions.
Why should they care that YOU want to charge on THEIR equipment that YOU had NO PART in paying for.
I am willing to pay the same price per kwh as other competitive charging stations. It\'s up to Tesla whether to provide the option or not.
I bought my Tesla at a time when they needed the money, so that they gave me free charging for life. What have you done for Tesla? Pretty much nothing.
Why do I have to do anything for Tesla? I am not driving a Tesla and not using Tesla charging stations.
But you seem to feel entitled to using that which belongs to others. You like taking control of Tesla\'s charging network, you like taking others\' money so you can charge for free.
No, i am willing to pay to use Tesla\'s charger.
Great. They have a small signup fee. Buy a Tesla and you can charge it at any Supercharger.
I would rather pay as it goes or charges. Why do I have to pay all upfront?
But you will only spend YOUR money on chargers that directly benefit YOU.
How\'s that different from Tesla\'s creation of proprieties charging stations?
Exactly!!! How is Tesla any different, i.e. worse than YOU???
All of this comes down to YOU wanting others to do their thing to please you when you do nothing for anyone else.
No i don\'t. I would rather leave Tesla and it\'s fans alone. We drive and charge differently. Why are you angry at me for pushing public chargers that are not to Tesla\'s advantage?
On Sunday, November 1, 2020 at 6:36:25 PM UTC-5, Ed Lee wrote:
On Sunday, November 1, 2020 at 3:15:28 PM UTC-8, Ricketty C wrote:
On Sunday, November 1, 2020 at 4:41:52 PM UTC-5, Ed Lee wrote:
On Sunday, November 1, 2020 at 1:28:19 PM UTC-8, Ricketty C wrote:
On Sunday, November 1, 2020 at 4:11:16 PM UTC-5, Ed Lee wrote:
On Sunday, November 1, 2020 at 12:59:15 PM UTC-8, Ricketty C wrote:
On Sunday, November 1, 2020 at 3:43:22 PM UTC-5, Ed Lee wrote:
On Sunday, November 1, 2020 at 12:39:44 PM UTC-8, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Sun, 1 Nov 2020 12:10:39 -0800 (PST), dagmarg...@yahoo.com
wrote:
On Thursday, October 29, 2020 at 4:53:46 PM UTC-4, Ed Lee wrote:
Communism is taking private properties for sharing. Free service is socialism at best.
\'Free\' charging is still taking other people\'s property through taxes, to subsidize mostly richer people\'s electric fun cars.
Yes, i am open to charging for charging (for example, 15 cents per kwh). 25 cents for using the bathroom. and 5 cents per minutes when parked at night (when the street lights are on). Or just $1 for entering the rest area.
A pay-to-charge approach that bills for time and kWH would solve your problem of Teslas hogging the stations, and it would result in lots of private people getting interested in building out a charging network.
Hogging charging stations? No problem in Truckee.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/7i8ufcz1mq6fuuo/Tesla_1.jpg?raw=1
That\'s convenient public parking when Safeway is crowded.
If only they allow other EVs to plug into Tesla charger, even for a fee.
Musk has said many, many times that he is happy to open up the charging network to any car makers who are willing to contribute to the investment.
Why does he need to blackmail car companies? If he put up standard plugs, other EV drivers are certainly willing to pay to use them.
What does blackmail have to do with anything??? No one is blackmailing. Tesla has invested billions of dollars in their charging network. It is a competitive edge. Shouldn\'t other car makers contribute as well?
Other charging companies also invested billions, and there are competitive charging stations from EV connect and ChargePoint. Why can\'t Tesla do it without other car companies\' subsides.
Look, your arguments ignore pretty much everything about reality. I\'m not going to continue to reply to illogical discussions forever. Tesla IS \"doing it\" without anyone else in the world. They are providing charging for THEIR CUSTOMERS.
No problem, they are doing it to their customers. I am just ignoring them and their charging stations. So, we just leave each other alone.
They are providing charging better than anyone else in the world.
That\'s your opinions.
Why should they care that YOU want to charge on THEIR equipment that YOU had NO PART in paying for.
I am willing to pay the same price per kwh as other competitive charging stations. It\'s up to Tesla whether to provide the option or not.
I bought my Tesla at a time when they needed the money, so that they gave me free charging for life. What have you done for Tesla? Pretty much nothing.
Why do I have to do anything for Tesla? I am not driving a Tesla and not using Tesla charging stations.
But you seem to feel entitled to using that which belongs to others. You like taking control of Tesla\'s charging network, you like taking others\' money so you can charge for free.
No, i am willing to pay to use Tesla\'s charger.
Great. They have a small signup fee. Buy a Tesla and you can charge it at any Supercharger.
I would rather pay as it goes or charges. Why do I have to pay all upfront?
But you will only spend YOUR money on chargers that directly benefit YOU.
How\'s that different from Tesla\'s creation of proprieties charging stations?
Exactly!!! How is Tesla any different, i.e. worse than YOU???
All of this comes down to YOU wanting others to do their thing to please you when you do nothing for anyone else.
