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On Monday, January 24, 2022 at 5:08:34 PM UTC-8, John Larkin wrote:
On Tue, 25 Jan 2022 00:40:00 +0000, Tom Gardner
spam...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
On 24/01/22 22:37, John Larkin wrote:
On Tue, 18 Jan 2022 08:25:06 -0800 (PST), Ed Lee <edward....@gmail.com
wrote:
For Maximum EV Efficiency, Stick to 25 Miles an Hour, Ignore Angry Drivers
and POLICE.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/ev-electric-car-battery-charge-hypermiler-11642517385
I was driving around 40 MPH on right lane of a highway (speed limit unknown)
and got pull over for driving too slow. I told him that i was running low
on >> charges and won\'t make it to the charger any faster. He escort me for a
little while and left.
Walking is becoming a hazard too. This is two cases in a single block:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/gi14nqa2hqej6vi/Charging_1.jpg?raw=1
https://www.dropbox.com/s/zehxbz00u2qxb8t/Charging_2.jpg?raw=1
Somebody tried that not too far from me, in a conservation area
full of houses converted into flats.
He gave it up as impractical, and sold his EV.
In the first pic one might ask why he didn\'t pull the car into his
garage to charge it.
Leave the link for at least something like this:
https://www.staples.com/Staples-6-Cord-Cover-Gray/product_2093411
On Monday, January 24, 2022 at 8:15:11 PM UTC-5, Ed Lee wrote:
https://www.staples.com/Staples-6-Cord-Cover-Gray/product_2093411?ci_src=17588969&ci_sku=2093411&KPID=2093411&cid=PS:GS:RE:RP:NB:FALSE:TXT:SV:Open:1679103750:60732599210:&gclid=Cj0KCQiAubmPBhCyARIsAJWNpiMadxS2tLTGqsdVmcHcdF9d0i_f_xykuobK7qdzedRg8bxEb1sN39MaAv9gEALw_wcB
Funny how they add these insanely long random codes to URLs. This works just as well. Anyone know what they are doing?
https://www.staples.com/Staples-6-Cord-Cover-Gray/product_2093411
What, spend almost $15 to be a good neighbor?
The owner of that car was in a bad mood, having to pay for
electricity. For some odd reason he couldn\'t use a free charging
station.
John Larkin <jlarkin@highland_atwork_technology.com> wrote in
news:cdauugh6aruictihj...@4ax.com:
On Tue, 18 Jan 2022 08:25:06 -0800 (PST), Ed Lee
edward....@gmail.com> wrote:
For Maximum EV Efficiency, Stick to 25 Miles an Hour, Ignore Angry
Drivers and POLICE.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/ev-electric-car-battery-charge-hypermi
ler-11642517385
I was driving around 40 MPH on right lane of a highway (speed
limit unknown) and got pull over for driving too slow. I told him
that i was running low on charges and won\'t make it to the charger
any faster. He escort me for a little while and left.
Walking is becoming a hazard too. This is two cases in a single
block:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/gi14nqa2hqej6vi/Charging_1.jpg?raw=1
https://www.dropbox.com/s/zehxbz00u2qxb8t/Charging_2.jpg?raw=1
The second one is not an EV. He is charging his batteries and the
second cord is to make use of power while the circuit normally
connecte to the batteries is offline.
The first one says to me that the guy stuffed his garage full of
something other than a bare spot for his car to sit on. If it is
another car, that is the one to park on the street. Unless it is a
\'fancy car\' or such.
It would seem that a structure of two beams would make a device
that carries the cord above the sidewalk and drops it down to the
car. And the top ,ount and car mount hold it rigid (enough).
I think there is a product there. Big, soft, valved suction cup
for the end that goes down to the car and a hard mounted \"jack\" up on
the wall for the top beam to \"plug\" into. One could even incorporate
the cord for specific vehicles into it. My idea. You saw and read
about it here first.
And oh looky, no longer a code violation!
