Driver to drive?

[John Larkin]

On Mon, 30 Jan 2012 10:51:06 -0600, Jim Yanik <jyanik@abuse.gov>
wrote:

Pueblo Dancer <Kachina@AllHopiIsLost.org> wrote in
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On Mon, 30 Jan 2012 02:04:41 -0800 (PST), fungus <tooby@artlum.com
wrote:

On Jan 28, 11:41 am, Jasen Betts <ja...@xnet.co.nz> wrote:
On 2012-01-28, John Doe <j...@usenetlove.invalid> wrote:

Take a wire of whatever sort that is about 4 feet long. Fold it in
half. Fold it in half again. Now it is 1 foot long. Grab both ends
and tie the first loop of a square knot. That's it. It stays stuck
together in a much more compact and easy to manage form.

Content-Type: image/jpeg; name="tying cables.jpg"

That's not a square knot, that's an overhand knot.


Does it only work for four-foot wires? Mine are measured in metric.

What about two meters?

The modern folk use Velcro wrap ties.

http://www.amazon.com/Velcro-Reusable-Self-Gripping-Inches-91140/dp/B00
1E1Y5O6

Inside a chassis, the old mil way works, and I like it better than
nylon ties, because they generally have bulging, sharp protrusions at
the tie point.


Harbor Freight sells a 30' roll of doublesided Velcro tape,sticks to
itself.
it's very handy around the house.

I suppose in a pinch you could use dental floss,the waxed kind.

You can just wrap it with a spiral of #20 bus wire.


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www.highlandtechnology.com jlarkin at highlandtechnology dot com

Precision electronic instrumentation
Picosecond-resolution Digital Delay and Pulse generators
Custom timing and laser controllers
Photonics and fiberoptic TTL data links
VME analog, thermocouple, LVDT, synchro, tachometer
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[John Doe]

John Larkin <jjlarkin highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:

John Doe <j...@usenetlove.invalid> wrote:

Take a wire of whatever sort that is about 4 feet long.
Fold it in half. Fold it in half again. Now it is 1 foot
long. Grab both ends and tie an overhand
knot. That's it. It stays stuck together in a much more
compact and easy to manage form.

You can just wrap it with a spiral of #20 bus wire.

Using wire to wrap wire is how I developed the method. I had a bag
full of 24 gauge insulated wire pieces, for binding wire. To keep
those pieces organized, I started folding and tying them in an
overhand knot. But there is no point in using a tie when you can do
the same thing with the wire that you want to bind.

An intelligent person might not be able to develop a better
method, but he (someone who is not inhibited by his own big ego)
should at least be able to recognize a better method when he
sees it, to
notice the benefit of using a simple and effective method that
does not require tools or ties.

Take a wire of whatever sort that is about 4 feet long. Fold it in
half. Fold it in half again. Now it is 1 foot long. Grab both ends
and tie an overhand knot. That's it. It stays stuck together in a
much more compact and easy to manage form. The same method can be
used for tying up the ends of wires that are currently being used
(plugged in at both ends) by doing as described above with the
excess wire.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?
feature=player_detailpage&v=uf_Fe9VKGbY#t=61s

That one is more to the point, but if it don't work...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uf_Fe9VKGbY

 

[John Larkin]

On 30 Jan 2012 17:52:58 GMT, John Doe <jdoe@usenetlove.invalid> wrote:

John Larkin <jjlarkin highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:

John Doe <j...@usenetlove.invalid> wrote:

Take a wire of whatever sort that is about 4 feet long.
Fold it in half. Fold it in half again. Now it is 1 foot
long. Grab both ends and tie an overhand
knot. That's it. It stays stuck together in a much more
compact and easy to manage form.

You can just wrap it with a spiral of #20 bus wire.

Using wire to wrap wire is how I developed the method. I had a bag
full of 24 gauge insulated wire pieces, for binding wire. To keep
those pieces organized, I started folding and tying them in an
overhand knot. But there is no point in using a tie when you can do
the same thing with the wire that you want to bind.

An intelligent person might not be able to develop a better
method, but he (someone who is not inhibited by his own big ego)
should at least be able to recognize a better method when he
sees it, to
notice the benefit of using a simple and effective method that
does not require tools or ties.

I meant this:

ftp://jjlarkin.lmi.net/SPM_Test_1.JPG

You can just do a few "ties" like this, or wrap a full spiral. One end
can also be soldered down somewhere as an anchor.

ftp://jjlarkin.lmi.net/SPM_Test_2.JPG

Magnet wire works, too.


