Brand new Tesla battery complex catches FIRE!...

[Flyguy]

This complex uses the SAFEST lithium chemistry: LFP:

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2023/sep/27/tesla-lithium-battery-fire-bouldercombe-energy-storage-site-project-rockhampton

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-09-27/tesla-battery-fire-at-queensland-renewable-energy-project/102905302

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LH2UOC2TMng

 

[Ricky]

On Wednesday, September 27, 2023 at 8:30:02 PM UTC-4, Flyguy wrote:

This complex uses the SAFEST lithium chemistry: LFP:

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2023/sep/27/tesla-lithium-battery-fire-bouldercombe-energy-storage-site-project-rockhampton

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-09-27/tesla-battery-fire-at-queensland-renewable-energy-project/102905302

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LH2UOC2TMng

They can be pretty bad, huh?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coal-seam_fire

--

Rick C.

- Get 1,000 miles of free Supercharging
- Tesla referral code - https://ts.la/richard11209

 

[Flyguy]

On Wednesday, September 27, 2023 at 7:29:02 PM UTC-7, Ricky wrote:

On Wednesday, September 27, 2023 at 8:30:02 PM UTC-4, Flyguy wrote:
This complex uses the SAFEST lithium chemistry: LFP:

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2023/sep/27/tesla-lithium-battery-fire-bouldercombe-energy-storage-site-project-rockhampton

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-09-27/tesla-battery-fire-at-queensland-renewable-energy-project/102905302

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LH2UOC2TMng
They can be pretty bad, huh?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coal-seam_fire

--

Rick C.

- Get 1,000 miles of free Supercharging
- Tesla referral code - https://ts.la/richard11209

Was that a BRAND NEW coal seam, dude?

 

[Anthony William Sloman]

On Thursday, September 28, 2023 at 1:52:41 PM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:

On Wednesday, September 27, 2023 at 7:29:02 PM UTC-7, Ricky wrote:
On Wednesday, September 27, 2023 at 8:30:02 PM UTC-4, Flyguy wrote:
This complex uses the SAFEST lithium chemistry: LFP:

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2023/sep/27/tesla-lithium-battery-fire-bouldercombe-energy-storage-site-project-rockhampton

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-09-27/tesla-battery-fire-at-queensland-renewable-energy-project/102905302

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LH2UOC2TMng
They can be pretty bad, huh?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coal-seam_fire

Was that a BRAND NEW coal seam, dude?

Since we haven\'t got as clue what caused the fire - for all Sewage Sweeper knows it might have been struck by lightning - the fuss about \"brand new\" is just Sewage Sweeper airing his deluded idea that lithium ion batteries can proceed from normal operation to thermal runaway at any moment,

The process by which a battery can move from normal, operation to increasing self-discharge (and sell-heating) to a state when the self-heating can get the core temperature up to 120C where thermal; run-away can set in does take time, and can be monitored by keeping track of the battery core temperature versus it\'s surface temperature.

Any decent battery monitoring system can do that continuously. If the battery shows early signs of distress, you can make is safe by completely discharging it - limiting the discharge rate to one that won\'t overheat the cells to the region where thermal runaway is likely.

It\'s a more complicated idea than can be handled by the senile remnants of the brain which Sewage Sweeper still has left, and ignoring it lets him post his usual nonsense sound bite.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

[Ricky]

On Wednesday, September 27, 2023 at 11:52:41 PM UTC-4, Flyguy wrote:

On Wednesday, September 27, 2023 at 7:29:02 PM UTC-7, Ricky wrote:
On Wednesday, September 27, 2023 at 8:30:02 PM UTC-4, Flyguy wrote:
This complex uses the SAFEST lithium chemistry: LFP:

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2023/sep/27/tesla-lithium-battery-fire-bouldercombe-energy-storage-site-project-rockhampton

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-09-27/tesla-battery-fire-at-queensland-renewable-energy-project/102905302

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LH2UOC2TMng
They can be pretty bad, huh?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coal-seam_fire

--

Rick C.

- Get 1,000 miles of free Supercharging
- Tesla referral code - https://ts.la/richard11209
Was that a BRAND NEW coal seam, dude?

You didn\'t read that in any of the links you provided. You seem to confuse \"brand new\" with \"first built\". Go back and read/listen to them again.

Not sure how that matters anyway, but whatever.

--

Rick C.

+ Get 1,000 miles of free Supercharging
+ Tesla referral code - https://ts.la/richard11209

 

[John Larkin]

On Wed, 27 Sep 2023 17:29:57 -0700 (PDT), Flyguy
<soar2morrow@yahoo.com> wrote:

This complex uses the SAFEST lithium chemistry: LFP:

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2023/sep/27/tesla-lithium-battery-fire-bouldercombe-energy-storage-site-project-rockhampton

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-09-27/tesla-battery-fire-at-queensland-renewable-energy-project/102905302

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LH2UOC2TMng

And that was a real Tesla bank. Imagine the failure rate of cheap
imports.

 

[Fred Bloggs]

On Wednesday, September 27, 2023 at 8:30:02 PM UTC-4, Flyguy wrote:

This complex uses the SAFEST lithium chemistry: LFP:

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2023/sep/27/tesla-lithium-battery-fire-bouldercombe-energy-storage-site-project-rockhampton

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-09-27/tesla-battery-fire-at-queensland-renewable-energy-project/102905302

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LH2UOC2TMng

Yep, it\'s burning alright. Stuff happens. Don\'t put a whit of thought into what may have caused it, you might strain yourself.