On 2022-01-25, Ed Lee <edward....@gmail.com> wrote:
On Monday, January 24, 2022 at 5:08:34 PM UTC-8, John Larkin wrote:
On Tue, 25 Jan 2022 00:40:00 +0000, Tom Gardner
spam...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
On 24/01/22 22:37, John Larkin wrote:
On Tue, 18 Jan 2022 08:25:06 -0800 (PST), Ed Lee <edward....@gmail.com
wrote:
For Maximum EV Efficiency, Stick to 25 Miles an Hour, Ignore Angry Drivers
and POLICE.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/ev-electric-car-battery-charge-hypermiler-11642517385
I was driving around 40 MPH on right lane of a highway (speed limit unknown)
and got pull over for driving too slow. I told him that i was running low
on >> charges and won\'t make it to the charger any faster. He escort me for a
little while and left.
Walking is becoming a hazard too. This is two cases in a single block:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/gi14nqa2hqej6vi/Charging_1.jpg?raw=1
https://www.dropbox.com/s/zehxbz00u2qxb8t/Charging_2.jpg?raw=1
Somebody tried that not too far from me, in a conservation area
full of houses converted into flats.
He gave it up as impractical, and sold his EV.
In the first pic one might ask why he didn\'t pull the car into his
garage to charge it.
Leave the link for at least something like this:
https://www.staples.com/Staples-6-Cord-Cover-Gray/product_2093411
yeah, but pick one that\'s actually large enough to fit the cable.
On 25/01/2022 04:52, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
What, spend almost $15 to be a good neighbor?
The owner of that car was in a bad mood, having to pay for
electricity. For some odd reason he couldn\'t use a free charging
station.
There\'s no such thing as a \"free charging station\". There might be
circumstances where you get someone else to pay for it, but it is /not/
free.
On Tuesday, January 25, 2022 at 4:26:52 AM UTC-4, David Brown wrote:
On 25/01/2022 04:52, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
What, spend almost $15 to be a good neighbor?
The owner of that car was in a bad mood, having to pay for
electricity. For some odd reason he couldn\'t use a free charging
station.
There\'s no such thing as a \"free charging station\". There might be
circumstances where you get someone else to pay for it, but it is /not/
free.
What a silly point. Applying your thought to every use of the word \"free\" would allow us to eliminate the word \"free\" from the dictionary! (along with many other words)
On Monday, January 24, 2022 at 6:39:26 AM UTC-5, Martin Brown wrote:
On 21/01/2022 23:31, Rick C wrote:
On Friday, January 21, 2022 at 6:24:41 AM UTC-5, Martin Brown wrote:
[snip]
https://www.yorkpress.co.uk/news/19555455.vehicle-charging-hub-york-still-shut---no-power/
First three sentences quoted verbatim below in case it is paywalled from
outside the UK:
\"A FLAGSHIP charging centre for electric vehicles - originally due to
open on Yorkâs outskirts in July - is still fenced off and closed
following delays in connecting it to the electricity grid.
Council officials said yesterday that they were still finalising
commercial and contractual arrangements before the York HyperHub at
Monks Cross could open later this year.
The complex, situated at the entrance to the Monks Cross Park&Ride car
park, will be one of the largest charging hubs in Northern England and
will aim to act as a demonstration of best practice for the design of EV
charging facilities.\"
I find the last paragraph particularly ironic. It still *isn\'t* open and
had another high profile *not*opening date pass very recently.
Where does that say anything about \"tariffs\"???
WTF do you think finalising commercial and contractual arrangements
means? The whole thing got bogged down because the price of electricity
was changing so fast that many suppliers were going bust.
The article says nothing about that. Sorry, appeal rejected. Do you have any evidence of what you wrote about the issue being pricing?
