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On Mon, 9 Nov 2020 05:16:53 -0800 (PST),
bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com wrote:
>https://za.investing.com/magazine/american-companies-owned-by-china/
And guess who their friends are.
--
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Science teaches us to doubt.
Claude Bernard
bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com wrote:
>https://za.investing.com/magazine/american-companies-owned-by-china/
And guess who their friends are.
--
John Larkin Highland Technology, Inc
Science teaches us to doubt.
Claude Bernard
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Fred Bloggs
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On Monday, November 9, 2020 at 9:42:10 AM UTC-5, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
Yep- one of them just got elected president.
On Mon, 9 Nov 2020 05:16:53 -0800 (PST),
bloggs.fred...@gmail.com wrote:
https://za.investing.com/magazine/american-companies-owned-by-china/
And guess who their friends are.
Yep- one of them just got elected president.
--
John Larkin Highland Technology, Inc
Science teaches us to doubt.
Claude Bernard
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On Mon, 9 Nov 2020 07:06:51 -0800 (PST), Fred Bloggs
<bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com> wrote:
Imagine how much dirt the Chinese have on the Biden family.
--
John Larkin Highland Technology, Inc
Science teaches us to doubt.
Claude Bernard
<bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com> wrote:
On Monday, November 9, 2020 at 9:42:10 AM UTC-5, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Mon, 9 Nov 2020 05:16:53 -0800 (PST),
bloggs.fred...@gmail.com wrote:
https://za.investing.com/magazine/american-companies-owned-by-china/
And guess who their friends are.
Yep- one of them just got elected president.
Imagine how much dirt the Chinese have on the Biden family.
--
John Larkin Highland Technology, Inc
Science teaches us to doubt.
Claude Bernard
B
bitrex
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On 11/9/2020 8:16 AM, bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com wrote:
Lol, China doesn\'t own GE. They bought their white goods/appliance
division.
\"While General Motors isnât entirely owned by a Chinese company, it does
rely on its partnership with Shanghai Automotive Industry Corp to keep
the money rolling in.\"
And their partnership with South Korea. And their partnership with
Holden Australia. And their partnership with Honda Japan. And their
partnership with Brazil. And (until recently) their partnership with
Opel/Vauxhaull/Fiat. And (until recently) their partnership with Russia.
And...
https://za.investing.com/magazine/american-companies-owned-by-china/
Lol, China doesn\'t own GE. They bought their white goods/appliance
division.
\"While General Motors isnât entirely owned by a Chinese company, it does
rely on its partnership with Shanghai Automotive Industry Corp to keep
the money rolling in.\"
And their partnership with South Korea. And their partnership with
Holden Australia. And their partnership with Honda Japan. And their
partnership with Brazil. And (until recently) their partnership with
Opel/Vauxhaull/Fiat. And (until recently) their partnership with Russia.
And...
B
bitrex
Guest
On 11/9/2020 9:41 AM, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
\"However, it just goes to show that when it comes to making money, it
really doesnât matter where the money comes from â as long as itâs coming.\"
Why is Investing.com complaining about capitalism?
On Mon, 9 Nov 2020 05:16:53 -0800 (PST),
bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com wrote:
https://za.investing.com/magazine/american-companies-owned-by-china/
And guess who their friends are.
\"However, it just goes to show that when it comes to making money, it
really doesnât matter where the money comes from â as long as itâs coming.\"
Why is Investing.com complaining about capitalism?
B
bitrex
Guest
On 11/9/2020 8:16 AM, bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com wrote:
\"Back in 2005, announced that its Personal Computer Division had been
acquired by Lenovo, who paid $1.25 billion for the pleasure. The Chinese
business poured a lot of money besides that into IBM too. According to
the statement, âAdditionally, Lenovo will assume approximately $500
million of net balance sheet liabilities for IBM.â
Ya, they basically paid to use the name \"ThinkPad\" and \"Motorola\" on
their own line of products, and the high-end ones that are using the
\"ThinkPad\" name are still some of the better laptops available for the
price.
