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Jeff Urban

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I have a question, of course I cannot compel you to answer it but you definitely won\'t if someone doesn\'t ask.

Where do you get this education ? Don\'t gimme this \"I graduated in 19XX\" shit, you are on top of near cutting edge tech here. None of this shit existed probably the last time you graduated anything.

Is it independent research ? Little courses or seminars from your clients ?

And on communications, damn. You are on a different planet than me. I know what a yagi antenna is but not how it works. I got a technical paper on the phased arrays in cell towers and believe it or not I understand the principle. But you could probably program it, where do you get that knowledge ?
 
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legg

Guest
On Sun, 9 Aug 2020 19:21:25 -0700 (PDT), Jeff Urban
<jurb6006@gmail.com> wrote:

I have a question, of course I cannot compel you to answer it but you definitely won\'t if someone doesn\'t ask.

Where do you get this education ? Don\'t gimme this \"I graduated in 19XX\" shit, you are on top of near cutting edge tech here. None of this shit existed probably the last time you graduated anything.

Is it independent research ? Little courses or seminars from your clients ?

And on communications, damn. You are on a different planet than me. I know what a yagi antenna is but not how it works. I got a technical paper on the phased arrays in cell towers and believe it or not I understand the principle. But you could probably program it, where do you get that knowledge ?
Reading and comprehension x n years.

RL
 
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Jeff Liebermann

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On Sun, 9 Aug 2020 19:21:25 -0700 (PDT), Jeff Urban
<jurb6006@gmail.com> wrote:

> I have a question, of course I cannot compel you to answer it but you definitely won\'t if someone doesn\'t ask.

Well, when you learn to spell my name correctly, I might be a bit less
abrasive.

> Where do you get this education ?

<https://www.linkedin.com/in/jeff-liebermann-151823/>
I used to have my resume on LinkedIn, but now I can\'t find it.
Argh... it looks and smells like Facebook.

Don\'t gimme this \"I graduated in 19XX\" shit, you are on top
of near cutting edge tech here. None of this shit existed
probably the last time you graduated anything.
Actually, I\'m very much behind the times in many areas. I mostly gave
up on working in RF in about 1983. I switched to computer repair,
which I thought was more interesting and less demanding. I continued
to do RF design up to about 2010. However, all the work was doing
damage control on someone else\'s mess, to filling in when someone
bailed out in the middle of a project. As of the end of the month,
I\'ll be retired (I\'m 72) and out of the computer consulting biz. I\'m
shutting down the office, and moving all the junk home. After 30
years, it hurts, especially when I recycled as eWaste a dumpster full
of computers and PCBs. I\'m not sure what I\'ll be doing next month. I
hate to admit it but technology is my life. Somewhere along the line,
I forgot to get married and have deductions.

So, you\'re wondering how I managed to learn all this stuff. Same as
most people. I read, I watch YouTube videos, I try to understand, I
build things, I repair far too many things, I design a few things, and
so on. Learn by Doing was the college motto. It takes a lifetime of
doing to get to where you think I\'m at so don\'t expect instant
enlightenment. I\'ve also taught classes, answered far to many tech
questions on Usenet, gotten involved in virtual companies, and done
some management. In other words, I haven\'t done just one thing that
made me so cutting edge. I tried many things, understood how they
related to each other, failed at some, did well at others, and made
some money doing it.

If want to do the same, I suggest you concentrate on learning how
things work. Once you learn that, you can fix or design anything.
Incidentally, by work, I mean how anything works, including politics,
banking, automobiles, computers, investors, and other things you\'re
likely to encounter.

>Is it independent research ? Little courses or seminars from your clients ?

I\'ve never taken a formal class in anything beyond what I took in
college and teacher preparation. I sometimes attended seminars to
meet the people doing the work, not to hear the talk. I tried to
attend trade shows, user groups meetings, and a few too many parties,
again to meet the people involved, and not so much to learn anything
technical. For tech, it was a mixture of \"Learn by Destroying\",
reading, getting my hands dirty, more reading, etc. Instead of
hearing lectures, I give them. I learn far more by researching a
topic and explaining it to a room full of sharks ready to pounce on
any mistake I might make, than I do from being spoon fed the same
information by a speaker where English is their 3rd language.

