Apple throttled your iPhone by cutting its speed almost in H

[harry newton]

Talk about drastic!

Apple throttled your iPhone by cutting its speed almost in HALF!

"After replacing the battery, Geekbench showed that the scores had nearly
doubled."

<http://nymag.com/selectall/2017/12/is-apple-slowing-down-iphones-with-aging-batteries.html>

 

[Jeff Liebermann]

On Wed, 27 Dec 2017 15:28:50 +0000 (UTC), harry newton
<harry@is.invalid> wrote:

Talk about drastic!
Apple throttled your iPhone by cutting its speed almost in HALF!

"After replacing the battery, Geekbench showed that the scores had nearly
doubled."

http://nymag.com/selectall/2017/12/is-apple-slowing-down-iphones-with-aging-batteries.html

Sure, but if Apple did NOT reduce consumption somewhere as the battery
aged, you would complain that the iPhone battery didn't survive the
warranty period or operate the advertised number of hours.

What I find disgusting is that Apple did not make the feature optional
and controlled in the settings.

When we're done complaining about the evil Apple, we can then switch
our focus to the evil Google, which extends runtime and battery life
by disabling display intensive features and reducing OLED display
brightness if it detects a weak battery.
<https://www.google.com/patents/US8407502>
See the "Summary" section. The phone still works, but all the fancy
features are disabled and you can't see what you're doing (only red
LED's are active). This might be a serious problem for someone on
Viagra, who's vision is shifted towards blue, and doesn't see any red.

Cutting features to enhance battery life is nothing new. Palm has a
patent for saving battery power by switching from battery guzzling
color, to a more economical monochrome:
"Method and Apparatus for Selectable Display Mode for Intelligently
Enhancing Battery Life"

Meanwhile, Intel offers CPU's that self-throttle if they draw too much
power, get too hot, or are in danger of turning off before the end of
the movie or big game. Most of the technology was inherited from
Transmeta:
"Adaptive power control"
<https://www.google.com/patents/US7100061>
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transmeta>

I'm sure if I dig some more, I'll find other patents for ways to
generate longer battery life numbers at the expense of other features.

Hmmm... my battery is low and old. Maybe that's why I'm losing at
Solitaire?

--
Jeff Liebermann jeffl@cruzio.com
150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

 

On Wednesday, 27 December 2017 16:48:57 UTC, Jeff Liebermann wrote:

On Wed, 27 Dec 2017 15:28:50 +0000 (UTC), harry newton
harry@is.invalid> wrote:

Talk about drastic!
Apple throttled your iPhone by cutting its speed almost in HALF!

"After replacing the battery, Geekbench showed that the scores had nearly
doubled."

http://nymag.com/selectall/2017/12/is-apple-slowing-down-iphones-with-aging-batteries.html

Sure, but if Apple did NOT reduce consumption somewhere as the battery
aged, you would complain that the iPhone battery didn't survive the
warranty period or operate the advertised number of hours.

What I find disgusting is that Apple did not make the feature optional
and controlled in the settings.

When we're done complaining about the evil Apple, we can then switch
our focus to the evil Google, which extends runtime and battery life
by disabling display intensive features and reducing OLED display
brightness if it detects a weak battery.
https://www.google.com/patents/US8407502
See the "Summary" section. The phone still works, but all the fancy
features are disabled and you can't see what you're doing (only red
LED's are active). This might be a serious problem for someone on
Viagra, who's vision is shifted towards blue, and doesn't see any red.

Cutting features to enhance battery life is nothing new. Palm has a
patent for saving battery power by switching from battery guzzling
color, to a more economical monochrome:
"Method and Apparatus for Selectable Display Mode for Intelligently
Enhancing Battery Life"

Meanwhile, Intel offers CPU's that self-throttle if they draw too much
power, get too hot, or are in danger of turning off before the end of
the movie or big game. Most of the technology was inherited from
Transmeta:
"Adaptive power control"
https://www.google.com/patents/US7100061
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transmeta

I'm sure if I dig some more, I'll find other patents for ways to
generate longer battery life numbers at the expense of other features.

Hmmm... my battery is low and old. Maybe that's why I'm losing at
Solitaire?

Apple phones are very much aimed at people that know nothing about technology and don't want to learn. They're idiot proofed partly by key useful features not being available. One can criticise them, but tbh I reckon they know their market.


NT

 

[harry newton]

He who is Jeff Liebermann said on Wed, 27 Dec 2017 08:48:50 -0800:

Sure, but if Apple did NOT reduce consumption somewhere as the battery
aged, you would complain that the iPhone battery didn't survive the
warranty period or operate the advertised number of hours.

Fair enough observation but the Materials Science experts seem to be
inferring a different take on that same sentiment, by stating that Apple
batteries were sold with intolerable (and unadvertised) performance decay.

They "clearly came with intolerable performance decay." says The Verge.
<https://www.theverge.com/2017/12/21/16806582/apple-battery-slowdown-science>

What I find disgusting is that Apple did not make the feature optional
and controlled in the settings.

Lawsuits argue Apple had to keep the permanent throttling to far less than
half the advertised speeds (from 1,400MHz to 600MHz) secret if the reason
was they didn't want to honor warranty claims.

<https://www.theverge.com/2017/12/20/16800058/apple-iphone-slow-fix-battery-life-capacity>

When we're done complaining about the evil Apple, we can then switch
our focus to the evil Google, which extends runtime and battery life
by disabling display intensive features and reducing OLED display
brightness if it detects a weak battery.

This is only related if it was done secretly, permanently, and drastically.

https://www.google.com/patents/US8407502
See the "Summary" section. The phone still works, but all the fancy
features are disabled and you can't see what you're doing (only red
LED's are active).

Is this slowdown drastic (far more than half the advertised speeds)?
Is it secret?
Is it permanent (for any given battery)?

This might be a serious problem for someone on
Viagra, who's vision is shifted towards blue, and doesn't see any red.

As of December 11th, 2017, that problem may increase!
<https://www.goodrx.com/blog/generic-viagra-in-2017-sooner-than-expected/>

Cutting features to enhance battery life is nothing new. Palm has a
patent for saving battery power by switching from battery guzzling
color, to a more economical monochrome:
"Method and Apparatus for Selectable Display Mode for Intelligently
Enhancing Battery Life"

Is this slowdown drastic (far more than half the advertised speeds)?
Is it secret?
Is it permanent (for any given battery)?

Meanwhile, Intel offers CPU's that self-throttle if they draw too much
power, get too hot, or are in danger of turning off before the end of
the movie or big game. Most of the technology was inherited from
Transmeta:
"Adaptive power control"
https://www.google.com/patents/US7100061
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transmeta

Is this slowdown drastic (far more than half the advertised speeds)?
Is it secret?
Is it permanent (for any given battery)?

I'm sure if I dig some more, I'll find other patents for ways to
generate longer battery life numbers at the expense of other features.

IF they're not secret, permanent, and drastic (throttled to far less than
half the claimed CPU speeds), then they're relevant.

Otherwise they're just red herrings.

Hmmm... my battery is low and old. Maybe that's why I'm losing at
Solitaire?

Nope. It's why that huge power outage a week ago by PG&E was caused by the
winds coming from the north instead of from the south like they usually do
where you live!

Seriously though ... since you are generally old-school and balanced, do
you really consider Apple's secret, permanent, and drastic (the cpu is
chopped to far less than half the claimed speeds) is equivalent to a
temporary, slight, and obvious slowdown?

Really?

 

[rickman]

tabbypurr@gmail.com wrote on 12/27/2017 12:04 PM:

On Wednesday, 27 December 2017 16:48:57 UTC, Jeff Liebermann wrote:

I'm sure if I dig some more, I'll find other patents for ways to
generate longer battery life numbers at the expense of other features.

Hmmm... my battery is low and old. Maybe that's why I'm losing at
Solitaire?

Apple phones are very much aimed at people that know nothing about technology and don't want to learn. They're idiot proofed partly by key useful features not being available. One can criticise them, but tbh I reckon they know their market.

Even the unsophisticated user can tell when his phone is getting slow. Many
people will then trade it in not knowing this could easily be fixed.

--

Rick C

Viewed the eclipse at Wintercrest Farms,
on the centerline of totality since 1998

 

[harry newton]

He who is harry newton said on Wed, 27 Dec 2017 17:05:03 +0000 (UTC):

Fair enough observation but the Materials Science experts seem to be
inferring a different take on that same sentiment, by stating that Apple
batteries were sold with intolerable (and unadvertised) performance decay.

They "clearly came with intolerable performance decay." says The Verge.
https://www.theverge.com/2017/12/21/16806582/apple-battery-slowdown-science

Apple basically admitted today they permanently chopped CPU speeds in half
because they were trying to secretly mask defective batteries that they
didn't want to pay for in-warranty claims.

December 28, 2017
A Message to Our Customers about iPhone Batteries and Performance
<https://www.apple.com/iphone-battery-and-performance/>

They desperately try to convince Apple gullibles that all batteries require
the need to be secretly, drastically, and permanently throttled (to half
the original CPU speeds) with this clever marketing document posing as an
engineering white paper.

iPhone Battery and Performance
<https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT208387>

Basically, what they say is that all batteries degrade but only Apple cares
enough about its customers to secretly, permanently, and drastically cut
the CPU performance in half.

The rest of the manufacturers simply replace defective batteries under
warranty. But Apple didn't want to honor the warranty claims.

Even now, they're *still* charging the customer $30 for what amounts to a
defective battery. After the end of 2018, you're fucked again.

The phones affected after iOS 10.2.1 are:
iPhone 6,
iPhone 6 Plus,
iPhone 6s,
iPhone 6s Plus,
iPhone SE,
iPhone 7, and
iPhone 7 (after iOS 11.2)

The secret is never to update iOS and this wouldn't have happened to you.

 

[bitrex]

On 12/27/2017 11:48 AM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:

This might be a serious problem for someone on
Viagra, who's vision is shifted towards blue, and doesn't see any red.

Wait, what?

 

[Jeff Liebermann]

On Thu, 28 Dec 2017 22:36:07 -0500, bitrex
<bitrex@de.lete.earthlink.net> wrote:

On 12/27/2017 11:48 AM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:

This might be a serious problem for someone on
Viagra, who's vision is shifted towards blue, and doesn't see any red.

Wait, what?

Cyanopsia or blue tinted vision
<https://io9.gizmodo.com/why-viagra-tints-your-vision-blue-1685176169>
<https://www.zmescience.com/science/biology/why-viagra-makes-you-see-blue-0423432/>

Executive summary: Viagra makes your world blue because an enzyme
that regulates activity in your crotch happens to be very similar to
an enzyme that regulates activity in your eyes.

--
Jeff Liebermann jeffl@cruzio.com
150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

 

[Jeff Liebermann]

On Wed, 27 Dec 2017 23:22:09 -0500, rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> wrote:

Even the unsophisticated user can tell when his phone is getting slow. Many
people will then trade it in not knowing this could easily be fixed.

I had a customer phone me today asking if I could find her a cheap
used iPhone 6 for her daughter, who was complaining that her iPhone 5
was "worn out". No sooner had she read that Apple was slowing down
older phones to preserve battery life, the daughter magically
discovered that her phone was suffering from "a slow battery" and the
phone was in need of an upgrade. This might eventually be beneficial
to Apple sales.



--
Jeff Liebermann jeffl@cruzio.com
150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

 

[pfjw@aol.com]

This is the same troll with the smoke machine and the BMW.

Don't feed the troll.

Peter Wieck
Melrose Park, PA

 

[harry newton]

He who is Jeff Liebermann said on Thu, 28 Dec 2017 20:34:09 -0800:

Executive summary: Viagra makes your world blue because an enzyme
that regulates activity in your crotch happens to be very similar to
an enzyme that regulates activity in your eyes.

So the plumbing in the crotch opens up the world to your eyes?

Anyway, Jeff - did you read the fantastically *cleverly worded* apology
from Apple yesterday?

December 28, 2017
A Message to Our Customers about iPhone Batteries and Performance
<https://www.apple.com/iphone-battery-and-performance/>

What you have to admire is how utterly *cleverly* worded the "apology" is.

Just like a smart kid caught with his hand in the cookie jar, they are
clever in what they admit and what they don't admit even though everyone
knows they did it, not for the planned obsolescence (that was just a
bonus), but because they put the wrong battery in the wrong phone and
didn't want to honor the warranty.

Like all Apple Apologists, they can't come clean.

So they essentially apologized for the "misunderstanding". Heh heh.

They apologize for the "mis communication", heh heh...

And then they try to say all kids have their hands caught in the cookie
jar, with their idiotic white paper on batteries - which completely skirts
the issue that no other manufacturer on the planet was caught secretly,
*permanently*, and *drastically* cutting the CPU speeds (in half!).

The fact you can replace a defective battery for $38 after January still
doesn't solve the problem that they're the wrong batteries for the phones.

I *love* their clever apology - which literally screams they didn't do it
for planned obsolescence (they didn't - that was just a bonus) - and yet -
completely skirts the real reason they did it - which was they didn't want
to honor their battery warranty.

Since it's *still* the wrong battery for the phone, it's still a crime
(literally) that they force you to pay even $38 for a new battery.

Not only should the defective batteries be replaced for free, but, one year
after you put the new defective battery in the phone, you're fucked again.

I only speak fact.

 

[bitrex]

On 12/28/2017 11:34 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:

On Thu, 28 Dec 2017 22:36:07 -0500, bitrex
bitrex@de.lete.earthlink.net> wrote:

On 12/27/2017 11:48 AM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:

This might be a serious problem for someone on
Viagra, who's vision is shifted towards blue, and doesn't see any red.

Wait, what?

Cyanopsia or blue tinted vision
https://io9.gizmodo.com/why-viagra-tints-your-vision-blue-1685176169
https://www.zmescience.com/science/biology/why-viagra-makes-you-see-blue-0423432/

Executive summary: Viagra makes your world blue because an enzyme
that regulates activity in your crotch happens to be very similar to
an enzyme that regulates activity in your eyes.

Interesting, never knew about that side effect. I'll report back my
empirical findings after the upcoming New Year's weekend

 

[Jeff Liebermann]

On Fri, 29 Dec 2017 11:32:05 -0500, bitrex
<bitrex@de.lete.earthlink.net> wrote:

On 12/28/2017 11:34 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Thu, 28 Dec 2017 22:36:07 -0500, bitrex
bitrex@de.lete.earthlink.net> wrote:

On 12/27/2017 11:48 AM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:

This might be a serious problem for someone on
Viagra, who's vision is shifted towards blue, and doesn't see any red.

Wait, what?

Cyanopsia or blue tinted vision
https://io9.gizmodo.com/why-viagra-tints-your-vision-blue-1685176169
https://www.zmescience.com/science/biology/why-viagra-makes-you-see-blue-0423432/

Executive summary: Viagra makes your world blue because an enzyme
that regulates activity in your crotch happens to be very similar to
an enzyme that regulates activity in your eyes.

Interesting, never knew about that side effect. I'll report back my
empirical findings after the upcoming New Year's weekend

At this point, I would normally scribble a variety of sexually
explicit observations and suggestions. However, this is a family
newsgroup and such things are unfortunately deemed unacceptable.

Technical details: I'm told that it's not a "blue shift" but rather a
"blue tint". Also, the color varies but is generally considered to be
cyan (between blue and green) and not blue.

Full disclosure: I've never noticed the blue tint effect, probably
because I was too busy and distracted at the time.

--
Jeff Liebermann jeffl@cruzio.com
150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

 

[Harry Newton]

On Fri, 29 Dec 2017 08:57:24 -0800, Jeff Liebermann wrote:

Full disclosure: I've never noticed the blue tint effect, probably
because I was too busy and distracted at the time.

And all this time I thought I was looking through the world with
rose-tinted glasses!

 

[Ralph Mowery]

In article <71i74ddt8vjkceobkqfvogt0kf7bm77aoj@4ax.com>,
jeffl@cruzio.com says...

Sure, but if Apple did NOT reduce consumption somewhere as the battery
aged, you would complain that the iPhone battery didn't survive the
warranty period or operate the advertised number of hours.

What I find disgusting is that Apple did not make the feature optional
and controlled in the settings.

If it takes slowing down the Apple so the battery will last, the battery
is not meeting the standard. I can see it slowing down after the
battery has lasted as long as it is warranted to. There should be some
mention of that in the book that comes with it.


Seems that would be equal to a car that will only go 40 MPH after it
gets say 30,000 miles on it and is warrentied for 50,000.

 

[harry newton]

He who is Ralph Mowery said on Sat, 30 Dec 2017 23:08:57 -0500:

If it takes slowing down the Apple so the battery will last, the battery
is not meeting the standard. I can see it slowing down after the
battery has lasted as long as it is warranted to. There should be some
mention of that in the book that comes with it.


Seems that would be equal to a car that will only go 40 MPH after it
gets say 30,000 miles on it and is warrentied for 50,000.

This article backs up your feelings.

Apple Deserves What It Gets From This Battery Fiasco
<https://lonesysadmin.net/2017/12/29/apple-deserves-gets-battery-fiasco/>

 

[harry newton]

Apple iOS 11.2.5 Release: It's A Big One
<https://www.forbes.com/sites/gordonkelly/2018/01/01/apple-ios-11-2-5-release-iphone-battery-problem-slow-down/#52fb94c53b5c>

Verbatim quotes:
"We expect the iPhone X to be throttled in late 2018 with replacement
batteries for it back to full price by January 2019."

"Samsung guarantees 95% battery capacity retention for the first
two years of ownership. Meanwhile LG and Google offer two year
warranties, which also cover the battery."

"Apple's promise of a limited time price reduction (11 months) on new
iPhone batteries doesn't cut it, particularly with the swap taking
three days and no further pledge from Apple to change anything
going forward."

"Apple has admitted it slows iPhones - and coincidentally just after
the release of each new generation - to protect their already degrading
batteries from shutting off if the phone were to continue operating at
full performance."

"Not only does the well promoted title of Performance Champ suddenly
ring hollow now we know this *only lasts for one year*, but we also
know this behaviour isn't normal. HTC, Motorola, LG and Samsung are
among the major brands quick to stress they see no reason to throttle
the performance of their smartphones."

 

On Saturday, December 30, 2017 at 5:07:41 AM UTC-5, Harry Newton wrote:

On Fri, 29 Dec 2017 08:57:24 -0800, Jeff Liebermann wrote:

Full disclosure: I've never noticed the blue tint effect, probably
because I was too busy and distracted at the time.

And all this time I thought I was looking through the world with
rose-tinted glasses!

Sometimes so-called 'Big Tech' is like that.

 

[JF Mezei]

On 2018-01-01 22:14, harry newton wrote:

Verbatim quotes:
"We expect the iPhone X to be throttled in late 2018 with replacement
batteries for it back to full price by January 2019."

"exprect" is the keyword here. Speculation by some snews media. This is
not a statement from Apple and thus useless.

The product development of the X was done with knowl;edge of the
batterty problems for the 6s. So it is possible that it was fixed or
significantly reduced.

 

[harry newton]

He who is JF Mezei said on Tue, 2 Jan 2018 01:14:13 -0500:

"expect" is the keyword here. Speculation by some snews media. This is
not a statement from Apple and thus useless.

The product development of the X was done with knowledge of the
batterty problems for the 6s. So it is possible that it was fixed or
significantly reduced.

I think that's wishful thinking (sans facts) for two big reasons:
1. What you hope goes diametrically against what Apple actually said.
2. Apple didn't change their power-hungry single-threaded architecture.

Backing up those two facts is this recent article:
Apple Won't Stop Throttling iPhone Performance
<https://www.extremetech.com/mobile/261243-apple-cuts-battery-replacement-costs-wont-stop-throttling-iphone-performance>

That article clearly says Apple "won't stop" throttling of *all* newer
iPhones after about one year to about half their original CPU speeds.

Hence, the article makes the same claim that I do which is that Apple
iPhones effectively cost a *lot* more than just the sticker price:

"The effective cost of buying an Apple device is significantly higher
than it used to be, at least for people who keep their hardware more
than a year"

And, the article reiterates that Apple outright lied to its customers:

"Apple acknowledges that it failed to properly inform users about the
changes made in iOS 10.2.1 and the introduction of this throttling."

Interesting fact, since the Apple Apologists still deny what Apple already
admitted. Another fact that the Apple Apologists will hate is that this is
an Apple-only problem.

"Apple tries to dodge responsibility for its own smartphone designs"
"This is an Apple-only issue."

Everyone (but the Apple Apologists) already knew that this problem is an
Apple-created Apple-design problem, where *all* the major Android
manufacturers have gone on record publicy asserting

"Android phones do not perform this kind of throttling".

What's more interesting than that is where this article goes into decent
detail on the one thing that's different about Apple design:

"Single-threaded performance is the one area where Apple clearly
stands alone."

Interesting. The article posits that the Apple single-threaded design might
be the main reason why Apple batteries can't handle their phones:

"there's a strong relationship between power consumption and
architecture"

In summary, it's purely wishful thinking that Apple won't throttle *all*
their latest iPhones after one year because:
1. Apple themselves clearly said they'd throttle all their newest iPhones.
2. Apple didn't change their power-hungry single-threaded architecture.

Remember, this is an Apple-caused Apple-designed Apple-only problem,
despite nospam's clever hands-caught-in-the-cookie jar Apple Apologists'
attempt at saying Android manufacturers also *secretly*, *permanently*, and
*drastically* throttle CPU speeds of their phones after only one year of
ownership.

Everthing I state is a fact.