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On Thursday, January 13, 2022 at 11:15:25 PM UTC-8, Flyguy wrote:
On Friday, January 7, 2022 at 9:39:40 PM UTC-8, Beeper wrote:
On 1/7/22 10:25 AM, John Larkin wrote:

10x over budget and 20 years late.

How so? Please provide citation to a credible source supporting
your claims that documents the original projected budget and
expected delivery/launch date.

Yes, that is a lie. Actually it was 20x over budget and 22 years

Not true.

\"Development began in 1996 for a launch that was initially
planned for 2007 with a US$500 million budget.[21] There were
many delays and cost overruns, including a major redesign in

It\'s not the same project that was discussed in the initial plan.
That\'s what \'major redesign\' means.

So, finished in 2021 instead of 2007: that\'s not \'22 years late\',
at all. 2021 - 2007 = 14 years

It also was never planned to launch the Webb in 2007; the space
telescope design was under review until 2010, and only then did
they know what to build and test. The 1996 project schedule
wasn\'t the guide for this work.

Readiness to launch after build-and-test was about a year over
first scheduled.

Spot on for you as usual.

Rick C

On Saturday, January 15, 2022 at 12:14:56 AM UTC-5, wrote:
Rick C <> wrote in
On Thursday, January 13, 2022 at 6:08:22 PM UTC-5, corvid wrote:
On 1/13/22 14:16, Clifford Heath wrote:
On 13/1/22 8:02 pm, Martin Brown wrote:
Most people imagine that prior to the Big Bang there was space
with nothing in it (not helped by popular science programmes
showing an explosion) as opposed to nothing at all - ie no

\"prior to the Big Bang\" - if there was no time, how can the
word \"prior\" even be well-defined?

The Big Bang didn\'t occur earlier, or later, than it did, so
there had to be time already in place.

No, there is no basis for assuming that time existed before the
origin point.
If there was a \'singularity\' \'point\' That instantaneously
\'exploded\' into our universe bubble and then matter formed in it and
so on, what chain of events occurred that caused the point to decide
to burst open to start with? Even if after that point that one could
say time started. What happened a split second prior to it bursting?
Was there a causation effect or stimulus from an even larger already
existing universe in which we were all expanded into? Like a bubble
inside or suspended in a bigger medium.

If there is an end out there, what is on the other side of that
\'end\' barrier? Maybe the whole universe is a giant congealed ball of
jello and OUR little tiny Universe bubble is a spec inside it is like
a little air bubble in a big ball full of them, all frozen in their
places never to know about any other. Barely able to examine their
own bubble, which to them is practically infinitely vast and all
there is. And we are merely tiny dust particles amid that bubble
which were allowed to sit up and talk, and make mudballs and look at
the sky at night and contemplate the cosmos and the number 42. We
are so insignificant in any scheme of things. God looked upon our
mudballs and looking tubes, and said that we were a noble
experiment... that failed.

More category mistakes. Personally I think there are many questions that science is ill equipped to answer and in fact are simply invalid questions for science. The existence of God is one of those issues. Different domains, so scientific questions do not apply. What existed before the universe is another category error which some people can\'t understand *is* an error because they continue to think too linearly. Who says the universe or time has to be infinite in all directions. It literally makes no sense scientifically to think about the universe or anything we know prior to the universe existing. Where the universe came from, what existed prior to the universe existing is not a scientific question and science is not equipped to help us understand these questions, much less the answers.

Here is an analogy. A friend has macular degeneration with large areas of no vision. When you ask what he sees, he doesn\'t see \"black\" or anything else. It\'s just a region of which he is not aware where objects simply vanish from his view. It\'s like an object that moves behind your head. You don\'t sense \"blackness\" behind your field of view. It simply is not for you to see. My friend has this in the middle of his field of view. No hole, no black spot, things just disappear without any indication of there being a hole. Asking what he sees in that area is a category mistake.


Rick C.

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Rick C <> wrote in news:149eddfb-ffa0-

> More category mistakes.

Yes. As in you are not in the category folks agree to refer to as

Goddamn. Get off it, boy.

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