 

[Flyguy]

On Wednesday, September 27, 2023 at 9:37:31 PM UTC-7, Anthony William Sloman wrote:

On Thursday, September 28, 2023 at 1:52:41 PM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
On Wednesday, September 27, 2023 at 7:29:02 PM UTC-7, Ricky wrote:
On Wednesday, September 27, 2023 at 8:30:02 PM UTC-4, Flyguy wrote:
This complex uses the SAFEST lithium chemistry: LFP:

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2023/sep/27/tesla-lithium-battery-fire-bouldercombe-energy-storage-site-project-rockhampton

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-09-27/tesla-battery-fire-at-queensland-renewable-energy-project/102905302

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LH2UOC2TMng
They can be pretty bad, huh?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coal-seam_fire

Was that a BRAND NEW coal seam, dude?
Since we haven\'t got as clue what caused the fire - for all Sewage Sweeper knows it might have been struck by lightning - the fuss about \"brand new\" is just Sewage Sweeper airing his deluded idea that lithium ion batteries can proceed from normal operation to thermal runaway at any moment,

The process by which a battery can move from normal, operation to increasing self-discharge (and sell-heating) to a state when the self-heating can get the core temperature up to 120C where thermal; run-away can set in does take time, and can be monitored by keeping track of the battery core temperature versus it\'s surface temperature.

Any decent battery monitoring system can do that continuously. If the battery shows early signs of distress, you can make is safe by completely discharging it - limiting the discharge rate to one that won\'t overheat the cells to the region where thermal runaway is likely.

It\'s a more complicated idea than can be handled by the senile remnants of the brain which Sewage Sweeper still has left, and ignoring it lets him post his usual nonsense sound bite.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

[Flyguy]

On Wednesday, September 27, 2023 at 9:37:31 PM UTC-7, Anthony William Sloman wrote:

On Thursday, September 28, 2023 at 1:52:41 PM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
On Wednesday, September 27, 2023 at 7:29:02 PM UTC-7, Ricky wrote:
On Wednesday, September 27, 2023 at 8:30:02 PM UTC-4, Flyguy wrote:
This complex uses the SAFEST lithium chemistry: LFP:

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2023/sep/27/tesla-lithium-battery-fire-bouldercombe-energy-storage-site-project-rockhampton

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-09-27/tesla-battery-fire-at-queensland-renewable-energy-project/102905302

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LH2UOC2TMng
They can be pretty bad, huh?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coal-seam_fire

Was that a BRAND NEW coal seam, dude?
Since we haven\'t got as clue what caused the fire - for all Sewage Sweeper knows it might have been struck by lightning - the fuss about \"brand new\" is just Sewage Sweeper airing his deluded idea that lithium ion batteries can proceed from normal operation to thermal runaway at any moment,

Hey Bozo, we can pretty much say it WAS NOT the result of a \"lightning strike.\"

The process by which a battery can move from normal, operation to increasing self-discharge (and sell-heating) to a state when the self-heating can get the core temperature up to 120C where thermal; run-away can set in does take time, and can be monitored by keeping track of the battery core temperature versus it\'s surface temperature.

LOL! Are you saying that they DID NOT have said monitoring? I truly THINK NOT!

Any decent battery monitoring system can do that continuously. If the battery shows early signs of distress, you can make is safe by completely discharging it - limiting the discharge rate to one that won\'t overheat the cells to the region where thermal runaway is likely.

So, are you saying that they DID NOT have a \"decent battery monitoring system\"? If so, how could OZ be so DERELICT in allowing such an unsafe installation?

It\'s a more complicated idea than can be handled by the senile remnants of the brain which Bozo\'s Sewage Sweeper still has left, and ignoring it lets him post his usual nonsense sound bite.

Call Lyin\' Biden or yourself \"senile\", but ALL that I did was to REPORT the news, nothing more and nothing less. For you to make these claims shows YOUR senility.

--
Bozo Bill Slowman, Sydney

Bozo\'s Sewage Sweeper

 

[Flyguy]

On Thursday, September 28, 2023 at 11:24:17 AM UTC-7, Ricky wrote:

On Wednesday, September 27, 2023 at 11:52:41 PM UTC-4, Flyguy wrote:
On Wednesday, September 27, 2023 at 7:29:02 PM UTC-7, Ricky wrote:
On Wednesday, September 27, 2023 at 8:30:02 PM UTC-4, Flyguy wrote:
This complex uses the SAFEST lithium chemistry: LFP:

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2023/sep/27/tesla-lithium-battery-fire-bouldercombe-energy-storage-site-project-rockhampton

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-09-27/tesla-battery-fire-at-queensland-renewable-energy-project/102905302

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LH2UOC2TMng
They can be pretty bad, huh?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coal-seam_fire

--

Rick C.

- Get 1,000 miles of free Supercharging
- Tesla referral code - https://ts.la/richard11209
Was that a BRAND NEW coal seam, dude?
You didn\'t read that in any of the links you provided. You seem to confuse \"brand new\" with \"first built\". Go back and read/listen to them again.

Not sure how that matters anyway, but whatever.

--

Rick C.

+ Get 1,000 miles of free Supercharging
+ Tesla referral code - https://ts.la/richard11209

Sounds like \"brand new\" to me - are you claiming that Tesla sold them USED power banks?

