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Tim
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Thu Nov 24, 2011 12:33 pm
These prices come up on Avnet Express. I searched via www.findchips.com.
Low end: XC7V2000T-1FH1761C - $29897.06
High end: XC7V2000T-G2FLG1925E - $67150.00
Does that make the the XC7V2000 the most expensive "standard production"
chip in the history of the galaxy?
Of course, it's probably pretty cheap in terms of transistors per
dollar. Heroic engineering, but I'm glad I am not a stockholder.
rickman
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Thu Nov 24, 2011 3:35 pm
On Nov 24, 6:33 am, Tim <t...@bugblatbugblat.com> wrote:
Quote:
These prices come up on Avnet Express. I searched viawww.findchips.com.
Low end: XC7V2000T-1FH1761C - $29897.06
High end: XC7V2000T-G2FLG1925E - $67150.00
Does that make the the XC7V2000 the most expensive "standard production"
chip in the history of the galaxy?
Of course, it's probably pretty cheap in terms of transistors per
dollar. Heroic engineering, but I'm glad I am not a stockholder.
Low end: XC7V2000T-1FH1761C - $29897.06
High end: XC7V2000T-G2FLG1925E - $67150.00
Does that make the the XC7V2000 the most expensive "standard production"
chip in the history of the galaxy?
Of course, it's probably pretty cheap in terms of transistors per
dollar. Heroic engineering, but I'm glad I am not a stockholder.
I guess they are only getting one good chip per wafer... after you add
in the cost of development the chips are a little on the expensive
side.
I worked for a test equipment maker once and they were using the
largest chip Xilinx made at that time which was a bargain at $1000.
But then the box it went in sold for $150,000 so the chip cost was
lost in the noise. I think they only expected to sell ten or so which
means they barely covered their development costs. The funny thing
was they were only using 10% of the chip, the rest was for "future
expansion". That's how little they cared about the cost.
Rick
Jon Elson
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Fri Nov 25, 2011 2:00 am
Tim wrote:
Quote:
These prices come up on Avnet Express. I searched via www.findchips.com.
Low end: XC7V2000T-1FH1761C - $29897.06
High end: XC7V2000T-G2FLG1925E - $67150.00
Does that make the the XC7V2000 the most expensive "standard production"
chip in the history of the galaxy?
Who can afford these things? The NSA? How many of these are
Low end: XC7V2000T-1FH1761C - $29897.06
High end: XC7V2000T-G2FLG1925E - $67150.00
Does that make the the XC7V2000 the most expensive "standard production"
chip in the history of the galaxy?
Who can afford these things? The NSA? How many of these are
they going to sell a year, a dozen?
Jon
Hal Murray
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Fri Nov 25, 2011 3:42 am
In article <5ec4deda-3211-41b1-99be-da1abf87b0c1_at_4g2000yqu.googlegroups.com>,
rickman <gnuarm_at_gmail.com> writes:
Quote:
I worked for a test equipment maker once and they were using the
largest chip Xilinx made at that time which was a bargain at $1000.
But then the box it went in sold for $150,000 so the chip cost was
lost in the noise. I think they only expected to sell ten or so which
means they barely covered their development costs. The funny thing
was they were only using 10% of the chip, the rest was for "future
expansion". That's how little they cared about the cost.
largest chip Xilinx made at that time which was a bargain at $1000.
But then the box it went in sold for $150,000 so the chip cost was
lost in the noise. I think they only expected to sell ten or so which
means they barely covered their development costs. The funny thing
was they were only using 10% of the chip, the rest was for "future
expansion". That's how little they cared about the cost.
That sounds like a good project for a MBA type case study.
I could easily believe that $10K is cheap insurance. How much would
it cost to figure out what size chip to use? Don't forget lost opportunity
cost as well as the more obvious costs. Do you want your best guys
spending time on figuring out what size chip to use or getting the project
ready to ship?
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Morten Leikvoll
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Fri Nov 25, 2011 8:57 am
"Tim" <tim_at_bugblatbugblat.com> wrote in message
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Quote:
These prices come up on Avnet Express. I searched via www.findchips.com.
Low end: XC7V2000T-1FH1761C - $29897.06
High end: XC7V2000T-G2FLG1925E - $67150.00
Does that make the the XC7V2000 the most expensive "standard production"
chip in the history of the galaxy?
Of course, it's probably pretty cheap in terms of transistors per dollar.
Heroic engineering, but I'm glad I am not a stockholder.
Low end: XC7V2000T-1FH1761C - $29897.06
High end: XC7V2000T-G2FLG1925E - $67150.00
Does that make the the XC7V2000 the most expensive "standard production"
chip in the history of the galaxy?
Of course, it's probably pretty cheap in terms of transistors per dollar.
Heroic engineering, but I'm glad I am not a stockholder.
