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Bill Sloman

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From today\'s Proceedings of the (US) National Academy of Science.

https://www.pnas.org/content/pnas/early/2020/08/20/2014750117.full.pdf

The paper comes from a single author at the University of Minnesota.

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Bill Sloman, Sydney
 
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Fred Bloggs

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On Tuesday, September 8, 2020 at 9:04:34 PM UTC-4, Bill Sloman wrote:
From today\'s Proceedings of the (US) National Academy of Science.

https://www.pnas.org/content/pnas/early/2020/08/20/2014750117.full.pdf

The paper comes from a single author at the University of Minnesota.

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Bill Sloman, Sydney
That\'s easily fixed by making white people die younger.
 
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John Robertson

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On 2020/09/09 8:33 a.m., Fred Bloggs wrote:
On Tuesday, September 8, 2020 at 9:04:34 PM UTC-4, Bill Sloman wrote:
From today\'s Proceedings of the (US) National Academy of Science.

https://www.pnas.org/content/pnas/early/2020/08/20/2014750117.full.pdf

The paper comes from a single author at the University of Minnesota.

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Bill Sloman, Sydney

That\'s easily fixed by making white people die younger.
But in the US white people do die younger than in most developed
countries...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_life_expectancy

Oddly enough these same countries, where people live longer than the US,
pretty much all have some sort of universal health care - Nah, there
can\'t be a connection!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_with_universal_health_care

John :-#(#
 
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Fred Bloggs

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On Wednesday, September 9, 2020 at 3:11:28 PM UTC-4, John Robertson wrote:
On 2020/09/09 8:33 a.m., Fred Bloggs wrote:
On Tuesday, September 8, 2020 at 9:04:34 PM UTC-4, Bill Sloman wrote:
From today\'s Proceedings of the (US) National Academy of Science.

https://www.pnas.org/content/pnas/early/2020/08/20/2014750117.full.pdf

The paper comes from a single author at the University of Minnesota.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

That\'s easily fixed by making white people die younger.

But in the US white people do die younger than in most developed
countries...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_life_expectancy

Oddly enough these same countries, where people live longer than the US,
pretty much all have some sort of universal health care - Nah, there
can\'t be a connection!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_with_universal_health_care

John :-#(#
Where is anything broken out by race in those ridiculous links?

There are a bunch of U.S. statistics that make the country look bad UNTIL you correct for the troublesome demographics- after which the country shines. The troublesome demographics don\'t have to be purely racial, they\'re mostly based on poverty.
 
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Flyguy

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On Tuesday, September 8, 2020 at 6:04:34 PM UTC-7, Bill Sloman wrote:
From today\'s Proceedings of the (US) National Academy of Science.

https://www.pnas.org/content/pnas/early/2020/08/20/2014750117.full.pdf

The paper comes from a single author at the University of Minnesota.

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SL0W MAN, Sydney
Hey SL0W MAN,

PNAS is a far-left organization not known for its impartiality. If you REALLY want to know what is killing black males, just go to the CDC who is mandated to compile these statistics:
https://www.cdc.gov/healthequity/lcod/men/2017/nonhispanic-black/index.htm
It is plain to see that the LEADING cause of death for black males younger than 45 years is HOMICIDE, and the homicides are being committed by OTHER black males (9 to 1). The next leading cause is UNINTENTIONAL injuries.

This article doesn\'t even mention homicides. The higher death rates from the Chinese virus by race are due entirely to the fact that these races DON\'T practice simple preventative measures such as social distancing and not going to large gatherings which can trigger a superspreader event. Minority groups also have occupations that ignore these guidelines, such as meat processing plants.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-health/science-and-disease/superspreader-events-may-responsible-80-percent-coronavirus/
Lower educational levels inevitably mean that these groups are less likely to listen to and accept health safety guidelines. This is well-known for broadly communicated unhealthy activities such as smoking.
 