 

[Ricky]

On Friday, September 29, 2023 at 12:12:44 AM UTC-4, Flyguy wrote:

On Thursday, September 28, 2023 at 11:24:17 AM UTC-7, Ricky wrote:
On Wednesday, September 27, 2023 at 11:52:41 PM UTC-4, Flyguy wrote:
On Wednesday, September 27, 2023 at 7:29:02 PM UTC-7, Ricky wrote:
On Wednesday, September 27, 2023 at 8:30:02 PM UTC-4, Flyguy wrote:
This complex uses the SAFEST lithium chemistry: LFP:

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2023/sep/27/tesla-lithium-battery-fire-bouldercombe-energy-storage-site-project-rockhampton

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-09-27/tesla-battery-fire-at-queensland-renewable-energy-project/102905302

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LH2UOC2TMng
They can be pretty bad, huh?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coal-seam_fire

--

Rick C.

- Get 1,000 miles of free Supercharging
- Tesla referral code - https://ts.la/richard11209
Was that a BRAND NEW coal seam, dude?
You didn\'t read that in any of the links you provided. You seem to confuse \"brand new\" with \"first built\". Go back and read/listen to them again.

Not sure how that matters anyway, but whatever.

--

Rick C.

+ Get 1,000 miles of free Supercharging
+ Tesla referral code - https://ts.la/richard11209
Sounds like \"brand new\" to me - are you claiming that Tesla sold them USED power banks?

I\'m trying to explain the English language. They are saying this is the first unit built in that country. I think that was some years ago. There had been a large power outage which shut everything in that part of Australia for a couple of days. So they bought the batter backup which not only provides power during outages, it helps prevent outages and makes money by electrical arbitrage.

Bill probably can point you to some links about it if you are too lazy to look it up yourself.

--

Rick C.

-- Get 1,000 miles of free Supercharging
-- Tesla referral code - https://ts.la/richard11209

 

[Anthony William Sloman]

On Friday, September 29, 2023 at 2:10:56 PM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:

On Wednesday, September 27, 2023 at 9:37:31 PM UTC-7, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
On Thursday, September 28, 2023 at 1:52:41 PM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
On Wednesday, September 27, 2023 at 7:29:02 PM UTC-7, Ricky wrote:
On Wednesday, September 27, 2023 at 8:30:02 PM UTC-4, Flyguy wrote:
This complex uses the SAFEST lithium chemistry: LFP:

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2023/sep/27/tesla-lithium-battery-fire-bouldercombe-energy-storage-site-project-rockhampton

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-09-27/tesla-battery-fire-at-queensland-renewable-energy-project/102905302

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LH2UOC2TMng
They can be pretty bad, huh?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coal-seam_fire

Was that a BRAND NEW coal seam, dude?

Since we haven\'t got as clue what caused the fire - for all Sewage Sweeper knows it might have been struck by lightning - the fuss about \"brand new\" is just Sewage Sweeper airing his deluded idea that lithium ion batteries can proceed from normal operation to thermal runaway at any moment,

We can pretty much say it WAS NOT the result of a \"lightning strike.\"

Sewage Sweeper doesn\'t want it to have have been caused by a lightning strike, so he\'s happy to claim that it wasn\'t. More objective information may exist but he won\'t bother looking for it;

The process by which a battery can move from normal, operation to increasing self-discharge (and sell-heating) to a state when the self-heating can get the core temperature up to 120C where thermal; run-away can set in does take time, and can be monitored by keeping track of the battery core temperature versus it\'s surface temperature.

LOL! Are you saying that they DID NOT have said monitoring? I truly THINK NOT!

If it had monitoring, as I\'ve sure it did, it wouldn\'t have blown up because it went into thermal runaway. My hypothesis us that some external event - a lightning strike, a truck hitting it or the like - caused the problem. Nobody dug into that because a battery fire makes people anxious in a way that sells newspapers.

Any decent battery monitoring system can do that continuously. If the battery shows early signs of distress, you can make is safe by completely discharging it - limiting the discharge rate to one that won\'t overheat the cells to the region where thermal runaway is likely.

So, are you saying that they DID NOT have a \"decent battery monitoring system\"? If so, how could OZ be so DERELICT in allowing such an unsafe installation?

It was in Queensland - Australia\'s deep north - but it certainly would have had a decent monitoring system so presumably the fire get started by something other than therrmal runaway. The reports didn\'t actually say anything about the cause of the fire.

It\'s a more complicated idea than can be handled by the senile remnants of the brain which Bozo\'s Sewage Sweeper still has left, and ignoring it lets him post his usual nonsense sound bite.

Call Lyin\' Biden or yourself \"senile\", but ALL that I did was to REPORT the news, nothing more and nothing less. For you to make these claims shows YOUR senility.

Your \"report\" starts with \"This complex uses the SAFEST lithium chemistry: LFP: \" which does imply that you blame the fire on the battery chemistry and are ignoring any other possible ignition source.
You are too far gone in senility to appreciate what you were implying.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

[Anthony William Sloman]

On Friday, September 29, 2023 at 3:51:31 PM UTC+10, Ricky wrote:

On Friday, September 29, 2023 at 12:12:44 AM UTC-4, Flyguy wrote:
On Thursday, September 28, 2023 at 11:24:17 AM UTC-7, Ricky wrote:
On Wednesday, September 27, 2023 at 11:52:41 PM UTC-4, Flyguy wrote:
On Wednesday, September 27, 2023 at 7:29:02 PM UTC-7, Ricky wrote:
On Wednesday, September 27, 2023 at 8:30:02 PM UTC-4, Flyguy wrote: \\
This complex uses the SAFEST lithium chemistry: LFP:

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2023/sep/27/tesla-lithium-battery-fire-bouldercombe-energy-storage-site-project-rockhampton

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-09-27/tesla-battery-fire-at-queensland-renewable-energy-project/102905302

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LH2UOC2TMng
They can be pretty bad, huh?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coal-seam_fire

Was that a BRAND NEW coal seam, dude?