I am not. EU development funds and a greenish council not very brightSee, I have a hard time imagining a business spending a boatload of money on a project before they had the details ironed out. If you don\'t know what you have to pay for electricity, you can\'t know if your venture will be profitable. Who is going to sink a couple of million dollars into a venture before they know how profitable it will be... oh, I know! The UK nuclear power industry!!! Now they are talking about making the rate payers partners, not in the profits, but in the cost overruns. Yeah, a great business community.
They don\'t actually \"spell out\" anything. \"were still finalizing commercial and contractual arrangements\" is as close as they come. That could mean anything.
It means they can\'t agree who pays for what and an acceptable tariff for
electricity supply. It is in the interests of the supplier to hold out
since the price of electricity is rising by the day.
Show me how that follows? Why would anyone start construction before such fundamental details are spelled out? They wouldn\'t.
Domestic consumers are protected (for now) by a price cap. When it runs
out in April (or their supplier goes bust) there will be a massive
readjustement of +50% perhaps more.
In the US local utility rates are regulated by local boards, usually at the state level. Generation is a competitive matter with the freedom to buy from whom you want. I don\'t know exactly how they do things in the UK, but if they didn\'t have electrical supply lined up prior to constructing the facility, that is simply incompetent program management.
Quite probably a bit of both. But as things stand UK electricity
suppliers with very few exceptions have *NO* generating capacity at all
- they are clueless middlemen billing operations. Wonderful effect of
deregulation of the electricity market.
Not at all relevant to the issue of arranging electrical power.
It is roughly split into the people who make it, the regional
infrastructure operators and the people who bulk buy electricity and
sell it on. Many of the latter were also operating on the spot market
and so have been comprehensively wiped out by the gas price shocks.
If you read back though this discussion you have made unsupported statements several times and never followed through on demonstrating they are true. Now you cite an article that says what I said it said, they are finalizing \"legal agreements\", which you somehow interpret is setting tariffs, otherwise known as rates. This started with you claiming chargers were \"unable to get supply\". That\'s not the same thing as they were too incompetent to line up the electrical source before they started construction.
They remain unable to get supply. That is pretty damn fundamental.
So you claim. \"were still finalizing commercial and contractual arrangements\" does not imply anything about supply.
....
The only suppliers operating on a sound financial basis in the UK at
present have either nuclear or hydro as well as gas generating capacity
in their portfolio and are cross subsidising the loss making retail arm
from that. Industry is screaming blue murder they pay full price.
On 25/01/2022 09:58, Rick C wrote:
On Tuesday, January 25, 2022 at 4:26:52 AM UTC-4, David Brown wrote:
On 25/01/2022 04:52, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
What, spend almost $15 to be a good neighbor?
The owner of that car was in a bad mood, having to pay for
electricity. For some odd reason he couldn\'t use a free charging
station.
There\'s no such thing as a \"free charging station\". There might be
circumstances where you get someone else to pay for it, but it is /not/
free.
What a silly point. Applying your thought to every use of the word \"free\" would allow us to eliminate the word \"free\" from the dictionary! (along with many other words)
Perhaps I misunderstood John Larkin\'s comment here. I took his \"free\"
to mean \"zero cost\" - some people /do/ get zero-cost car charging at
their place of work, and then it is quite relevant that it is paid for
by your employer. It is also relevant that most people do not have
access to zero-cost charging - precisely because /someone/ has to pay
for it, and it\'s not cheap.
But maybe he wrote \"free\" meaning \"not occupied\".
On 2022-01-25, Ed Lee <edward.ming.lee@gmail.com> wrote:
On Monday, January 24, 2022 at 5:08:34 PM UTC-8, John Larkin wrote:
On Tue, 25 Jan 2022 00:40:00 +0000, Tom Gardner
spam...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
On 24/01/22 22:37, John Larkin wrote:
On Tue, 18 Jan 2022 08:25:06 -0800 (PST), Ed Lee <edward....@gmail.com
wrote:
For Maximum EV Efficiency, Stick to 25 Miles an Hour, Ignore Angry Drivers
and POLICE.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/ev-electric-car-battery-charge-hypermiler-11642517385
I was driving around 40 MPH on right lane of a highway (speed limit unknown)
and got pull over for driving too slow. I told him that i was running low
on >> charges and won\'t make it to the charger any faster. He escort me for a
little while and left.