I\'m kinda surprised IBM was still trying to sell PCs themselves as late
as 2005.
https://za.investing.com/magazine/american-companies-owned-by-china/
\"Back in 2005, announced that its Personal Computer Division had been
acquired by Lenovo, who paid $1.25 billion for the pleasure. The Chinese
business poured a lot of money besides that into IBM too. According to
the statement, âAdditionally, Lenovo will assume approximately $500
million of net balance sheet liabilities for IBM.â
Ya, they basically paid to use the name \"ThinkPad\" and \"Motorola\" on
their own line of products, and the high-end ones that are using the
\"ThinkPad\" name are still some of the better laptops available for the
price.
I\'m kinda surprised IBM was still trying to sell PCs themselves as late
as 2005.
B
bitrex
Guest
On 11/9/2020 10:06 AM, Fred Bloggs wrote:
Anti-globalization was a leftist idea before it was a right-wing idea,
however it didn\'t sell very well in the US until the right was able to
re-package it and get some bloviators up on stage to say \"Do you see
what the filthy chinks are doing? The smelly ching-chonger gooka dinkies
are trashing our manufacturing. A ching chong chong chong ching!!\"
On Monday, November 9, 2020 at 9:42:10 AM UTC-5, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Mon, 9 Nov 2020 05:16:53 -0800 (PST),
bloggs.fred...@gmail.com wrote:
https://za.investing.com/magazine/american-companies-owned-by-china/
And guess who their friends are.
Yep- one of them just got elected president.
Anti-globalization was a leftist idea before it was a right-wing idea,
however it didn\'t sell very well in the US until the right was able to
re-package it and get some bloviators up on stage to say \"Do you see
what the filthy chinks are doing? The smelly ching-chonger gooka dinkies
are trashing our manufacturing. A ching chong chong chong ching!!\"
F
Fred Bloggs
Guest
On Monday, November 9, 2020 at 11:03:46 AM UTC-5, bitrex wrote:
You make it sound like nothing. They do $37B business annual and employ 77,000 people. They\'re HUGE IOW.
https://pressroom.geappliances.com/facts/about-ge-appliances#:~:text=1%20appliance%20leader%20in%20the,%2437%20billion%20in%20annual%20revenue.
Yep- anything requiring the development of new technology is best done offshore.
If their idea of innovation is the Volt, thanks but no thanks.
I was surprised to learn the Chinese own Tesla- hmmm.
On 11/9/2020 8:16 AM, bloggs.fred...@gmail.com wrote:
https://za.investing.com/magazine/american-companies-owned-by-china/
Lol, China doesn\'t own GE. They bought their white goods/appliance
division.
You make it sound like nothing. They do $37B business annual and employ 77,000 people. They\'re HUGE IOW.
https://pressroom.geappliances.com/facts/about-ge-appliances#:~:text=1%20appliance%20leader%20in%20the,%2437%20billion%20in%20annual%20revenue.
\"While General Motors isnât entirely owned by a Chinese company, it does
rely on its partnership with Shanghai Automotive Industry Corp to keep
the money rolling in.\"
And their partnership with South Korea. And their partnership with
Holden Australia. And their partnership with Honda Japan. And their
partnership with Brazil. And (until recently) their partnership with
Opel/Vauxhaull/Fiat. And (until recently) their partnership with Russia.
And...
Yep- anything requiring the development of new technology is best done offshore.
If their idea of innovation is the Volt, thanks but no thanks.
I was surprised to learn the Chinese own Tesla- hmmm.
B
bitrex
Guest
On 11/9/2020 11:41 AM, Fred Bloggs wrote:
Your loss, it was probably one of the most technologically advanced cars
designed up to that time. The goal wasn\'t to make the perfect
electric/hybrid vehicle it was to make a good car and beat Tesla et al
into the market segment on a much smaller budget, which they did.
It was the best-selling hybrid electric vehicle in the world for better
part of five years, remember. GM doesn\'t leave loser products on the
market for 8 model years because Obama orders them to (though the $7500
tax credit helped a lot.)
Tesla was a global car company from the beginning, they\'re in the US now
because the money\'s been good to be here. The US is tepid on EVs but the
rest of the world including China is hot for them.
