Fantastic New Soldering Iron...

[Steve Wilson]

Amazon has a new soldering iron for CDN$ 21.99. It has the temperature
control and LCD tip temperature in the handle. I have collected many
soldering irons over the years, but this is the best. You can find it on
Amazon.

Here is the info:

Soldering Iron with LCD Screen Display, Adjustable Temperature
Welding Tool with ON-Off Switch, Soldering Tips, Solder Wire,
Tweezers, Stand and Sponge (80W, 110V)

Brand: KLARYTYMA
4.3 out of 5 stars 41 ratings
Price: CDN$ 21.99 FREE Delivery

Excellent Soldering Gun with LCD Screen: No need soldering station,
just plug and use. With the temperature control knob and digital
display, you can adjust the temperature from 392? to 842?, read the
temperature clearly, so it is less likely to over heat a circuit
board.

Soldering Iron with ON/OFF Switch: The welding Iron kit with on-off
switch, it is convenience for you to turn it off at anytime when you
don\'t need to use it. At the same time, it can avoid long-time
working, saving energy and ensuring safe welding. The insulating
silica gel cover can effectively protect the iron from overheating.

Heat Up Quickly & Cool Down Fast: The 110 80W soldering iron uses
ceramic heating element, heat up very quickly. Four ventilation
holes are designed on the steel-pipe and bakelite, provide better
heat dissipation, which can extend its lifespan.

A Must-have Soldering Iron Kit: 5PCS different size heads are a
fantastic way to control the amount of solder going into a joint,
which are interchangeable and designed for different types of work,
such as repairing guitar, watch, computer, hardware, TV, etc. It is
widely used for home DIY, soldering projects, welding circuit board,
electric repairing, crafts/jewelry making. Best choice for welding
beginner, welding classroom, basic household toolbox.

Package Included: Soldering Iron x 1, Soldering Iron Tips x 5,
Solder Wire Tube x 1, Tweezers x 1, Iron Stand with Sponge x 1.

https://tinyurl.com/yyjps438

(https://www.amazon.ca/Soldering-Display-Adjustable-Temperature-
Tweezers/dp/B08HCHYQZR/)

--
Science teaches us to trust. - sw

 

[Steve Wilson]

legg <legg@nospam.magma.ca> wrote:

On Mon, 07 Dec 2020 00:46:07 GMT, Steve Wilson <spam@me.com> wrote:

https://www.amazon.ca/Soldering-Display-Adjustable-Temperature-
Tweezers/dp/B08HCHYQZR

https://tiny.cc/csz4tz

That link goes to a webcam. The link I posted is
https://tinyurl.com/yyjps438

An extra $2 gets you desoldering pump, cutters and a deeloox
presentation zippered carrying case.

Where\'s the link? The american versions are not the same. They only
adjust in 50 degree increments. The maximum temperature is lower.

A desoldering pump often destroys the pads, especially on SMD. You can
use solder wick or a stainless steel probe to open a through hole.

Cutters are extremely cheap on amazon. They may not last long depending
on the service. They are not needed for SMD.

The tips are rubbish. I don\'t see a means of ordering replacement
tips, by the dozen.

Replacement tips are available on Amazon for all kinds of soldering
irons.

> BTW - display is set temp, not tip temp.

I don\'t see how. The heater is capable of dumping 80 w. Without feedback,
the tip would go over the desired temperature.

> This is the sort of thing that really needs a UL or CSA sticker.

Why? For CDN$21.99, who cares.

RL

--
Science teaches us to trust. - sw

 

[legg]

On Mon, 07 Dec 2020 15:43:45 GMT, Jan Panteltje
<pNaOnStPeAlMtje@yahoo.com> wrote:

On a sunny day (Mon, 07 Dec 2020 09:17:10 -0500) it happened legg
legg@nospam.magma.ca> wrote in <utdssf5kq9bnda9a4fhatklrqvetdvtlbc@4ax.com>:

On Mon, 07 Dec 2020 00:46:07 GMT, Steve Wilson <spam@me.com> wrote:

https://www.amazon.ca/Soldering-Display-Adjustable-Temperature-
Tweezers/dp/B08HCHYQZR

https://tiny.cc/csz4tz


That is a webcam?

https://tiny.cc/nn86tz

Appologies. Can\'t seem to get tinyurl website to copy

RL

 

[Jeff Liebermann]

On Mon, 07 Dec 2020 18:20:17 GMT, Steve Wilson <spam@me.com> wrote:

legg <legg@nospam.magma.ca> wrote:
This is the sort of thing that really needs a UL or CSA sticker.

Why? For CDN$21.99, who cares.

That iron runs directly off of the AC power line without an isolating
transformer. That normally requires double insulation, a thermal
fuse, and an overcurrent fuse, none of which I see present. Get the
iron wet, or have the heating element spray NiCr on the insulation,
and you have some AC leakage to the tip. Solder something that\'s
voltage sensitive, and it goes poof.
<https://www.google.com/search?q=soldering+iron+leak+voltage+current>

I run my soldering irons and other devices from GFCI protected outlet
boxes and adapters:
<https://www.homedepot.com/p/Tower-Manufacturing-Corporation-3-Wire-GFCI-Outlet-Adapter-30439005/202510242>
because I don\'t like blowing up the equipment I\'m trying to repair.
It\'s probably overkill and not really necessay. However, it does get
my attention when I plug in a repair job and it trips the GCFI
breaker, which usually means I forgot to unplug the repair job before
soldering. The UL sticker doesn\'t guarantee that you can\'t find a way
to kill yourself or burn the labe down, but it does protect against
most of the common failures and mistakes.