Walking is becoming a hazard too. This is two cases in a single block:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/gi14nqa2hqej6vi/Charging_1.jpg?raw=1
https://www.dropbox.com/s/zehxbz00u2qxb8t/Charging_2.jpg?raw=1
Somebody tried that not too far from me, in a conservation area
full of houses converted into flats.
He gave it up as impractical, and sold his EV.
In the first pic one might ask why he didn\'t pull the car into his
garage to charge it.
Leave the link for at least something like this:
https://www.staples.com/Staples-6-Cord-Cover-Gray/product_2093411
yeah, but pick one that\'s actually large enough to fit the cable.
what do the rules say about parking in that spot anyway?
On Tue, 25 Jan 2022 14:02:58 +0100, David Brown
david.brown@hesbynett.no> wrote:
On 25/01/2022 09:58, Rick C wrote:
On Tuesday, January 25, 2022 at 4:26:52 AM UTC-4, David Brown wrote:
On 25/01/2022 04:52, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
What, spend almost $15 to be a good neighbor?
The owner of that car was in a bad mood, having to pay for
electricity. For some odd reason he couldn\'t use a free charging
station.
There\'s no such thing as a \"free charging station\". There might be
circumstances where you get someone else to pay for it, but it is /not/
free.
What a silly point. Applying your thought to every use of the word \"free\" would allow us to eliminate the word \"free\" from the dictionary! (along with many other words)
Perhaps I misunderstood John Larkin\'s comment here. I took his \"free\"
to mean \"zero cost\" - some people /do/ get zero-cost car charging at
their place of work, and then it is quite relevant that it is paid for
by your employer. It is also relevant that most people do not have
access to zero-cost charging - precisely because /someone/ has to pay
for it, and it\'s not cheap.
But maybe he wrote \"free\" meaning \"not occupied\".
You furriners don\'t understand perfectly good American. It should be a
required college course in your distant lands.
On 25/01/2022 17:15, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Tue, 25 Jan 2022 14:02:58 +0100, David Brown
david.brown@hesbynett.no> wrote:
On 25/01/2022 09:58, Rick C wrote:
On Tuesday, January 25, 2022 at 4:26:52 AM UTC-4, David Brown wrote:
On 25/01/2022 04:52, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
What, spend almost $15 to be a good neighbor?
The owner of that car was in a bad mood, having to pay for
electricity. For some odd reason he couldn\'t use a free charging
station.
There\'s no such thing as a \"free charging station\". There might be
circumstances where you get someone else to pay for it, but it is /not/
free.
What a silly point. Applying your thought to every use of the word \"free\" would allow us to eliminate the word \"free\" from the dictionary! (along with many other words)
Perhaps I misunderstood John Larkin\'s comment here. I took his \"free\"
to mean \"zero cost\" - some people /do/ get zero-cost car charging at
their place of work, and then it is quite relevant that it is paid for
by your employer. It is also relevant that most people do not have
access to zero-cost charging - precisely because /someone/ has to pay
for it, and it\'s not cheap.
But maybe he wrote \"free\" meaning \"not occupied\".
You furriners don\'t understand perfectly good American. It should be a
required college course in your distant lands.
I can usually understand most of what \'merkins write, though I cannot
understand why you want to wear your pants on the outside, or use such
half-hearted swear words. (Except Samuel Jackson - he\'s got the hang of
it!)
On 25/01/2022 09:58, Rick C wrote:
On Tuesday, January 25, 2022 at 4:26:52 AM UTC-4, David Brown wrote:
On 25/01/2022 04:52, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
What, spend almost $15 to be a good neighbor?
The owner of that car was in a bad mood, having to pay for
electricity. For some odd reason he couldn\'t use a free charging
station.
There\'s no such thing as a \"free charging station\". There might be
circumstances where you get someone else to pay for it, but it is /not/
free.
What a silly point. Applying your thought to every use of the word \"free\" would allow us to eliminate the word \"free\" from the dictionary! (along with many other words)
Perhaps I misunderstood John Larkin\'s comment here. I took his \"free\"
to mean \"zero cost\" - some people /do/ get zero-cost car charging at
their place of work, and then it is quite relevant that it is paid for
by your employer. It is also relevant that most people do not have
access to zero-cost charging - precisely because /someone/ has to pay
for it, and it\'s not cheap.
But maybe he wrote \"free\" meaning \"not occupied\".
On 24/01/2022 15:39, Rick C wrote:
On Monday, January 24, 2022 at 6:39:26 AM UTC-5, Martin Brown wrote:
On 21/01/2022 23:31, Rick C wrote:
On Friday, January 21, 2022 at 6:24:41 AM UTC-5, Martin Brown wrote:
[snip]
https://www.yorkpress.co.uk/news/19555455.vehicle-charging-hub-york-still-shut---no-power/
First three sentences quoted verbatim below in case it is paywalled from
outside the UK:
\"A FLAGSHIP charging centre for electric vehicles - originally due to
open on Yorkâs outskirts in July - is still fenced off and closed
following delays in connecting it to the electricity grid.
Council officials said yesterday that they were still finalising
commercial and contractual arrangements before the York HyperHub at
Monks Cross could open later this year.
The complex, situated at the entrance to the Monks Cross Park&Ride car
park, will be one of the largest charging hubs in Northern England and
will aim to act as a demonstration of best practice for the design of EV
charging facilities.\"
I find the last paragraph particularly ironic. It still *isn\'t* open and
had another high profile *not*opening date pass very recently.
Where does that say anything about \"tariffs\"???
WTF do you think finalising commercial and contractual arrangements
means? The whole thing got bogged down because the price of electricity
was changing so fast that many suppliers were going bust.
The article says nothing about that. Sorry, appeal rejected. Do you have any evidence of what you wrote about the issue being pricing?
That the gas price to produce electricity in the UK has increased
massively +300% in the past 6 months and energy \"suppliers\" are going
bust left right and centre. They are tight lipped about the exact
reasons why they do not have electrical supply to their boondoggle but
it was due to come into service last June and has just failed to open
yet again!
See, I have a hard time imagining a business spending a boatload of money on a project before they had the details ironed out. If you don\'t know what you have to pay for electricity, you can\'t know if your venture will be profitable. Who is going to sink a couple of million dollars into a venture before they know how profitable it will be... oh, I know! The UK nuclear power industry!!! Now they are talking about making the rate payers partners, not in the profits, but in the cost overruns. Yeah, a great business community.
I am not. EU development funds and a greenish council not very bright
about high technology is a recipe for this sort of thing to happen.
https://www.york.gov.uk/hyperhubs
Note that they were claiming at the outset to sell electricity by the
kWh at 20p (fast) and 25p (superfast) when it was announced. It is no
longer clear if there will be anyone willing to sell to them at that
price or right now enough electricity for it to function at all.
They don\'t actually \"spell out\" anything. \"were still finalizing commercial and contractual arrangements\" is as close as they come. That could mean anything.
It means they can\'t agree who pays for what and an acceptable tariff for
electricity supply. It is in the interests of the supplier to hold out
since the price of electricity is rising by the day.
Show me how that follows? Why would anyone start construction before such fundamental details are spelled out? They wouldn\'t.
They already have done. That or their preferred cheapest possible
electricity supplier has already gone to the wall. Suppliers going bust
has thrown many UK households thrown into a pool where some other larger
supplier takes over supply gives them a much less favourable variable
tariff that more nearly reflects current price to supply.
(even then they are all losing money hand over fist right now)
Almost no electricity supply companies can make any money on domestic
sale of electricity. The cost to make electricity (apart from hydro) is
higher than the capped retail sale price to consumers. It is a mad house!
