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https://www.ti.com/lit/gpn/OPA855



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John Larkin Highland Technology, Inc

The best designs are necessarily accidental.
 
jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

https://www.ti.com/lit/gpn/OPA855

Not bad. $6.62 at Digi-Key, QTY 1:

https://octopart.com/search?q=OPA855&currency=USD&specs=0



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On Thursday, December 10, 2020 at 5:19:12 PM UTC+11, Steve Wilson wrote:
jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:


https://www.ti.com/lit/gpn/OPA855

Not bad. $6.62 at Digi-Key, QTY 1:

https://octopart.com/search?q=OPA855&currency=USD&specs=0



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Science teaches us to trust. - sw

The OPA858 is also quite nice.
FET input is quite handy when I don\'t want to worry about input bias currents.
 
On Thu, 10 Dec 2020 04:50:02 -0800 (PST), Dominic Chan
<dominiczchan@gmail.com> wrote:

On Thursday, December 10, 2020 at 5:19:12 PM UTC+11, Steve Wilson wrote:
jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:


https://www.ti.com/lit/gpn/OPA855

Not bad. $6.62 at Digi-Key, QTY 1:

https://octopart.com/search?q=OPA855&currency=USD&specs=0



--
Science teaches us to trust. - sw

The OPA858 is also quite nice.
FET input is quite handy when I don\'t want to worry about input bias currents.

Yes, it\'s a very similar part. Less current noise, more voltage noise.



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John Larkin Highland Technology, Inc

The best designs are necessarily accidental.
 
> Yes, it\'s a very similar part. Less current noise, more voltage noise.
It only has less current noise below ~40MHz. Non constant over frequency current noise density of FETs was quite a surprise (disappointment?) when I first used the OPA858. There is no free lunch.
 
Dominic Chan <dominiczchan@gmail.com> wrote:

Yes, it\'s a very similar part. Less current noise, more voltage
noise.

It only has less current noise below ~40MHz. Non constant over
frequency current noise density of FETs was quite a surprise
(disappointment?) when I first used the OPA858. There is no free
lunch.

Did you measure it?

Datasheets:

858 Figure 11. Voltage Noise Density vs Frequency
855 Figure 11. Voltage and Current Noise Density vs Frequency

The 858 doesn\'t even spec current noise.

The 855 voltage noise levels out around 100KHz. The current noise settles
around 2MHz.

Every device I know of has rising noise below some corner frequency that
depends on each device. Why are you surprised?



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Science teaches us to trust. - sw
 
Should have clarified I meant constant density above the 1/f corner freq.

Have a look at fig 53. in the OPA858 datasheet. The current noise density increases with increasing frequency.
 
On 12/10/20 10:01 PM, Dominic Chan wrote:
Should have clarified I meant constant density above the 1/f corner freq.

Have a look at fig 53. in the OPA858 datasheet. The current noise density increases with increasing frequency.

That\'s standard with FETs--the drain circuit current noise couples back
via C_DG.

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

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Dr Philip C D Hobbs
Principal Consultant
ElectroOptical Innovations LLC / Hobbs ElectroOptics
Optics, Electro-optics, Photonics, Analog Electronics
Briarcliff Manor NY 10510

http://electrooptical.net
http://hobbs-eo.com
 
Dominic Chan <dominiczchan@gmail.com> wrote:

Should have clarified I meant constant density above the 1/f corner
freq.

Have a look at fig 53. in the OPA858 datasheet. The current noise
density increases with increasing frequency.

Perhaps driving the device from a low impedance will help cure the
problem. After all, it is going to be hard to maintain a high impedance
at 100MHz.

In fact, Figure 43. Noninverting Configuration and Figure 44. Inverting
Configuration (Gain = –7 V/V) on page 15, both show the device driven
from a low impedance around 50 Ohms.

In Figure 56. Transimpedance Amplifier Circuit on page 20 shows
capacitances from various sources at the imput of the op amp. This will
reduce the bandwidth to well below 100MHz.

The OPA855 is advertised as a transimpedance amplifier. They state:

When the device is configured as a transimpedance
amplifier (TIA), the 8-GHz gain bandwidth product
(GBWP) enables high closed-loop bandwidths at
transimpedance gains of up to tens of kOhms.

So I guess I\'d forget about the OPA858 and go with the OPA855.


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The best designs occur in the theta state.
 
On Friday, December 11, 2020 at 5:30:02 PM UTC+11, Steve Wilson wrote:
Dominic Chan <domini...@gmail.com> wrote:

Should have clarified I meant constant density above the 1/f corner
freq.

Have a look at fig 53. in the OPA858 datasheet. The current noise
density increases with increasing frequency.
Perhaps driving the device from a low impedance will help cure the
problem. After all, it is going to be hard to maintain a high impedance
at 100MHz.

In fact, Figure 43. Noninverting Configuration and Figure 44. Inverting
Configuration (Gain = –7 V/V) on page 15, both show the device driven
from a low impedance around 50 Ohms.

In Figure 56. Transimpedance Amplifier Circuit on page 20 shows
capacitances from various sources at the imput of the op amp. This will
reduce the bandwidth to well below 100MHz.

The OPA855 is advertised as a transimpedance amplifier. They state:

When the device is configured as a transimpedance
amplifier (TIA), the 8-GHz gain bandwidth product
(GBWP) enables high closed-loop bandwidths at
transimpedance gains of up to tens of kOhms.

So I guess I\'d forget about the OPA858 and go with the OPA855.


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The best designs occur in the theta state.
Yes, I would not generally use the OPA858 if noise performance is the priority. It is still handy as a high bandwidth second stage amplifier after a low noise front end that has reasonable output impedance.
 
On Friday, December 11, 2020 at 2:48:24 PM UTC+11, Phil Hobbs wrote:
On 12/10/20 10:01 PM, Dominic Chan wrote:
Should have clarified I meant constant density above the 1/f corner freq.

Have a look at fig 53. in the OPA858 datasheet. The current noise density increases with increasing frequency.

That\'s standard with FETs--the drain circuit current noise couples back
via C_DG.

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

--
Dr Philip C D Hobbs
Principal Consultant
ElectroOptical Innovations LLC / Hobbs ElectroOptics
Optics, Electro-optics, Photonics, Analog Electronics
Briarcliff Manor NY 10510

http://electrooptical.net
http://hobbs-eo.com

Yep I thought I had found a way to completely avoid shot noise from base bias currents of BJT\'s by using FETS (or pHEMTS ) but as you say the drain current noise is still a problem.
 

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