Please note that UL doesn\'t care if the device works as advertised. It
only cares that it will not electrocute the user or set fire to the
lab.


--
Jeff Liebermann jeffl@cruzio.com
150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

 

[Steve Wilson]

legg <legg@nospam.magma.ca> wrote:

On Mon, 07 Dec 2020 15:43:45 GMT, Jan Panteltje
pNaOnStPeAlMtje@yahoo.com> wrote:

On a sunny day (Mon, 07 Dec 2020 09:17:10 -0500) it happened legg
legg@nospam.magma.ca> wrote in
utdssf5kq9bnda9a4fhatklrqvetdvtlbc@4ax.com>:

On Mon, 07 Dec 2020 00:46:07 GMT, Steve Wilson <spam@me.com> wrote:

https://www.amazon.ca/Soldering-Display-Adjustable-Temperature-
Tweezers/dp/B08HCHYQZR

https://tiny.cc/csz4tz


That is a webcam?

https://tiny.cc/nn86tz

That has no tip temperature readout. Here is a quote from a Soldering
Station with HANMATEK Digital Display:

FAST HEATING BUT STABLE TEMPERATURE? After one year of research and
development and testing, our R & D team combined with the latest
smart transformer, ceramic craft iron core, advanced PID
(Proportional-Integral-Derivative) technology, this soldering
station can get perfect 6 seconds fast heating and constant
temperature. The problem of overheating and the actual temperature
is different from the preset temperature has become history.

https://tinyurl.com/yxeyxhl3

Here is a quote from a soldering iron similar the the one I posted:

Temp Adjustable & Heat UP Quickly, 194-896F adjustable, heat up
quickly and accurate temperature control with PID micro-computer
temperature control technology.

https://tinyurl.com/y5vmdg7q

So you *CAN* put a PID controller in a simple inexpensive soldering iron
and measure the tip temperature.

> Appologies. Can\'t seem to get tinyurl website to copy

You have to punch it twice fast to put the url in the clipboard.

Thanks for using TinyRL. This eliminates the problem of wrap in long
URLs.

RL

--
Science teaches us to trust. - sw

 

[Steve Wilson]

Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com> wrote:

On Mon, 07 Dec 2020 18:20:17 GMT, Steve Wilson <spam@me.com> wrote:

legg <legg@nospam.magma.ca> wrote:
This is the sort of thing that really needs a UL or CSA sticker.

Why? For CDN$21.99, who cares.

That iron runs directly off of the AC power line without an isolating
transformer. That normally requires double insulation, a thermal
fuse, and an overcurrent fuse, none of which I see present. Get the
iron wet, or have the heating element spray NiCr on the insulation,
and you have some AC leakage to the tip. Solder something that\'s
voltage sensitive, and it goes poof.
https://www.google.com/search?q=soldering+iron+leak+voltage+current

You do not normally take a soldering iron into a bathtub. How else are
you going to get it wet.

I have never seen NiCr spray anything. The insulation is inside the iron
tip. How is NiCr going to get there. The tip is grounded, so there is no
leakage path to the tip.

An ungrounded tip can cause ESD. ESD and leakage are solved by grounding
the tip to line ground (not line neutral) and grounding the circuit under
test. Remember to turn power off before working on the circuit.

I run my soldering irons and other devices from GFCI protected outlet
boxes and adapters:
https://www.homedepot.com/p/Tower-Manufacturing-Corporation-3-Wire-GFC
I-Outlet-Adapter-30439005/202510242> because I don\'t like blowing up
the equipment I\'m trying to repair. It\'s probably overkill and not
really necessay. However, it does get my attention when I plug in a
repair job and it trips the GCFI breaker, which usually means I forgot
to unplug the repair job before soldering.

GCFI only cares about unbalance between line hot and line neutral. If you
are soldering to line hot with a grounded soldering iron tip, you would
get a lot of sparks and damage the circuit. The 25 ms GCFI delay is a
long time for semiconductors.

https://tinyurl.com/y8fq6jdx

The UL sticker doesn\'t
guarantee that you can\'t find a way to kill yourself or burn the labe
down, but it does protect against most of the common failures and
mistakes.

Please note that UL doesn\'t care if the device works as advertised. It
only cares that it will not electrocute the user or set fire to the
lab.

The soldering iron tip is grounded to line ground. It is easy to check
the continuity with a multimeter or DVM.

If the PID controller fails, the iron will get very hot and you will see
that it has failed.

Both failures are easy to check by the user. UL doesn\'t catch failures
that occur in normal use after the UL testing.



--
Science teaches us to trust. - sw

 

[Klaus Kragelund]

On 07-12-2020 03:37, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

On Mon, 07 Dec 2020 00:46:07 GMT, Steve Wilson <spam@me.com> wrote:

Amazon has a new soldering iron for CDN$ 21.99. It has the temperature
control and LCD tip temperature in the handle. I have collected many
soldering irons over the years, but this is the best. You can find it on
Amazon.

Here is the info:

Soldering Iron with LCD Screen Display, Adjustable Temperature
Welding Tool with ON-Off Switch, Soldering Tips, Solder Wire,
Tweezers, Stand and Sponge (80W, 110V)

Brand: KLARYTYMA
4.3 out of 5 stars 41 ratings
Price: CDN$ 21.99 FREE Delivery

Excellent Soldering Gun with LCD Screen: No need soldering station,
just plug and use. With the temperature control knob and digital
display, you can adjust the temperature from 392? to 842?, read the
temperature clearly, so it is less likely to over heat a circuit
board.