The only suppliers operating on a sound financial basis in the UK at
present have either nuclear or hydro as well as gas generating capacity
in their portfolio and are cross subsidising the loss making retail arm
from that. Industry is screaming blue murder they pay full price.
Those that merely buy and sell gas/electricity are failing spectacularly
and it isn\'t over yet. A few more go down with each week that passes.
They won\'t get a chance to up their capped prices until April now.
Domestic consumers are protected (for now) by a price cap. When it runs
out in April (or their supplier goes bust) there will be a massive
readjustement of +50% perhaps more.
In the US local utility rates are regulated by local boards, usually at the state level. Generation is a competitive matter with the freedom to buy from whom you want. I don\'t know exactly how they do things in the UK, but if they didn\'t have electrical supply lined up prior to constructing the facility, that is simply incompetent program management.
Quite probably a bit of both. But as things stand UK electricity
suppliers with very few exceptions have *NO* generating capacity at all
- they are clueless middlemen billing operations. Wonderful effect of
deregulation of the electricity market.
Not at all relevant to the issue of arranging electrical power.
Actually it is critical to arranging electrical power. You have to buy
it from someone who is still in business when the hardware is complete.
There have been so many failures in the UK supply industry that it has
become chaotic - especially if you want the lowest possible price.
https://www.forbes.com/uk/advisor/energy/failed-uk-energy-suppliers-update/
It is the lowest cost box shifters that have failed first.
It is roughly split into the people who make it, the regional
infrastructure operators and the people who bulk buy electricity and
sell it on. Many of the latter were also operating on the spot market
and so have been comprehensively wiped out by the gas price shocks.
If you read back though this discussion you have made unsupported statements several times and never followed through on demonstrating they are true. Now you cite an article that says what I said it said, they are finalizing \"legal agreements\", which you somehow interpret is setting tariffs, otherwise known as rates. This started with you claiming chargers were \"unable to get supply\". That\'s not the same thing as they were too incompetent to line up the electrical source before they started construction.
They remain unable to get supply. That is pretty damn fundamental.
So you claim. \"were still finalizing commercial and contractual arrangements\" does not imply anything about supply.
So why has it taken the so long? The physical kit was all installed for
the opening last June but then it was cancelled with a few days notice
and rescheduled for this month. Then it was cancelled with a few days
notice. Rinse and repeat. Some exemplar of how to do a superhub!
On 1/25/2022 16:27, Martin Brown wrote:
....
The only suppliers operating on a sound financial basis in the UK at
present have either nuclear or hydro as well as gas generating capacity
in their portfolio and are cross subsidising the loss making retail arm
from that. Industry is screaming blue murder they pay full price.
This is quickly becoming a worldwide disaster, after decades of playing
with subsidized windmills, rooftops and other nonsense instead of
building enough nuclear what else could we expect.
In Bulgaria, they are \"building\" a second nuclear plant for over 30
years now, must have spent zillions on \"consulting\" to practically
zero results, other than ongoing wrestling who is to build it.
Consequently an energy crisis.
On Tuesday, January 25, 2022 at 11:43:24 AM UTC-4, Dimiter Popoff wrote:
On 1/25/2022 16:27, Martin Brown wrote:
....
The only suppliers operating on a sound financial basis in the UK at
present have either nuclear or hydro as well as gas generating capacity
in their portfolio and are cross subsidising the loss making retail arm
from that. Industry is screaming blue murder they pay full price.
This is quickly becoming a worldwide disaster, after decades of playing
with subsidized windmills, rooftops and other nonsense instead of
building enough nuclear what else could we expect.
In Bulgaria, they are \"building\" a second nuclear plant for over 30
years now, must have spent zillions on \"consulting\" to practically
zero results, other than ongoing wrestling who is to build it.
Consequently an energy crisis.
So you think nuclear is the solution to the energy problem other than the fact that it is prohibitively expensive to build it?
In the UK the present nuclear generation plant being built is not going to return the profit the money bags expected. So in the future the UK government is going to allow them to pass all risk to the rate payers and they can plan and build nuclear projects as inefficiently as they wish!
Yes, what a grand idea!
Anthony William Sloman <bill....@ieee.org> wrote:
With the right working fluid, and the right design, heat pumps can work
anywhere or at least anywhere where anybody lives.
Dear Dumbass, go ahead and name two brands of heatpumps that provide at least
100kBTU of heating capacity with outdoor temps of negative F. Be sure to hand
over the name of the authorized installers... zip code 60601.
On 1/25/2022 23:19, Rick C wrote:
On Tuesday, January 25, 2022 at 11:43:24 AM UTC-4, Dimiter Popoff wrote:
On 1/25/2022 16:27, Martin Brown wrote:
....
The only suppliers operating on a sound financial basis in the UK at
present have either nuclear or hydro as well as gas generating capacity
in their portfolio and are cross subsidising the loss making retail arm
from that. Industry is screaming blue murder they pay full price.
This is quickly becoming a worldwide disaster, after decades of playing
with subsidized windmills, rooftops and other nonsense instead of
building enough nuclear what else could we expect.
In Bulgaria, they are \"building\" a second nuclear plant for over 30
years now, must have spent zillions on \"consulting\" to practically
zero results, other than ongoing wrestling who is to build it.
Consequently an energy crisis.
So you think nuclear is the solution to the energy problem other than the fact that it is prohibitively expensive to build it?
In the UK the present nuclear generation plant being built is not going to return the profit the money bags expected. So in the future the UK government is going to allow them to pass all risk to the rate payers and they can plan and build nuclear projects as inefficiently as they wish!
Yes, what a grand idea!
It has been made too expensive, this is true. Not because it is
inherently expensive though. Because it is regulated (which it should
be for obvious reasons) it has become a convenient cow to milk by
plenty of people who contribute nothing to society but milking
that cow. My estimate is that about 80% of the cost goes there.
IOW the problem with nuclear is only social.
There is *no* other way we know to generate the energy we need.
All the windmill nonsense has led us into the current energy crisis.
They are not even as good as fusion energy which at least is
10 years away - has been that since the 50-s. The only result
of the windmill & rooftop nonsense spent on for decades now
instead of on the stable and proven nuclear technology is the energy
crisis we are only just entering.
On 1/25/2022 23:19, Rick C wrote:
On Tuesday, January 25, 2022 at 11:43:24 AM UTC-4, Dimiter Popoff wrote:
On 1/25/2022 16:27, Martin Brown wrote:
....
The only suppliers operating on a sound financial basis in the UK at
present have either nuclear or hydro as well as gas generating capacity
in their portfolio and are cross subsidising the loss making retail arm
from that. Industry is screaming blue murder they pay full price.
This is quickly becoming a worldwide disaster, after decades of playing
with subsidized windmills, rooftops and other nonsense instead of
building enough nuclear what else could we expect.
In Bulgaria, they are \"building\" a second nuclear plant for over 30
years now, must have spent zillions on \"consulting\" to practically
zero results, other than ongoing wrestling who is to build it.
Consequently an energy crisis.
So you think nuclear is the solution to the energy problem other than the fact that it is prohibitively expensive to build it?
In the UK the present nuclear generation plant being built is not going to return the profit the money bags expected. So in the future the UK government is going to allow them to pass all risk to the rate payers and they can plan and build nuclear projects as inefficiently as they wish!
Yes, what a grand idea!
It has been made too expensive, this is true. Not because it is
inherently expensive though. Because it is regulated (which it should
be for obvious reasons) it has become a convenient cow to milk by
plenty of people who contribute nothing to society but milking
that cow. My estimate is that about 80% of the cost goes there.
IOW the problem with nuclear is only social.
There is *no* other way we know to generate the energy we need.
All the windmill nonsense has led us into the current energy crisis.