No i don\'t. I would rather leave Tesla and it\'s fans alone. We drive and charge differently. Why are you angry at me for pushing public chargers that are not to Tesla\'s advantage?
You are a strange duck. You complain that you can\'t use the Tesla charging stations and then you say you don\'t really care. I literally don\'t give a rat\'s ass about what you do or what you promote, mostly because you are inconsequential.
On Sunday, November 1, 2020 at 9:08:40 PM UTC-8, Ricketty C wrote:
On Sunday, November 1, 2020 at 6:36:25 PM UTC-5, Ed Lee wrote:
On Sunday, November 1, 2020 at 3:15:28 PM UTC-8, Ricketty C wrote:
On Sunday, November 1, 2020 at 4:41:52 PM UTC-5, Ed Lee wrote:
On Sunday, November 1, 2020 at 1:28:19 PM UTC-8, Ricketty C wrote:
On Sunday, November 1, 2020 at 4:11:16 PM UTC-5, Ed Lee wrote:
On Sunday, November 1, 2020 at 12:59:15 PM UTC-8, Ricketty C wrote:
On Sunday, November 1, 2020 at 3:43:22 PM UTC-5, Ed Lee wrote:
On Sunday, November 1, 2020 at 12:39:44 PM UTC-8, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Sun, 1 Nov 2020 12:10:39 -0800 (PST), dagmarg...@yahoo.com
wrote:
On Thursday, October 29, 2020 at 4:53:46 PM UTC-4, Ed Lee wrote:
Communism is taking private properties for sharing. Free service is socialism at best.
\'Free\' charging is still taking other people\'s property through taxes, to subsidize mostly richer people\'s electric fun cars.
Yes, i am open to charging for charging (for example, 15 cents per kwh). 25 cents for using the bathroom. and 5 cents per minutes when parked at night (when the street lights are on). Or just $1 for entering the rest area.
A pay-to-charge approach that bills for time and kWH would solve your problem of Teslas hogging the stations, and it would result in lots of private people getting interested in building out a charging network.
Hogging charging stations? No problem in Truckee.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/7i8ufcz1mq6fuuo/Tesla_1.jpg?raw=1
That\'s convenient public parking when Safeway is crowded.
If only they allow other EVs to plug into Tesla charger, even for a fee.
Musk has said many, many times that he is happy to open up the charging network to any car makers who are willing to contribute to the investment.
Why does he need to blackmail car companies? If he put up standard plugs, other EV drivers are certainly willing to pay to use them.
What does blackmail have to do with anything??? No one is blackmailing. Tesla has invested billions of dollars in their charging network. It is a competitive edge. Shouldn\'t other car makers contribute as well?
Other charging companies also invested billions, and there are competitive charging stations from EV connect and ChargePoint. Why can\'t Tesla do it without other car companies\' subsides.
Look, your arguments ignore pretty much everything about reality. I\'m not going to continue to reply to illogical discussions forever. Tesla IS \"doing it\" without anyone else in the world. They are providing charging for THEIR CUSTOMERS.
No problem, they are doing it to their customers. I am just ignoring them and their charging stations. So, we just leave each other alone.
They are providing charging better than anyone else in the world.
That\'s your opinions.
Why should they care that YOU want to charge on THEIR equipment that YOU had NO PART in paying for.
I am willing to pay the same price per kwh as other competitive charging stations. It\'s up to Tesla whether to provide the option or not.
I bought my Tesla at a time when they needed the money, so that they gave me free charging for life. What have you done for Tesla? Pretty much nothing.
Why do I have to do anything for Tesla? I am not driving a Tesla and not using Tesla charging stations.
But you seem to feel entitled to using that which belongs to others. You like taking control of Tesla\'s charging network, you like taking others\' money so you can charge for free.
No, i am willing to pay to use Tesla\'s charger.
Great. They have a small signup fee. Buy a Tesla and you can charge it at any Supercharger.
I would rather pay as it goes or charges. Why do I have to pay all upfront?
But you will only spend YOUR money on chargers that directly benefit YOU.
How\'s that different from Tesla\'s creation of proprieties charging stations?
Exactly!!! How is Tesla any different, i.e. worse than YOU???
All of this comes down to YOU wanting others to do their thing to please you when you do nothing for anyone else.
No i don\'t. I would rather leave Tesla and it\'s fans alone. We drive and charge differently. Why are you angry at me for pushing public chargers that are not to Tesla\'s advantage?
You are a strange duck. You complain that you can\'t use the Tesla charging stations and then you say you don\'t really care. I literally don\'t give a rat\'s ass about what you do or what you promote, mostly because you are inconsequential.
I am not complaining, just suggesting that i could have used them if proper plugs are available. But i never found Tesla sites to be critical enough; namely, no other alternative around. For critical routes, Tesla stations are not available anyway.
Ok, I give up. You can\'t use the Tesla chargers and we are both happy with that. I\'m glad we resolved the issue.
So, if you don\'t care, are you ready to remove Tesla ads from your signature file now? Your ads are inflaming EV drivers more than helping.