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bitrex

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On 9/9/2020 4:42 AM, John Doe wrote:
Trashing marriage law devastated black people, nothing else has come
anywhere near that level of destruction. Their churches no longer
preach from the Bible because black women will just take their money
to a church that will preach what they want to hear. Since men can
no longer run their own families, their boys grow up without fathers
present and consequently without learning respect for the law.
That\'s why black males end up being wards of the state.

America is more racial tolerant than the vast majority of other
countries, including this filthy troll\'s country.
Give women the right to vote and they tend to vote against the idea of
themselves being property. I\'d vote against anyone being required to be
John Doe\'s property, too lol
 
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John S

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On 9/8/2020 8:04 PM, Bill Sloman wrote:
From today\'s Proceedings of the (US) National Academy of Science.

https://www.pnas.org/content/pnas/early/2020/08/20/2014750117.full.pdf

The paper comes from a single author at the University of Minnesota.
What do you propose to do about it?
 
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John Larkin

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On Wed, 9 Sep 2020 12:25:12 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
<bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com> wrote:

On Wednesday, September 9, 2020 at 3:11:28 PM UTC-4, John Robertson wrote:
On 2020/09/09 8:33 a.m., Fred Bloggs wrote:
On Tuesday, September 8, 2020 at 9:04:34 PM UTC-4, Bill Sloman wrote:
From today\'s Proceedings of the (US) National Academy of Science.

https://www.pnas.org/content/pnas/early/2020/08/20/2014750117.full.pdf

The paper comes from a single author at the University of Minnesota.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

That\'s easily fixed by making white people die younger.

But in the US white people do die younger than in most developed
countries...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_life_expectancy

Oddly enough these same countries, where people live longer than the US,
pretty much all have some sort of universal health care - Nah, there
can\'t be a connection!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_with_universal_health_care

John :-#(#

Where is anything broken out by race in those ridiculous links?

There are a bunch of U.S. statistics that make the country look bad UNTIL you correct for the troublesome demographics- after which the country shines. The troublesome demographics don\'t have to be purely racial, they\'re mostly based on poverty.
\"Asians\" have the highest life expectancy of any group in the USA,
86.3, which is interestingly better than Japan (84.5) or Hong Kong
(84.7) or indeed any of the countries in the link above. In
California, Asian LE is 87.7.

\"Hispanics\" are second highest.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_and_health_in_the_United_States#Life_expectancy


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John Larkin Highland Technology, Inc trk

The cork popped merrily, and Lord Peter rose to his feet.
\"Bunter\", he said, \"I give you a toast. The triumph of Instinct over Reason\"
 
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Flyguy

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On Wednesday, September 9, 2020 at 3:48:09 PM UTC-7, John Larkin wrote:
On Wed, 9 Sep 2020 12:25:12 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com> wrote:

On Wednesday, September 9, 2020 at 3:11:28 PM UTC-4, John Robertson wrote:
On 2020/09/09 8:33 a.m., Fred Bloggs wrote:
On Tuesday, September 8, 2020 at 9:04:34 PM UTC-4, Bill Sloman wrote:
From today\'s Proceedings of the (US) National Academy of Science.

https://www.pnas.org/content/pnas/early/2020/08/20/2014750117.full.pdf

The paper comes from a single author at the University of Minnesota.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

That\'s easily fixed by making white people die younger.

But in the US white people do die younger than in most developed
countries...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_life_expectancy

Oddly enough these same countries, where people live longer than the US,
pretty much all have some sort of universal health care - Nah, there
can\'t be a connection!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_with_universal_health_care

John :-#(#

Where is anything broken out by race in those ridiculous links?

There are a bunch of U.S. statistics that make the country look bad UNTIL you correct for the troublesome demographics- after which the country shines. The troublesome demographics don\'t have to be purely racial, they\'re mostly based on poverty.

