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Ricky C
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Sat May 02, 2020 2:45 am   



On Friday, May 1, 2020 at 9:25:02 PM UTC-4, RosemontCrest wrote:
Quote:
On 5/1/2020 5:59 PM, Ricky C wrote:
On Friday, May 1, 2020 at 8:39:48 PM UTC-4, RosemontCrest wrote:
On 5/1/2020 3:50 PM, Cursitor Doom wrote:
On Fri, 01 May 2020 15:28:47 -0700, mpm wrote:

On Thursday, April 30, 2020 at 11:19:08 PM UTC-4,
DecadentLinux...@decadence.org wrote:
Somebody here knows the differences.

I prefer GoToMeeting for the sole reason that is it already setup on my
work computer, and the very few groups that I need to attend remotely
use that platform.

I'll never use Skype again on principle, since they attempted to covertly
bar access to Linux users. Fuck 'em. Anyway, from what I gather, Zoom is
the hottest thing out there currently and what I would go with if I were
looking for a new video-calling service.

So, you would use Zoom simply because it is "the hottest thing out
there." Is that the only criterion you use when selecting products?

We used Zoom with a meetup group to play online trivia. The video of the trivia guy was sent to all of us and we had a little window to share our images. It worked rather poorly, but it's hard to say why. The video was so poor resolution that I couldn't read the text in the video which was not small. When I pulled up the video in another windows I found there was a big time lag, four seconds or more for that video to appear on the Zoom screen. Conversation was ridiculously difficult with voices from everyone in the group and the video all active at once and with echos. Everyone talking at once is not Zoom's fault, but what's up with the bad telephone hybrid like echos?

It was so bad I don't think I'm going to participate anymore.

Thank you. Having not used it, I wonder why Zoom is so popular now, and
how it could possibly be any better than what was available before. You
provide a more reasoned response than it's "the hottest thing out there."


Please don't think my experience is typical. I want to make it clear that I was only a user and didn't set it up so I have no idea what was wrong or what was even happening. It's a crowd that does things like this now that we are all shut-ins and they have their own way of doing things.

Sunday we have a meeting to discuss the future direction of the group and I am dreading it a bit. But at least that isn't a bunch of people playing trivia so they shouldn't be talking over one another.

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Dan Purgert
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Sat May 02, 2020 2:45 am   



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Ricky C wrote:
Quote:
[...] Everyone talking at once is not Zoom's fault, but what's up with
the bad telephone hybrid like echos?


Laptops with integrated microphones. Mic picks up the other person
talking, and feeds it back into the meeting.

The person (or persons) responsible needs to turn down the sensitivity
on the mic, or their speaker volume. Or if there's a Push-to-talk
feature, use that.


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RosemontCrest
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Sat May 02, 2020 2:45 am   



On 5/1/2020 5:59 PM, Ricky C wrote:
Quote:
On Friday, May 1, 2020 at 8:39:48 PM UTC-4, RosemontCrest wrote:
On 5/1/2020 3:50 PM, Cursitor Doom wrote:
On Fri, 01 May 2020 15:28:47 -0700, mpm wrote:

On Thursday, April 30, 2020 at 11:19:08 PM UTC-4,
DecadentLinux...@decadence.org wrote:
Somebody here knows the differences.

I prefer GoToMeeting for the sole reason that is it already setup on my
work computer, and the very few groups that I need to attend remotely
use that platform.

I'll never use Skype again on principle, since they attempted to covertly
bar access to Linux users. Fuck 'em. Anyway, from what I gather, Zoom is
the hottest thing out there currently and what I would go with if I were
looking for a new video-calling service.

So, you would use Zoom simply because it is "the hottest thing out
there." Is that the only criterion you use when selecting products?

We used Zoom with a meetup group to play online trivia. The video of the trivia guy was sent to all of us and we had a little window to share our images. It worked rather poorly, but it's hard to say why. The video was so poor resolution that I couldn't read the text in the video which was not small. When I pulled up the video in another windows I found there was a big time lag, four seconds or more for that video to appear on the Zoom screen. Conversation was ridiculously difficult with voices from everyone in the group and the video all active at once and with echos. Everyone talking at once is not Zoom's fault, but what's up with the bad telephone hybrid like echos?

It was so bad I don't think I'm going to participate anymore.

Thank you. Having not used it, I wonder why Zoom is so popular now, and
how it could possibly be any better than what was available before. You
provide a more reasoned response than it's "the hottest thing out there."