Soldering Iron with ON/OFF Switch: The welding Iron kit with on-off
switch, it is convenience for you to turn it off at anytime when you
don\'t need to use it. At the same time, it can avoid long-time
working, saving energy and ensuring safe welding. The insulating
silica gel cover can effectively protect the iron from overheating.

Heat Up Quickly & Cool Down Fast: The 110 80W soldering iron uses
ceramic heating element, heat up very quickly. Four ventilation
holes are designed on the steel-pipe and bakelite, provide better
heat dissipation, which can extend its lifespan.

A Must-have Soldering Iron Kit: 5PCS different size heads are a
fantastic way to control the amount of solder going into a joint,
which are interchangeable and designed for different types of work,
such as repairing guitar, watch, computer, hardware, TV, etc. It is
widely used for home DIY, soldering projects, welding circuit board,
electric repairing, crafts/jewelry making. Best choice for welding
beginner, welding classroom, basic household toolbox.

Package Included: Soldering Iron x 1, Soldering Iron Tips x 5,
Solder Wire Tube x 1, Tweezers x 1, Iron Stand with Sponge x 1.

https://tinyurl.com/yyjps438

(https://www.amazon.ca/Soldering-Display-Adjustable-Temperature-
Tweezers/dp/B08HCHYQZR/)

Nice bench vise. I\'ll get one of those.

In my experience, you don\'t see beautiful girls in EE

Not like this anyway

https://www.shutterstock.com/image-photo/two-female-scientists-working-laboratory-creating-1266315346

 

[Lasse Langwadt Christensen]

mandag den 7. december 2020 kl. 23.49.42 UTC+1 skrev Klaus Kragelund:

On 07-12-2020 03:37, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Mon, 07 Dec 2020 00:46:07 GMT, Steve Wilson <sp...@me.com> wrote:

Amazon has a new soldering iron for CDN$ 21.99. It has the temperature
control and LCD tip temperature in the handle. I have collected many
soldering irons over the years, but this is the best. You can find it on
Amazon.

Here is the info:

Soldering Iron with LCD Screen Display, Adjustable Temperature
Welding Tool with ON-Off Switch, Soldering Tips, Solder Wire,
Tweezers, Stand and Sponge (80W, 110V)

Brand: KLARYTYMA
4.3 out of 5 stars 41 ratings
Price: CDN$ 21.99 FREE Delivery

Excellent Soldering Gun with LCD Screen: No need soldering station,
just plug and use. With the temperature control knob and digital
display, you can adjust the temperature from 392? to 842?, read the
temperature clearly, so it is less likely to over heat a circuit
board.

Soldering Iron with ON/OFF Switch: The welding Iron kit with on-off
switch, it is convenience for you to turn it off at anytime when you
don\'t need to use it. At the same time, it can avoid long-time
working, saving energy and ensuring safe welding. The insulating
silica gel cover can effectively protect the iron from overheating.

Heat Up Quickly & Cool Down Fast: The 110 80W soldering iron uses
ceramic heating element, heat up very quickly. Four ventilation
holes are designed on the steel-pipe and bakelite, provide better
heat dissipation, which can extend its lifespan.

A Must-have Soldering Iron Kit: 5PCS different size heads are a
fantastic way to control the amount of solder going into a joint,
which are interchangeable and designed for different types of work,
such as repairing guitar, watch, computer, hardware, TV, etc. It is
widely used for home DIY, soldering projects, welding circuit board,
electric repairing, crafts/jewelry making. Best choice for welding
beginner, welding classroom, basic household toolbox.

Package Included: Soldering Iron x 1, Soldering Iron Tips x 5,
Solder Wire Tube x 1, Tweezers x 1, Iron Stand with Sponge x 1.

https://tinyurl.com/yyjps438

(https://www.amazon.ca/Soldering-Display-Adjustable-Temperature-
Tweezers/dp/B08HCHYQZR/)

Nice bench vise. I\'ll get one of those.

In my experience, you don\'t see beautiful girls in EE

Not like this anyway

https://www.shutterstock.com/image-photo/two-female-scientists-working-laboratory-creating-1266315346

https://makezine.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/stock-photo-beautiful-woman-repair-soldering-a-printed-circuit-board-204001492-620x1004.jpg

 

[legg]

On Mon, 07 Dec 2020 10:57:06 -0800, Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com>
wrote:

On Mon, 07 Dec 2020 18:20:17 GMT, Steve Wilson <spam@me.com> wrote:

legg <legg@nospam.magma.ca> wrote:
This is the sort of thing that really needs a UL or CSA sticker.

Why? For CDN$21.99, who cares.

That iron runs directly off of the AC power line without an isolating
transformer. That normally requires double insulation, a thermal
fuse, and an overcurrent fuse, none of which I see present. Get the
iron wet, or have the heating element spray NiCr on the insulation,
and you have some AC leakage to the tip. Solder something that\'s
voltage sensitive, and it goes poof.
https://www.google.com/search?q=soldering+iron+leak+voltage+current

I run my soldering irons and other devices from GFCI protected outlet
boxes and adapters:
https://www.homedepot.com/p/Tower-Manufacturing-Corporation-3-Wire-GFCI-Outlet-Adapter-30439005/202510242
because I don\'t like blowing up the equipment I\'m trying to repair.
It\'s probably overkill and not really necessay. However, it does get
my attention when I plug in a repair job and it trips the GCFI
breaker, which usually means I forgot to unplug the repair job before
soldering. The UL sticker doesn\'t guarantee that you can\'t find a way
to kill yourself or burn the labe down, but it does protect against
most of the common failures and mistakes.

Please note that UL doesn\'t care if the device works as advertised. It
only cares that it will not electrocute the user or set fire to the
lab.