If it looks like it\'s the better value at some point to pack the whole
operation up and leave for China and elsewhere I have no doubt Tesla
will do that.
On Monday, November 9, 2020 at 11:03:46 AM UTC-5, bitrex wrote:
On 11/9/2020 8:16 AM, bloggs.fred...@gmail.com wrote:
https://za.investing.com/magazine/american-companies-owned-by-china/
Lol, China doesn\'t own GE. They bought their white goods/appliance
division.
You make it sound like nothing. They do $37B business annual and employ 77,000 people. They\'re HUGE IOW.
https://pressroom.geappliances.com/facts/about-ge-appliances#:~:text=1%20appliance%20leader%20in%20the,%2437%20billion%20in%20annual%20revenue.
\"While General Motors isnât entirely owned by a Chinese company, it does
rely on its partnership with Shanghai Automotive Industry Corp to keep
the money rolling in.\"
And their partnership with South Korea. And their partnership with
Holden Australia. And their partnership with Honda Japan. And their
partnership with Brazil. And (until recently) their partnership with
Opel/Vauxhaull/Fiat. And (until recently) their partnership with Russia.
And...
Yep- anything requiring the development of new technology is best done offshore.
If their idea of innovation is the Volt, thanks but no thanks.
Your loss, it was probably one of the most technologically advanced cars
designed up to that time. The goal wasn\'t to make the perfect
electric/hybrid vehicle it was to make a good car and beat Tesla et al
into the market segment on a much smaller budget, which they did.
It was the best-selling hybrid electric vehicle in the world for better
part of five years, remember. GM doesn\'t leave loser products on the
market for 8 model years because Obama orders them to (though the $7500
tax credit helped a lot.)
I was surprised to learn the Chinese own Tesla- hmmm.
Tesla was a global car company from the beginning, they\'re in the US now
because the money\'s been good to be here. The US is tepid on EVs but the
rest of the world including China is hot for them.
If it looks like it\'s the better value at some point to pack the whole
operation up and leave for China and elsewhere I have no doubt Tesla
will do that.
F
Fred Bloggs
Guest
On Monday, November 9, 2020 at 11:57:52 AM UTC-5, bitrex wrote:
Isn\'t that the one with the $100,000 per vehicle taxpayer subsidy after they accounted for all the grants and other giveaways to GM?
On 11/9/2020 11:41 AM, Fred Bloggs wrote:
On Monday, November 9, 2020 at 11:03:46 AM UTC-5, bitrex wrote:
On 11/9/2020 8:16 AM, bloggs.fred...@gmail.com wrote:
https://za.investing.com/magazine/american-companies-owned-by-china/
Lol, China doesn\'t own GE. They bought their white goods/appliance
division.
You make it sound like nothing. They do $37B business annual and employ 77,000 people. They\'re HUGE IOW.
https://pressroom.geappliances.com/facts/about-ge-appliances#:~:text=1%20appliance%20leader%20in%20the,%2437%20billion%20in%20annual%20revenue.
\"While General Motors isnât entirely owned by a Chinese company, it does
rely on its partnership with Shanghai Automotive Industry Corp to keep
the money rolling in.\"
And their partnership with South Korea. And their partnership with
Holden Australia. And their partnership with Honda Japan. And their
partnership with Brazil. And (until recently) their partnership with
Opel/Vauxhaull/Fiat. And (until recently) their partnership with Russia.
And...
Yep- anything requiring the development of new technology is best done offshore.
If their idea of innovation is the Volt, thanks but no thanks.
Your loss, it was probably one of the most technologically advanced cars
designed up to that time. The goal wasn\'t to make the perfect
electric/hybrid vehicle it was to make a good car and beat Tesla et al
into the market segment on a much smaller budget, which they did.
It was the best-selling hybrid electric vehicle in the world for better
part of five years, remember. GM doesn\'t leave loser products on the
market for 8 model years because Obama orders them to (though the $7500
tax credit helped a lot.)