You didn\'t read that in any of the links you provided. You seem to confuse \"brand new\" with \"first built\". Go back and read/listen to them again..

Not sure how that matters anyway, but whatever.

Sounds like \"brand new\" to me - are you claiming that Tesla sold them USED power banks?

I\'m trying to explain the English language. They are saying this is the first unit built in that country. I think that was some years ago. There had been a large power outage which shut everything in that part of Australia for a couple of days. So they bought the batter backup which not only provides power during outages, it helps prevent outages and makes money by electrical arbitrage.

Bill probably can point you to some links about it if you are too lazy to look it up yourself.

https://reneweconomy.com.au/fire-erupts-in-tesla-megapack-battery-module-at-bouldercombe-storage-facility/

It was the first built in that part of the country, and was under construction at the time. We\'ve got a few of them now. The first was in South Australia and has been running fine for years

https://hornsdalepowerreserve.com.au/

It seems that the cause of the fire is still under investigation. There was nobody on the site when the fire broke out. so it may take a while to work out what happened - if you aren\'t Flyguy.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

[Computer Nerd Kev]

John Larkin <jl@997pothill.com> wrote:

And that was a real Tesla bank. Imagine the failure rate of cheap
imports.

Speaking of failure rates, surprisingly nobody\'s mentioned here
that it\'s not the first time this has happened to a Tesla battery
in Aus. There was this fire at another end of the country in 2021:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-07-30/tesla-battery-fire-moorabool-geelong/100337488

That fire has been investigated and found to be most likely caused
a coolant leak, which created a short-circuit even though the
battery was \"offline\":
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-09-28/fire-at-tesla-giant-battery-project-near-geelong-investigation/100496688

A later report is here:
https://victorianbigbattery.com.au/2022/01/31/independent-report-released/

Except they\'ve impressively managed to break the PDF download link
there already, so it\'s here:
http://web.archive.org/web/20230608103018if_/https://victorianbigbattery.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2022/12/VBB-Fire-Independent-Report-of-Technical-Findings.pdf

\"The origin of the fire was MP-1 and the most likely root cause of
the fire was a leak within the liquid cooling system of MP-1
causing arcing in the power electronics of the Megapack\'s battery
modules. This resulted in heating of the battery module\'s
lithium-ion cells that led to a propagating thermal runaway event
and the fire.\"

--
__ __
#_ < |\\| |< _#

 

[Flyguy]

On Thursday, September 28, 2023 at 11:15:34 PM UTC-7, Anthony William Sloman wrote:

On Friday, September 29, 2023 at 2:10:56 PM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
On Wednesday, September 27, 2023 at 9:37:31 PM UTC-7, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
On Thursday, September 28, 2023 at 1:52:41 PM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
On Wednesday, September 27, 2023 at 7:29:02 PM UTC-7, Ricky wrote:
On Wednesday, September 27, 2023 at 8:30:02 PM UTC-4, Flyguy wrote:
This complex uses the SAFEST lithium chemistry: LFP:

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2023/sep/27/tesla-lithium-battery-fire-bouldercombe-energy-storage-site-project-rockhampton

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-09-27/tesla-battery-fire-at-queensland-renewable-energy-project/102905302

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LH2UOC2TMng
They can be pretty bad, huh?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coal-seam_fire

Was that a BRAND NEW coal seam, dude?

Since we haven\'t got as clue what caused the fire - for all Sewage Sweeper knows it might have been struck by lightning - the fuss about \"brand new\" is just Sewage Sweeper airing his deluded idea that lithium ion batteries can proceed from normal operation to thermal runaway at any moment,
We can pretty much say it WAS NOT the result of a \"lightning strike.\"

Sewage Sweeper doesn\'t want it to have have been caused by a lightning strike, so he\'s happy to claim that it wasn\'t. More objective information may exist but he won\'t bother looking for it;

Bozo makes a FALSE CLAIM that it was caused by lightning w/o ANY PROOF - typical of the Bozo.

The process by which a battery can move from normal, operation to increasing self-discharge (and sell-heating) to a state when the self-heating can get the core temperature up to 120C where thermal; run-away can set in does take time, and can be monitored by keeping track of the battery core temperature versus it\'s surface temperature.

LOL! Are you saying that they DID NOT have said monitoring? I truly THINK NOT!
If it had monitoring, as I\'ve sure it did, it wouldn\'t have blown up because it went into thermal runaway. My hypothesis us that some external event - a lightning strike, a truck hitting it or the like - caused the problem. Nobody dug into that because a battery fire makes people anxious in a way that sells newspapers.

You aren\'t sure of your last BOWEL MOVEMENT, let alone what this facility was equipped with, Bozo. You just FLAT OUT GUESS, and your guesses are LOUSY!!! You have ZERO BASIS for your \"hypothesis\" - read GUESS. I am SURE that they are \"digging into that\" because of the implications.

Any decent battery monitoring system can do that continuously. If the battery shows early signs of distress, you can make is safe by completely discharging it - limiting the discharge rate to one that won\'t overheat the cells to the region where thermal runaway is likely.