**********************************

John Larkin, President
Highland Technology, Inc

jlarkin at highlandtechnology dot com
http://www.highlandtechnology.com

Precision electronic instrumentation
Picosecond-resolution Digital Delay and Pulse generators
Custom laser controllers
Photonics and fiberoptic TTL data links
VME thermocouple, LVDT, synchro acquisition and simulation

 

[John Doe]

Anything is possible, that's why we have disclosure. Show a
credible example of my method being used prior to this time.

A lying talentless nym-shifting troll...

fungus <tooby artlum.com> wrote:
nym-shifting
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On Jan 30, 4:29˙pm, John Doe <j... usenetlove.invalid> wrote:

It's not funny, it's common. You can see it regularly illustrated
on YouTube. A talented person uploads a video showing off their
talent. Someone comes along and disses that person. So you take a
look at the troll's channel. And of course they have nothing to
show of their own.


a) Tying a knot in a wire isn't "talent".

b) I've got a big drawer full of wires tied exactly like in
your method (sic). I've been doing it since I was little.
I started doing it all by myself, nobody showed me how.

c) It's so obvious I wouldn't raise an eyebrow if you told
me Neanderthals used to do it to keep their bundles
of tendons tidy (in fact I'd be more surprised if you told
me they *didn't* do it).


I guess this is what we get when we treat everybody
as special and give them gold stars just for attending
class.

 

[fungus]

On Jan 30, 4:29 pm, John Doe <j...@usenetlove.invalid> wrote:

It's not funny, it's common. You can see it regularly illustrated
on YouTube. A talented person uploads a video showing off their
talent. Someone comes along and disses that person. So you take a
look at the troll's channel. And of course they have nothing to
show of their own.

a) Tying a knot in a wire isn't "talent".

b) I've got a big drawer full of wires tied exactly like in
your method (sic). I've been doing it since I was little.
I started doing it all by myself, nobody showed me how.

c) It's so obvious I wouldn't raise an eyebrow if you told
me Neanderthals used to do it to keep their bundles
of tendons tidy (in fact I'd be more surprised if you told
me they *didn't* do it).


I guess this is what we get when we treat everybody
as special and give them gold stars just for attending
class.

 

[Tim Williams]

On Jan 28, 2:48 pm, Jasen Betts <ja...@xnet.co.nz> wrote:

Under this fault condition in the fault current passing through the
tantalum cap, or just visiting the neighbourhood?

energy density detonates tantalums, don't get them hot and
charged at the same time.

Mental picture: suppose you have a standard full-bridge forward
converter, except it's supplied by constant current, allowing you to
use caps directly after the rectifier, rather than an L+C filter
(essentially, the L was moved to the primary side).

Now suppose one channel were accidentally shorted, then unshorted.
Two things happen:
1. While shorted, all the supply current flows into the shorted
channel. The other channels remain at roughly the same level, as they
discharge relatively slowly under nominal load. Depending on just how
short the circuit is, all the ripple will flow past the capacitor, so
this isn't a problem, in and of itself.
2. When unshorted, supply current continues to flow into the formerly-
shorted channel until it reaches the same voltage as the other
channels, when current gets shared again. This charges the capacitor
quite quickly.

I could easily add a shunt and PNP transistor to each side of each
transformer primary as a rudimentary current limit, just dump it into
the current feedback node. Kinda dirties up the circuit with all the
extra hardware, but such is protection.

Tim

 

[Lostgallifreyan]

Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> wrote in
news:ej58i7pd9hpji15c76cel2cq5sso70hf31@4ax.com:

On Sat, 28 Jan 2012 08:11:33 -0600, Lostgallifreyan
no-one@nowhere.net> wrote:

Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> wrote
in news:kgh6i7lktgbqb90va2oq8jh4fvbet02e45@4ax.com:

On Fri, 27 Jan 2012 18:40:29 -0600, Lostgallifreyan
no-one@nowhere.net> wrote:

Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> wrote
in news:mbd6i7t4ea1jr2tr3pddvvbtp1v5bh894o@4ax.com:

I'll post my subcircuit as it stands right now and you can see if it
remotely matches your measured performance.... unwrap the usual
suspects...


It has about -0.6V of output spiking not seen in real ones when a 5V
200 KHz square wave goes negative on the inverting input of a
differential amplifier, and a small kink in the slope when the input
signal rises. This kink occurs slightly earlier on the slope if the
load is reduced from 1K to 10K. It's definitely slightly odd.
Generally the frequency response seems about right, judging by effects
on square waves at 1 MHz, but they're spikier than the real ones would
be.

(All this bearing in mind that LT1215 was showing very close agreement
between model and built circuit in virtually identical context (only
the compensation caps were absent in the CA3240 version as it doesn't
need them, and this is true for the current model too, where they make
no difference to the wave other than a very slight recuction in that
spiking).