\"Asians\" have the highest life expectancy of any group in the USA,
86.3, which is interestingly better than Japan (84.5) or Hong Kong
(84.7) or indeed any of the countries in the link above. In
California, Asian LE is 87.7.

\"Hispanics\" are second highest.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_and_health_in_the_United_States#Life_expectancy


--

John Larkin Highland Technology, Inc trk

The cork popped merrily, and Lord Peter rose to his feet.
\"Bunter\", he said, \"I give you a toast. The triumph of Instinct over Reason\"
This means that being a racial minority in the US is not, by itself, connected to shorter lifespans.
 
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Bill Sloman

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On Thursday, September 10, 2020 at 5:44:50 AM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
On Tuesday, September 8, 2020 at 6:04:34 PM UTC-7, Bill Sloman wrote:
From today\'s Proceedings of the (US) National Academy of Science.

https://www.pnas.org/content/pnas/early/2020/08/20/2014750117.full.pdf

The paper comes from a single author at the University of Minnesota.

PNAS is a far-left organization not known for its impartiality.
Which reflects the fact that Flyguy is a right-wing nitwit, and thinks that everybody else should share his bizarre delusions.

The US National Academy of Sciences is a self-selected bunch of senior senior academics. The ones I know aren\'t noticeably left wing - I\'ve never met Noam Chomsky who is - while Steve Pinker strikes me as somewhat right-of-centre. As academics, they are really good at impartiality - which is a concept that Flyguy isn\'t equipped to understand

If you REALLY want to know what is killing black males, just go to the CDC who is mandated to compile these statistics:
https://www.cdc.gov/healthequity/lcod/men/2017/nonhispanic-black/index.htm

It is plain to see that the LEADING cause of death for black males younger than 45 years is HOMICIDE, and the homicides are being committed by OTHER black males (9 to 1). The next leading cause is UNINTENTIONAL injuries.
https://www.cdc.gov/healthequity/lcod/men/2017/nonhispanic-white/index.htm

For white males younger than 45 years unintentional injuries are the leading cause of death - 44.5% - with suicide next at 16.8%. Homicide is lower - at 5.3%. Doing something silly enough to get yourself killed by somebody else is rather close to suicide.

The US is a dangerous place - not least because there are lots of guns around, which makes suicide attempts more successful, and flordi insantiy a reall menace to other people.

> This article doesn\'t even mention homicides. The higher death rates from the Chinese virus by race are due entirely to the fact that these races DON\'T practice simple preventative measures such as social distancing and not going to large gatherings which can trigger a superspreader event. Minority groups also have occupations that ignore these guidelines, such as meat processing plants.

All of which is obvious. Scientific papers have to be short and to the point, and don\'t waste time labouring the obvious.

> https://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-health/science-and-disease/superspreader-events-may-responsible-80-percent-coronavirus/

Yesterday\'s issue PNAS had a paper on that

https://www.pnas.org/content/pnas/early/2020/08/19/2011802117.full.pdf

including the point that 2% of infectees in Georgia, USA were responsible for 20% of the total infections. Even on the 18th May 2020, the UK Daily Telegraph was rather late in making the point.

> Lower educational levels inevitably mean that these groups are less likely to listen to and accept health safety guidelines. This is well-known for broadly communicated unhealthy activities such as smoking.

It\'s not just lower educational levels. Having less money means having fewer options in all sorts of areas. They may hear and accept health safety advice, but frequently they aren\'t in a position to act on it.

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Bill Sloman, Sydney
 
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Bill Sloman

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On Thursday, September 10, 2020 at 11:12:42 AM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
On Wednesday, September 9, 2020 at 3:48:09 PM UTC-7, John Larkin wrote:
On Wed, 9 Sep 2020 12:25:12 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:

On Wednesday, September 9, 2020 at 3:11:28 PM UTC-4, John Robertson wrote:
On 2020/09/09 8:33 a.m., Fred Bloggs wrote:
On Tuesday, September 8, 2020 at 9:04:34 PM UTC-4, Bill Sloman wrote:
From today\'s Proceedings of the (US) National Academy of Science.

https://www.pnas.org/content/pnas/early/2020/08/20/2014750117.full.pdf

The paper comes from a single author at the University of Minnesota.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

That\'s easily fixed by making white people die younger.