Isn\'t that the one with the $100,000 per vehicle taxpayer subsidy after they accounted for all the grants and other giveaways to GM?
I was surprised to learn the Chinese own Tesla- hmmm.
Tesla was a global car company from the beginning, they\'re in the US now
because the money\'s been good to be here. The US is tepid on EVs but the
rest of the world including China is hot for them.
If it looks like it\'s the better value at some point to pack the whole
operation up and leave for China and elsewhere I have no doubt Tesla
will do that.
B
bitrex
Guest
On 11/9/2020 3:44 PM, Fred Bloggs wrote:
There were all sorts of figures thrown out there years ago as to how
much each unit was subsidized, here\'s one that says it was 250k:
<https://www.michigancapitolconfidential.com/16192>
\"GM has estimated theyâve sold 6,000 Volts so far. That would mean each
of the 6,000 Volts sold would be subsidized between $50,000 and
$250,000, depending on how many government subsidy milestones are realized.\"
In the final accounting they sold 175,000 Volts in the US and about
another 25,000 in Europe, it was Chevrolet\'s best-selling product that
wasn\'t a truck or SUV for a while.
<https://www.ibtimes.com/chevrolet-volt-beats-tesla-model-s-second-most-sold-ev-who-number-1-2863648>
On Monday, November 9, 2020 at 11:57:52 AM UTC-5, bitrex wrote:
On 11/9/2020 11:41 AM, Fred Bloggs wrote:
On Monday, November 9, 2020 at 11:03:46 AM UTC-5, bitrex wrote:
On 11/9/2020 8:16 AM, bloggs.fred...@gmail.com wrote:
https://za.investing.com/magazine/american-companies-owned-by-china/
Lol, China doesn\'t own GE. They bought their white goods/appliance
division.
You make it sound like nothing. They do $37B business annual and employ 77,000 people. They\'re HUGE IOW.
https://pressroom.geappliances.com/facts/about-ge-appliances#:~:text=1%20appliance%20leader%20in%20the,%2437%20billion%20in%20annual%20revenue.
\"While General Motors isnât entirely owned by a Chinese company, it does
rely on its partnership with Shanghai Automotive Industry Corp to keep
the money rolling in.\"
And their partnership with South Korea. And their partnership with
Holden Australia. And their partnership with Honda Japan. And their
partnership with Brazil. And (until recently) their partnership with
Opel/Vauxhaull/Fiat. And (until recently) their partnership with Russia.
And...
Yep- anything requiring the development of new technology is best done offshore.
If their idea of innovation is the Volt, thanks but no thanks.
Your loss, it was probably one of the most technologically advanced cars
designed up to that time. The goal wasn\'t to make the perfect
electric/hybrid vehicle it was to make a good car and beat Tesla et al
into the market segment on a much smaller budget, which they did.
It was the best-selling hybrid electric vehicle in the world for better
part of five years, remember. GM doesn\'t leave loser products on the
market for 8 model years because Obama orders them to (though the $7500
tax credit helped a lot.)
Isn\'t that the one with the $100,000 per vehicle taxpayer subsidy after they accounted for all the grants and other giveaways to GM?
There were all sorts of figures thrown out there years ago as to how
much each unit was subsidized, here\'s one that says it was 250k:
<https://www.michigancapitolconfidential.com/16192>
\"GM has estimated theyâve sold 6,000 Volts so far. That would mean each
of the 6,000 Volts sold would be subsidized between $50,000 and
$250,000, depending on how many government subsidy milestones are realized.\"
In the final accounting they sold 175,000 Volts in the US and about
another 25,000 in Europe, it was Chevrolet\'s best-selling product that
wasn\'t a truck or SUV for a while.
<https://www.ibtimes.com/chevrolet-volt-beats-tesla-model-s-second-most-sold-ev-who-number-1-2863648>
B
bitrex
Guest
On 11/9/2020 6:25 PM, bitrex wrote:
US and Canada, rather
On 11/9/2020 3:44 PM, Fred Bloggs wrote:
On Monday, November 9, 2020 at 11:57:52 AM UTC-5, bitrex wrote:
On 11/9/2020 11:41 AM, Fred Bloggs wrote:
On Monday, November 9, 2020 at 11:03:46 AM UTC-5, bitrex wrote:
On 11/9/2020 8:16 AM, bloggs.fred...@gmail.com wrote:
https://za.investing.com/magazine/american-companies-owned-by-china/
Lol, China doesn\'t own GE. They bought their white goods/appliance
division.