Ricky C
Guest

Sat May 02, 2020 2:45 am   



On Friday, May 1, 2020 at 8:39:48 PM UTC-4, RosemontCrest wrote:
Quote:
On 5/1/2020 3:50 PM, Cursitor Doom wrote:
On Fri, 01 May 2020 15:28:47 -0700, mpm wrote:

On Thursday, April 30, 2020 at 11:19:08 PM UTC-4,
DecadentLinux...@decadence.org wrote:
Somebody here knows the differences.

I prefer GoToMeeting for the sole reason that is it already setup on my
work computer, and the very few groups that I need to attend remotely
use that platform.

I'll never use Skype again on principle, since they attempted to covertly
bar access to Linux users. Fuck 'em. Anyway, from what I gather, Zoom is
the hottest thing out there currently and what I would go with if I were
looking for a new video-calling service.

So, you would use Zoom simply because it is "the hottest thing out
there." Is that the only criterion you use when selecting products?


We used Zoom with a meetup group to play online trivia. The video of the trivia guy was sent to all of us and we had a little window to share our images. It worked rather poorly, but it's hard to say why. The video was so poor resolution that I couldn't read the text in the video which was not small. When I pulled up the video in another windows I found there was a big time lag, four seconds or more for that video to appear on the Zoom screen.. Conversation was ridiculously difficult with voices from everyone in the group and the video all active at once and with echos. Everyone talking at once is not Zoom's fault, but what's up with the bad telephone hybrid like echos?

It was so bad I don't think I'm going to participate anymore.

--

Rick C.

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mpm
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Sat May 02, 2020 3:45 am   



On Friday, May 1, 2020 at 9:45:51 PM UTC-4, Ricky C wrote:
Quote:
The provider is small and there's not much he can do about it being overloaded, it seems. In fact, there are times when even before the shut in that the service would just go down and he'd have a hard time getting it back up.


First name basis, huh? Smile
Reminds me of the Three Rivers Telephone Cooperative. (Montana).

Not exactly a happy memory.

Ricky C
Guest

Sat May 02, 2020 3:45 am   



On Friday, May 1, 2020 at 9:28:42 PM UTC-4, Dan Purgert wrote:
Quote:
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
Hash: SHA512

Ricky C wrote:
[...] Everyone talking at once is not Zoom's fault, but what's up with
the bad telephone hybrid like echos?

Laptops with integrated microphones. Mic picks up the other person
talking, and feeds it back into the meeting.

The person (or persons) responsible needs to turn down the sensitivity
on the mic, or their speaker volume. Or if there's a Push-to-talk
feature, use that.


Why would that cause an echo unless there was considerable latency in the connection? Maybe that was on my end. My connection is not so good these days with everyone at home. The provider is small and there's not much he can do about it being overloaded, it seems. In fact, there are times when even before the shut in that the service would just go down and he'd have a hard time getting it back up.

What's with the PGP signature thing? Does anyone use that?

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Clifford Heath
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Sat May 02, 2020 5:45 am   



On 2/5/20 11:45 am, Ricky C wrote:
Quote:
On Friday, May 1, 2020 at 9:28:42 PM UTC-4, Dan Purgert wrote:
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
Hash: SHA512

Ricky C wrote:
[...] Everyone talking at once is not Zoom's fault, but what's up with
the bad telephone hybrid like echos?

Laptops with integrated microphones. Mic picks up the other person
talking, and feeds it back into the meeting.

The person (or persons) responsible needs to turn down the sensitivity
on the mic, or their speaker volume. Or if there's a Push-to-talk
feature, use that.

Why would that cause an echo unless there was considerable latency in the connection?


Most of the conferencing systems have some sort of echo-cancelling. They
vary in how good they are. Few cope with long latencies, and none cope
well with varying latency.

CH

Cursitor Doom
Guest

Sat May 02, 2020 2:45 pm   



On Fri, 01 May 2020 17:39:40 -0700, RosemontCrest wrote:

Quote:
So, you would use Zoom simply because it is "the hottest thing out
there." Is that the only criterion you use when selecting products?


Yup, absolutely everything - with the sole exception of heatsinks.