The prices there are probably worthless. Make a serious approach to a Xilinx
distributor, and you will get a completely different price. Still expensive,
but a lot lower.
That happens with both Altera and Xilinx, as they have full control of
customers and prices. Each customer gets its own price, based on forecast,
risk and a few other parameters.
Morten Leikvoll
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Fri Nov 25, 2011 8:58 am
"Morten Leikvoll" <mleikvol_at_yahoo.nospam> wrote in message
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Quote:
"Tim" <tim_at_bugblatbugblat.com> wrote in message
news:iYpzq.83081$WC5.57219_at_newsfe09.ams2...
These prices come up on Avnet Express. I searched via www.findchips.com.
Low end: XC7V2000T-1FH1761C - $29897.06
High end: XC7V2000T-G2FLG1925E - $67150.00
Does that make the the XC7V2000 the most expensive "standard production"
chip in the history of the galaxy?
Of course, it's probably pretty cheap in terms of transistors per dollar.
Heroic engineering, but I'm glad I am not a stockholder.
The prices there are probably worthless. Make a serious approach to a
Xilinx distributor, and you will get a completely different price. Still
expensive, but a lot lower.
That happens with both Altera and Xilinx, as they have full control of
customers and prices. Each customer gets its own price, based on forecast,
risk and a few other parameters.
news:iYpzq.83081$WC5.57219_at_newsfe09.ams2...
These prices come up on Avnet Express. I searched via www.findchips.com.
Low end: XC7V2000T-1FH1761C - $29897.06
High end: XC7V2000T-G2FLG1925E - $67150.00
Does that make the the XC7V2000 the most expensive "standard production"
chip in the history of the galaxy?
Of course, it's probably pretty cheap in terms of transistors per dollar.
Heroic engineering, but I'm glad I am not a stockholder.
The prices there are probably worthless. Make a serious approach to a
Xilinx distributor, and you will get a completely different price. Still
expensive, but a lot lower.
That happens with both Altera and Xilinx, as they have full control of
customers and prices. Each customer gets its own price, based on forecast,
risk and a few other parameters.
And I should add, the next chips will progably be even cheaper. It is normal
to give a step price model to customers.
General Schvantzkoph
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Fri Nov 25, 2011 9:28 pm
On Thu, 24 Nov 2011 11:33:33 +0000, Tim wrote:
Quote:
These prices come up on Avnet Express. I searched via www.findchips.com.
Low end: XC7V2000T-1FH1761C - $29897.06 High end: XC7V2000T-G2FLG1925E
- $67150.00
Does that make the the XC7V2000 the most expensive "standard production"
chip in the history of the galaxy?
Of course, it's probably pretty cheap in terms of transistors per
dollar. Heroic engineering, but I'm glad I am not a stockholder.
Low end: XC7V2000T-1FH1761C - $29897.06 High end: XC7V2000T-G2FLG1925E
- $67150.00
Does that make the the XC7V2000 the most expensive "standard production"
chip in the history of the galaxy?
Of course, it's probably pretty cheap in terms of transistors per
dollar. Heroic engineering, but I'm glad I am not a stockholder.
That's a pretty good price for parts that are made out of pure
unobtainium.
Nico Coesel
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Fri Nov 25, 2011 10:08 pm
Jon Elson <elson_at_pico-systems.com> wrote:
Quote:
Tim wrote:
These prices come up on Avnet Express. I searched via www.findchips.com.
Low end: XC7V2000T-1FH1761C - $29897.06
High end: XC7V2000T-G2FLG1925E - $67150.00
Does that make the the XC7V2000 the most expensive "standard production"
chip in the history of the galaxy?
Who can afford these things? The NSA?
These prices come up on Avnet Express. I searched via www.findchips.com.
Low end: XC7V2000T-1FH1761C - $29897.06
High end: XC7V2000T-G2FLG1925E - $67150.00
Does that make the the XC7V2000 the most expensive "standard production"
chip in the history of the galaxy?
Who can afford these things? The NSA?
The same people that spend that kind of money on a scope or logic
analyzer. I guess these devices are very handy for prototyping ASICs.
The most expensive Virtex I ever worked with was $1000. At that time
my employer let us re-design the product using a couple of Spartan 2
devices.
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Failure does not prove something is impossible, failure simply
indicates you are not using the right tools...
nico_at_nctdevpuntnl (punt=.)
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Bob Perlman
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Fri Nov 25, 2011 10:10 pm
On Nov 24, 3:33 am, Tim <t...@bugblatbugblat.com> wrote:
Quote:
These prices come up on Avnet Express. I searched viawww.findchips.com.
Low end: XC7V2000T-1FH1761C - $29897.06
High end: XC7V2000T-G2FLG1925E - $67150.00
Does that make the the XC7V2000 the most expensive "standard production"
chip in the history of the galaxy?