You make it sound like nothing. They do $37B business annual and
employ 77,000 people. They\'re HUGE IOW.
https://pressroom.geappliances.com/facts/about-ge-appliances#:~:text=1%20appliance%20leader%20in%20the,%2437%20billion%20in%20annual%20revenue.
\"While General Motors isnât entirely owned by a Chinese company, it
does
rely on its partnership with Shanghai Automotive Industry Corp to keep
the money rolling in.\"
And their partnership with South Korea. And their partnership with
Holden Australia. And their partnership with Honda Japan. And their
partnership with Brazil. And (until recently) their partnership with
Opel/Vauxhaull/Fiat. And (until recently) their partnership with
Russia.
And...
Yep- anything requiring the development of new technology is best
done offshore.
If their idea of innovation is the Volt, thanks but no thanks.
Your loss, it was probably one of the most technologically advanced cars
designed up to that time. The goal wasn\'t to make the perfect
electric/hybrid vehicle it was to make a good car and beat Tesla et al
into the market segment on a much smaller budget, which they did.
It was the best-selling hybrid electric vehicle in the world for better
part of five years, remember. GM doesn\'t leave loser products on the
market for 8 model years because Obama orders them to (though the $7500
tax credit helped a lot.)
Isn\'t that the one with the $100,000 per vehicle taxpayer subsidy
after they accounted for all the grants and other giveaways to GM?
There were all sorts of figures thrown out there years ago as to how
much each unit was subsidized, here\'s one that says it was 250k:
https://www.michigancapitolconfidential.com/16192
\"GM has estimated theyâve sold 6,000 Volts so far. That would mean each
of the 6,000 Volts sold would be subsidized between $50,000 and
$250,000, depending on how many government subsidy milestones are
realized.\"
In the final accounting they sold 175,000 Volts in the US and about
another 25,000 in Europe, it was Chevrolet\'s best-selling product that
wasn\'t a truck or SUV for a while.
https://www.ibtimes.com/chevrolet-volt-beats-tesla-model-s-second-most-sold-ev-who-number-1-2863648
US and Canada, rather
B
bitrex
Guest
On 11/9/2020 6:25 PM, bitrex wrote:
They probably could have sold a bunch more if they\'d advertised it, but
GM pretty much never spent a penny on advertising it after the initial
launch.
On 11/9/2020 3:44 PM, Fred Bloggs wrote:
On Monday, November 9, 2020 at 11:57:52 AM UTC-5, bitrex wrote:
On 11/9/2020 11:41 AM, Fred Bloggs wrote:
On Monday, November 9, 2020 at 11:03:46 AM UTC-5, bitrex wrote:
On 11/9/2020 8:16 AM, bloggs.fred...@gmail.com wrote:
https://za.investing.com/magazine/american-companies-owned-by-china/
Lol, China doesn\'t own GE. They bought their white goods/appliance
division.
You make it sound like nothing. They do $37B business annual and
employ 77,000 people. They\'re HUGE IOW.
https://pressroom.geappliances.com/facts/about-ge-appliances#:~:text=1%20appliance%20leader%20in%20the,%2437%20billion%20in%20annual%20revenue.
\"While General Motors isnât entirely owned by a Chinese company, it
does
rely on its partnership with Shanghai Automotive Industry Corp to keep
the money rolling in.\"
And their partnership with South Korea. And their partnership with
Holden Australia. And their partnership with Honda Japan. And their
partnership with Brazil. And (until recently) their partnership with
Opel/Vauxhaull/Fiat. And (until recently) their partnership with
Russia.
And...
Yep- anything requiring the development of new technology is best
done offshore.
If their idea of innovation is the Volt, thanks but no thanks.
Your loss, it was probably one of the most technologically advanced cars
designed up to that time. The goal wasn\'t to make the perfect
electric/hybrid vehicle it was to make a good car and beat Tesla et al
into the market segment on a much smaller budget, which they did.
It was the best-selling hybrid electric vehicle in the world for better
part of five years, remember. GM doesn\'t leave loser products on the
market for 8 model years because Obama orders them to (though the $7500
tax credit helped a lot.)
Isn\'t that the one with the $100,000 per vehicle taxpayer subsidy
after they accounted for all the grants and other giveaways to GM?
There were all sorts of figures thrown out there years ago as to how
much each unit was subsidized, here\'s one that says it was 250k:
https://www.michigancapitolconfidential.com/16192
\"GM has estimated theyâve sold 6,000 Volts so far. That would mean each
of the 6,000 Volts sold would be subsidized between $50,000 and
$250,000, depending on how many government subsidy milestones are
realized.\"
In the final accounting they sold 175,000 Volts in the US and about
another 25,000 in Europe, it was Chevrolet\'s best-selling product that
wasn\'t a truck or SUV for a while.
https://www.ibtimes.com/chevrolet-volt-beats-tesla-model-s-second-most-sold-ev-who-number-1-2863648
They probably could have sold a bunch more if they\'d advertised it, but
GM pretty much never spent a penny on advertising it after the initial
launch.
T
three_jeeps
Guest
On Monday, November 9, 2020 at 11:41:57 AM UTC-5, Fred Bloggs wrote:
No matter, as I am in the market for a SUV and seriously considering the Toyota highlander hybrid (36 mpg city) I keep wondering where GM would be today if they had the right vision.....
Best done off shore? I beg to differ. The volt was very innovative for its time and the hybrid setup is very efficient. IMHO, it rivaled the Prius. Hell, it even looked better than the Prius. I could never figure out why they didn\'t sell more. Yea, they were gov subsidized, but many off-shore car companies are as well, so why all the concern? I am still confounded by the fact that GM stated it wants to build only all electric vehicles in the future and not have a hybrid as a safe-bet crossover so to speak. Oh well, maybe they know something I don\'t.On Monday, November 9, 2020 at 11:03:46 AM UTC-5, bitrex wrote:
On 11/9/2020 8:16 AM, bloggs.fred...@gmail.com wrote:
https://za.investing.com/magazine/american-companies-owned-by-china/
Lol, China doesn\'t own GE. They bought their white goods/appliance
division.
You make it sound like nothing. They do $37B business annual and employ 77,000 people. They\'re HUGE IOW.
https://pressroom.geappliances.com/facts/about-ge-appliances#:~:text=1%20appliance%20leader%20in%20the,%2437%20billion%20in%20annual%20revenue.
\"While General Motors isnât entirely owned by a Chinese company, it does
rely on its partnership with Shanghai Automotive Industry Corp to keep
the money rolling in.\"
And their partnership with South Korea. And their partnership with
Holden Australia. And their partnership with Honda Japan. And their
partnership with Brazil. And (until recently) their partnership with
Opel/Vauxhaull/Fiat. And (until recently) their partnership with Russia..
And...
Yep- anything requiring the development of new technology is best done offshore.
If their idea of innovation is the Volt, thanks but no thanks.
I was surprised to learn the Chinese own Tesla- hmmm.
No matter, as I am in the market for a SUV and seriously considering the Toyota highlander hybrid (36 mpg city) I keep wondering where GM would be today if they had the right vision.....
W
whit3rd
Guest
On Monday, November 9, 2020 at 7:49:41 AM UTC-8, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
> Imagine how much dirt the Chinese have on the Biden family.
That\'s the beauty of imaginary dirt; there\'s no limit to how much!
Other unreal entities (fairies, cannibal leftists, the deep state) are
similarly ubiquitous in some folks thoughts.
> Imagine how much dirt the Chinese have on the Biden family.
That\'s the beauty of imaginary dirt; there\'s no limit to how much!
Other unreal entities (fairies, cannibal leftists, the deep state) are
similarly ubiquitous in some folks thoughts.