So, are you saying that they DID NOT have a \"decent battery monitoring system\"? If so, how could OZ be so DERELICT in allowing such an unsafe installation?
It was in Queensland - Australia\'s deep north - but it certainly would have had a decent monitoring system so presumably the fire get started by something other than therrmal runaway. The reports didn\'t actually say anything about the cause of the fire.

Hey Bozo, your English SUCKS! \"The reports didn\'t actually say anything about the cause of the fire\" but you have NO PROBLEM guessing.

It\'s a more complicated idea than can be handled by the senile remnants of the brain which Bozo\'s Sewage Sweeper still has left, and ignoring it lets him post his usual nonsense sound bite.

Call Lyin\' Biden or yourself \"senile\", but ALL that I did was to REPORT the news, nothing more and nothing less. For you to make these claims shows YOUR senility.
Your \"report\" starts with \"This complex uses the SAFEST lithium chemistry: LFP: \" which does imply that you blame the fire on the battery chemistry and are ignoring any other possible ignition source.

What are you saying, Bozo, that LFP IS NOT the safest lithium chemistry? I said exactly ZERO about the ignition source, if you had bothered to actually READ what I wrote.

> You are too far gone in senility to appreciate what you were implying.

So says the SENILE BOZO.

--
Bozo Bill Slowman, Sydney

Bozo\'s Sewage Sweeper

BTW, at least you spelled \"Sydney\" correctly this time, all though you made other mistakes.

 

[Flyguy]

On Friday, September 29, 2023 at 4:14:44 PM UTC-7, Computer Nerd Kev wrote:

John Larkin <j...@997pothill.com> wrote:
And that was a real Tesla bank. Imagine the failure rate of cheap
imports.
Speaking of failure rates, surprisingly nobody\'s mentioned here
that it\'s not the first time this has happened to a Tesla battery
in Aus. There was this fire at another end of the country in 2021:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-07-30/tesla-battery-fire-moorabool-geelong/100337488

That fire has been investigated and found to be most likely caused
a coolant leak, which created a short-circuit even though the
battery was \"offline\":
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-09-28/fire-at-tesla-giant-battery-project-near-geelong-investigation/100496688

A later report is here:
https://victorianbigbattery.com.au/2022/01/31/independent-report-released/

Except they\'ve impressively managed to break the PDF download link
there already, so it\'s here:
http://web.archive.org/web/20230608103018if_/https://victorianbigbattery.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2022/12/VBB-Fire-Independent-Report-of-Technical-Findings.pdf

\"The origin of the fire was MP-1 and the most likely root cause of
the fire was a leak within the liquid cooling system of MP-1
causing arcing in the power electronics of the Megapack\'s battery
modules. This resulted in heating of the battery module\'s
lithium-ion cells that led to a propagating thermal runaway event
and the fire.\"

--
__ __
#_ < |\\| |< _#

Bozo didn\'t bother to read the news article:

\"When the project first went live in July, the Queensland government spruiked the 50MW/100MWH battery as being able to power 4,000 homes.\"

This facility was, indeed, BRAND NEW - not sure what \"spruiked\" should have been, but probably was \"touted\".

The owner of the facility called it a \"minor incident\" while at the same time advising residents to “stay indoors and keep respiratory medication close by”. That doesn\'t sound like a \"minor\" incident to me.
https://www.energy-storage.news/tesla-megapack-on-fire-in-minor-incident-at-battery-storage-site-in-australia/

 

[Anthony William Sloman]

On Saturday, September 30, 2023 at 10:45:32 AM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:

On Thursday, September 28, 2023 at 11:15:34 PM UTC-7, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
On Friday, September 29, 2023 at 2:10:56 PM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
On Wednesday, September 27, 2023 at 9:37:31 PM UTC-7, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
On Thursday, September 28, 2023 at 1:52:41 PM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
On Wednesday, September 27, 2023 at 7:29:02 PM UTC-7, Ricky wrote:
On Wednesday, September 27, 2023 at 8:30:02 PM UTC-4, Flyguy wrote:
This complex uses the SAFEST lithium chemistry: LFP:

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2023/sep/27/tesla-lithium-battery-fire-bouldercombe-energy-storage-site-project-rockhampton

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-09-27/tesla-battery-fire-at-queensland-renewable-energy-project/102905302

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LH2UOC2TMng
They can be pretty bad, huh?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coal-seam_fire

Was that a BRAND NEW coal seam, dude?

Since we haven\'t got as clue what caused the fire - for all Sewage Sweeper knows it might have been struck by lightning - the fuss about \"brand new\" is just Sewage Sweeper airing his deluded idea that lithium ion batteries can proceed from normal operation to thermal runaway at any moment,

We can pretty much say it WAS NOT the result of a \"lightning strike.\"

Sewage Sweeper doesn\'t want it to have have been caused by a lightning strike, so he\'s happy to claim that it wasn\'t. More objective information may exist but he won\'t bother looking for it;

Bill makes a FALSE CLAIM that it was caused by lightning w/o ANY PROOF - typical.

I didn\'t say it was. I said it might have been. This is Sewage Sweeper lying, as he does repeatedly.

The process by which a battery can move from normal, operation to increasing self-discharge (and sell-heating) to a state when the self-heating can get the core temperature up to 120C where thermal; run-away can set in does take time, and can be monitored by keeping track of the battery core temperature versus it\'s surface temperature.

LOL! Are you saying that they DID NOT have said monitoring? I truly THINK NOT!