Please let me know if you have suggestions for that laser driver's
op-amps. http://repairfaq.cis.upenn.edu/Misc/laserdps.htm#dpsldd317
I think you're right that the CA3140 (CA3240 in this case) is not to
be relied on, and I hope that the LT1215 is not the only game in town!
It's great but I imagine there may be a standard that is cheaper and
easier to get while being as good, and that maybe better ones exist
too. I need a dual amp, for single rail, with fast slew, ideally
unconditionally stable at unity gain. Something that makes a 1 MHz
square have a bit more snap to its rise and fall times. There may be
amps that work well in this context that might not be expected to,
knowing that CA3140 even works at all well, and that LT1215 works very
well, might help prompt ideas from you because you know amps a lot
better than me. I Googled for months, and followed LT's and NS's IC
suggestions without coming up with much. Maybe there isn't, but if LT
can make the LT1215 I do hope someone made some good alternative to
try.

What puzzled me is I couldn't get a match between DC open-loop gain
and the gain-bandwidth crossing point... I get about 11MHz GBW with
100dB at DC, so I generally don't trust the data sheet... which says
~4MHz. My 11MHz probably accounts for the "spikier" transient
behavior.


The negative-going overshoot is large, maybe 100 times what it would be
in a real one at 200 KHz. I deliberately slowed the input square wave
slopes to 1ľs (not that much flat-time left after that, at 200 KHz), and
it didn't help much. In a context with very little parasitic inductance
or capacitance no op-amp should have this problem.

What DID help a lot was choosing the resistors in the first stage
differential amp of that laser driver circuit to be higher than those
the LT1215 wants for fast accuracy. Instead of 3K3 and 680R, I tried 33K
and 6K8, which removed the 'undershoot' but rounded off the wave far too
much, so then I tried 10K and 2K, (ratio close enough), and the result
is very good. But as far as I know, the CA3140 would not be that
sensitive to these changes in resistance.

What are the values of the zeners in that original schematic? Also, what
are the three or so most important spice parameters to be used in the
internal models for the BJT, MOS, and diode models?

Also, what other op-amp might work for that laser driver circuit I
linked to? (Single rail, fast slew, dual stage, pluggable replacement
for CA3240, LT1215...)

The CA3140 datasheet has conflicting statements, low sink current, yet
18mA short to V+, so I scaled to that short current. Thus a
suggestion, in this line...

G_G2 OUT VN VALUE {(TANH(3.66*V(OUT, N_9)-1.83)+19/17)*8.5mA}
^^^^^
Reduce this value--------------------------------------^^^^^

Until peaking matches your measurements.

Lowering it didn't help. Raising it to 12 mA did, but an oscilloscpe of the
real output shows a similar spike on the end of rising slopes where the model
has none. Both are of about quarter the duration of the spike in the model
output. (This in a differential amp circuit with 3K3 and 680R resistors for
gain reduction, input to inverting side, noninverting side fed by 5.1V zener
reference.)

With the real circuit and the model using 10K and 2K2 resistors the model's
spike proportions are better, roughly equal for rising and falling slopes,
with duration looking about right. The real circuit has larger spikes where
the model's spikes shrank. The scale might be to do with parasitcs in the
pindeck but I don't know why the change reverses, scaling upwards in reality,
and downwards in the model.

Ok, any chance of an answer to my earlier questions now?

 

[Lostgallifreyan]

Lostgallifreyan <no-one@nowhere.net> wrote in
news:Xns9FEB1384C8CFDzoodlewurdle@216.196.109.145:

Lowering it didn't help. Raising it to 12 mA did, but an oscilloscpe of
the real output shows a similar spike on the end of rising slopes where
the model has none. Both are of about quarter the duration of the spike
in the model output. (This in a differential amp circuit with 3K3 and
680R resistors for gain reduction, input to inverting side, noninverting
side fed by 5.1V zener reference.)

With the real circuit and the model using 10K and 2K2 resistors the
model's spike proportions are better, roughly equal for rising and
falling slopes, with duration looking about right. The real circuit has
larger spikes where the model's spikes shrank. The scale might be to do
with parasitcs in the pindeck but I don't know why the change reverses,
scaling upwards in reality, and downwards in the model.

Ok, any chance of an answer to my earlier questions now?

More... Raising that value further, to 15mA, makes the model's output much
closer to the real one with both sets of resistor values in the diff amp, and
also the output for the 10K/2K2 pairing is slightly larger than that for the
3K3/680R pairing, which agrees with the scale change in reality much better
than using 12mA for that value.