On Sunday, November 1, 2020 at 9:08:40 PM UTC-8, Ricketty C wrote:
On Sunday, November 1, 2020 at 6:36:25 PM UTC-5, Ed Lee wrote:
On Sunday, November 1, 2020 at 3:15:28 PM UTC-8, Ricketty C wrote:
On Sunday, November 1, 2020 at 4:41:52 PM UTC-5, Ed Lee wrote:
On Sunday, November 1, 2020 at 1:28:19 PM UTC-8, Ricketty C wrote:
On Sunday, November 1, 2020 at 4:11:16 PM UTC-5, Ed Lee wrote:
On Sunday, November 1, 2020 at 12:59:15 PM UTC-8, Ricketty C wrote:
On Sunday, November 1, 2020 at 3:43:22 PM UTC-5, Ed Lee wrote:
On Sunday, November 1, 2020 at 12:39:44 PM UTC-8, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Sun, 1 Nov 2020 12:10:39 -0800 (PST), dagmarg...@yahoo.com
wrote:
On Thursday, October 29, 2020 at 4:53:46 PM UTC-4, Ed Lee wrote:
Communism is taking private properties for sharing. Free service is socialism at best.
\'Free\' charging is still taking other people\'s property through taxes, to subsidize mostly richer people\'s electric fun cars.
Yes, i am open to charging for charging (for example, 15 cents per kwh). 25 cents for using the bathroom. and 5 cents per minutes when parked at night (when the street lights are on). Or just $1 for entering the rest area.
A pay-to-charge approach that bills for time and kWH would solve your problem of Teslas hogging the stations, and it would result in lots of private people getting interested in building out a charging network.
Hogging charging stations? No problem in Truckee.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/7i8ufcz1mq6fuuo/Tesla_1.jpg?raw=1
That\'s convenient public parking when Safeway is crowded.
If only they allow other EVs to plug into Tesla charger, even for a fee.
Musk has said many, many times that he is happy to open up the charging network to any car makers who are willing to contribute to the investment.
Why does he need to blackmail car companies? If he put up standard plugs, other EV drivers are certainly willing to pay to use them.
What does blackmail have to do with anything??? No one is blackmailing. Tesla has invested billions of dollars in their charging network. It is a competitive edge. Shouldn\'t other car makers contribute as well?
Other charging companies also invested billions, and there are competitive charging stations from EV connect and ChargePoint. Why can\'t Tesla do it without other car companies\' subsides.
Look, your arguments ignore pretty much everything about reality. I\'m not going to continue to reply to illogical discussions forever. Tesla IS \"doing it\" without anyone else in the world. They are providing charging for THEIR CUSTOMERS.
No problem, they are doing it to their customers. I am just ignoring them and their charging stations. So, we just leave each other alone.
They are providing charging better than anyone else in the world.
That\'s your opinions.
Why should they care that YOU want to charge on THEIR equipment that YOU had NO PART in paying for.
I am willing to pay the same price per kwh as other competitive charging stations. It\'s up to Tesla whether to provide the option or not.
I bought my Tesla at a time when they needed the money, so that they gave me free charging for life. What have you done for Tesla? Pretty much nothing.
Why do I have to do anything for Tesla? I am not driving a Tesla and not using Tesla charging stations.
But you seem to feel entitled to using that which belongs to others. You like taking control of Tesla\'s charging network, you like taking others\' money so you can charge for free.
No, i am willing to pay to use Tesla\'s charger.
Great. They have a small signup fee. Buy a Tesla and you can charge it at any Supercharger.
I would rather pay as it goes or charges. Why do I have to pay all upfront?
But you will only spend YOUR money on chargers that directly benefit YOU.
How\'s that different from Tesla\'s creation of proprieties charging stations?
Exactly!!! How is Tesla any different, i.e. worse than YOU???
All of this comes down to YOU wanting others to do their thing to please you when you do nothing for anyone else.
No i don\'t. I would rather leave Tesla and it\'s fans alone. We drive and charge differently. Why are you angry at me for pushing public chargers that are not to Tesla\'s advantage?
You are a strange duck. You complain that you can\'t use the Tesla charging stations and then you say you don\'t really care. I literally don\'t give a rat\'s ass about what you do or what you promote, mostly because you are inconsequential.
I am not complaining, just suggesting that i could have used them if proper plugs are available. But i never found Tesla sites to be critical enough; namely, no other alternative around. For critical routes, Tesla stations are not available anyway.
Ok, I give up. You can\'t use the Tesla chargers and we are both happy with that. I\'m glad we resolved the issue.
So, if you don\'t care, are you ready to remove Tesla ads from your signature file now? Your ads are inflaming EV drivers more than helping.
I stayed a charger longer than someone appreciated one time, I was
within the time limit but they just wanted to use it at that point so
they simply parked next to me, pulled the charger out before my car was
complete, and plugged it into their car, pretty ballsy, but that lot was
well-covered by security cameras so they figure you\'re not going to do
anything untoward out of spite to \'em and nobody is going to come arrest
them just for yoinking a charger.