If it had monitoring, as I\'ve sure it did, it wouldn\'t have blown up because it went into thermal runaway. My hypothesis us that some external event - a lightning strike, a truck hitting it or the like - caused the problem. Nobody dug into that because a battery fire makes people anxious in a way that sells newspapers.

<snipped more of sewage Sweepoer\'s meanaingless rhetoric>

Any decent battery monitoring system can do that continuously. If the battery shows early signs of distress, you can make is safe by completely discharging it - limiting the discharge rate to one that won\'t overheat the cells to the region where thermal runaway is likely.

So, are you saying that they DID NOT have a \"decent battery monitoring system\"? If so, how could OZ be so DERELICT in allowing such an unsafe installation?

It was in Queensland - Australia\'s deep north - but it certainly would have had a decent monitoring system so presumably the fire get started by something other than therrmal runaway. The reports didn\'t actually say anything about the cause of the fire.

Hey Bozo, your English SUCKS! \"The reports didn\'t actually say anything about the cause of the fire\" but you have NO PROBLEM guessing.

I didn\'t do any guessing. I just pointed out that there were alternative explanations for the fire beyond the one you were touting as your preferred explanation (even though there was no evidence to support your preference.

It\'s a more complicated idea than can be handled by the senile remnants of the brain which Bozo\'s Sewage Sweeper still has left, and ignoring it lets him post his usual nonsense sound bite.

Call Lyin\' Biden or yourself \"senile\", but ALL that I did was to REPORT the news, nothing more and nothing less. For you to make these claims shows YOUR senility.

Your \"report\" starts with \"This complex uses the SAFEST lithium chemistry: LFP: \" which does imply that you blame the fire on the battery chemistry and are ignoring any other possible ignition source.

What are you saying, Bozo, that LFP IS NOT the safest lithium chemistry? I said exactly ZERO about the ignition source, if you had bothered to actually READ what I wrote.

But you did imply that a \"safer\" battery wouldn\'t have caught fire.

> > You are too far gone in senility to appreciate what you were implying.

<snipped more of Sewage Sweeper\'s predictable - thus content-free - rhetoric.>


if Sewage Sweeper had bothered to read the thread before he posted his latest stream of pointless abuse he\'d have co,me across this report about an earlier fire in a similar installation

\"\"The origin of the fire was MP-1 and the most likely root cause ofthe fire was a leak within the liquid cooling system of MP-1causing arcing in the power electronics of the Megapack\'s battermodules. This resulted in heating of the battery module\'slithium-ion cells that led to a propagating thermal runaway event and the fire.\"

Not exactly a lightning strike, but a fault that created a similar sort of local heating

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

[Anthony William Sloman]

On Saturday, September 30, 2023 at 11:05:47 AM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:

On Friday, September 29, 2023 at 4:14:44 PM UTC-7, Computer Nerd Kev wrote:
John Larkin <j...@997pothill.com> wrote: ]
And that was a real Tesla bank. Imagine the failure rate of cheap
imports.
Speaking of failure rates, surprisingly nobody\'s mentioned here that it\'s not the first time this has happened to a Tesla battery in Australia. There was this fire at another end of the country in 2021:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-07-30/tesla-battery-fire-moorabool-geelong/100337488

That fire has been investigated and found to be most likely caused a coolant leak, which created a short-circuit even though the battery was \"offline\":
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-09-28/fire-at-tesla-giant-battery-project-near-geelong-investigation/100496688

A later report is here:
https://victorianbigbattery.com.au/2022/01/31/independent-report-released/

Except they\'ve impressively managed to break the PDF download link
there already, so it\'s here:
http://web.archive.org/web/20230608103018if_/https://victorianbigbattery.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2022/12/VBB-Fire-Independent-Report-of-Technical-Findings.pdf

\"The origin of the fire was MP-1 and the most likely root cause of the fire was a leak within the liquid cooling system of MP-1 causing arcing in the power electronics of the Megapack\'s battery modules. This resulted in heating of the battery module\'s lithium-ion cells that led to a propagating thermal runaway event and the fire.\"

Bill didn\'t bother to read the news article:

Huh? Which article?

\"When the project first went live in July, the Queensland government spruiked the 50MW/100MWH battery as being able to power 4,000 homes.\"

This facility was, indeed, BRAND NEW - not sure what \"spruiked\" should have been, but probably was \"touted\".

verbinformal•Australian
verb: spruik; 3rd person present: spruiks; past tense: spruiked; past participle: spruiked; gerund or present participle: spruiking

speak in public, especially to advertise a show.
\"men who spruik outside striptease joints\"
promote or publicize.
\"the company forked out $15 million to spruik its digital revolution\"

The owner of the facility called it a \"minor incident\" while at the same time advising residents to “stay indoors and keep respiratory medication close by”. That doesn\'t sound like a \"minor\" incident to me.

https://www.energy-storage.news/tesla-megapack-on-fire-in-minor-incident-at-battery-storage-site-in-australia/

A major incident would have burnt out all the battery units on the site. Things can go wrong when you are putting together a new facility from scratch - my younger brother talked about anticipating all the problem he could imagine so that he\'d have time to deal with the problems he hadn\'t managed to anticipate.

That link is one that I found and posted in my response to Ricky. You seem to have decided to poach the link and pretend that you found it for yourself.

