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John Doe

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There up now. If there was in fact an outage, apparently it was short
enough.
 
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Wond

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On Sun, 13 Sep 2020 02:57:05 +0000, John Doe wrote:

> Wierd. Wonder for how long. Maybe the fires?

Idle curiosity: Is that a misspelling of \'weird\' or \'wired\'?
 
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John Doe

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Wond <lost@the.ether.net> wrote:

John Doe wrote:

Wierd. Wonder for how long. Maybe the fires?

Idle curiosity: Is that a misspelling of \'weird\' or \'wired\'?
It is as it is properly pronounced.
 
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Rob

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Wond <lost@the.ether.net> wrote:
On Sun, 13 Sep 2020 02:57:05 +0000, John Doe wrote:

Wierd. Wonder for how long. Maybe the fires?

Idle curiosity: Is that a misspelling of \'weird\' or \'wired\'?
In the Netherlands we have a journalist named Wierd Duk.
He worked as a foreign correspondent for some time. I wonder how that was.
 
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Jasen Betts

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On 2020-09-14, John Doe <always.look@message.header> wrote:
Wond <lost@the.ether.net> wrote:

John Doe wrote:

Wierd. Wonder for how long. Maybe the fires?

Idle curiosity: Is that a misspelling of \'weird\' or \'wired\'?

It is as it is properly pronounced.
So wie-rd or wi-erd depending on the reader\'s preference?

--
Jasen.
 
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Corvid

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On 09/14/2020 01:21 PM, Jasen Betts wrote:
On 2020-09-14, John Doe <always.look@message.header> wrote:
Wond <lost@the.ether.net> wrote:

John Doe wrote:

Wierd. Wonder for how long. Maybe the fires?

Idle curiosity: Is that a misspelling of \'weird\' or \'wired\'?

It is as it is properly pronounced.

So wie-rd or wi-erd depending on the reader\'s preference?
Yesterday he managed to spell it:
OT: Gigabyte motherboard drivers, WEIRD
http://al.howardknight.net/?ID=160014123100


He also needed to bawl about Amazon there:
OT: Amazon not responding
http://al.howardknight.net/?ID=160014167400
 
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John Doe

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What English word is spelled \"ierd\" and pronounced \"ired\"?

If you let \"two vowels go walking\", where does the second syllable
for your silly pronunciation come from?

The proper pronunciation of \"wierd\" is the same as \"weird\".
That\'s how it is. That\'s a fact.

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On 2020-09-14, John Doe <always.look@message.header> wrote:
Wond <lost@the.ether.net> wrote:

John Doe wrote:

Wierd. Wonder for how long. Maybe the fires?

Idle curiosity: Is that a misspelling of \'weird\' or \'wired\'?

It is as it is properly pronounced.

So wie-rd or wi-erd depending on the reader\'s preference?

--
Jasen.
 
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John Doe

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One sick puppy...

see also...
=?UTF-8?B?8J+QriBDb3dzIGFyZSBOaWNlIPCfkK4=?= <nice@cows.moo>
Banders <snap@mailchute.com>
Corvid <bl@ckbirds.org>
Cows Are Nice <cows@nice.moo>
Cows are nice <moo@cows.org>
Cows are Nice <nice@cows.moo>
dogs <dogs@home.com>
Great Pumpkin <pumpkin@patch.net>
Jose Curvo <jcurvo@mymail.com>
Local Favorite <how2recycle@palomar.info>
Sea <freshness@coast.org>
Standard Poodle <standard@poodle.com>
and others...

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On 09/14/2020 01:21 PM, Jasen Betts wrote:
On 2020-09-14, John Doe <always.look@message.header> wrote:
Wond <lost@the.ether.net> wrote:

John Doe wrote:

Wierd. Wonder for how long. Maybe the fires?

Idle curiosity: Is that a misspelling of \'weird\' or \'wired\'?

It is as it is properly pronounced.