That is going to happen when there is only one charger (or anything
else) within 30 miles of a rest stop. So, we need to have so kind of
scheduling policy. I am suggesting multiple plugs (plugs are cheap),
but limiting powers. For instance, first EV got 30 minutes at full
power, but drop to half power after 30 minutes if there are others
waiting in the queue.
Messy, complicated, subject to technical issues and will require
custom designed equipment.
What happens if you plug in and the power glitches looking like you
unplugged. Now you are at the end of the line.
Standard equipment should be used pretty much everywhere. The commercial
market will provide solutions as problems arise. You just can\'t expect
them to address your particular solution any more than you can expect
the government to do so.
On 2020-11-01, Ricketty C <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> wrote:
I stayed a charger longer than someone appreciated one time, I was
within the time limit but they just wanted to use it at that point so
they simply parked next to me, pulled the charger out before my car was
complete, and plugged it into their car, pretty ballsy, but that lot was
well-covered by security cameras so they figure you\'re not going to do
anything untoward out of spite to \'em and nobody is going to come arrest
them just for yoinking a charger.
That is going to happen when there is only one charger (or anything
else) within 30 miles of a rest stop. So, we need to have so kind of
scheduling policy. I am suggesting multiple plugs (plugs are cheap),
but limiting powers. For instance, first EV got 30 minutes at full
power, but drop to half power after 30 minutes if there are others
waiting in the queue.
Messy, complicated, subject to technical issues and will require
custom designed equipment.
however not actually that complicated to implement, the charger can
tell the car how much current to draw
When you plug in how would the system know anyone else is waiting?
there would have to be multiple charging stations.
What happens if you plug in and the power glitches looking like you
unplugged. Now you are at the end of the line.
It wouldn\'t look like that, there\'s conductors in the cable to detect
presence etc. maybe it needs some sort of battery backup for the
microcontroller.
Standard equipment should be used pretty much everywhere. The commercial
market will provide solutions as problems arise. You just can\'t expect
them to address your particular solution any more than you can expect
the government to do so.
there\'s already chargers tha can share current between multiple cars
On 11/1/2020 8:43 PM, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Sun, 1 Nov 2020 19:06:56 -0500, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:
On 11/1/2020 3:10 PM, dagmargoodboat@yahoo.com wrote:
On Thursday, October 29, 2020 at 4:53:46 PM UTC-4, Ed Lee wrote:
Communism is taking private properties for sharing. Free service is socialism at best.
\'Free\' charging is still taking other people\'s property through taxes, to subsidize mostly richer people\'s electric fun cars.
Yes, i am open to charging for charging (for example, 15 cents per kwh). 25 cents for using the bathroom. and 5 cents per minutes when parked at night (when the street lights are on). Or just $1 for entering the rest area.
A pay-to-charge approach that bills for time and kWH would solve your problem of Teslas hogging the stations, and it would result in lots of private people getting interested in building out a charging network.
That sounds constructive.
It\'s a lot simpler to just use sale taxes to fund these services.
But that\'s robbing the poor to subsidize the rich -- it\'s not just, and it\'s not fair.
Cheers,
James Arthur
Jeez you fucking suck at even being the smarmy, sarcastic wingnut
NPD-case that you are.
Even worse, he skis in short pants.
JA sees wicked communists and clamoring orphans trying to rob him in
every closet and under every bed.
On 2020-11-01, Ricketty C <gnuarm.del...@gmail.com> wrote:
I stayed a charger longer than someone appreciated one time, I was
within the time limit but they just wanted to use it at that point so
they simply parked next to me, pulled the charger out before my car was
complete, and plugged it into their car, pretty ballsy, but that lot was
well-covered by security cameras so they figure you\'re not going to do
anything untoward out of spite to \'em and nobody is going to come arrest
them just for yoinking a charger.
That is going to happen when there is only one charger (or anything
else) within 30 miles of a rest stop. So, we need to have so kind of
scheduling policy. I am suggesting multiple plugs (plugs are cheap),
but limiting powers. For instance, first EV got 30 minutes at full
power, but drop to half power after 30 minutes if there are others
waiting in the queue.
Messy, complicated, subject to technical issues and will require
custom designed equipment.
however not actually that complicated to implement, the charger can
tell the car how much current to draw
When you plug in how would the system know anyone else is waiting?
there would have to be multiple charging stations.
What happens if you plug in and the power glitches looking like you
unplugged. Now you are at the end of the line.
It wouldn\'t look like that, there\'s conductors in the cable to detect
presence etc. maybe it needs some sort of battery backup for the
microcontroller.
Standard equipment should be used pretty much everywhere. The commercial
market will provide solutions as problems arise. You just can\'t expect
them to address your particular solution any more than you can expect
the government to do so.
there\'s already chargers tha can share current between multiple cars
On Monday, November 2, 2020 at 2:31:00 AM UTC-5, Jasen Betts wrote:
On 2020-11-01, Ricketty C <gnuarm.del...@gmail.com> wrote:
I stayed a charger longer than someone appreciated one time, I was
within the time limit but they just wanted to use it at that point so
they simply parked next to me, pulled the charger out before my car was
complete, and plugged it into their car, pretty ballsy, but that lot was
well-covered by security cameras so they figure you\'re not going to do
anything untoward out of spite to \'em and nobody is going to come arrest
them just for yoinking a charger.