But in the US white people do die younger than in most developed
countries...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_life_expectancy

Oddly enough these same countries, where people live longer than the US,
pretty much all have some sort of universal health care - Nah, there
can\'t be a connection!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_with_universal_health_care

Where is anything broken out by race in those ridiculous links?

There are a bunch of U.S. statistics that make the country look bad UNTIL you correct for the troublesome demographics- after which the country shines. The troublesome demographics don\'t have to be purely racial, they\'re mostly based on poverty.

\"Asians\" have the highest life expectancy of any group in the USA,
86.3, which is interestingly better than Japan (84.5) or Hong Kong
(84.7) or indeed any of the countries in the link above. In
California, Asian LE is 87.7.

\"Hispanics\" are second highest.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_and_health_in_the_United_States#Life_expectancy

This means that being a racial minority in the US is not, by itself, connected to shorter lifespans.
Being poor is. The US lacks universal health care, and it\'s social security system is cheap and nasty. Health gradients against wealth and social class are steeper than they are in more cilivised countries, and even the people at the top of the heap don\'t live as long as their equivalents in better run countries.

The US has remarkably high income inequality for an advanced industrial country, and this correlates strongly with bad outcomes.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Spirit_Level_(book)

compares the US with other advanced industrial countries, and the individual states of the US on the same basis. It\'s interesting and depressing.

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Bill Sloman, Sydney
 
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whit3rd

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On Wednesday, September 9, 2020 at 12:44:50 PM UTC-7, Flyguy wrote:

> PNAS is a far-left organization not known for its impartiality.

False. Nonsense, really. Science accepts the convention of right-handed coordinates, but
is not \'right\' or \'left\' in any sense. PNAS is known, but not described in any such terms.

> If you REALLY want to know what is killing black males, just go to the CDC who is mandated ...

Oh, political toadies to the current administration have control of your perception of reality?
Look at the power structure, and readjust your BS filters, If you care about \'to know\' issues.
 
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bitrex

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On 9/9/2020 9:33 PM, Bill Sloman wrote:
On Thursday, September 10, 2020 at 7:43:41 AM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
On Wednesday, September 9, 2020 at 2:01:15 PM UTC-7, John S wrote:
On 9/8/2020 8:04 PM, Bill Sloman wrote:
From today\'s Proceedings of the (US) National Academy of Science.

https://www.pnas.org/content/pnas/early/2020/08/20/2014750117.full.pdf

The paper comes from a single author at the University of Minnesota.


What do you propose to do about it?
The best options are:
1. Make their communities secure to live in (reducing homicides would have a material impact on Black lifespans).

Making drug-dealing a less profitable career choice in those communities would be a long step towards this.
The inner-city I\'m familiar with (Providence, RI) about 35% Hispanic and
20% black is one of the most commercial-oriented environments I\'ve ever
seen. There are shops and bodegas and food trucks and restaurants and
bars and nightclubs and markets and stuff squeezed in everywhere there\'s
some free space. If there\'s no room people set up shop on the street
selling clothes and DVDs and makeup and such on Sundays for a while
until the law gets word someone\'s street-vending without a license and
the stuff gets pulled back inside.

Yeah you can get drugs and guns there, along with just about everything
else under the sun. Crime is in steady decline anyway.

Providence RI, 45% white, murder rate:

<https://www.macrotrends.net/cities/us/ri/providence/murder-homicide-rate-statistics#:~:text=The%20Providence%20RI%20murder%2Fhomicide,a%2019.53%25%20increase%20from%202016.>

Tulsa OK, 65% white, murder rate:

<https://www.macrotrends.net/cities/us/ok/tulsa/murder-homicide-rate-statistics#:~:text=The%20Tulsa%20OK%20murder%2Fhomicide%20rate%20for%202017%20was%2017.29,a%2019.03%25%20increase%20from%202014.>


Whether \"their communities\" are secure or not depends entirely on where
you are.