Please let me know if you can answer my questions, I imagine that you likely
have some op-amp in mind that does better than CA3140 for fast slew, single
rail, and high resistance inputs. While I found LT1215 in my searches, there
might be something cheaper and far easier to find that I don't know about.

I'm also still interested in trying parts models in the original incomplete
model I made, if I ever find any BiMOS models with internal models to try.
Knowing the zener voltages used in those four zener diodes will help though,
I don't know what those are and I'm hoping you can tell me. Finally, assuming
I don't find actual BiMOS models for the BJT's and MOSFETs, I imagine from
what I see in other subcircuits, that maybe just three of four important
parameters may be enough to modify a standard model in LTspice. What
parameters might those be? Whther or not I can make a viable model this way
isn't so important as what I might lear from trying, so please let me know so
I have somethign to start with..

 

[Rheilly Phoull]

On 1/31/2012 2:17 AM, John Larkin wrote:

On 30 Jan 2012 17:52:58 GMT, John Doe<jdoe@usenetlove.invalid> wrote:

John Larkin<jjlarkin highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:

John Doe<j...@usenetlove.invalid> wrote:

Take a wire of whatever sort that is about 4 feet long.
Fold it in half. Fold it in half again. Now it is 1 foot
long. Grab both ends and tie an overhand
knot. That's it. It stays stuck together in a much more
compact and easy to manage form.

You can just wrap it with a spiral of #20 bus wire.

Using wire to wrap wire is how I developed the method. I had a bag
full of 24 gauge insulated wire pieces, for binding wire. To keep
those pieces organized, I started folding and tying them in an
overhand knot. But there is no point in using a tie when you can do
the same thing with the wire that you want to bind.

An intelligent person might not be able to develop a better
method, but he (someone who is not inhibited by his own big ego)
should at least be able to recognize a better method when he
sees it, to
notice the benefit of using a simple and effective method that
does not require tools or ties.

I meant this:

ftp://jjlarkin.lmi.net/SPM_Test_1.JPG

You can just do a few "ties" like this, or wrap a full spiral. One end
can also be soldered down somewhere as an anchor.

ftp://jjlarkin.lmi.net/SPM_Test_2.JPG

Magnet wire works, too.


**********************************

John Larkin, President
Highland Technology, Inc

jlarkin at highlandtechnology dot com
http://www.highlandtechnology.com

Precision electronic instrumentation
Picosecond-resolution Digital Delay and Pulse generators
Custom laser controllers
Photonics and fiberoptic TTL data links
VME thermocouple, LVDT, synchro acquisition and simulation

All this is good stuff !!
Now can anyone tell me how to put the knives and forks in the draw ??

Rheilly P

 

[Lostgallifreyan]

One other thing that model seems to need is an additional 6.8pF of internal
capacitance for compensation in its feedback loop. There's plenty I don't
understand about this but I do know that a real one wouldn't need this in
same context. Even if it is only real-world parasitic capacitance that tames
the beast, it is nice not to have to add parts to a modelled circuit that
don't need adding in the real one, and that extra 5.8pF does nothing to harm
the modelled waveforms.

If there are any other problems I haven't seen any.

 

[Pueblo Dancer]

On 30 Jan 2012 14:12:49 GMT, John Doe <jdoe@usenetlove.invalid> wrote:

Nobody I have showed my method to has said that they have seen it before,
including people massively more experienced than this nym-shifting asshole.

I was tying wiring harnesses to mil spec before you even knew what the
term 'bundle' meant.

You are fucking pathetic, and you remarks here have ZERO foundation in
truth, much less reality.

You are essentially an uncivil total asshole.

Usenet Love? Bullshit! An idiot like you needs a Usenet beat down.

You didn't "show me" a goddamned thing, asswipe. Grow the fuck up, you
pathetic little chump!

 

[Pueblo Dancer]

On 28 Jan 2012 02:44:56 GMT, John Doe <jdoe@usenetlove.invalid> wrote:

Doe Brain belched out this utter bullshit:

snipped link to absolutely pathetic video

That one is more to the point, but if it don't work...

snip retarded link

You are a goddamned idiot.

YOU can dress out your pathetic chassis that way.

The professionals among us will continue dressing our wires in a
professional manner.

All you do is CREATE rat's nests.

100% pathetic. That's what it is.

 

[Pueblo Dancer]

On 30 Jan 2012 14:12:49 GMT, John Doe <jdoe@usenetlove.invalid> wrote:

Nobody I have showed my method to has said that they have seen it before,

I have. It is pathetic. YOU are pathetic. Your logic is lame. Your
capacity to grasp form fit and function hovers at NIL.

including people massively more experienced than this nym-shifting asshole.