That is going to happen when there is only one charger (or anything
else) within 30 miles of a rest stop. So, we need to have so kind of
scheduling policy. I am suggesting multiple plugs (plugs are cheap),
but limiting powers. For instance, first EV got 30 minutes at full
power, but drop to half power after 30 minutes if there are others
waiting in the queue.
Messy, complicated, subject to technical issues and will require
custom designed equipment.
however not actually that complicated to implement, the charger can
tell the car how much current to draw
I\'m not talking about the electronics. I\'m talking about the stupid idea that someone should be cut off or even back before their car is charged. The limiting resource is the charging spots. Slowing the charge on a car is just making the spot occupied longer and accomplishes nothing.
On Sunday, November 1, 2020 at 11:31:00 PM UTC-8, Jasen Betts wrote:
On 2020-11-01, Ricketty C <gnuarm.del...@gmail.com> wrote:
I stayed a charger longer than someone appreciated one time, I was
within the time limit but they just wanted to use it at that point so
they simply parked next to me, pulled the charger out before my car was
complete, and plugged it into their car, pretty ballsy, but that lot was
well-covered by security cameras so they figure you\'re not going to do
anything untoward out of spite to \'em and nobody is going to come arrest
them just for yoinking a charger.
That is going to happen when there is only one charger (or anything
else) within 30 miles of a rest stop. So, we need to have so kind of
scheduling policy. I am suggesting multiple plugs (plugs are cheap),
but limiting powers. For instance, first EV got 30 minutes at full
power, but drop to half power after 30 minutes if there are others
waiting in the queue.
Messy, complicated, subject to technical issues and will require
custom designed equipment.
however not actually that complicated to implement, the charger can
tell the car how much current to draw
When you plug in how would the system know anyone else is waiting?
there would have to be multiple charging stations.
Just multiple plugs, if arrange properly. Well, if you have to call them multiple stations, that\'s fine.
What happens if you plug in and the power glitches looking like you
unplugged. Now you are at the end of the line.
It wouldn\'t look like that, there\'s conductors in the cable to detect
presence etc. maybe it needs some sort of battery backup for the
microcontroller.
Standard equipment should be used pretty much everywhere. The commercial
market will provide solutions as problems arise. You just can\'t expect
them to address your particular solution any more than you can expect
the government to do so.
there\'s already chargers tha can share current between multiple cars
But they don\'t set priority and timing. They don\'t discourage charging overtime.
On Monday, November 2, 2020 at 10:03:44 AM UTC-5, Ed Lee wrote:
On Sunday, November 1, 2020 at 11:31:00 PM UTC-8, Jasen Betts wrote:
On 2020-11-01, Ricketty C <gnuarm.del...@gmail.com> wrote:
I stayed a charger longer than someone appreciated one time, I was
within the time limit but they just wanted to use it at that point so
they simply parked next to me, pulled the charger out before my car was
complete, and plugged it into their car, pretty ballsy, but that lot was
well-covered by security cameras so they figure you\'re not going to do
anything untoward out of spite to \'em and nobody is going to come arrest
them just for yoinking a charger.
That is going to happen when there is only one charger (or anything
else) within 30 miles of a rest stop. So, we need to have so kind of
scheduling policy. I am suggesting multiple plugs (plugs are cheap),
but limiting powers. For instance, first EV got 30 minutes at full
power, but drop to half power after 30 minutes if there are others
waiting in the queue.
Messy, complicated, subject to technical issues and will require
custom designed equipment.
however not actually that complicated to implement, the charger can
tell the car how much current to draw
When you plug in how would the system know anyone else is waiting?
there would have to be multiple charging stations.
Just multiple plugs, if arrange properly. Well, if you have to call them multiple stations, that\'s fine.
You don\'t explain how any of this works.
What happens if you plug in and the power glitches looking like you
unplugged. Now you are at the end of the line.
It wouldn\'t look like that, there\'s conductors in the cable to detect
presence etc. maybe it needs some sort of battery backup for the
microcontroller.
Standard equipment should be used pretty much everywhere. The commercial
market will provide solutions as problems arise. You just can\'t expect
them to address your particular solution any more than you can expect
the government to do so.
there\'s already chargers tha can share current between multiple cars
But they don\'t set priority and timing. They don\'t discourage charging overtime.
Actually, the Tesla units do because they are shared between two cars. If the chargers are separate for each car you don\'t need most of what you are talking about. I would ask just what you mean by \"charging overtime\", but I\'m not sure I want to know.
On Monday, November 2, 2020 at 8:41:02 AM UTC-8, Rickster C wrote:
On Monday, November 2, 2020 at 10:03:44 AM UTC-5, Ed Lee wrote:
On Sunday, November 1, 2020 at 11:31:00 PM UTC-8, Jasen Betts wrote:
On 2020-11-01, Ricketty C <gnuarm.del...@gmail.com> wrote:
I stayed a charger longer than someone appreciated one time, I was
within the time limit but they just wanted to use it at that point so
they simply parked next to me, pulled the charger out before my car was
complete, and plugged it into their car, pretty ballsy, but that lot was
well-covered by security cameras so they figure you\'re not going to do
anything untoward out of spite to \'em and nobody is going to come arrest
them just for yoinking a charger.