Comments on website included a single star - user blamed flakey stand
on his burning through the line cord. Couldn\'t have got ALL the way
through . . . . .

RL

 

[RheillyPhoull]

On 8/12/2020 7:13 am, Lasse Langwadt Christensen wrote:

mandag den 7. december 2020 kl. 23.49.42 UTC+1 skrev Klaus Kragelund:
On 07-12-2020 03:37, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Mon, 07 Dec 2020 00:46:07 GMT, Steve Wilson <sp...@me.com> wrote:

Amazon has a new soldering iron for CDN$ 21.99. It has the temperature
control and LCD tip temperature in the handle. I have collected many
soldering irons over the years, but this is the best. You can find it on
Amazon.

Here is the info:

Soldering Iron with LCD Screen Display, Adjustable Temperature
Welding Tool with ON-Off Switch, Soldering Tips, Solder Wire,
Tweezers, Stand and Sponge (80W, 110V)

Brand: KLARYTYMA
4.3 out of 5 stars 41 ratings
Price: CDN$ 21.99 FREE Delivery

Excellent Soldering Gun with LCD Screen: No need soldering station,
just plug and use. With the temperature control knob and digital
display, you can adjust the temperature from 392? to 842?, read the
temperature clearly, so it is less likely to over heat a circuit
board.

Soldering Iron with ON/OFF Switch: The welding Iron kit with on-off
switch, it is convenience for you to turn it off at anytime when you
don\'t need to use it. At the same time, it can avoid long-time
working, saving energy and ensuring safe welding. The insulating
silica gel cover can effectively protect the iron from overheating.

Heat Up Quickly & Cool Down Fast: The 110 80W soldering iron uses
ceramic heating element, heat up very quickly. Four ventilation
holes are designed on the steel-pipe and bakelite, provide better
heat dissipation, which can extend its lifespan.

A Must-have Soldering Iron Kit: 5PCS different size heads are a
fantastic way to control the amount of solder going into a joint,
which are interchangeable and designed for different types of work,
such as repairing guitar, watch, computer, hardware, TV, etc. It is
widely used for home DIY, soldering projects, welding circuit board,
electric repairing, crafts/jewelry making. Best choice for welding
beginner, welding classroom, basic household toolbox.

Package Included: Soldering Iron x 1, Soldering Iron Tips x 5,
Solder Wire Tube x 1, Tweezers x 1, Iron Stand with Sponge x 1.

https://tinyurl.com/yyjps438

(https://www.amazon.ca/Soldering-Display-Adjustable-Temperature-
Tweezers/dp/B08HCHYQZR/)

Nice bench vise. I\'ll get one of those.

In my experience, you don\'t see beautiful girls in EE

Not like this anyway

https://www.shutterstock.com/image-photo/two-female-scientists-working-laboratory-creating-1266315346

https://makezine.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/stock-photo-beautiful-woman-repair-soldering-a-printed-circuit-board-204001492-620x1004.jpg

Ahhh the old \"Asbestos fingers\" routine

 

[John Larkin]

On Mon, 7 Dec 2020 23:49:33 +0100, Klaus Kragelund
<klauskvik@hotmail.com> wrote:

On 07-12-2020 03:37, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Mon, 07 Dec 2020 00:46:07 GMT, Steve Wilson <spam@me.com> wrote:

Amazon has a new soldering iron for CDN$ 21.99. It has the temperature
control and LCD tip temperature in the handle. I have collected many
soldering irons over the years, but this is the best. You can find it on
Amazon.

Here is the info:

Soldering Iron with LCD Screen Display, Adjustable Temperature
Welding Tool with ON-Off Switch, Soldering Tips, Solder Wire,
Tweezers, Stand and Sponge (80W, 110V)

Brand: KLARYTYMA
4.3 out of 5 stars 41 ratings
Price: CDN$ 21.99 FREE Delivery

Excellent Soldering Gun with LCD Screen: No need soldering station,
just plug and use. With the temperature control knob and digital
display, you can adjust the temperature from 392? to 842?, read the
temperature clearly, so it is less likely to over heat a circuit
board.

Soldering Iron with ON/OFF Switch: The welding Iron kit with on-off
switch, it is convenience for you to turn it off at anytime when you
don\'t need to use it. At the same time, it can avoid long-time
working, saving energy and ensuring safe welding. The insulating
silica gel cover can effectively protect the iron from overheating.

Heat Up Quickly & Cool Down Fast: The 110 80W soldering iron uses
ceramic heating element, heat up very quickly. Four ventilation
holes are designed on the steel-pipe and bakelite, provide better
heat dissipation, which can extend its lifespan.

A Must-have Soldering Iron Kit: 5PCS different size heads are a
fantastic way to control the amount of solder going into a joint,
which are interchangeable and designed for different types of work,
such as repairing guitar, watch, computer, hardware, TV, etc. It is
widely used for home DIY, soldering projects, welding circuit board,
electric repairing, crafts/jewelry making. Best choice for welding
beginner, welding classroom, basic household toolbox.

Package Included: Soldering Iron x 1, Soldering Iron Tips x 5,
Solder Wire Tube x 1, Tweezers x 1, Iron Stand with Sponge x 1.

https://tinyurl.com/yyjps438

(https://www.amazon.ca/Soldering-Display-Adjustable-Temperature-
Tweezers/dp/B08HCHYQZR/)

Nice bench vise. I\'ll get one of those.

In my experience, you don\'t see beautiful girls in EE

I\'ve known two. One works for me now. She\'s also a flamenco dancer,
and when she gets something to work she gets happy and starts tapping
her feet on the floor. Sounds like a machine gun just down the hall
from my office.

Not like this anyway

https://www.shutterstock.com/image-photo/two-female-scientists-working-laboratory-creating-1266315346

Most people in those photos don\'t look like they actually know how to
solder.

 

[Dean Hoffman]

On 12/7/20 12:37 PM, legg wrote:

On Mon, 07 Dec 2020 15:43:45 GMT, Jan Panteltje
pNaOnStPeAlMtje@yahoo.com> wrote:

On a sunny day (Mon, 07 Dec 2020 09:17:10 -0500) it happened legg
legg@nospam.magma.ca> wrote in <utdssf5kq9bnda9a4fhatklrqvetdvtlbc@4ax.com>:

On Mon, 07 Dec 2020 00:46:07 GMT, Steve Wilson <spam@me.com> wrote:

https://www.amazon.ca/Soldering-Display-Adjustable-Temperature-
Tweezers/dp/B08HCHYQZR

https://tiny.cc/csz4tz


That is a webcam?

https://tiny.cc/nn86tz

Appologies. Can\'t seem to get tinyurl website to copy

RL

There is https://shorturl.com/

 

[legg]

On Mon, 07 Dec 2020 21:59:50 GMT, Steve Wilson <spam@me.com> wrote:

Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com> wrote:

On Mon, 07 Dec 2020 18:20:17 GMT, Steve Wilson <spam@me.com> wrote:

legg <legg@nospam.magma.ca> wrote:
This is the sort of thing that really needs a UL or CSA sticker.

Why? For CDN$21.99, who cares.

That iron runs directly off of the AC power line without an isolating
transformer. That normally requires double insulation, a thermal
fuse, and an overcurrent fuse, none of which I see present. Get the
iron wet, or have the heating element spray NiCr on the insulation,
and you have some AC leakage to the tip. Solder something that\'s
voltage sensitive, and it goes poof.
https://www.google.com/search?q=soldering+iron+leak+voltage+current

You do not normally take a soldering iron into a bathtub. How else are
you going to get it wet.

How is Mikey going to get your equipment wet, when he\'s not even
supposed to go near it? (. . .Is your name Mikey?)

I have never seen NiCr spray anything. The insulation is inside the iron
tip. How is NiCr going to get there. The tip is grounded, so there is no
leakage path to the tip.

Crimped, nicked, kinked or substandard heater wire will arc
spectacularly as it fails on a point of erosion or fracture, so
someday you may see NiCr heater wire failure.

That black stuff you see on the nearby insulation, afterwards? That\'s
gaseous metalization and carbon - but there\'s probably a little ball
of molten heater material rolling around somwhere, if not imbedded
deep in nearby insulation walls.

An ungrounded tip can cause ESD. ESD and leakage are solved by grounding
the tip to line ground (not line neutral) and grounding the circuit under
test. Remember to turn power off before working on the circuit.

ESD build-up is avoided using controlled impedances (~megohms). Shorts
are pretty uncontrolled.

Someday, you\'re going to forget that the power is not turned off. Or
even better, you\'ll learn that the Chinese O/I switch doesn\'t actually
disconect the correct (or even any) power line wire. The clock is
ticking.

I run my soldering irons and other devices from GFCI protected outlet
boxes and adapters:
https://www.homedepot.com/p/Tower-Manufacturing-Corporation-3-Wire-GFC
I-Outlet-Adapter-30439005/202510242> because I don\'t like blowing up
the equipment I\'m trying to repair. It\'s probably overkill and not
really necessay. However, it does get my attention when I plug in a
repair job and it trips the GCFI breaker, which usually means I forgot
to unplug the repair job before soldering.

GCFI only cares about unbalance between line hot and line neutral. If you
are soldering to line hot with a grounded soldering iron tip, you would
get a lot of sparks and damage the circuit. The 25 ms GCFI delay is a
long time for semiconductors.

https://tinyurl.com/y8fq6jdx

GFCIs will trip at much higher-impedance faults than that. The idea is
that this should avoid the zorro-like blind spots that I have burned
on my retinas, obtained on a workbench with multiple safety isolation
features, on an \'off\' day.

The UL sticker doesn\'t
guarantee that you can\'t find a way to kill yourself or burn the labe
down, but it does protect against most of the common failures and
mistakes.

Please note that UL doesn\'t care if the device works as advertised. It
only cares that it will not electrocute the user or set fire to the
lab.

The soldering iron tip is grounded to line ground. It is easy to check
the continuity with a multimeter or DVM.

.. . . until it isn\'t.

If the PID controller fails, the iron will get very hot and you will see
that it has failed.

.. . . . in a dark room, maybe.

Both failures are easy to check by the user. UL doesn\'t catch failures
that occur in normal use after the UL testing.

UL /CSA perform single fault abnormals that might occur, where
unlisted materials, or mis-used listed materials form an intended
safety barrier. So; wire, switches, regulators, plastics, barrier
insulation . . . . It\'s often easier to used listed materials within
their ratings, if approval is intended.

New products can include:

plastics that deform or fail at too low a temperature,
wire insulation ditto,
glass-filled barrier matl ditto.
line cords/connectors ditto,
electrical connections ditto

\"Tell Me Why I Can\'t Do that.\"

It isn\'t \'can\'; it\'s \'based on x decades of numbing stupidity . . .\'.

There is some small reassurance that products from the Chinese
mainland have already been mfrd and sold in gazillion quantities and
have garnered field testing experience in that process - but then you
could just be one of those gazillion test subjects.

Cost of UL approval, amortized over a large volume of successfully
marketed product, would be miniscule. If it don\'t got the mark,
chances are you are participating in a much smaller group of test
subjects.

Anyways, happy soldering.