Go back to the kook group, you abso-fucking-lutley retarded twit.

 

[Pueblo Dancer]

On 30 Jan 2012 15:21:49 GMT, John Doe <jdoe@usenetlove.invalid> wrote:

It stays stuck together in a
much more compact and easy to manage form.

No, it doesn't, and no it isn't. It makes wires more difficult to
'manage', you fucking idiot!

You are an utter fucking loon. Go back to the kook group.

 

[Pueblo Dancer]

On 30 Jan 2012 15:29:41 GMT, John Doe <jdoe@usenetlove.invalid> wrote:

It's not funny, it's common. You can see it regularly illustrated
on YouTube. A talented person uploads a video showing off their
talent. Someone comes along and disses that person.

Look, Dinguc Con... It was NOT a demonstration of ANY talent
what-so-fucking-ever!

Folks are not 'dissing' you. They are dissing your parents for letting
you grow to be so goddamned stupid. Go back to the kook group, boy!

Bwuahahahahahahahahahahahaha!

 

[Pueblo Dancer]

On Mon, 30 Jan 2012 11:12:08 -0800 (PST), fungus <tooby@artlum.com>
wrote:

On Jan 30, 4:29 pm, John Doe <j...@usenetlove.invalid> wrote:

It's not funny, it's common. You can see it regularly illustrated
on YouTube. A talented person uploads a video showing off their
talent. Someone comes along and disses that person. So you take a
look at the troll's channel. And of course they have nothing to
show of their own.


a) Tying a knot in a wire isn't "talent".

b) I've got a big drawer full of wires tied exactly like in
your method (sic). I've been doing it since I was little.
I started doing it all by myself, nobody showed me how.

c) It's so obvious I wouldn't raise an eyebrow if you told
me Neanderthals used to do it to keep their bundles
of tendons tidy (in fact I'd be more surprised if you told
me they *didn't* do it).


I guess this is what we get when we treat everybody
as special and give them gold stars just for attending
class.

And the stupid fucktard is a top-posting Usenet retard as well.

FUCK OFF AND DIE, JOHNNY DOE BOY.

 

[Pueblo Dancer]

On 30 Jan 2012 19:42:58 GMT, John Doe <jdoe@usenetlove.invalid> wrote:

Anything is possible, that's why we have disclosure. Show a
credible example of my method being used prior to this time.

You are kidding, right?

Are you really trying to claim this is new, and that YOU thought of it?


Bwuahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaa!

STOP top posting, you retarded fuck. And go back to the kook group,
you are not welcome here, nor is your pathetic attempt to show folks that
your IQ exceeds 20 by a few points.

 

[John Doe]

I wasn't talking about "folks" dissing me. I was talking about one
or two talentless trolls like this nutcase...

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On 30 Jan 2012 15:29:41 GMT, John Doe <jdoe usenetlove.invalid> wrote:


It's not funny, it's common. You can see it regularly illustrated
on YouTube. A talented person uploads a video showing off their
talent. Someone comes along and disses that person.

Look, Dinguc Con... It was NOT a demonstration of ANY talent
what-so-fucking-ever!

Folks are not 'dissing' you. They are dissing your parents for letting
you grow to be so goddamned stupid. Go back to the kook group, boy!

Bwuahahahahahahahahahahahaha!

 

[Pueblo Dancer]

On 30 Jan 2012 14:26:51 GMT, John Doe <jdoe@usenetlove.invalid> wrote:

Pueblo Dancer <Kachina AllHopiIsLost.org> wrote:

The modern folk use Velcro wrap ties.

I am impressed by how a person's big ego can prevent him (or her)
from showing appreciation for a good idea.

You are both a goddamned idiot, and you are stupid.

And no, you are NOT "impressed". You do not have a high enough IQ to
know what the word means.

It had NOTHING to do with ANYONE's EGO, you retarded piece of shit.

It is what the industry uses, and that is why I suggested it. I did not
even look at YOUR CRAP. And when I actually did, I almost drowned in my
drink laughing at your utter stupidity.

It is NOT talent. You do NOT possess ANY skill.

Wire runs tied in pathetic, bulging knots is about as fucking retarded
as it gets.

 

[Pueblo Dancer]

On 30 Jan 2012 15:16:23 GMT, John Doe <jdoe@usenetlove.invalid> wrote:

fungus <tooby artlum.com> wrote:

I've still got a big reel of waxy string somewhere...


I use it for tying up people who trespass on my lawn.

What for tying up your mother?

You are beyond pathetic.