That is going to happen when there is only one charger (or anything
else) within 30 miles of a rest stop. So, we need to have so kind of
scheduling policy. I am suggesting multiple plugs (plugs are cheap),
but limiting powers. For instance, first EV got 30 minutes at full
power, but drop to half power after 30 minutes if there are others
waiting in the queue.
Messy, complicated, subject to technical issues and will require
custom designed equipment.
however not actually that complicated to implement, the charger can
tell the car how much current to draw
When you plug in how would the system know anyone else is waiting?
there would have to be multiple charging stations.
Just multiple plugs, if arrange properly. Well, if you have to call them multiple stations, that\'s fine.
You don\'t explain how any of this works.
What happens if you plug in and the power glitches looking like you
unplugged. Now you are at the end of the line.
It wouldn\'t look like that, there\'s conductors in the cable to detect
presence etc. maybe it needs some sort of battery backup for the
microcontroller.
Standard equipment should be used pretty much everywhere. The commercial
market will provide solutions as problems arise. You just can\'t expect
them to address your particular solution any more than you can expect
the government to do so.
there\'s already chargers tha can share current between multiple cars
But they don\'t set priority and timing. They don\'t discourage charging overtime.
Actually, the Tesla units do because they are shared between two cars. If the chargers are separate for each car you don\'t need most of what you are talking about. I would ask just what you mean by \"charging overtime\", but I\'m not sure I want to know.
Because there is limited power available at these sites. The only reason is to provide a few kwh for EVs to move to the next charging station, in a way as fair to each other as possible.
That\'s a big problem with trying to discuss things with you. You have ideas in your head you never explain to anyone. Car chargers are about charging cars. There is no reason to limit the time a car spends on the charger as long as it is charging. Once charged most chargers discourage remaining connected by continuing to charge per minute fees. When they are free that doesn\'t happen. That can be a problem. But I\'m pretty sure that\'s not what you are talking about. Since you are actually talking about forcing others to build charging networks to suit your wants, the entire discussion is without merit anyway.
You have pre-determined idea that people only drive Tesla, but that\'s not the real world.
On Sun, 1 Nov 2020 22:35:49 -0500, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:
On 11/1/2020 8:43 PM, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Sun, 1 Nov 2020 19:06:56 -0500, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:
On 11/1/2020 3:10 PM, dagmargoodboat@yahoo.com wrote:
On Thursday, October 29, 2020 at 4:53:46 PM UTC-4, Ed Lee wrote:
Communism is taking private properties for sharing. Free service is socialism at best.
\'Free\' charging is still taking other people\'s property through taxes, to subsidize mostly richer people\'s electric fun cars.
Yes, i am open to charging for charging (for example, 15 cents per kwh). 25 cents for using the bathroom. and 5 cents per minutes when parked at night (when the street lights are on). Or just $1 for entering the rest area.
A pay-to-charge approach that bills for time and kWH would solve your problem of Teslas hogging the stations, and it would result in lots of private people getting interested in building out a charging network.
That sounds constructive.
It\'s a lot simpler to just use sale taxes to fund these services.
But that\'s robbing the poor to subsidize the rich -- it\'s not just, and it\'s not fair.
Cheers,
James Arthur
Jeez you fucking suck at even being the smarmy, sarcastic wingnut
NPD-case that you are.
Even worse, he skis in short pants.
JA sees wicked communists and clamoring orphans trying to rob him in
every closet and under every bed.
He understands how Capitalist Western civilization is the best thing
this planet has seen so far, and why many people want to destroy it.
He has done more research on this than I have, but I\'m trying to catch
up.
On 11/2/2020 9:56 AM, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Sun, 1 Nov 2020 22:35:49 -0500, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:
On 11/1/2020 8:43 PM, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Sun, 1 Nov 2020 19:06:56 -0500, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:
On 11/1/2020 3:10 PM, dagmargoodboat@yahoo.com wrote:
On Thursday, October 29, 2020 at 4:53:46 PM UTC-4, Ed Lee wrote:
Communism is taking private properties for sharing. Free service is socialism at best.
\'Free\' charging is still taking other people\'s property through taxes, to subsidize mostly richer people\'s electric fun cars.
Yes, i am open to charging for charging (for example, 15 cents per kwh). 25 cents for using the bathroom. and 5 cents per minutes when parked at night (when the street lights are on). Or just $1 for entering the rest area.
A pay-to-charge approach that bills for time and kWH would solve your problem of Teslas hogging the stations, and it would result in lots of private people getting interested in building out a charging network.
That sounds constructive.
It\'s a lot simpler to just use sale taxes to fund these services.
But that\'s robbing the poor to subsidize the rich -- it\'s not just, and it\'s not fair.
Cheers,
James Arthur
Jeez you fucking suck at even being the smarmy, sarcastic wingnut
NPD-case that you are.
Even worse, he skis in short pants.
JA sees wicked communists and clamoring orphans trying to rob him in
every closet and under every bed.
He understands how Capitalist Western civilization is the best thing
this planet has seen so far, and why many people want to destroy it.
He has done more research on this than I have, but I\'m trying to catch
up.
As Friedrich Hayek sort of noted in his later years, while
representative democracy was at one time one of Western Civilization\'s
inventions, representative democracy is somewhat tangential to the
success of capitalist civilization. It\'s thriving in China and China is
surely not a democracy.
Western civilization has never really been consistently sold on the idea
as an end-goal I don\'t think. it\'s a a stepping-stone to a more pure
system. A more pure people, if you will, a higher form of evolution of
the human species, of which surely James Arthur, and like, maybe, Mr.
Larkin, will be regarded by history as early examples.
I think capitalist Western civilization is kinda jealous of China\'s
success and figures it knows what the problem is, there are too many
people who \"want to destroy it\" still walking around and breathing.
He also has an excellent singing voice. I\'ll never be able to do that.
\"The aspiring ubermensch never imagined the other ubermensch would put
signing on the ubermensch test until they arrested him for being bad at
it\" is basically reactionary-ism, in summary
On Mon, 2 Nov 2020 13:11:07 -0500, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:
On 11/2/2020 9:56 AM, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Sun, 1 Nov 2020 22:35:49 -0500, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:
On 11/1/2020 8:43 PM, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Sun, 1 Nov 2020 19:06:56 -0500, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:
On 11/1/2020 3:10 PM, dagmargoodboat@yahoo.com wrote:
On Thursday, October 29, 2020 at 4:53:46 PM UTC-4, Ed Lee wrote:
Communism is taking private properties for sharing. Free service is socialism at best.
\'Free\' charging is still taking other people\'s property through taxes, to subsidize mostly richer people\'s electric fun cars.
Yes, i am open to charging for charging (for example, 15 cents per kwh). 25 cents for using the bathroom. and 5 cents per minutes when parked at night (when the street lights are on). Or just $1 for entering the rest area.
A pay-to-charge approach that bills for time and kWH would solve your problem of Teslas hogging the stations, and it would result in lots of private people getting interested in building out a charging network.
That sounds constructive.
It\'s a lot simpler to just use sale taxes to fund these services.
But that\'s robbing the poor to subsidize the rich -- it\'s not just, and it\'s not fair.
Cheers,
James Arthur
Jeez you fucking suck at even being the smarmy, sarcastic wingnut
NPD-case that you are.
Even worse, he skis in short pants.
JA sees wicked communists and clamoring orphans trying to rob him in
every closet and under every bed.
He understands how Capitalist Western civilization is the best thing
this planet has seen so far, and why many people want to destroy it.
He has done more research on this than I have, but I\'m trying to catch
up.
As Friedrich Hayek sort of noted in his later years, while
representative democracy was at one time one of Western Civilization\'s
inventions, representative democracy is somewhat tangential to the
success of capitalist civilization. It\'s thriving in China and China is
surely not a democracy.
Western civilization has never really been consistently sold on the idea
as an end-goal I don\'t think. it\'s a a stepping-stone to a more pure
system. A more pure people, if you will, a higher form of evolution of
the human species, of which surely James Arthur, and like, maybe, Mr.
Larkin, will be regarded by history as early examples.
I think capitalist Western civilization is kinda jealous of China\'s
success and figures it knows what the problem is, there are too many
people who \"want to destroy it\" still walking around and breathing.
What is there to be jealous about China?
He also has an excellent singing voice. I\'ll never be able to do that.
\"The aspiring ubermensch never imagined the other ubermensch would put
signing on the ubermensch test until they arrested him for being bad at
it\" is basically reactionary-ism, in summary
Western, european civilization began dominating the world when the
western countries were still monarchies. They dominated in technology
and warfare, later in literacy and science, even later in culture and
representative government.
Go to google street view and prowl the world. It all looks pretty
western now. Roads, cars, SUVs, trucks, houses, satellite dishes,
restaurants, schools, street lights, all that sort of thing. It\'s hard
to tell a neighborhood in India from one in Belguim.
Native Americans adapted to horses and houses and pickup trucks and
casinos pretty well.
On 11/2/2020 3:12 PM, John Larkin wrote:
On Mon, 2 Nov 2020 13:11:07 -0500, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:
On 11/2/2020 9:56 AM, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Sun, 1 Nov 2020 22:35:49 -0500, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:
On 11/1/2020 8:43 PM, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Sun, 1 Nov 2020 19:06:56 -0500, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:
On 11/1/2020 3:10 PM, dagmargoodboat@yahoo.com wrote:
On Thursday, October 29, 2020 at 4:53:46 PM UTC-4, Ed Lee wrote:
Communism is taking private properties for sharing. Free service is socialism at best.
\'Free\' charging is still taking other people\'s property through taxes, to subsidize mostly richer people\'s electric fun cars.
Yes, i am open to charging for charging (for example, 15 cents per kwh). 25 cents for using the bathroom. and 5 cents per minutes when parked at night (when the street lights are on). Or just $1 for entering the rest area.
A pay-to-charge approach that bills for time and kWH would solve your problem of Teslas hogging the stations, and it would result in lots of private people getting interested in building out a charging network.
That sounds constructive.
It\'s a lot simpler to just use sale taxes to fund these services.
But that\'s robbing the poor to subsidize the rich -- it\'s not just, and it\'s not fair.
Cheers,
James Arthur
Jeez you fucking suck at even being the smarmy, sarcastic wingnut
NPD-case that you are.
Even worse, he skis in short pants.
JA sees wicked communists and clamoring orphans trying to rob him in
every closet and under every bed.
He understands how Capitalist Western civilization is the best thing
this planet has seen so far, and why many people want to destroy it.
He has done more research on this than I have, but I\'m trying to catch
up.
As Friedrich Hayek sort of noted in his later years, while
representative democracy was at one time one of Western Civilization\'s
inventions, representative democracy is somewhat tangential to the
success of capitalist civilization. It\'s thriving in China and China is
surely not a democracy.
Western civilization has never really been consistently sold on the idea
as an end-goal I don\'t think. it\'s a a stepping-stone to a more pure
system. A more pure people, if you will, a higher form of evolution of
the human species, of which surely James Arthur, and like, maybe, Mr.
Larkin, will be regarded by history as early examples.
I think capitalist Western civilization is kinda jealous of China\'s
success and figures it knows what the problem is, there are too many
people who \"want to destroy it\" still walking around and breathing.
What is there to be jealous about China?
He also has an excellent singing voice. I\'ll never be able to do that.
\"The aspiring ubermensch never imagined the other ubermensch would put
signing on the ubermensch test until they arrested him for being bad at
it\" is basically reactionary-ism, in summary
Western, european civilization began dominating the world when the
western countries were still monarchies. They dominated in technology
and warfare, later in literacy and science, even later in culture and
representative government.
Go to google street view and prowl the world. It all looks pretty
western now. Roads, cars, SUVs, trucks, houses, satellite dishes,
restaurants, schools, street lights, all that sort of thing. It\'s hard
to tell a neighborhood in India from one in Belguim.
Native Americans adapted to horses and houses and pickup trucks and
casinos pretty well.
Yeah a lot of the world did pretty good with the science and technology
and representative government, while meanwhile in America with ideas
like \"climate skepticism\", \"herd immunity\", and \"Make America Great
Again\" a lot of its supposed foremost defenders seem content to dive
back into witchcraft and the reading of the future in pig entrails.
Grass is always greener-thing, I guess.
On Mon, 2 Nov 2020 13:11:07 -0500, bitrex <us...@example.net> wrote:
On 11/2/2020 9:56 AM, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Sun, 1 Nov 2020 22:35:49 -0500, bitrex <us...@example.net> wrote:
On 11/1/2020 8:43 PM, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Sun, 1 Nov 2020 19:06:56 -0500, bitrex <us...@example.net> wrote:
On 11/1/2020 3:10 PM, dagmarg...@yahoo.com wrote:
On Thursday, October 29, 2020 at 4:53:46 PM UTC-4, Ed Lee wrote:
Communism is taking private properties for sharing. Free service is socialism at best.
\'Free\' charging is still taking other people\'s property through taxes, to subsidize mostly richer people\'s electric fun cars.
Yes, i am open to charging for charging (for example, 15 cents per kwh). 25 cents for using the bathroom. and 5 cents per minutes when parked at night (when the street lights are on). Or just $1 for entering the rest area.
A pay-to-charge approach that bills for time and kWH would solve your problem of Teslas hogging the stations, and it would result in lots of private people getting interested in building out a charging network.
That sounds constructive.
It\'s a lot simpler to just use sale taxes to fund these services.
But that\'s robbing the poor to subsidize the rich -- it\'s not just, and it\'s not fair.
Cheers,
James Arthur
Jeez you fucking suck at even being the smarmy, sarcastic wingnut
NPD-case that you are.
Even worse, he skis in short pants.
JA sees wicked communists and clamoring orphans trying to rob him in
every closet and under every bed.
He understands how Capitalist Western civilization is the best thing
this planet has seen so far, and why many people want to destroy it.
He has done more research on this than I have, but I\'m trying to catch
up.
As Friedrich Hayek sort of noted in his later years, while
representative democracy was at one time one of Western Civilization\'s
inventions, representative democracy is somewhat tangential to the
success of capitalist civilization. It\'s thriving in China and China is
surely not a democracy.
Western civilization has never really been consistently sold on the idea
as an end-goal I don\'t think. it\'s a a stepping-stone to a more pure
system. A more pure people, if you will, a higher form of evolution of
the human species, of which surely James Arthur, and like, maybe, Mr.
Larkin, will be regarded by history as early examples.
I think capitalist Western civilization is kinda jealous of China\'s
success and figures it knows what the problem is, there are too many
people who \"want to destroy it\" still walking around and breathing.
What is there to be jealous about China?