RL

 

[Steve Wilson]

legg <legg@nospam.magma.ca> wrote:

On Mon, 07 Dec 2020 21:59:50 GMT, Steve Wilson <spam@me.com> wrote:

Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com> wrote:

On Mon, 07 Dec 2020 18:20:17 GMT, Steve Wilson <spam@me.com> wrote:

legg <legg@nospam.magma.ca> wrote:
This is the sort of thing that really needs a UL or CSA sticker.

Why? For CDN$21.99, who cares.

That iron runs directly off of the AC power line without an
isolating transformer. That normally requires double insulation, a
thermal fuse, and an overcurrent fuse, none of which I see present.
Get the iron wet, or have the heating element spray NiCr on the
insulation, and you have some AC leakage to the tip. Solder
something that\'s voltage sensitive, and it goes poof.
https://www.google.com/search?q=soldering+iron+leak+voltage+current

You do not normally take a soldering iron into a bathtub. How else are
you going to get it wet.

How is Mikey going to get your equipment wet, when he\'s not even
supposed to go near it? (. . .Is your name Mikey?)

Steve

I have never seen NiCr spray anything. The insulation is inside the
iron tip. How is NiCr going to get there. The tip is grounded, so
there is no leakage path to the tip.

Crimped, nicked, kinked or substandard heater wire will arc
spectacularly as it fails on a point of erosion or fracture, so
someday you may see NiCr heater wire failure.

That can only occur in the heater, which is inside the soldering iron.
The GFCI will trip limiting further damage.

That black stuff you see on the nearby insulation, afterwards? That\'s
gaseous metalization and carbon - but there\'s probably a little ball
of molten heater material rolling around somwhere, if not imbedded
deep in nearby insulation walls.

You can\'t see inside the soldering iron.

An ungrounded tip can cause ESD. ESD and leakage are solved by
grounding the tip to line ground (not line neutral) and grounding the
circuit under test. Remember to turn power off before working on the
circuit.

ESD build-up is avoided using controlled impedances (~megohms). Shorts
are pretty uncontrolled.

The soldering iron is connected to line ground. When you unplug the
circuit, you still have to ground it to prevent ESD.

Someday, you\'re going to forget that the power is not turned off. Or
even better, you\'ll learn that the Chinese O/I switch doesn\'t actually
disconect the correct (or even any) power line wire. The clock is
ticking.

Unplug it.

I run my soldering irons and other devices from GFCI protected
outlet boxes and adapters:
https://www.homedepot.com/p/Tower-Manufacturing-Corporation-3-Wire-G
FC I-Outlet-Adapter-30439005/202510242> because I don\'t like blowing
up the equipment I\'m trying to repair. It\'s probably overkill and
not really necessay. However, it does get my attention when I plug
in a repair job and it trips the GCFI breaker, which usually means I
forgot to unplug the repair job before soldering.

If you are so distracted or tired you forget ordinary safety precautions,
get some rest.

GCFI only cares about unbalance between line hot and line neutral. If
you are soldering to line hot with a grounded soldering iron tip, you
would get a lot of sparks and damage the circuit. The 25 ms GCFI delay
is a long time for semiconductors.

https://tinyurl.com/y8fq6jdx

GFCIs will trip at much higher-impedance faults than that. The idea is
that this should avoid the zorro-like blind spots that I have burned
on my retinas, obtained on a workbench with multiple safety isolation
features, on an \'off\' day.

GFCI trips at 5 mA unbalance. You save your eyes, but the circuit is
still damaged.

The UL sticker doesn\'t
guarantee that you can\'t find a way to kill yourself or burn the
labe down, but it does protect against most of the common failures
and mistakes.

Please note that UL doesn\'t care if the device works as advertised.
It only cares that it will not electrocute the user or set fire to
the lab.

The soldering iron tip is grounded to line ground. It is easy to check
the continuity with a multimeter or DVM.

. . . until it isn\'t.

That\'s the reason for checking. You do it more than once.

If the PID controller fails, the iron will get very hot and you will
see that it has failed.

. . . . in a dark room, maybe.

As soon as you try to solder. You know how the iron normally works. If
the PID controller fails, you will certainly see that it behaves
differently.

Both failures are easy to check by the user. UL doesn\'t catch failures
that occur in normal use after the UL testing.

UL /CSA perform single fault abnormals that might occur, where
unlisted materials, or mis-used listed materials form an intended
safety barrier. So; wire, switches, regulators, plastics, barrier
insulation . . . . It\'s often easier to used listed materials within
their ratings, if approval is intended.

New products can include:

plastics that deform or fail at too low a temperature,
wire insulation ditto,
glass-filled barrier matl ditto.
line cords/connectors ditto,
electrical connections ditto

\"Tell Me Why I Can\'t Do that.\"

It isn\'t \'can\'; it\'s \'based on x decades of numbing stupidity . . .\'.

There is some small reassurance that products from the Chinese
mainland have already been mfrd and sold in gazillion quantities and
have garnered field testing experience in that process - but then you
could just be one of those gazillion test subjects.

Cost of UL approval, amortized over a large volume of successfully
marketed product, would be miniscule. If it don\'t got the mark,
chances are you are participating in a much smaller group of test
subjects.

UL approval does not cover faults after testing. The soldering iron does
not have plastics that melt. It is designed to get hot, so the materials
are chosen to survive the temperature.

UL approval is not needed. It offers no protection against failures down
the road.

Anyways, happy soldering.

RL

--
Science teaches us to trust. - sw

 

[Tom Del Rosso]

jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

Nice bench vise. I\'ll get one of those.

The \"Stanz\" helping hands thing with aligator clips?

