good line

[John Larkin]

"Would I buy a car from a car company if I knew that its employees
don't know how to drive a car?" he asked. "Why do we consider it
normal to buy EDA tools from companies that do not know how to
design?"

http://www.eetimes.com/news/latest/showArticle.jhtml;jsessionid=SEA4IIAHABGWSQSNDBCSKH0CJUMEKJVN?articleID=160502915


John

 

[martin griffith]

On Fri, 08 Apr 2005 13:34:33 -0700, in sci.electronics.design John
Larkin <jjlarkin@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:

"Would I buy a car from a car company if I knew that its employees
don't know how to drive a car?" he asked. "Why do we consider it
normal to buy EDA tools from companies that do not know how to
design?"

http://www.eetimes.com/news/latest/showArticle.jhtml;jsessionid=SEA4IIAHABGWSQSNDBCSKH0CJUMEKJVN?articleID=160502915


John
Just hanging on to see what Jim T says........

martin


Opinions are like assholes -- everyone has one

 

[Jim Thompson]

On Fri, 08 Apr 2005 23:06:38 +0200, martin griffith
<martingriffith@XXyahoo.co.uk> wrote:

On Fri, 08 Apr 2005 13:34:33 -0700, in sci.electronics.design John
Larkin <jjlarkin@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:


"Would I buy a car from a car company if I knew that its employees
don't know how to drive a car?" he asked. "Why do we consider it
normal to buy EDA tools from companies that do not know how to
design?"

http://www.eetimes.com/news/latest/showArticle.jhtml;jsessionid=SEA4IIAHABGWSQSNDBCSKH0CJUMEKJVN?articleID=160502915


John
Just hanging on to see what Jim T says........


martin

EDA programmers only have to know matrix math, and generally not a
thing about EE.

Where they fail is in providing the GUI that EE's like to see.

What works best is an EE harping at the programmer 'til he gets it
right.

I harp at my oldest son to the point that he annotates his source code
with lines like, "Did this because Jim Thompson is too lazy to..."

But I always get what I want, particularly when my son needs money ;-)

We have two utilities now, "Binning" (re-writes netlists to handle
binned CMOS models) and "Netlist Reduction" (evaluates expressions
down to numerics, and changes syntax formats, so other simulators and
layout tools can read the netlist).

After a little more beta testing, these will be available for
purchase.

...Jim Thompson
--
| James E.Thompson, P.E. | mens |
| Analog Innovations, Inc. | et |
| Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems | manus |
| Phoenix, Arizona Voice480)460-2350 | |
| E-mail Address at Website Fax480)460-2142 | Brass Rat |
| http://www.analog-innovations.com | 1962 |

I love to cook with wine. Sometimes I even put it in the food.

 

[martin griffith]

On Fri, 08 Apr 2005 14:37:55 -0700, in sci.electronics.design Jim
Thompson <thegreatone@example.com> wrote:

snip
But I always get what I want, particularly when my son needs money ;-)

We have two utilities now, "Binning" (re-writes netlists to handle
binned CMOS models) and "Netlist Reduction" (evaluates expressions
down to numerics, and changes syntax formats,

so other simulators andlayout tools can read the netlist

After a little more beta testing, these will be available for
purchase.

...Jim Thompson
so the last thing you want is cohesion between the EDA guys

Go for it Jim, get those kids of yours writing your pension scheme!




martin


Opinions are like assholes -- everyone has one

 

[Jim Thompson]

On Sat, 09 Apr 2005 00:23:58 +0200, martin griffith
<martingriffith@XXyahoo.co.uk> wrote:

On Fri, 08 Apr 2005 14:37:55 -0700, in sci.electronics.design Jim
Thompson <thegreatone@example.com> wrote:


snip
But I always get what I want, particularly when my son needs money ;-)

We have two utilities now, "Binning" (re-writes netlists to handle
binned CMOS models) and "Netlist Reduction" (evaluates expressions
down to numerics, and changes syntax formats,


so other simulators and layout tools can read the netlist

Yep. Right now I have to "talk" to Cadence, IC-Editor, Mentor and
several others for layout; Cadence, SmartSpice, Mentor, and HSpice for
simulators

After a little more beta testing, these will be available for
purchase.

...Jim Thompson

so the last thing you want is cohesion between the EDA guys

They'll never do it. They created EDIF, by COMMITTEE, guaranteeing
that it could never function.

Go for it Jim, get those kids of yours writing your pension scheme!


martin

Absolutely !-)

...Jim Thompson
--
| James E.Thompson, P.E. | mens |
| Analog Innovations, Inc. | et |
| Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems | manus |
| Phoenix, Arizona Voice480)460-2350 | |
| E-mail Address at Website Fax480)460-2142 | Brass Rat |
| http://www.analog-innovations.com | 1962 |

I love to cook with wine. Sometimes I even put it in the food.

 

[Joerg]

Hello Jim,

They'll never do it. They created EDIF, by COMMITTEE, guaranteeing
that it could never function.

ROFL!

But it probably does provide a nice excuse for the big shots to go to
the meetings and wine & dine.

Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com

 

[John Woodgate]

I read in sci.electronics.design that Joerg
<notthisjoergsch@removethispacbell.net> wrote (in
<%QE5e.1023$RQ7.739@newssvr14.news.prodigy.com&gt about 'good line', on
Fri, 8 Apr 2005:

But it probably does provide a nice excuse for the big shots to go to
the meetings and wine & dine.

No, managers send small shots to those meetings, with strict briefs not
to agree to anything that adds 0.01 cents to product cost, and then get
mad because it takes more than one meeting to finish the task.

A little 'wine and dine' is just compensation for being given impossible
things to do. For long periods. Indoors, when the sun is shining.
Usually without any women to look at.
--
Regards, John Woodgate, OOO - Own Opinions Only.
There are two sides to every question, except
'What is a Moebius strip?'
http://www.jmwa.demon.co.uk Also see http://www.isce.org.uk

 

[Rich The Newsgropup Wacko]

On Fri, 08 Apr 2005 13:34:33 -0700, John Larkin wrote:

"Would I buy a car from a car company if I knew that its employees don't
know how to drive a car?" he asked. "Why do we consider it normal to buy
EDA tools from companies that do not know how to design?"

http://www.eetimes.com/news/latest/showArticle.jhtml;jsessionid=SEA4IIAHABGWSQSNDBCSKH0CJUMEKJVN?articleID=160502915

I don't know, John. How many airplain design engineers have their pilots'
license?

;-)
--
Cheers!
Rich
------
A dolly in Dallas named Alice,
Whose overworked sex is all callous,
Wore the foreskin away
On uncircumcised Ray,
Through exuberance, tightness, and malice.

 

[martin griffith]

On Sat, 09 Apr 2005 19:25:11 GMT, in sci.electronics.design Rich The
Newsgropup Wacko <wacko@example.com> wrote:

On Fri, 08 Apr 2005 13:34:33 -0700, John Larkin wrote:


"Would I buy a car from a car company if I knew that its employees don't
know how to drive a car?" he asked. "Why do we consider it normal to buy
EDA tools from companies that do not know how to design?"

http://www.eetimes.com/news/latest/showArticle.jhtml;jsessionid=SEA4IIAHABGWSQSNDBCSKH0CJUMEKJVN?articleID=160502915


I don't know, John. How many airplain design engineers have their pilots'
license?

;-)
How did the Space Shuttle get designed?

martin

"Wales is a big welsh-shaped rain collection device"