You really do seem to a senile failure to appreciate quite obviously fatuous your claims are.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

[Flyguy]

On Friday, September 29, 2023 at 10:12:49 PM UTC-7, Anthony William Sloman wrote:

On Saturday, September 30, 2023 at 10:45:32 AM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
On Thursday, September 28, 2023 at 11:15:34 PM UTC-7, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
On Friday, September 29, 2023 at 2:10:56 PM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
On Wednesday, September 27, 2023 at 9:37:31 PM UTC-7, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
On Thursday, September 28, 2023 at 1:52:41 PM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
On Wednesday, September 27, 2023 at 7:29:02 PM UTC-7, Ricky wrote:
On Wednesday, September 27, 2023 at 8:30:02 PM UTC-4, Flyguy wrote:
This complex uses the SAFEST lithium chemistry: LFP:

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2023/sep/27/tesla-lithium-battery-fire-bouldercombe-energy-storage-site-project-rockhampton

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-09-27/tesla-battery-fire-at-queensland-renewable-energy-project/102905302

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LH2UOC2TMng
They can be pretty bad, huh?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coal-seam_fire

Was that a BRAND NEW coal seam, dude?

Since we haven\'t got as clue what caused the fire - for all Sewage Sweeper knows it might have been struck by lightning - the fuss about \"brand new\" is just Sewage Sweeper airing his deluded idea that lithium ion batteries can proceed from normal operation to thermal runaway at any moment,

We can pretty much say it WAS NOT the result of a \"lightning strike..\"

Sewage Sweeper doesn\'t want it to have have been caused by a lightning strike, so he\'s happy to claim that it wasn\'t. More objective information may exist but he won\'t bother looking for it;
Bill makes a FALSE CLAIM that it was caused by lightning w/o ANY PROOF - typical.

I didn\'t say it was. I said it might have been. This is Sewage Sweeper lying, as he does repeatedly.
The process by which a battery can move from normal, operation to increasing self-discharge (and sell-heating) to a state when the self-heating can get the core temperature up to 120C where thermal; run-away can set in does take time, and can be monitored by keeping track of the battery core temperature versus it\'s surface temperature.

LOL! Are you saying that they DID NOT have said monitoring? I truly THINK NOT!

If it had monitoring, as I\'ve sure it did, it wouldn\'t have blown up because it went into thermal runaway. My hypothesis us that some external event - a lightning strike, a truck hitting it or the like - caused the problem. Nobody dug into that because a battery fire makes people anxious in a way that sells newspapers.
snipped more of sewage Sweepoer\'s meanaingless rhetoric
Any decent battery monitoring system can do that continuously. If the battery shows early signs of distress, you can make is safe by completely discharging it - limiting the discharge rate to one that won\'t overheat the cells to the region where thermal runaway is likely.

So, are you saying that they DID NOT have a \"decent battery monitoring system\"? If so, how could OZ be so DERELICT in allowing such an unsafe installation?

It was in Queensland - Australia\'s deep north - but it certainly would have had a decent monitoring system so presumably the fire get started by something other than therrmal runaway. The reports didn\'t actually say anything about the cause of the fire.

Hey Bozo, your English SUCKS! \"The reports didn\'t actually say anything about the cause of the fire\" but you have NO PROBLEM guessing.
I didn\'t do any guessing. I just pointed out that there were alternative explanations for the fire beyond the one you were touting as your preferred explanation (even though there was no evidence to support your preference.

Translation: \"I am guessing\"

It\'s a more complicated idea than can be handled by the senile remnants of the brain which Bozo\'s Sewage Sweeper still has left, and ignoring it lets him post his usual nonsense sound bite.

Call Lyin\' Biden or yourself \"senile\", but ALL that I did was to REPORT the news, nothing more and nothing less. For you to make these claims shows YOUR senility.

Your \"report\" starts with \"This complex uses the SAFEST lithium chemistry: LFP: \" which does imply that you blame the fire on the battery chemistry and are ignoring any other possible ignition source.

What are you saying, Bozo, that LFP IS NOT the safest lithium chemistry? I said exactly ZERO about the ignition source, if you had bothered to actually READ what I wrote.
But you did imply that a \"safer\" battery wouldn\'t have caught fire.
You are too far gone in senility to appreciate what you were implying..
snipped more of Sewage Sweeper\'s predictable - thus content-free - rhetoric.

Translation: \"I don\'t have even a STUPID answer\"

if Sewage Sweeper had bothered to read the thread before he posted his latest stream of pointless abuse he\'d have co,me across this report about an earlier fire in a similar installation

If YOU had bothered to read the subject report you would have learned that the first thing they do is to isolate the battery packs on fire and nearby, thereby eliminating your ridiculous idea of draining the energy in the battery.

\"\"The origin of the fire was MP-1 and the most likely root cause ofthe fire was a leak within the liquid cooling system of MP-1causing arcing in the power electronics of the Megapack\'s battermodules. This resulted in heating of the battery module\'slithium-ion cells that led to a propagating thermal runaway event and the fire.\"

Not exactly a lightning strike, but a fault that created a similar sort of local heating

\"Not exactly\"? What you meant to say \"In no FUCKING WAY was it a lightning strike!\"

--
Bozo Bill Slowman, Sydney

Bozo\'s Sewage Sweeper
(And, boy, have I been BUSY!)