Dollar Tree has book lights with a big plastic clip at one end of a
gooseneck light. Pull off the light, secure the gooseneck to a plastic
chopping board, and the plastic clip sticking up at the end does a good
job with more flexibility and reach. Plastic jaws don\'t scratch, and are
non-conductive. You can make one with as many hands as you need on any
size chopping board.

 

[Jeff Liebermann]

On Mon, 07 Dec 2020 21:59:50 GMT, Steve Wilson <spam@me.com> wrote:

You do not normally take a soldering iron into a bathtub. How else are
you going to get it wet.

I have a shower but no bathtub. The shower is made from painted sheet
steel, as in a school gym locker room. It\'s almost as good a ground
as the average cast iron bathtub. I actually have done some soldering
in the shower while building an LED water temperature thermometer.
However, my Weller TC201 iron did not get very wet. Note that the
Weller runs on 24VAC and is transformer isolated from the 117VAC main
power.

In the past, I designed marine radios. Field tests and environment
oven tests were regular events. There were times when literally
everything, including me, were wet. I made it habit of carrying 12V
soldering irons.

>I have never seen NiCr spray anything.

You probably haven\'t had a hot air gun inhale some loose steel wool.
The Nichrome acted something like a common fuse and sprayed metal
everywhere. My guess is about 75% steel and 25% NiCr.

>The insulation is inside the iron tip.

Are you sure? As I recall, the base of the tip is hollow. Into the
tip fits a ceramic rod that goes into the barrel of the iron and
connects to the heating element and temperature sensor.
<https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/714kFQ%2BlcOL._AC_SL1500_.jpg>
Unless I\'m missing something, there\'s an electrical connection from
the tip, through the barrel sleeve, through the nut, through a metal
tube, and into the handle of the iron. I have no clue where it goes
from there.

How is NiCr going to get there. The tip is grounded, so there is no
leakage path to the tip.

I carry an AC line tester with me on service calls:
<https://www.amazon.com/Power-Gear-Receptacle-Indications-50542/dp/B002LZTKIA>
It\'s amazing how many miswired AC power strips, home made extension
cords, and broken protective ground pins I find. I recently did an
impromptu inspection of a friends house and garage workshop, and found
a few wiring problems. He thanked me and asked if I had tested my own
hose. I hadn\'t. So I went home and found 2 outlets that I had
miswired. Oops.

I don\'t know what is inside the iron as a heater and am guessing that
it\'s a NiCr wire heater. It might be a ceramic heating element (NiCr
wire encapsulated in MgO (magnesium oxide) ceramic) which is safer.

An ungrounded tip can cause ESD. ESD and leakage are solved by grounding
the tip to line ground (not line neutral) and grounding the circuit under
test. Remember to turn power off before working on the circuit.

Trust, but verify. I just checked my ancient Weller TC202 soldering
iron and base with an ohmmeter.
<https://www.google.com/search?q=weller+tc202&tbm=isch>
About 700 ohms from tip to protective ground pin. The tip isn\'t
grounded by design:
<https://www.eevblog.com/forum/repair/please-help-an-idiot-fix-his-soldering-iron/>
According to the specs, the tip voltage to gnd is less than 2mv:
<https://neurophysics.ucsd.edu/Manuals/Weller%20Tech/Weller%20Tech%20Sheet%20WTCPR.pdf>
Ground? What ground?

GCFI only cares about unbalance between line hot and line neutral. If you
are soldering to line hot with a grounded soldering iron tip, you would
get a lot of sparks and damage the circuit. The 25 ms GCFI delay is a
long time for semiconductors.

That\'s why I like a tip with a resistor to ground. The resistor
drains any static charge, but eliminates the fireworks light show
should the tip hit a power bus.

The soldering iron tip is grounded to line ground. It is easy to check
the continuity with a multimeter or DVM.

Done. See my comments up 2 paragraphs.

If the PID controller fails, the iron will get very hot and you will see
that it has failed.

I haven\'t had the mechanical thermostat fail on my Weller. The
contacts might need to be cleaned every few years, but everything else
seems to hold together. However, when Weller switched to an all solid
state controller, things were quite different. After my 3rd failure,
I gave up on the soldering iron. Sorry, I forgot the model number.

Both failures are easy to check by the user. UL doesn\'t catch failures
that occur in normal use after the UL testing.

Again, they don\'t care if the device works or doesn\'t work as long as
it doesn\'t kill the user or torch the laboratory.



--
Jeff Liebermann jeffl@cruzio.com
150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

 

[Rick C]

On Monday, December 7, 2020 at 9:45:21 PM UTC-5, Tom Del Rosso wrote:

jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

Nice bench vise. I\'ll get one of those.
The \"Stanz\" helping hands thing with aligator clips?

Dollar Tree has book lights with a big plastic clip at one end of a
gooseneck light. Pull off the light, secure the gooseneck to a plastic
chopping board, and the plastic clip sticking up at the end does a good
job with more flexibility and reach. Plastic jaws don\'t scratch, and are
non-conductive. You can make one with as many hands as you need on any
size chopping board.

I think he was talking about the one that looks amazingly like actual hands complete with polished nails. Might be Japanese from one of those sex doll factories.

--

Rick C.

+ Get 1,000 miles of free Supercharging
+ Tesla referral code - https://ts.la/richard11209

 

[Jan Panteltje]

On a sunny day (Mon, 07 Dec 2020 13:37:43 -0500) it happened legg
<legg@nospam.magma.ca> wrote in <dftssftfe2tdir1qseti6gqpc0ate3se9v@4ax.com>:

On Mon, 07 Dec 2020 15:43:45 GMT, Jan Panteltje
pNaOnStPeAlMtje@yahoo.com> wrote:

On a sunny day (Mon, 07 Dec 2020 09:17:10 -0500) it happened legg
legg@nospam.magma.ca> wrote in <utdssf5kq9bnda9a4fhatklrqvetdvtlbc@4ax.com>:

On Mon, 07 Dec 2020 00:46:07 GMT, Steve Wilson <spam@me.com> wrote:

https://www.amazon.ca/Soldering-Display-Adjustable-Temperature-
Tweezers/dp/B08HCHYQZR

https://tiny.cc/csz4tz


That is a webcam?

https://tiny.cc/nn86tz

OK, well for the hobbyist who needs to solder some connectors and things like that
it is probably a good deal.
But any directly on the mains iron would keep me away from my electrostatic sensitive semiconductors.
What do they mean by \'ceramic core induction technology\'?
For that money buy one and take it apart ?

 

[Lasse Langwadt Christensen]

mandag den 7. december 2020 kl. 03.37.28 UTC+1 skrev jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com:

On Mon, 07 Dec 2020 00:46:07 GMT, Steve Wilson <sp...@me.com> wrote:

Amazon has a new soldering iron for CDN$ 21.99. It has the temperature
control and LCD tip temperature in the handle. I have collected many
soldering irons over the years, but this is the best. You can find it on
Amazon.

Here is the info:

Soldering Iron with LCD Screen Display, Adjustable Temperature
Welding Tool with ON-Off Switch, Soldering Tips, Solder Wire,
Tweezers, Stand and Sponge (80W, 110V)

Brand: KLARYTYMA
4.3 out of 5 stars 41 ratings
Price: CDN$ 21.99 FREE Delivery

Excellent Soldering Gun with LCD Screen: No need soldering station,
just plug and use. With the temperature control knob and digital
display, you can adjust the temperature from 392? to 842?, read the
temperature clearly, so it is less likely to over heat a circuit
board.

Soldering Iron with ON/OFF Switch: The welding Iron kit with on-off
switch, it is convenience for you to turn it off at anytime when you
don\'t need to use it. At the same time, it can avoid long-time
working, saving energy and ensuring safe welding. The insulating
silica gel cover can effectively protect the iron from overheating.

Heat Up Quickly & Cool Down Fast: The 110 80W soldering iron uses
ceramic heating element, heat up very quickly. Four ventilation
holes are designed on the steel-pipe and bakelite, provide better
heat dissipation, which can extend its lifespan.

A Must-have Soldering Iron Kit: 5PCS different size heads are a
fantastic way to control the amount of solder going into a joint,
which are interchangeable and designed for different types of work,
such as repairing guitar, watch, computer, hardware, TV, etc. It is
widely used for home DIY, soldering projects, welding circuit board,
electric repairing, crafts/jewelry making. Best choice for welding
beginner, welding classroom, basic household toolbox.

Package Included: Soldering Iron x 1, Soldering Iron Tips x 5,
Solder Wire Tube x 1, Tweezers x 1, Iron Stand with Sponge x 1.

https://tinyurl.com/yyjps438

(https://www.amazon.ca/Soldering-Display-Adjustable-Temperature-
Tweezers/dp/B08HCHYQZR/)
Nice bench vise. I\'ll get one of those.

did you mean vice?

 

[Lasse Langwadt Christensen]

mandag den 7. december 2020 kl. 03.37.28 UTC+1 skrev jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com:

On Mon, 07 Dec 2020 00:46:07 GMT, Steve Wilson <sp...@me.com> wrote:

Amazon has a new soldering iron for CDN$ 21.99. It has the temperature
control and LCD tip temperature in the handle. I have collected many
soldering irons over the years, but this is the best. You can find it on
Amazon.

Here is the info:

Soldering Iron with LCD Screen Display, Adjustable Temperature
Welding Tool with ON-Off Switch, Soldering Tips, Solder Wire,
Tweezers, Stand and Sponge (80W, 110V)

Brand: KLARYTYMA
4.3 out of 5 stars 41 ratings
Price: CDN$ 21.99 FREE Delivery

Excellent Soldering Gun with LCD Screen: No need soldering station,
just plug and use. With the temperature control knob and digital
display, you can adjust the temperature from 392? to 842?, read the
temperature clearly, so it is less likely to over heat a circuit
board.

Soldering Iron with ON/OFF Switch: The welding Iron kit with on-off
switch, it is convenience for you to turn it off at anytime when you
don\'t need to use it. At the same time, it can avoid long-time
working, saving energy and ensuring safe welding. The insulating
silica gel cover can effectively protect the iron from overheating.

Heat Up Quickly & Cool Down Fast: The 110 80W soldering iron uses
ceramic heating element, heat up very quickly. Four ventilation
holes are designed on the steel-pipe and bakelite, provide better
heat dissipation, which can extend its lifespan.

A Must-have Soldering Iron Kit: 5PCS different size heads are a
fantastic way to control the amount of solder going into a joint,
which are interchangeable and designed for different types of work,
such as repairing guitar, watch, computer, hardware, TV, etc. It is
widely used for home DIY, soldering projects, welding circuit board,
electric repairing, crafts/jewelry making. Best choice for welding
beginner, welding classroom, basic household toolbox.

Package Included: Soldering Iron x 1, Soldering Iron Tips x 5,
Solder Wire Tube x 1, Tweezers x 1, Iron Stand with Sponge x 1.

https://tinyurl.com/yyjps438

(https://www.amazon.ca/Soldering-Display-Adjustable-Temperature-
Tweezers/dp/B08HCHYQZR/)
Nice bench vise. I\'ll get one of those.

did you mean vice?