2. Improve the schools in these communities (not hard to do because they are SO terrible).

But the US system of school districts means that the extra money to pay for the better education would have come out of that community. It\'s a terrible way to fund primary and secondary education, and goes back to the fact that the founding tax evaders had formed their ideas about what was economically feasible before the agricultural revolution - one of the early presidents cited universal education as one of the extravagances that a democratic society might go in for, but couldn\'t afford.
Public schools in West Virginia and Kentucky ain\'t much to write home
about, either.
 
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Flyguy

Guest
On Wednesday, September 9, 2020 at 8:30:31 PM UTC-7, whit3rd wrote:
On Wednesday, September 9, 2020 at 12:44:50 PM UTC-7, Flyguy wrote:

PNAS is a far-left organization not known for its impartiality.

False. Nonsense, really. Science accepts the convention of right-handed coordinates, but
is not \'right\' or \'left\' in any sense. PNAS is known, but not described in any such terms.

If you REALLY want to know what is killing black males, just go to the CDC who is mandated ...

Oh, political toadies to the current administration have control of your perception of reality?
Look at the power structure, and readjust your BS filters, If you care about \'to know\' issues.
LOL! You defend Lefty PNAS, but call the very well respected CDC \"toadies!\" Your BIASES are showing!! That is why there is no reasoning with LIBTARDS such as yourself!!!
 
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Bill Sloman

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On Friday, September 11, 2020 at 12:18:57 PM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
On Wednesday, September 9, 2020 at 8:30:31 PM UTC-7, whit3rd wrote:
On Wednesday, September 9, 2020 at 12:44:50 PM UTC-7, Flyguy wrote:

PNAS is a far-left organization not known for its impartiality.

False. Nonsense, really. Science accepts the convention of right-handed coordinates, but
is not \'right\' or \'left\' in any sense. PNAS is known, but not described in any such terms.

If you REALLY want to know what is killing black males, just go to the CDC who is mandated ...

Oh, political toadies to the current administration have control of your perception of reality?
Look at the power structure, and readjust your BS filters, If you care about \'to know\' issues.

LOL! You defend Lefty PNAS,
The US National Academy of science isn\'t remotely \"lefty\". It isn\'t a rabidly right-wing as Flyguy would like it to be so it may look left-wing to him..

> but call the very well respected CDC \"toadies!\"

Whit3rd didn\'t say anything about the Centre for Disease Control, which isn\'t part of the current administration - it been around for a lot longer than that - although it is having to cope with the vagaries of the current administration. The toadies involved work directly for Trump, and if they don\'t toady hard enough he fires them. This happens frequently.

> Your BIASES are showing!! That is why there is no reasoning with LIBTARDS such as yourself!!!

The unreasonableness here is all yours. You can\'t do reasoning, and what you seem to imagine to be \"reasoned arguments\" are in fact merely vain and tedious repetition.

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Bill Sloman, Sydney
 
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bitrex

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On 9/11/2020 2:12 AM, Bill Sloman wrote:
On Friday, September 11, 2020 at 12:15:46 PM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
On Wednesday, September 9, 2020 at 6:33:59 PM UTC-7, Bill Sloman wrote:
On Thursday, September 10, 2020 at 7:43:41 AM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
On Wednesday, September 9, 2020 at 2:01:15 PM UTC-7, John S wrote:
On 9/8/2020 8:04 PM, Bill Sloman wrote:
From today\'s Proceedings of the (US) National Academy of Science.

https://www.pnas.org/content/pnas/early/2020/08/20/2014750117.full.pdf

The paper comes from a single author at the University of Minnesota.