 

[Anthony William Sloman]

On Sunday, October 1, 2023 at 1:17:55 PM UTC+11, Flyguy wrote:

On Friday, September 29, 2023 at 10:12:49 PM UTC-7, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
On Saturday, September 30, 2023 at 10:45:32 AM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
On Thursday, September 28, 2023 at 11:15:34 PM UTC-7, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
On Friday, September 29, 2023 at 2:10:56 PM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
On Wednesday, September 27, 2023 at 9:37:31 PM UTC-7, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
On Thursday, September 28, 2023 at 1:52:41 PM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
On Wednesday, September 27, 2023 at 7:29:02 PM UTC-7, Ricky wrote:
On Wednesday, September 27, 2023 at 8:30:02 PM UTC-4, Flyguy wrote:
This complex uses the SAFEST lithium chemistry: LFP:

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2023/sep/27/tesla-lithium-battery-fire-bouldercombe-energy-storage-site-project-rockhampton

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-09-27/tesla-battery-fire-at-queensland-renewable-energy-project/102905302

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LH2UOC2TMng
They can be pretty bad, huh?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coal-seam_fire

Was that a BRAND NEW coal seam, dude?

Since we haven\'t got as clue what caused the fire - for all Sewage Sweeper knows it might have been struck by lightning - the fuss about \"brand new\" is just Sewage Sweeper airing his deluded idea that lithium ion batteries can proceed from normal operation to thermal runaway at any moment,

We can pretty much say it WAS NOT the result of a \"lightning strike.\"

Sewage Sweeper doesn\'t want it to have have been caused by a lightning strike, so he\'s happy to claim that it wasn\'t. More objective information may exist but he won\'t bother looking for it;

Bill makes a FALSE CLAIM that it was caused by lightning w/o ANY PROOF - typical.

I didn\'t say it was. I said it might have been. This is Sewage Sweeper lying, as he does repeatedly.

The process by which a battery can move from normal, operation to increasing self-discharge (and sell-heating) to a state when the self-heating can get the core temperature up to 120C where thermal; run-away can set in does take time, and can be monitored by keeping track of the battery core temperature versus it\'s surface temperature.

LOL! Are you saying that they DID NOT have said monitoring? I truly THINK NOT!

If it had monitoring, as I\'ve sure it did, it wouldn\'t have blown up because it went into thermal runaway. My hypothesis us that some external event - a lightning strike, a truck hitting it or the like - caused the problem. Nobody dug into that because a battery fire makes people anxious in a way that sells newspapers.

snipped more of sewage Sweepoer\'s meaningless rhetoric

Any decent battery monitoring system can do that continuously. If the battery shows early signs of distress, you can make is safe by completely discharging it - limiting the discharge rate to one that won\'t overheat the cells to the region where thermal runaway is likely.

So, are you saying that they DID NOT have a \"decent battery monitoring system\"? If so, how could OZ be so DERELICT in allowing such an unsafe installation?

It was in Queensland - Australia\'s deep north - but it certainly would have had a decent monitoring system so presumably the fire get started by something other than therrmal runaway. The reports didn\'t actually say anything about the cause of the fire.

Hey Bozo, your English SUCKS! \"The reports didn\'t actually say anything about the cause of the fire\" but you have NO PROBLEM guessing.

I didn\'t do any guessing. I just pointed out that there were alternative explanations for the fire beyond the one you were touting as your preferred explanation (even though there was no evidence to support your preference.

<snipped Sewage Sweeper\'s usual tactic of trying to put works into my mouth by pretending to translate them into the message he wants to see>

It\'s a more complicated idea than can be handled by the senile remnants of the brain which Bozo\'s Sewage Sweeper still has left, and ignoring it lets him post his usual nonsense sound bite.

Call Lyin\' Biden or yourself \"senile\", but ALL that I did was to REPORT the news, nothing more and nothing less. For you to make these claims shows YOUR senility.

Your \"report\" starts with \"This complex uses the SAFEST lithium chemistry: LFP: \" which does imply that you blame the fire on the battery chemistry and are ignoring any other possible ignition source.

What are you saying, Bozo, that LFP IS NOT the safest lithium chemistry? I said exactly ZERO about the ignition source, if you had bothered to actually READ what I wrote.

But you did imply that a \"safer\" battery wouldn\'t have caught fire.

You are too far gone in senility to appreciate what you were implying.

snipped more of Sewage Sweeper\'s predictable - thus content-free - rhetoric.
if Sewage Sweeper had bothered to read the thread before he posted his latest stream of pointless abuse he\'d have co,me across this report about an earlier fire in a similar installation.

If YOU had bothered to read the subject report you would have learned that the first thing they do is to isolate the battery packs on fire and nearby, thereby eliminating your ridiculous idea of draining the energy in the battery.

You drain the energy out of the battery before self-discharge gets it warm enough that there\'s an appreciable risk of thermal runaway.

Your mindless rhetoric is all predicated on the idea that a lithium ion battery can go into thermal runaway without going through the slow process of developing an increasing level of self-discharge, which is easy enough to detect if you have an kind of proper battery monitoring.

Your senile brain can\'t cope with that kind of complexity, and you much prefer spouting mindless nonsense about unpredictable catastrophic failure.

\"\"The origin of the fire was MP-1 and the most likely root cause ofthe fire was a leak within the liquid cooling system of MP-1causing arcing in the power electronics of the Megapack\'s battermodules. This resulted in heating of the battery module\'slithium-ion cells that led to a propagating thermal runaway event and the fire.\"

Not exactly a lightning strike, but a fault that created a similar sort of local heating.

<snipped Sewage Sweeper\'s usual tactic of trying to put works into my mouth by pretending to translate them into the message he wants to see>

> Bill\'s Sewage Sweeper (And, boy, have I been BUSY!)

First producing the sewage, then spreading it about.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney