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With a working schematic loaded that simulates normally I use File > Export > Spice netlist . But when imported it does not simulate. I get just an empty black window. It\'s been many years, but I’m sure I have done this successfully before.
 
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Pimpom

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On 8/1/2020 1:23 AM, terrypingm@gmail.com wrote:
With a working schematic loaded that simulates normally I use File > Export > Spice netlist . But when imported it does not simulate. I get just an empty black window. It\'s been many years, but I’m sure I have done this successfully before.
It seems you and I use CM 2000 for different purposes. I use
TraxMaker all the time for designing PCBs, usually in manual mode
rather than for schematic capture and auto-routing.

I simulate and save schematics directly without exporting the
netlist. I\'ve just tried exporting and importing it and I get the
same black screen you do.

It\'s now 2:30 am here. I\'ll see if I can come up with something
tomorrow.
 
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John Larkin

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On Sat, 1 Aug 2020 02:29:59 +0530, Pimpom <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:

On 8/1/2020 1:23 AM, terrypingm@gmail.com wrote:
With a working schematic loaded that simulates normally I use File > Export > Spice netlist . But when imported it does not simulate. I get just an empty black window. It\'s been many years, but I’m sure I have done this successfully before.

It seems you and I use CM 2000 for different purposes. I use
TraxMaker all the time for designing PCBs, usually in manual mode
rather than for schematic capture and auto-routing.
It\'s nice to do automated netlist checks between the schematic and
layout, and ECOs when the schematic changes. And to keep iterative
versions aligned during development. And to resequence the reference
designators and back-annotate the schematic. We have boards with 1000
parts; probably too many bypass caps.

In the tape-and-mylar days, it might take two people two days to check
a layout against the schematic. Now a much bigger board takes a couple
of seconds.
 
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boB

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On Fri, 31 Jul 2020 16:01:54 -0700, John Larkin
<jlarkin@highland_atwork_technology.com> wrote:

On Sat, 1 Aug 2020 02:29:59 +0530, Pimpom <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:

On 8/1/2020 1:23 AM, terrypingm@gmail.com wrote:
With a working schematic loaded that simulates normally I use File > Export > Spice netlist . But when imported it does not simulate. I get just an empty black window. It\'s been many years, but I’m sure I have done this successfully before.

It seems you and I use CM 2000 for different purposes. I use
TraxMaker all the time for designing PCBs, usually in manual mode
rather than for schematic capture and auto-routing.

It\'s nice to do automated netlist checks between the schematic and
layout, and ECOs when the schematic changes. And to keep iterative
versions aligned during development. And to resequence the reference
designators and back-annotate the schematic. We have boards with 1000
parts; probably too many bypass caps.

In the tape-and-mylar days, it might take two people two days to check
a layout against the schematic. Now a much bigger board takes a couple
of seconds.
Oh Man ! I sure remember having 2 people at a table or two... One
with schematic print, one with PCB artwork holding a bright
highlighter, searching for the component that one of us would call
out.... Sometimes searching for a while :) Kind of like BINGO !...

Then marking the pins and/or parts and/or the trace of connection and
on to the next net...

I don\'t really miss those days but we would find design flaws that way
too, once in a while.
 
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server

Guest
On Fri, 31 Jul 2020 18:57:16 -0700, boB <boB@K7IQ.com> wrote:

On Fri, 31 Jul 2020 16:01:54 -0700, John Larkin
jlarkin@highland_atwork_technology.com> wrote:

On Sat, 1 Aug 2020 02:29:59 +0530, Pimpom <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:

On 8/1/2020 1:23 AM, terrypingm@gmail.com wrote:
With a working schematic loaded that simulates normally I use File > Export > Spice netlist . But when imported it does not simulate. I get just an empty black window. It\'s been many years, but I’m sure I have done this successfully before.

It seems you and I use CM 2000 for different purposes. I use
TraxMaker all the time for designing PCBs, usually in manual mode
rather than for schematic capture and auto-routing.

It\'s nice to do automated netlist checks between the schematic and
layout, and ECOs when the schematic changes. And to keep iterative
versions aligned during development. And to resequence the reference
designators and back-annotate the schematic. We have boards with 1000
parts; probably too many bypass caps.

In the tape-and-mylar days, it might take two people two days to check
a layout against the schematic. Now a much bigger board takes a couple
of seconds.


Oh Man ! I sure remember having 2 people at a table or two... One
with schematic print, one with PCB artwork holding a bright
highlighter, searching for the component that one of us would call
out.... Sometimes searching for a while :) Kind of like BINGO !...
Speaking of Bingo!, I fell in love that way once, doing the two-people
board check thing. Longish story. Had consequences.



--

John Larkin Highland Technology, Inc

Science teaches us to doubt.

Claude Bernard
 
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Pimpom

Guest
On 8/1/2020 2:29 AM, Pimpom wrote:
On 8/1/2020 1:23 AM, terrypingm@gmail.com wrote:
With a working schematic loaded that simulates normally I use File > Export > Spice netlist . But when imported it does not simulate. I get just an empty black window. It\'s been many years, but I’m sure I have done this successfully before.

It seems you and I use CM 2000 for different purposes. I use
TraxMaker all the time for designing PCBs, usually in manual mode
rather than for schematic capture and auto-routing.

I simulate and save schematics directly without exporting the
netlist. I\'ve just tried exporting and importing it and I get the
same black screen you do.

It\'s now 2:30 am here. I\'ll see if I can come up with something
tomorrow.
I found something. When the saved netlist has been imported and
the blank black window is displayed, go to the box named
\'Waveforms\' at the bottom of the left panel. That\'s where the net
points are listed. Click on any line and then click the \'Show\'
button. The screen will now display the waveform at that point.

You can select more than one point by pressing the Shift key.

Selecting the \'Operating Point\' tab at the bottom of the main
screen displays the values in numerical form.

I still can\'t get the schematic to show at the top of the screen
as when simulating directly from the schematic.
 
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server

Guest
Excellent, well done, thanks. Mystery solved!

That would be nice, but I don’t think it’s intended to import the schematic too,
 
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boB

Guest
On Fri, 31 Jul 2020 19:36:51 -0700, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com
wrote:

On Fri, 31 Jul 2020 18:57:16 -0700, boB <boB@K7IQ.com> wrote:

On Fri, 31 Jul 2020 16:01:54 -0700, John Larkin
jlarkin@highland_atwork_technology.com> wrote:

On Sat, 1 Aug 2020 02:29:59 +0530, Pimpom <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:

On 8/1/2020 1:23 AM, terrypingm@gmail.com wrote:
With a working schematic loaded that simulates normally I use File > Export > Spice netlist . But when imported it does not simulate. I get just an empty black window. It\'s been many years, but I’m sure I have done this successfully before.

It seems you and I use CM 2000 for different purposes. I use
TraxMaker all the time for designing PCBs, usually in manual mode
rather than for schematic capture and auto-routing.

It\'s nice to do automated netlist checks between the schematic and
layout, and ECOs when the schematic changes. And to keep iterative
versions aligned during development. And to resequence the reference
designators and back-annotate the schematic. We have boards with 1000
parts; probably too many bypass caps.

In the tape-and-mylar days, it might take two people two days to check
a layout against the schematic. Now a much bigger board takes a couple
of seconds.


Oh Man ! I sure remember having 2 people at a table or two... One
with schematic print, one with PCB artwork holding a bright
highlighter, searching for the component that one of us would call
out.... Sometimes searching for a while :) Kind of like BINGO !...

Speaking of Bingo!, I fell in love that way once, doing the two-people
board check thing. Longish story. Had consequences.
Were you married to your work because of that ? :)
 
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Pimpom

Guest
On 8/2/2020 5:18 AM, John Doe wrote:
You guys take CircuitMaker seriously?
Try it. You may be surprised.
Not the pre-2000 versions or the current online version by
Altium, but CircuitMaker 2000.

CM 2000 is available for free download from third-party sources.
It may not be strictly legal but it\'s been abandonware for almost
two decades, so I doubt that anyone would care.

OR read the manual
http://www.cs.nccu.edu.tw/~whliao/ds2003/cm_usermanual.pdf and
see what it\'s capable of.
 
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John Doe

Guest
Pimpom <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:

John Doe wrote:

You guys take CircuitMaker seriously?

Try it. You may be surprised.
Not the pre-2000 versions or the current online version by
Altium, but CircuitMaker 2000.

CM 2000 is available for free download from third-party sources.
It may not be strictly legal but it\'s been abandonware for almost
two decades, so I doubt that anyone would care.

OR read the manual
http://www.cs.nccu.edu.tw/~whliao/ds2003/cm_usermanual.pdf and
see what it\'s capable of.
Thanks. I didn\'t mean to imply anything about it.
 
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Pimpom

Guest
On 8/4/2020 1:05 AM, John Doe wrote:
Pimpom <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:

John Doe wrote:

You guys take CircuitMaker seriously?

Try it. You may be surprised.
Not the pre-2000 versions or the current online version by
Altium, but CircuitMaker 2000.

CM 2000 is available for free download from third-party sources.
It may not be strictly legal but it\'s been abandonware for almost
two decades, so I doubt that anyone would care.

OR read the manual
http://www.cs.nccu.edu.tw/~whliao/ds2003/cm_usermanual.pdf and
see what it\'s capable of.

Thanks. I didn\'t mean to imply anything about it.
No offence taken. CircuitMaker 2000 is a 20-year-old product so
it\'s not surprising that, when the name CircuitMaker is mentioned
today, most people will think of the one by Altium. The two are
completely different products.

What makes it more confusing is that Altium bought CM 2000 from
Microcode and still own the rights, but they quickly killed
support and development.

CM 2000 is somewhere between hobbyist and fully professional in
functionality and cost. It\'s easy to use and quite powerful but
cost a fraction of contemporary professional eCAD programs. My
copy was 6.69 MB in size and yet has SPICE-based simulation,
schematic capture and multi-layer auto-routing for boards up to
32\"x32\". It included hundreds of spice models and footprints.
 
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