Altium DXP for designing Xilinx FPGA

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Dieter Keldenich

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Hi,

does anybody have experience in using Altium DXP for designing Xilinx FPGA?
Is it possible to compile Xilinx libraries (unisim/coregenlib/simprim) for
using them in DXP?
DXP is not supported by Xilinx, what are the risks in using it?

kind regards
Dieter Keldenich
 
Dieter Keldenich wrote:
Hi,

does anybody have experience in using Altium DXP for designing Xilinx FPGA?
Is it possible to compile Xilinx libraries (unisim/coregenlib/simprim) for
using them in DXP?
DXP is not supported by Xilinx, what are the risks in using it?
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You should ask this question on the altium forums,
available at the altium website.

Rene
--
Ing.Buero R.Tschaggelar - http://www.ibrtses.com
& commercial newsgroups - http://www.talkto.net
 
"Rene Tschaggelar" <none@none.none> wrote in message
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Dieter Keldenich wrote:
Hi,

does anybody have experience in using Altium DXP for designing Xilinx
FPGA?
Is it possible to compile Xilinx libraries (unisim/coregenlib/simprim)
for
using them in DXP?
DXP is not supported by Xilinx, what are the risks in using it?
Click to expand...
I evaluated DXP but unfortunately it expired before I got to the FPGA/VHDL
part, from
what I hear from others it is a decent tool, again , I don't have specifics.

You should ask this question on the altium forums,
available at the altium website.
Click to expand...
I think this si a valid question in this newsgroup, instead of lecturing
people
maybe you should try to help them! It would fit more with the spirit of this
newsgroup!

Rene
--
Ing.Buero R.Tschaggelar - http://www.ibrtses.com
& commercial newsgroups - http://www.talkto.net
Click to expand...
 
jakab tanko wrote:
"Rene Tschaggelar" <none@none.none> wrote in message
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Dieter Keldenich wrote:

does anybody have experience in using Altium DXP for designing Xilinx
FPGA?
Is it possible to compile Xilinx libraries (unisim/coregenlib/simprim)
for
using them in DXP?
DXP is not supported by Xilinx, what are the risks in using it?


I evaluated DXP but unfortunately it expired before I got to the FPGA/VHDL
part, from
what I hear from others it is a decent tool, again , I don't have specifics.


You should ask this question on the altium forums,
available at the altium website.


I think this si a valid question in this newsgroup, instead of lecturing
people
maybe you should try to help them! It would fit more with the spirit of this
newsgroup!
Click to expand...
Sorry about that.
Well, I didn't come this far with DXP yet.
Obviously this poster was not aware of the Altium groups.
They are a definite must for every DXP user anyway.
Perhaps a more knowledgeable DXP user knows an answer here.

Rene
--
Ing.Buero R.Tschaggelar - http://www.ibrtses.com
& commercial newsgroups - http://www.talkto.net
 
Hi Rene,

I do not find any Altium- or DXP-group here on my news server. Also on
www.altium.com, I only find an info, that there will come up a forum soon.
Where can I find the altium group?

thanks in advance
Dieter


"Rene Tschaggelar" <none@none.none> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
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jakab tanko wrote:
"Rene Tschaggelar" <none@none.none> wrote in message
news:65d1183ec9a699ea0d4f9acbd7c3a815@news.teranews.com...

Dieter Keldenich wrote:

does anybody have experience in using Altium DXP for designing Xilinx
FPGA?
Is it possible to compile Xilinx libraries (unisim/coregenlib/simprim)
for
using them in DXP?
DXP is not supported by Xilinx, what are the risks in using it?


I evaluated DXP but unfortunately it expired before I got to the
FPGA/VHDL
part, from
what I hear from others it is a decent tool, again , I don't have
specifics.


You should ask this question on the altium forums,
available at the altium website.


I think this si a valid question in this newsgroup, instead of lecturing
people
maybe you should try to help them! It would fit more with the spirit of
this
newsgroup!

Sorry about that.
Well, I didn't come this far with DXP yet.
Obviously this poster was not aware of the Altium groups.
They are a definite must for every DXP user anyway.
Perhaps a more knowledgeable DXP user knows an answer here.

Rene
--
Ing.Buero R.Tschaggelar - http://www.ibrtses.com
& commercial newsgroups - http://www.talkto.net
Click to expand...
 
Protel or Altium as they are now called.. have a long and very good users
group. It is referenced by Altium but I doubt there are many VHDL users
there as Protel is a PCB CAD package which has only lately started doing
VHDL.

You can Try tho.. but you have to have an official licensed version of DXP
;-)

Simon

dxp at forums dot altium dot com


"Dieter Keldenich" <dieterkeldenich@epost.de> wrote in message
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Hi Rene,

I do not find any Altium- or DXP-group here on my news server. Also on
www.altium.com, I only find an info, that there will come up a forum soon.
Where can I find the altium group?

thanks in advance
Dieter


"Rene Tschaggelar" <none@none.none> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
news:a91788f472d3dfa287e0664cd79fe203@news.teranews.com...
jakab tanko wrote:
"Rene Tschaggelar" <none@none.none> wrote in message
news:65d1183ec9a699ea0d4f9acbd7c3a815@news.teranews.com...

Dieter Keldenich wrote:

does anybody have experience in using Altium DXP for designing Xilinx
FPGA?
Is it possible to compile Xilinx libraries (unisim/coregenlib/simprim)
for
using them in DXP?
DXP is not supported by Xilinx, what are the risks in using it?


I evaluated DXP but unfortunately it expired before I got to the
FPGA/VHDL
part, from
what I hear from others it is a decent tool, again , I don't have
specifics.


You should ask this question on the altium forums,
available at the altium website.


I think this si a valid question in this newsgroup, instead of
lecturing
people
maybe you should try to help them! It would fit more with the spirit
of
this
newsgroup!

Sorry about that.
Well, I didn't come this far with DXP yet.
Obviously this poster was not aware of the Altium groups.
They are a definite must for every DXP user anyway.
Perhaps a more knowledgeable DXP user knows an answer here.

Rene
--
Ing.Buero R.Tschaggelar - http://www.ibrtses.com
& commercial newsgroups - http://www.talkto.net
Click to expand...
 
Hi Dieter-

I use DXP for PCB work and like it very much. I like the way it
organizes projects and find it interesting that it can handle FPGAs,
but don't see that as very practical since the two that it supports
(Xilinx and Altera) both offer synthesis tools with their free
toolsets. I can't say which is a better synthesizer, but I'd expect
the FPGA manufacturers would have the upper hand on that.

You can, however, draw schematics with Protel and compile them. This
would be a much better solution if you wanted to go the schematic
route. (since the schematic capture program (ECS) included with
Xilinx tools is about as convenient to work with as little pieces of
paper cutout like the symbols and using twigs to make connectivity)
You can use the standard symbols with DXP, and I would expect
something to deal with Cores, but haven't delved into it much.

Hope this helps at least a little.

Jake


"Dieter Keldenich" <dieterkeldenich@epost.de> wrote in message news:<3f91919a$0$19083$9b4e6d93@newsread2.arcor-online.net>...
Hi,

does anybody have experience in using Altium DXP for designing Xilinx FPGA?
Is it possible to compile Xilinx libraries (unisim/coregenlib/simprim) for
using them in DXP?
DXP is not supported by Xilinx, what are the risks in using it?

kind regards
Dieter Keldenich
Click to expand...
 
Dieter Keldenich wrote:

Hi,

does anybody have experience in using Altium DXP for designing Xilinx FPGA?
Is it possible to compile Xilinx libraries (unisim/coregenlib/simprim) for
using them in DXP?
DXP is not supported by Xilinx, what are the risks in using it?


I have not upgraded to DXP, but use the previous software, Protel 99SE.
Click to expand...
It was supposed to have Xilinx support, but I found a raft of stuff that
didn't work. The schematic part of the Xilinx ISE tools drives me
crazy, however, and so I have been experimenting with linking Protel99
to ISE, and finally got it to work. Protel's EDIF format is totally
fouled up, and their XNF output is close, but has some subtle bugs
that I was never able to figure out. But, the undocumented VHDL
output is almost perfect. To use the Xilinx schematic library parts,
you have to manually add a library declaration and a use statement
for that library to the VHDL file. That looks like :

library unisim;
use unisim.vcomponents.all;

The only other quirk is that Protel
repeats the "component" declaration of a schematic sheet that is used
more than once in the same schematic. I can now edit in these small
changes in a few seconds.

If you want to do Xilinx FPGAs in Verilog or VHDL, just forget
Protel, the Xilinx tools are going to be much more current, and I'd
trust their optimization a lot more than anyone else's. Note that
Xilinx's own software dropped all support for all 5 V chips about
3 years ago! That's why I'm still using ISE 4.1i, because all my work
is with 5 V chips at the moment.

Jon
 
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