So wie-rd or wi-erd depending on the reader\'s preference?

Yesterday he managed to spell it:
OT: Gigabyte motherboard drivers, WEIRD
http://al.howardknight.net/?ID=160014123100


He also needed to bawl about Amazon there:
OT: Amazon not responding
http://al.howardknight.net/?ID=160014167400
 
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Jasen Betts

Guest
On 2020-09-15, John Doe <always.look@message.header> wrote:

why are you using my post as sig, and what\'s with the stupid
cross-posting?

What English word is spelled \"ierd\" and pronounced \"ired\"?

If you let \"two vowels go walking\"
it doesn\'t work \"dickhEAd\"

if you mangle context you get no useful answer.

--
Jasen.
 
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John Doe

Guest
An idiotic troll...

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On 2020-09-15, John Doe <always.look@message.header> wrote:

why are you using my post as sig, and what\'s with the stupid
cross-posting?

What English word is spelled \"ierd\" and pronounced \"ired\"?

If you let \"two vowels go walking\"

it doesn\'t work \"dickhEAd\"

if you mangle context you get no useful answer.

--
Jasen.
 
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John Doe

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The misspelling \"wierd\" (pronounced the same as \"weird\") is the same
pronunciation as in two TIERS of justice, or two TIERS of intelligence,
and lots of other such words. That\'s in fact how it\'s pronounced
according to English pronunciation rules.
 
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Gerhard Hoffmann

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Am 15.09.20 um 15:45 schrieb John Doe:
The misspelling \"wierd\" (pronounced the same as \"weird\") is the same
pronunciation as in two TIERS of justice, or two TIERS of intelligence,
and lots of other such words. That\'s in fact how it\'s pronounced
according to English pronunciation rules.
ENGLISH IS TOUGH STUFF

Dearest creature in creation,
Study English pronunciation.
I will teach you in my verse
Sounds like corpse, corps, horse, and worse.
I will keep you, Suzy, busy,
Make your head with heat grow dizzy.
Tear in eye, your dress will tear.
So shall I! Oh hear my prayer.

Just compare heart, beard, and heard,
Dies and diet, lord and word,
Sword and sward, retain and Britain.
(Mind the latter, how it\'s written.)
Now I surely will not plague you
With such words as plaque and ague.
But be careful how you speak:
Say break and steak, but bleak and streak;
Cloven, oven, how and low,
Script, receipt, show, poem, and toe.

Hear me say, devoid of trickery,
Daughter, laughter, and Terpsichore,
Typhoid, measles, topsails, aisles,
Exiles, similes, and reviles;
Scholar, vicar, and cigar,
Solar, mica, war and far;
One, anemone, Balmoral,
Kitchen, lichen, laundry, laurel;
Gertrude, German, wind and mind,
Scene, Melpomene, mankind.

Billet does not rhyme with ballet,
Bouquet, wallet, mallet, chalet.
Blood and flood are not like food,
Nor is mould like should and would.
Viscous, viscount, load and broad,
Toward, to forward, to reward.
And your pronunciation\'s OK
When you correctly say croquet,
Rounded, wounded, grieve and sieve,
Friend and fiend, alive and live.

Ivy, privy, famous; clamour
And enamour rhyme with hammer.
River, rival, tomb, bomb, comb,
Doll and roll and some and home.
Stranger does not rhyme with anger,
Neither does devour with clangour.
Souls but foul, haunt but aunt,
Font, front, wont, want, grand, and grant,
Shoes, goes, does. Now first say finger,
And then singer, ginger, linger,
Real, zeal, mauve, gauze, gouge and gauge,
Marriage, foliage, mirage, and age.

Query does not rhyme with very,
Nor does fury sound like bury.
Dost, lost, post and doth, cloth, loth.
Job, nob, bosom, transom, oath.
Though the differences seem little,
We say actual but victual.
Refer does not rhyme with deafer.
Foeffer does, and zephyr, heifer.
Mint, pint, senate and sedate;
Dull, bull, and George ate late.
Scenic, Arabic, Pacific,
Science, conscience, scientific.

Liberty, library, heave and heaven,
Rachel, ache, moustache, eleven.
We say hallowed, but allowed,
People, leopard, towed, but vowed.
Mark the differences, moreover,
Between mover, cover, clover;
Leeches, breeches, wise, precise,
Chalice, but police and lice;
Camel, constable, unstable,
Principle, disciple, label.

Petal, panel, and canal,
Wait, surprise, plait, promise, pal.
Worm and storm, chaise, chaos, chair,
Senator, spectator, mayor.
Tour, but our and succour, four.
Gas, alas, and Arkansas.
Sea, idea, Korea, area,
Psalm, Maria, but malaria.
Youth, south, southern, cleanse and clean.
Doctrine, turpentine, marine.

Compare alien with Italian,
Dandelion and battalion.
Sally with ally, yea, ye,
Eye, I, ay, aye, whey, and key.
Say aver, but ever, fever,
Neither, leisure, skein, deceiver.
Heron, granary, canary.
Crevice and device and aerie.

Face, but preface, not efface.
Phlegm, phlegmatic, ass, glass, bass.
Large, but target, gin, give, verging,
Ought, out, joust and scour, scourging.
Ear, but earn and wear and tear
Do not rhyme with here but ere.
Seven is right, but so is even,
Hyphen, roughen, nephew Stephen,
Monkey, donkey, Turk and jerk,
Ask, grasp, wasp, and cork and work.

Pronunciation -- think of Psyche!
Is a paling stout and spikey?
Won\'t it make you lose your wits,
Writing groats and saying grits?
It\'s a dark abyss or tunnel:
Strewn with stones, stowed, solace, gunwale,
Islington and Isle of Wight,
Housewife, verdict and indict.

Finally, which rhymes with enough --
Though, through, plough, or dough, or cough?
Hiccough has the sound of cup.
My advice is to give up!!!

-- G. B. Shaw

(was in de.sci.electronics half a year ago, IIRC.)

Cheers, Gerhard
 
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Bill Sloman

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On Tuesday, September 15, 2020 at 11:45:40 PM UTC+10, John Doe wrote:
The misspelling \"wierd\" (pronounced the same as \"weird\") is the same
pronunciation as in two TIERS of justice, or two TIERS of intelligence,
and lots of other such words. That\'s in fact how it\'s pronounced
according to English pronunciation rules.
There are a least six different sets of English pronunciation rules, and anybody who pontificates about English spelling needs to be aware that it is pretty much arbitrary and unpredictable.

Pointing at particular words that seem to follow the same rules ignores the fact that you have to know which set of rules happen to apply to words being discussed, which means consulting an etymological dictionary.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Etymological_dictionary

Quite often the derivation of a particular word will be uncertain.

https://www.etymonline.com/word/weird

happens to be of Germanic in origin, like most English words. The first example in modern English happens to have been spelt \"wierd\", back around 1400 when English spelling was pretty erratic.

\"tier\" comes middle French.

https://www.etymonline.com/search?q=tier

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney
 
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John Doe

Guest
Gerhard Hoffmann wrote:

John Doe:

The misspelling \"wierd\" (pronounced the same as \"weird\") is the
same pronunciation as in two TIERS of justice, or two TIERS of
intelligence, and lots of other such words. That\'s in fact how
it\'s pronounced according to English pronunciation rules.

ENGLISH IS TOUGH STUFF
Some people try to make it that way.

There are easy to follow English rules. Proper English is a concise
language. It\'s the standard international language and it\'s the language
used most for high-tech.

English is on everybody\'s clothing, even on people who don\'t speak
English :D

If you want to practice standard English, use Dragon NaturallySpeaking
(like I have for over 20 years) or Google\'s perhaps not as intelligent,
but powerful, server-based speech recognition. You can also use a text-
to-speech program. Whether it\'s the best standard who knows, but it is a
CLEAR standard with hard and fast rules.

I get a kick out of listening to my text to speech program pronounce all
sorts of weird words. I love not having to mess with it.
 
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Mike Coon

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In article <88173994-7de7-43f5-bec7-f1b2e8700fcbn@googlegroups.com>,
bill.sloman@ieee.org says...
On Tuesday, September 15, 2020 at 11:45:40 PM UTC+10, John Doe wrote:
The misspelling \"wierd\" (pronounced the same as \"weird\") is the same
pronunciation as in two TIERS of justice, or two TIERS of intelligence,
and lots of other such words. That\'s in fact how it\'s pronounced
according to English pronunciation rules.

There are a least six different sets of English pronunciation rules, and anybody who pontificates about English spelling needs to be aware that it is pretty much arbitrary and unpredictable.

Pointing at particular words that seem to follow the same rules ignores the fact that you have to know which set of rules happen to apply to words being discussed, which means consulting an etymological dictionary.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Etymological_dictionary

Quite often the derivation of a particular word will be uncertain.

https://www.etymonline.com/word/weird

happens to be of Germanic in origin, like most English words. The first example in modern English happens to have been spelt \"wierd\", back around 1400 when English spelling was pretty erratic.

\"tier\" comes middle French.

https://www.etymonline.com/search?q=tier
I\'m a little saddened by the way the UK media is increasingly preferring
what I think of as the northern pronunciation of \"either\" as eether
rather than my accustomed eyether...
 
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John Doe

Guest
Lots of words with the same pronunciation \"ear\" or \"we\'re\" as in
\"weird\" but spelled \"ie\". Here\'s a few...

bier, fierce, pier, pierce, tier, tierce, financier, brigadier,
grenadier, cashier, cavalier, chandelier, chevalier, gondolier,
vernier, croupier, cuirassier, frontier, brevier

The correct spelling of \"wierd\" is weird.



I wrote:

The misspelling \"wierd\" (pronounced the same as \"weird\") is the
same pronunciation as in two TIERS of justice, or two TIERS of
intelligence, and lots of other such words. That\'s in fact how
it\'s pronounced according to English pronunciation rules.
 
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Jasen Betts

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Jasen Betts wrote:

why are you using my post as sig, and what\'s with the stupid
cross-posting?
On 2020-09-15, John Doe <always.look@message.header> wrote in response:

> An idiotic troll...

Noone is surprised.

--
Jasen.
 
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John Doe

Guest
Please stop drinking and posting...

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Jasen Betts wrote:

why are you using my post as sig, and what\'s with the stupid
cross-posting?

On 2020-09-15, John Doe <always.look@message.header> wrote in response:

An idiotic troll...

Noone is surprised.

--
Jasen.
 
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Corvid

Guest
On 09/16/2020 10:52 AM, John Doe wrote:
Lots of words with the same pronunciation \"ear\" or \"we\'re\" as in
\"weird\" but spelled \"ie\". Here\'s a few...

bier, fierce, pier, pierce, tier, tierce, financier, brigadier,
grenadier, cashier, cavalier, chandelier, chevalier, gondolier,
vernier, croupier, cuirassier, frontier, brevier
fiery

The correct spelling of \"wierd\" is weird.
Real sharp, now you\'re telling yourself.

I wrote:

The misspelling \"wierd\" (pronounced the same as \"weird\")
No, dopey, your fake word could as well be pronounced wired. Because the
\"ie\" in lots of words has the same pronunciation as in fiery.

is the
same pronunciation as in two TIERS of justice, or two TIERS of
intelligence, and lots of other such words. That\'s in fact how
it\'s pronounced according to English pronunciation rules.
Just remember how to spell it and you won\'t have to make up silly
arguments about pronunciation rules for your misspelled words.
 
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