>And on communications, damn. You are on a different planet than me.

Hardly. I just have had more time to absorb the subject and work with
it. There are many areas in communications where I\'m severely
lacking. However, I am willing and able to fill in those holes when
needed.

>I know what a yagi antenna is but not how it works.

<https://www.google.com/search?q=how+a+yagi+antenna+works>
Read, think, build, fail, and then ask.

I got a technical
paper on the phased arrays in cell towers and believe it or not I
understand the principle.
Good. Then hang around the RF related newsgroups and forums and try
to ANSWER someone\'s questions about phased arrays and cell tower
antennas. While writing your reply, you\'ll probably discover that
there\'s something lacking in your explanation, which will send you off
to Google to search of the missing parts of the puzzle. When your
explanation is posted, you will likely be attacked by someone who
found a mistake, disagrees with your explanation, or has a better
explanation. You will then worry that your reputation is now ruined,
and that nobody will ever believe anything that you have written or
will write. Fine. Admit your mistake, post a correction, thank the
person who found your mistake, and add something of value to the
discussion. With that, you\'ve redeemed your reputation and probably
learned something you\'ll never forget. Above all, never post or write
anything that you would not consider worth reading.

But you could probably program it, where
do you get that knowledge ?
Well, I certainly didn\'t learn antennas overnight. It does take time.
As for antenna knowledge, I\'ve built a few antennas over the years,
which taught me quite a bit about the characteristics of some
antennas. I\'ve also done some antenna modeling (and reverse
engineering), mostly with 4NEC2:
<http://www.learnbydestroying.com/jeffl/antennas/>

Good luck.

--
Jeff Liebermann jeffl@cruzio.com
150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558
 
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Sjouke Burry

Guest
On 10.08.20 4:21, Jeff Urban wrote:
I have a question, of course I cannot compel you to answer it but you definitely won\'t if someone doesn\'t ask.

Where do you get this education ? Don\'t gimme this \"I graduated in 19XX\" shit, you are on top of near cutting edge tech here. None of this shit existed probably the last time you graduated anything.

Is it independent research ? Little courses or seminars from your clients ?

And on communications, damn. You are on a different planet than me. I know what a yagi antenna is but not how it works. I got a technical paper on the phased arrays in cell towers and believe it or not I understand the principle. But you could probably program it, where do you get that knowledge ?
My education trained me to use my brain.
Taught me how and why science worked.
Taught me how components and electricity worked.
Then working at a research institute kept all that fresh and useful.
And was fun.
 
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Andy Burns

Guest
Jeff Urban wrote:

> Where do you get this education ?

Presumably from destruction?
 
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Jeff Urban

Guest
I guess I forgot the extra \"N\", sorry. i can\'t rememebr everything.

>Actually, I\'m very much behind the times in many areas. I mostly >gave up on working in RF in about 1983. I switched to computer >repair,

You don\'t seem to be behind to me.

As of the end of the month,
I\'ll be retired (I\'m 72) and out of the computer consulting biz.
You might want to get out of California, it is getting bad there. Even if you are a liberal, sanctuaries for criminal invaders ? Shit on the streets of Frisco ? You stay there it is coming to you and personally I think you deserve better.

However, all the work was doing
damage control on someone else\'s mess
There\'s something you don\'t have to explain to me.

>moving all the junk home

Just how big is your house ? I have seen pictures of your shop. With all that, give them notice now that you\'ll be out by April or so.

>So, you\'re wondering how I managed to learn all this stuff. Same >as most people. I read, I watch YouTube videos, I try to >understand, I build things, I repair far too many things, I design >a few things, and

So you are largely an autodidact. [So am I, but it appears you got greater challenges to meet in life and thus went farther.


so on. Learn by Doing was the college motto. It takes a lifetime >of doing to get to where you think I\'m at so don\'t expect instant
enlightenment.
\"Instant\" is the bane of the human race.

