Do Not Call register now working

[Bob Parker]

On 25/09/2007 20:52 kreed wrote:

On Aug 1, 5:45 pm, Bob Parker <bobp.deletet...@bluebottle.com> wrote:
On 4/05/2007 14:35 Phil Allison wrote:



** Hi to all my fans ....
Bet you have ALL been waiting for this for years !!!!
The Australian Government "Do Not Call" register is finally set up.
http://www.dcita.gov.au/communications_for_consumers/telephone_servic...
You can register up to 3 private numbers, home or mobile, on line.
Unfortunately it won't stop 100% of those annoying calls - but will likely
stop most of the telephone spammers.
A new Industry Standard requires callers ( in the excluded categories) to
identify themselves and NOT use numbers that are blocked to Caller ID.
See:
http://www.acma.gov.au/WEB/STANDARD//pc=PC_100642
....... Phil
I dunno how everyone else is going, but my experience is that
companies like Telstra & banks etc seem to have the attitude that now
that they alone are allowed to call people, they can do as much
high-pressure telemarketing of products to their existing customers as
they like.
The only difference is that their calling numbers aren't blocked.
I'm getting really sick of them.

Bob

I have had several calls in the last 2 weeks from Telstra - and its
usually a different local "telstra shop" (including a local area phone
number) rather than a telstra call centre? Also annoying is that they
(unsolicited) also seem to happily quote all sorts of account details
etc at you, I would think a reseller shouldnt have this info without
your request in relation to trying to shaft you from CDMA to NextG.
When I refer to the NextG as "those phones that have the really bad
coverage compared to CDMA" They seem to get a bit put out by this, and
they really must be pushing to sell this stuff.

Also I noticed on ACA today about the recording of customer
conversations in telstra shops, and shipping the recordings off to the
USA for evaluation. This was very disturbing, and Im starting to
wonder what is the lowest limit of depths this company will go to.

The rubbish from the banks has been happening once more, and its never
about anything useful - always rubbish like insurance etc. Responses
like "Im more interested in converting to a fee free account" usually
result in confusion.

Things are going from bad to worse. On the positive side, I can
tell everyone that after I asked Telstra to take me off their
telemarketing lists, I haven't had a single telemarketing call from them.
Now if only Westpac would do likewise ....

Bob

 

[Rudolf]

I also have my afx number listed.
I hope telemarketers have fun talking to my fax machine. I can hear it
ringing and picking up and nothing arrives.

Rudolf

"kreed" <kenreed1999@gmail.com> wrote in message
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On Sep 24, 11:24 am, "Rudolf" <aus_electron...@rumatech.com> wrote:
What is the story with business numbers?
You can not list it in "do not call" register!

I just got an e-mail from them saying that only residential numbers are
allowed to be listed in "do not call" register.

Rudolf


That is one hole in the system for small business operators. If you
are running a business from home, about the only thing I can suggest
is listing your mobile number, rather than the home number as your
business number, and use the fixed line number as a home number (dont
list it anywhere as a business contact, and have the phone account in
your name). This will at least make the bastard spam callers pay
mobile rates to call you, rather than cheap landline rates.

On the downside, paying mobile rates might discourage legit customers,
but you will have to balance this with the amount of time wasted each
day (and productivity loss) attending to spam calls.


"Bob Parker" <bobp.deletet...@bluebottle.com> wrote in message

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I was wondering about the unidentified numbers which have been
triggering my calling number display without leaving a message on the
answering machine for the last few days.
It was one of Westpac's contractors trying to sell me death
insurance.
I've just e-mailed Westpac again, telling them that next time I'll
take
it to the ACMA, since they've already said I've been removed from their
telemarketing list. They don't give up easily, do they Don?

Bob

 

[Trevor Wilson]

Rudolf wrote:

I also have my afx number listed.
I hope telemarketers have fun talking to my fax machine. I can hear it
ringing and picking up and nothing arrives.

**I gave up my fax machine (and dedicated fax line) when I realised that
90% of my incoming faxes were junk faxes. Buggered if I will pay to
recieve junk mail (ink and paper). A fax machine is really not all that
important in business today.

Trevor Wilson

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[Phil Allison]

"Rudolf"

I also have my fax number listed.

** That is clearly illegal.

The ACMA can remove any fax numbers from the register.





....... Phil

 

[John Tserkezis]

Phil Allison wrote:

I also have my fax number listed.

** That is clearly illegal.
The ACMA can remove any fax numbers from the register.

So the 'do not call register' is even more useless than before. Great.
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[Alan Rutlidge]

"Trevor Wilson" <trevor@_SPAMBLOCK_rageaudio.com.au> wrote in message
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Rudolf wrote:
I also have my afx number listed.
I hope telemarketers have fun talking to my fax machine. I can hear it
ringing and picking up and nothing arrives.

**I gave up my fax machine (and dedicated fax line) when I realised that
90% of my incoming faxes were junk faxes. Buggered if I will pay to
recieve junk mail (ink and paper). A fax machine is really not all that
important in business today.

Trevor Wilson

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A couple of suggestions -

1. Set your fax to outgoing only if that is an option for you.
2. Find out the numbers of the offending fax sender(s). Send them a
message asking them to cease sending you faxes.
3. If (2 above) doesn't work send them a 50 page fax of black paper. If
they have a bothway fax setup it sends them the message loud and clear (well
lots of black anyway)

Cheers,
Alan

 

[Phil Allison]

"John Tserkezis"


** Fuck off -


you COLOSSAL FUCKING MORON !!





....... Phil

 

[John Tserkezis]

Alan Rutlidge wrote:

1. Set your fax to outgoing only if that is an option for you.

Usually if you have a fax machine within a corporate environment, this isn't
an option.

2. Find out the numbers of the offending fax sender(s). Send them a
message asking them to cease sending you faxes.

You're a toothless tiger with no teeth. They have every legal right to send
you faxes, and you have no legal backing to stop them.

3. If (2 above) doesn't work send them a 50 page fax of black paper. If
they have a bothway fax setup it sends them the message loud and clear (well
lots of black anyway)

Not going to work. It's a fax modem that's designed to send only. If it's
configured to go both ways, the most you can do it occupy a bit of hard drive
space, and umpteen pages isn't going to help, a few keystrokes on any half
decent fax gate software will ensure you don't get any more than a certain
amount before pulling the plug (as so not to hold up the line).

Legal options will do nothing. You need hired goons to give them a stern
talking to.

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[John Tserkezis]

Phil Allison wrote:

** Fuck off -
you COLOSSAL FUCKING MORON !!

My claim is the 'do not call register' is outright useless.

Prove me wrong.

You can't. Whoops, I spelt "can't" wrong.

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[Phil Allison]

"John Teretis"

** Fuck off -

you COLOSSAL FUCKING MORON !!

My claim is the 'do not call register' is outright useless.

Prove me wrong.

** ASD fucked trolling MORONS like " Jerkshis"

do not get to judge any damn thing.





........ Phil

 

[Alan Rutlidge]

"John Tserkezis" <jt@techniciansyndrome.org.invalid> wrote in message
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Alan Rutlidge wrote:

1. Set your fax to outgoing only if that is an option for you.

Usually if you have a fax machine within a corporate environment, this
isn't an option.

Correct in some cases. I've worked in the corporate sector and some of the
machines were send only, receive only or bothway (normal operation). For
some people in smaller businesses, setting the machine to send only mode
isn't rocket science.

2. Find out the numbers of the offending fax sender(s). Send them a
message asking them to cease sending you faxes.

You're a toothless tiger with no teeth. They have every legal right to
send you faxes, and you have no legal backing to stop them.

You'd be surprised how a simple polite request can get results. Not
guaranteed to, but if you don't ask you you'll never know.
Also responding appropriately to a polite request is more likely to gain the
company kudoes rather than become the source of complaint. The latter
unlikely to get your business and a lot on negative publicity.

Dell used to send me weekly fax specials. I wasn't interested so I faxed
their fax back to 1800818341 and they stopped sending them.
www.cartridgecentral.com.au offer a similar "stop sending us faxes" service
with an automated dial up number to call.

3. If (2 above) doesn't work send them a 50 page fax of black paper.
If they have a bothway fax setup it sends them the message loud and clear
(well lots of black anyway)

Not going to work. It's a fax modem that's designed to send only. If
it's configured to go both ways, the most you can do it occupy a bit of
hard drive space, and umpteen pages isn't going to help, a few keystrokes
on any half decent fax gate software will ensure you don't get any more
than a certain amount before pulling the plug (as so not to hold up the
line).

Legal options will do nothing. You need hired goons to give them a stern
talking to.

Sounds like you need to strike up an ongoing relationship with Philty
Allison.
He's into a bit of biffo and sending "the Marist old boys" around to sort
things out - LOL.

If you happen to have your fax machine within arms reach, check your CLD
everytime a fax call comes through.
If it reads "Private" or "Unavailable" just press the STOP button. Works
for me.

Cheers,
Alan

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[John Tserkezis]

Alan Rutlidge wrote:

Correct in some cases. I've worked in the corporate sector and some of the
machines were send only, receive only or bothway (normal operation). For
some people in smaller businesses, setting the machine to send only mode
isn't rocket science.

I've worked in both large and small scale corporates. The larger scales can
go both ways depending (and there are a decent number of fax machines around
the building - and they vary depending on use.

On small scale however, the only option was both ways. It is a company fax
machine after all.

You're a toothless tiger with no teeth. They have every legal right to
send you faxes, and you have no legal backing to stop them.

You'd be surprised how a simple polite request can get results. Not
guaranteed to, but if you don't ask you you'll never know.

I have a major problem with that, it's no fun.

Also responding appropriately to a polite request is more likely to gain the
company kudoes rather than become the source of complaint. The latter
unlikely to get your business and a lot on negative publicity.

I REALLY don't think that a whine from a scammer/spammer etc is going to
earn anything they say credibility.
And when you read that the telemarketers overseas are screaming for more
protection against verbal abuse from the suckers^H^H^Hcustomers they're
calling, the only good thing I can think of is that the laws that don't
protect us, also don't protect them.
Looks like "we" have thicker skins than them. We win.

Dell used to send me weekly fax specials. I wasn't interested so I faxed
their fax back to 1800818341 and they stopped sending them.
www.cartridgecentral.com.au offer a similar "stop sending us faxes" service
with an automated dial up number to call.

Same thing here. We wondered why they started in the first place after we
made it abundantly clear we weren't happy with the first POS they sent us. (it
was the bosses idea, he thought it was a good deal, and by-passed the three or
four computer-heads in the office that knew anything).
I think the thing that frustrated me more, was not that we were getting the
junk faxes, but that someone would faithfully move the damn things into the
fax "in" tray instead of screw them up and throw them out.

Sounds like you need to strike up an ongoing relationship with Philty
Allison. He's into a bit of biffo and sending "the Marist old boys" around to
sort things out - LOL.

I can't even tell if that's what he's trying to say. He really doesn't make
sense most of the time. In fact, in reiterating the 'do not call register'
rules, he appears to be on THEIR bloody side.

When we can't send the 'boys around (those pesky laws stop us from doing
that anwyay), we have GREAT fun in putting the overseas telescammers on
speakerphone, and having fun with them. We had one get so frustrated, he
started abusing us in his native language. So we did the only thing we could
- we laughed harder.
After I abruptly hung up one after giving her some lip, she called me back
(twice!) and said I couldn't talk to her like that. I assumed she meant I
wasn't coarse enough, so I gave her even more lip.
Seriously, if we're going to waste time talking to them, we may as well 'get
our monies worth'. This really is a victimless sport, after all, the laws
that don't protect us, also don't protect them.

If you happen to have your fax machine within arms reach, check your CLD
everytime a fax call comes through.
If it reads "Private" or "Unavailable" just press the STOP button. Works
for me.

A couple of points here.

The CLD string is checkable via software, so you could "filter" out faxes at
this point if it's a fax modem. Though I really don't think it's useful
whitelisting in a corporate environment, because you don't know where the next
fax is coming from. Though it's still useful to partially filter obvious
things like missing CLDs, or "corrupt" entries that don't appear to be usable
numbers.

The other point is that within Australia, they made it law (long time ago,
may have changed) for senders to provide a valid origin number within the CLD
field. For missing entries, or obviously grunged entries, just chuck them out
- and it's quite safe and reliable to do so.

All the valid faxes, and all the more "reputable" source junk faxes all had
valid CLDs. Anything that didn't, was real junk.
In my experience, there was very little "reputable" junk.

However, I think the faxmarketers, and especially the scammers, are moving
away from faxes anyway. Email is much cheaper and covers a wider audience.

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[Rudolf]

**I gave up my fax machine (and dedicated fax line) when I realised that
90% of my incoming faxes were junk faxes. Buggered if I will pay to
recieve junk mail (ink and paper). A fax machine is really not all that
important in business today.

Depends on your business. I am getting most of my warranty work requests by
fax.

Rudolf

 

[Rudolf]

I mean that I have it listed for business, not in registry.

Sorry for the confusion.

Telemarketers call (voice call) and have a nice chat with fax machine.

Rudolf

"Phil Allison" <philallison@tpg.com.au> wrote in message
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"Rudolf"

I also have my fax number listed.


** That is clearly illegal.

The ACMA can remove any fax numbers from the register.





...... Phil

 

[Terryc]

Trevor Wilson wrote:

Rudolf wrote:

I also have my afx number listed.
I hope telemarketers have fun talking to my fax machine. I can hear it
ringing and picking up and nothing arrives.


**I gave up my fax machine (and dedicated fax line) when I realised that
90% of my incoming faxes were junk faxes. Buggered if I will pay to
recieve junk mail (ink and paper). A fax machine is really not all that
important in business today.

I just installed an old PC funning free fax software that allowed me to
blacklist certain numbers. then it was just like delete the spam that
slips through.

 

[Alan Rutlidge]

"Rudolf" <aus_electronics@rumatech.com> wrote in message
news:13flnp6jlsfuq14@corp.supernews.com...

I mean that I have it listed for business, not in registry.

Sorry for the confusion.

Telemarketers call (voice call) and have a nice chat with fax machine.

Rudolf

Ah, and quite funny it is too. Strange how my fax machine can't
translate the Indian or Pakistani accent either.

Cheers,
Alan