What do you propose to do about it?
The best options are:
1. Make their communities secure to live in (reducing homicides would have a material impact on Black lifespans).

Making drug-dealing a less profitable career choice in those communities would be a long step towards this.

You may not be aware, being SO FAR AWAY, but these troubled communities are actually making law enforcement MORE DIFFICULT.

Of course they are. If some of the members of these communities are making money from illegal activities, they do discourage their neighbours from cooperating with the police.

2. Improve the schools in these communities (not hard to do because they are SO terrible).

But the US system of school districts means that the extra money to pay for the better education would have come out of that community. It\'s a terrible way to fund primary and secondary education, and goes back to the fact that the founding tax evaders had formed their ideas about what was economically feasible before the agricultural revolution - one of the early presidents cited universal education as one of the extravagances that a democratic society might go in for, but couldn\'t afford.

You may not be aware, being SO FAR AWAY, but schools in the US are funded by a combination of local, state, and federal funding.

But the control - and most of the funding - is local. Dubbya did try to inject some federal funding with his \"no child left behind\" initiative, but he got distracted from that by 9/11 and invading Irak.

https://www.governing.com/gov-data/education-data/state-education-spending-per-pupil-data.html
Public school quality is pretty much proportional to local funding, the
right-wing agenda has been to cut funding for education for 40 years.
Which makes the about-face on sending kids back to school and the
\"importance of education\" of late all the more sadly amusing yet
predictable, just self-serving behavior all the time. What wouldn\'t a
wingnut decide was \"important\" today if there\'s something in it for him?

In any case, de-funding the leftist university system makes a good
talking-point to rubes who think anyplace but like Yale, Stanford, and
Johns Hopkins are getting hundreds of millions of Fed dollars, the big
cuts have already been made everywhere else by everyone else in the past
40 years who used the same talking-point.
 
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Bill Sloman

Guest
On Wednesday, September 16, 2020 at 12:44:51 PM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
On Saturday, September 12, 2020 at 10:06:18 PM UTC-7, Bill Sloman wrote:
On Sunday, September 13, 2020 at 12:50:55 PM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
On Thursday, September 10, 2020 at 11:12:31 PM UTC-7, Bill Sloman wrote:
On Friday, September 11, 2020 at 12:15:46 PM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
On Wednesday, September 9, 2020 at 6:33:59 PM UTC-7, Bill Sloman wrote:
On Thursday, September 10, 2020 at 7:43:41 AM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
On Wednesday, September 9, 2020 at 2:01:15 PM UTC-7, John S wrote:
On 9/8/2020 8:04 PM, Bill Sloman wrote:
<snip>

Translation: George Washington Carver is an exceptional role model.
Flyguy doesn\'t do English comprehension. George Washington Carver wasn\'t any kind of role model for me. He did know what he was talking about, which Flyguy can\'t manage, so he isn\'t a model that Flyguy has managed to emulate in any area where it matters.

Apparently, NOBODY was a role-model to you.
I can\'t remember ever sitting down and wondering what somebody else would have done in my situation - it doesn\'t strike me as something worth doing.

> What we have out of SL0W MAN is a series of BULLSHIT responses that detracts from my original post on how to improve the lives of Blacks in the USA. He has ZERO ideas to present, just childish rants about absolutely NOTHING!

You didn\'t start this thread - I did. There was nothing original in your contribution when you did decide to horn in, and the stupid right-wing ideas that you posted don\'t seem to have been all that effective in improving the lot of coloured people in the US - which was roughly what the PNAS paper I linked to was all about.

You don\'t seem to have the capacity to realise that you aren\'t saying anything useful, and get remarkably upset when this pointed out. If I keep on irritating you for long enough you may blow an artery, which is about the only thing that is likely to change your behaviour. Rational argument is clearly ineffective. And don\'t bother claiming that you could recognise rational argument - you\'ve failed to do so far too often for that to be remotely plausible.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney
 
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