Of course, it's probably pretty cheap in terms of transistors per
dollar. Heroic engineering, but I'm glad I am not a stockholder.
Low end: XC7V2000T-1FH1761C - $29897.06
High end: XC7V2000T-G2FLG1925E - $67150.00
Does that make the the XC7V2000 the most expensive "standard production"
chip in the history of the galaxy?
Of course, it's probably pretty cheap in terms of transistors per
dollar. Heroic engineering, but I'm glad I am not a stockholder.
This is why I always buy FPGAs in the jumbo economy pack.
Bob Perlman
Cambrian Design Works
Matthias Alles
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Mon Nov 28, 2011 12:24 pm
Am 24.11.2011 12:33, schrieb Tim:
Quote:
These prices come up on Avnet Express. I searched via www.findchips.com.
Low end: XC7V2000T-1FH1761C - $29897.06
High end: XC7V2000T-G2FLG1925E - $67150.00
Does that make the the XC7V2000 the most expensive "standard production"
chip in the history of the galaxy?
Of course, it's probably pretty cheap in terms of transistors per
dollar. Heroic engineering, but I'm glad I am not a stockholder.
Low end: XC7V2000T-1FH1761C - $29897.06
High end: XC7V2000T-G2FLG1925E - $67150.00
Does that make the the XC7V2000 the most expensive "standard production"
chip in the history of the galaxy?
Of course, it's probably pretty cheap in terms of transistors per
dollar. Heroic engineering, but I'm glad I am not a stockholder.
Think of how much money you have to invest, in order to fill 2.4 million
LUTs with useful logic. Then the price appears in another light.
Matthias
Thomas Entner
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Mon Nov 28, 2011 4:06 pm
On 28 Nov., 12:24, Matthias Alles
<matthiasPuTDoTHerEal...@creonic.com> wrote:
Quote:
Am 24.11.2011 12:33, schrieb Tim:
These prices come up on Avnet Express. I searched viawww.findchips.com.
Low end: XC7V2000T-1FH1761C - $29897.06
High end: XC7V2000T-G2FLG1925E - $67150.00
Does that make the the XC7V2000 the most expensive "standard production"
chip in the history of the galaxy?
Of course, it's probably pretty cheap in terms of transistors per
dollar. Heroic engineering, but I'm glad I am not a stockholder.
Think of how much money you have to invest, in order to fill 2.4 million
LUTs with useful logic. Then the price appears in another light.
Matthias
These prices come up on Avnet Express. I searched viawww.findchips.com.
Low end: XC7V2000T-1FH1761C - $29897.06
High end: XC7V2000T-G2FLG1925E - $67150.00
Does that make the the XC7V2000 the most expensive "standard production"
chip in the history of the galaxy?
Of course, it's probably pretty cheap in terms of transistors per
dollar. Heroic engineering, but I'm glad I am not a stockholder.
Think of how much money you have to invest, in order to fill 2.4 million
LUTs with useful logic. Then the price appears in another light.
Matthias
You design just once, but maybe want to sell many units... But at
least the prices are precisly calculated, look at the 6 cents of the
"low-end" part.
But seriously: When you look what you can do with a 40kLUTs part, then
designs that large are either bad/inefficient, brute-force-approaches
("do the same thing 100 times") or incredible huge projects. So I
guess, the real useful application is ASIC-prototyping, so you are
right...
Thomas
Michael Laajanen
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Fri Dec 02, 2011 7:59 am
Hi,
Matthias Alles skrev 2011-11-28 12:24:
Quote:
Am 24.11.2011 12:33, schrieb Tim:
These prices come up on Avnet Express. I searched via www.findchips.com.
Low end: XC7V2000T-1FH1761C - $29897.06
High end: XC7V2000T-G2FLG1925E - $67150.00
Does that make the the XC7V2000 the most expensive "standard production"
chip in the history of the galaxy?
Of course, it's probably pretty cheap in terms of transistors per
dollar. Heroic engineering, but I'm glad I am not a stockholder.
Think of how much money you have to invest, in order to fill 2.4 million
LUTs with useful logic. Then the price appears in another light.
Matthias
That DĀ“depends on how you code
These prices come up on Avnet Express. I searched via www.findchips.com.
Low end: XC7V2000T-1FH1761C - $29897.06
High end: XC7V2000T-G2FLG1925E - $67150.00
Does that make the the XC7V2000 the most expensive "standard production"
chip in the history of the galaxy?
Of course, it's probably pretty cheap in terms of transistors per
dollar. Heroic engineering, but I'm glad I am not a stockholder.
Think of how much money you have to invest, in order to fill 2.4 million
LUTs with useful logic. Then the price appears in another light.
Matthias
That DĀ“depends on how you code
Imagine using a schematic tool and primitives only exept for a few ROMs
for microcode THEN the V7 price becomes a bargain;)
/michael
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