>I mean how anything works, including politics

I have become quite the student of politics. Never was before but we are in very interesting times and November is a crossroads. I do not watch the news, I have sources that are better than their sources sources. Some info I get before AP. Some.

>Good. Then hang around the RF related newsgroups and forums and >try to ANSWER someone\'s questions about phased arrays and cell >tower antennas.

I doubt I could ANSWER much. I understand the theory of operation, you take and retune certain antenna elements to produce a directional pattern due to the phase shift. From what I have read they can get within ten feet of you without GPS. The system is designed to conserve power, both theirs and yours. I can only imagine the software that runs that shit.

>You will then worry that your reputation is now ruined

No, in that field I have no reputation to ruin for one. And I have \"Stand corrected\" and retracted when proven wrong. I don\'t mind people tearing me up, I learn more that way.

>Well, I certainly didn\'t learn antennas overnight

I did - just stick a piece of wire on it. It is not like I am totally unfamiliar with RF. In fact if a client shows up and his FM needs alignment and the IF does not use ceramic filters I ask \"Would you like narrow band or wide band ?\". You know what that means but I splain it, narrow band gives you better sensitivity, wide band gives you less distortion. Many will want it like it came new, and usually it is still close, all that needs it is the detector and the front end. And don\'t offset the front end for bandwidth, the Q is already low and it won\'t help anything. Usually it has a smooth rolling off 5MHz bandwidth, just keep the friggin image frequency out, which on US FM occurs at 21.4MHz, right ?

Nobody taught me that, I thunk my way through it.

I meant what I said about getting the fuck out of California. You claim to know politics then you know they are getting more and more radical by the day. At your age you can\'t fight, even having a gun, for some people it is not a good idea if they are too infirm to hold on to it.

California is getting crazy and if I read my Liebermanns right you probably do not want to be a part of that. This protesting, bags of piss and burning down pizza places or whatever, that is a young person\'s game.

Actually, you could come to Ohio. You got money and don\'t say you don\'t. You probably have the first dollar. Low taxes, low property prices, even food is cheaper here.

The government doesn\'t do all that much but I see that as a good thing. Just stay away from me. And you can have guns here, whole cabinets full of them. I got a friend who has a gun safe so big you could fit like 12 bodies in there if you stack them right. Of course the guns would have to come out.... They are not up your ass about everything here except in certain cities, DO NOT go to Independence, Ohio. They make the NAZIs look like George Washington. The cops came because someone had a jet ski in the driveway.

Jack and I went to change a hot water tank for a buddy of ours out there. About to carry it out the the tree lawn he is \"NO NO NO !\". We either took it with us, which we did, or just leave it in the house and he could deal with it later. But if it is on the tree lawn the cops and inspectors come, they want to see a permit, well the guy needed hot water in the morning and your permit office was close, so he should not shower for work ? They don\'t give a shit about the consequences of the laws they make.

In California one area you got fined if your lawn turned brown. You also got fined for watering it. So a company pops up and paints your grass. What\'s more, they tried that shit on the federal government, How about \"Would you like to go back to dirt roads motherfuckers ?\".

You have not expressed much political. Liberals do so I will guess you lean at least slightly conservative. If that is the case you really don\'t belong there.

Perhaps you really like it there so much that you are willing to tolerate the joke they call a government. Or maybe you stuck around because of your clientele.

Enough for now. We will drag this out more later. But I say this, if you are retiring for sure, think about where you want to be.
 
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Jeff Liebermann

Guest
On Mon, 10 Aug 2020 11:29:05 +0100, Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk>
wrote:

Jeff Urban wrote:

Where do you get this education ?

Presumably from destruction?
Mostly true and only if I could fix it after destroying it.

I attended college at Cal Poly, Pomona. The skool motto was \"Learn by
Doing\".
<https://www.cpp.edu/polyadvantage/application-of-knowledge.shtml>
Minimal lectures and maximum labs. I didn\'t just read about what I
was learning. I had to work with it and demonstrate some proficiency.
Not exactly a college for engineers dabbling exclusively in theory. I
probably learned more helping build various Rose Floats than I did
from class work.
<http://www.learnbydestroying.com/jeffl/pics/jeffl/#RoseFloat01.jpg>

The standard joke was to modify the skool motto to \"Learn by
Destroying\". As I blundered my way through various jobs and
businesses, I realized how true that was. One really must tear
something apart, probe around the insides, deduce how it works, and
occasionally find some design mistakes. Only after you have broken
something, and then fixed it, can one truly say they understand how it
works. When it came time to select a suitable domain name,
LearnByDestroying.com was my 2nd choice.

Since then, I\'ve made it a point of tearing things apart and looking
inside. Sometimes, I do that before checking to see if it worked. I
rarely read the instructions as it\'s much more fun to figure things
out for myself. There\'s nothing more frustrating to me than a device
that is designed to discourage inspection and repair. When doing a
design, I often inspect and reverse engineer the competitors products
to see what they had done. Sometimes, I get useful insights. More
recently, I\'m finding disgusting junk, marginal design, and pointless
cost cutting. Whatever I find, I learn from the mistakes of others. I
try not to destroy anything, but sometimes, destructive testing is a
necessary and useful evil on the road to understanding.

Note that this doesn\'t just apply to electronic devices. I use the
same methods in mechanical devices, chemistry, adhesives, lubricants,
household products, automobile repair, and construction. If I know
how it works, I can fix it, build it, and possibly design something
better. If something needs to be destroyed along the bumpy road to
knowledge, that\'s the price I pay.


--
Jeff Liebermann jeffl@cruzio.com
150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558
 
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Jeff Urban

Guest
>Mostly true and only if I could fix it after destroying it.

I think you would like having a look at my bench receiver. Been in a fire and a flood. I got a jew joke but I can word it out of it...

Two guys in Florida are talking, one says \"My business burnt to the ground, I am getting old and the insurance was enough so I decided to just retire\".. \"Almost the same here, I gto flooded out and said screw it, I have enough money\". The first guy says \"How do you start a flood ?\".

Yeah the bench receive, Pioneer SX-850. Has what I need, pre out main in and all that. Preamp section has some sort of leakage on the board or something and I had to throw in some like 100K resistors to get it to work. The power amp burned up one of the bias pots so that is jumped out. The regulator board is broken in four places and jumpered back together. I had to put outputs in it, I used 2SD425 and 2SB555 I think. And there are two pairs per channel in this 65 watts amp. It is definitely not scared of four ohms. AND IT SOUNDS GREAT ! I can\'t hear any crossover distortion, though in speakers I usually listen loud.

You do know how to bias an amp right ? In lack of any information find the output (collector) of the main voltage amp, put a scope on it and drive it at a low level. Increase bias until the |_|¯|_|¯| disappears. That is the threshold, you can go beyond that at will, but it has to at least be to that point.

One thing, when it comes to chemistry learning by destroying might not be all it\'s cracked up to be. You can have some really dastardly accidents with that shit.

So you are in your seventies ans I am to become a sexagenarian on the 18th of this month. That means we both remember how it was. We remember search warrants for example. ut we also remember chemistry sets. Remember those ? I do and if there are any around I bet they don\'t have much in them. \"Oh this is poisonous\". So you are giving a chemistry set to a kid you figure doesn\'t know not to drink the shit ? The Parents are dumber than the kid.

We have seen decades of change and I have concluded the following;

They word has gotten better but people have gotten worse.
 
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Fox\'s Mercantile

Guest
On 8/10/20 1:19 PM, Jeff Urban wrote:
Mostly true and only if I could fix it after destroying it.

I think you would like having a look at my bench receiver. Been in a fire and a flood. I got a jew joke but I can word it out of it...
Racist asshole. You just had to go there didn\'t you>
We have seen decades of change and I have concluded the following;

They word has gotten better but people have gotten worse.
You were always an asshole.

--
\"I am a river to my people.\"
Jeff-1.0
WA6FWi
http:foxsmercantile.com
 
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Jeff Liebermann

Guest
On Mon, 10 Aug 2020 15:15:49 -0500, Fox\'s Mercantile <jdangus@att.net>
wrote:

On 8/10/20 1:19 PM, Jeff Urban wrote:
Mostly true and only if I could fix it after destroying it.

I think you would like having a look at my bench receiver. Been in a fire and a flood. I got a jew joke but I can word it out of it...

Racist asshole. You just had to go there didn\'t you
Oh, be nice. As the default scapegoat and target for everything from
bad jokes to genocide, we\'ve learned to deal with the problem. After
a few failed revolts, failed assimilations, failed passive resistance,
and fails at writing our own jokes, we finally found a solution that
works. We just buy everything in sight. At this time, we own
Hollywood, banking, music industry, garment business, congressional
lobbyists, and have a monopoly on Nobel Prizes. I\'m not worried. Jeff
#3 will change his tune when he needs something.

We have seen decades of change and I have concluded the following;

They word has gotten better but people have gotten worse.
That\'s either the result of speech to text for non-typists, or the
worlds worst spelling chequer.

>You were always an asshole.

Like I suggested, be nice.
You can still be evil even if you are nice.

--
Jeff Liebermann jeffl@cruzio.com
150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558
 
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Fox\'s Mercantile

Guest
On 8/10/20 4:59 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
Like I suggested, be nice.
You can still be evil even if you are nice.
I am, I don\'t go after him nearly as much as he deserves.


--
\"I am a river to my people.\"
Jeff-1.0
WA6FWi
http:foxsmercantile.com
 
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Jeff Urban

Guest
>I am, I don\'t go after him nearly as much as he deserves.

There is a fly in the house. One. I am just waiting for the little son of a bitch to die.

I give you two guesses about whether I care about that more, or your worthless, judgmental, sanctimonious opinion.

How do you end a Fox\'s Mercantile party ?
Flush the punch bowl.
 
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Jeff Urban

Guest
They word has gotten better but people have gotten worse.

That\'s either the result of speech to text for non-typists, or the
worlds worst spelling chequer.
No, it is the result of fast typing and not that great eyesight. Of course I wanted \"world\" there.

I have dealt with the Fox\'s Mercantile type before. Born antagonists. This is the type of person who dares not go to certain bars because he might not make it out alive with his mouth. And he knows it and saves up all his energy for social media on the internet. He thinks being more of an asshole makes him right or proves his point. Of course neither is true.

So how did YOU like my jew joke with the jewness surgically removed ? I laughed like all hell the first time I heard that one. I got another one but I don\'t remember well enough and don\'t have it on drive, but there is no removing the jewness out if it, amma see if I can find it...

Can\'t find it, it is really fucking good. It\'s about a jewish Woman who wants to take the kids over to Grandma\'s to go out on a date. It is hilarious, nothing she can say is right with Ma. Next time I find it it shall become a TXT file.

But what Fox\'s Mercantile does not understand is like a polish joke doesn\'t bother me. The flush the punchbowl one is offensive but mainly because it is so fucking stupid.

But he sees bigotry any time a race is mentioned. I got no problem with the people, it is the government that does the wrong. Well they elected the motherfuckers but you know, look at some of the choices that have been presented to us here. Like us, they may have been voting against someone they saw as worse.

Personally I think we need more race jokes. Include everyone. Boy the English seem like one hell of a target huh.

Russians are too easy.

Cure for measles - vodka.
Cure for AIDS -- vodka.
Broken leg ? - vodka.

And you can\'t because someone will call it \"racist\". That means nothing, what does is bigotry. I think we should pick on everyone, spread it around.

So we got Fox\'s Mercantile who found offense. Is he a jew ?

I have noticed something in life. You got the Cleveland Indians baseball team and someone was bitching about the name. They were not Indians. The Washington Redskins, the people bitching about that are not Native Americans. They are average White people with White guilty bending over backwards to hide the racism inherent in all of us over 40. With all of our intellect, and your IQ is probably near Einstein level, and actually so is mine but I do not have the knowledge to fill it, in the end we are still animals. We are pack animals. We want to be in groups of our own kind.

But Fox\'s Mercantile sticking up for you when I made that joke, why ? Did he think you were unable to speak for yourself ? And that is the most insulting fucking thing in the world.

Like people who want affirmative action for Blacks. They are insulting Blacks by assuming they need it. They are just fine and competing in the job market as well as anyone else.

They don\'t need help. And if you have two guys who have to carry boxes of rocks up a hill all day, if one had to carry 100 pounds and the other one only 50, who will come home stronger ?

Black Parents of the successful ones, what did they say ? \"You are Black, that means you have to try twice as hard to make it, but when you do you can look any Man in the eye and have pride\".

If you are jewish, not fitting the stereotype of course from what I have seen, you had some advantage. For one I bet you knew how to read and write and do basic addition and subtraction before you ever went to kindergarten. They always read to me, a little before 4 it was alphabet time. Know what helped with the math ? Clocks. Not digital, round clocks. \"Now count by fives\". They got me a magazine called highlights. And at six, an encyclopedia, one volume a month which I read furiously.

Whatever happens Man, I will pick on you and you can pick on me. We\'ll leave taking offense to the peanut gallery. Sound good ?
 
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Jeff Liebermann

Guest
On Mon, 10 Aug 2020 22:33:34 -0700 (PDT), Jeff Urban
<jurb6006@gmail.com> wrote:

>So we got Fox\'s Mercantile who found offense. Is he a jew ?

List of Jewish last names. I\'m on Page 18:
<https://www.familyeducation.com/baby-names/browse-origin/surname/jewish?page=18>
I couldn\'t find Jeff #2 last name on the list, so he must not be
Jewish.

For what it\'s worth, I prefer very dry, deadpan, non-emotional humor.
I\'ve written some humor, but I don\'t think you will like it.
<https://groups.google.com/forum/#!original/comp.unix.sco.misc/nYX8dJF3_Vo/_dCOorFX78wJ>
<http://members.cruzio.com/~jeffl/nooze/nooze.htm>
<http://members.cruzio.com/~jeffl/poetry/poetry.htm>
No need to reply. I get tired of too much praise and adulation.


--
Jeff Liebermann jeffl@cruzio.com
150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558
 
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pfjw@aol.com

Guest
\"I have dealt with the Fox\'s Mercantile type before. Born antagonists. This is the type of person who dares not go to certain bars because he might not make it out alive with his mouth. And he knows it and saves up all his energy for social media on the internet. He thinks being more of an asshole makes him right or proves his point. Of course neither is true.\"

Having met Mr. Angus at his home base of Ranger, TX, I can guarantee you that there is no bar on the planet that would refuse his custom, nor where he would be at any risk whatsoever. He is just as opinionated in person as he is in this venue. You, on the other hand, impress me as being a professional chameleon, with no \'true colors\'. Yes, that is an insult.

Peter Wieck
Melrose Park, PA
 
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Fox\'s Mercantile

Guest
On 8/11/20 7:03 AM, pfjw@aol.com wrote:
You, on the other hand, impress me as being a professional
chameleon, with no \'true colors\'. Yes, that is an insult.
And, as expected reacted exactly as predicted.

First off though, I\'d have to value his opinion before he
could insult me.



--
\"I am a river to my people.\"
Jeff-1.0
WA6FWi
http:foxsmercantile.com
 
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John-Del

Guest
On Monday, August 10, 2020 at 5:59:14 PM UTC-4, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
After
a few failed revolts, failed assimilations, failed passive resistance,
and fails at writing our own jokes, we finally found a solution that
works. We just buy everything in sight. At this time, we own
Hollywood, banking, music industry, garment business, congressional
lobbyists, and have a monopoly on Nobel Prizes.
I don\'t mind that at all, but I\'ve always been a bit resentful that my Jewish friends not only cut me out of the plan, but categorically deny all of this.

Now that I\'ve got a Jewish daughter-in-law, I\'m more aggravated being on the outside looking in. She says it\'s turnabout because I\'ve never cut her in to the Mafia riches we EyeTalians enjoy.

Touche I guess..




Jeff Liebermann jeffl@cruzio.com
150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558
 
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