Klaus Kragelund
Guest

Sat May 02, 2020 8:45 pm   



We use team viewer at work

It is stable and performs well
Has documentation features also

Zoom is great also, but not secure


Guest

Sat May 02, 2020 8:45 pm   



Cursitor Doom <cd_at_not4mail.com> wrote in news:r8js1g$uec$1_at_dont-
email.me:

Quote:
On Fri, 01 May 2020 17:39:40 -0700, RosemontCrest wrote:

So, you would use Zoom simply because it is "the hottest thing out
there." Is that the only criterion you use when selecting products?

Yup, absolutely everything - with the sole exception of heatsinks.


Critter-eon... <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=giDttMU-k00>

Winfield Hill
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Tue May 05, 2020 11:45 am   



Klaus Kragelund wrote...
Quote:

We use team viewer at work

It is stable and performs well
Has documentation features also

Zoom is great also, but not secure


Q & A from 2013:

Q. Can TeamViewer spy on you?

A. We use Teamviewer and also Webex. We install it as
on our client's computers. If you start it and give
mouse/keyboard control and walk away, then yes, they
can spy on your computer files. If you are present,
you can see everything they do.


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- Win

Phil Hobbs
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Tue May 05, 2020 3:45 pm   



On 2020-05-05 06:21, Winfield Hill wrote:
Quote:
Klaus Kragelund wrote...

We use team viewer at work

It is stable and performs well
Has documentation features also

Zoom is great also, but not secure

Q & A from 2013:

Q. Can TeamViewer spy on you?

A. We use Teamviewer and also Webex. We install it as
on our client's computers. If you start it and give
mouse/keyboard control and walk away, then yes, they
can spy on your computer files. If you are present,
you can see everything they do.


I use Zoom in a disposable VM running under Qubes, which is a Xen
distribution running various flavours of Fedora, Debian, and Whonix.

The only files it can touch are the ones in the VM template, unless I
copy something to the VM in order to put it on screen share (which I
rarely do).

Qubes also allows very fine-grained control of cameras, mics, USB
devices, and so forth.

Good Medicine.

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

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Principal Consultant
ElectroOptical Innovations LLC / Hobbs ElectroOptics
Optics, Electro-optics, Photonics, Analog Electronics
Briarcliff Manor NY 10510

http://electrooptical.net
http://hobbs-eo.com


Guest

Wed May 06, 2020 1:45 am   



On Thursday, April 30, 2020 at 11:19:08 PM UTC-4, DecadentLinux...@decadence.org wrote:
> Somebody here knows the differences.

ummm, better for what???
Depending on your particular situation, they both have abysmal security. Both are not allowed on military and certain other gov agencies.
Sharing documents - Zoom is easier to use and has some nicer features. The interface to skype if extremely non-intuitive.
Audio communication - both are OK, but I'd rather use a cell phone - both suffer from audio compaction/expansion - my experience is that skype is worse.
Video telecon - Zoom more user friendly, and does not seem to suffer the audio problem as much as skype.
CPU utilization - skype seems to be a resource hog more than zoom
Handling multiple participants in a video teleconference - I believe zoom is better than skype - IME, both have degraded noticably with additional users, but skype seem to drop off faster.
I've also noticed a difference in the 'free' version of zoom vs the paid version. The paid version seems generally more stable at handling more ppl.
I can't give any use statistics, because I havent conducted any real testing other than personal and business us experience.
J

mpm
Guest

Thu May 07, 2020 2:45 am   



A colleague that got let go (layoff) due to the coronavirus thing happens to live in an area where his cell phone service is awful.

I was going to give him a desktop Skype adapter that I've not used in many years, but when I just now tried to use it, I find that it won't connect to Skype (and apparently Skype "no longer supports the API for incoming calls..") Doesn't say anything about outbound calls. The model I have is the XBlue Networks SP2014. In fact I have two of them.

But my question:
Are there any Skype desktop phones out there similar to the SP2014?
Can the SP2014 still be used to make outbound calls? (Or is it now bricked courtesy of Skype and Microsoft?)

When I tried to use the SP2014 tonight, I'm not sure if I'm entering my Skype account correctly, and/or have all the network settings right (even though it's DHCP). Thus, I can't answer the question about outbound calls myself.

My friend can always use Skype via PC, headphones and mic.
But I thought I would give him these SP2014's if they will actually connect and work.

Anybody know?

Thanks.

Jeff Liebermann
Guest

Thu May 07, 2020 5:45 am   



On Wed, 6 May 2020 18:33:26 -0700 (PDT), mpm <mpmillard_at_aol.com>
wrote:

>Are there any Skype desktop phones out there similar to the SP2014?

<https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/skypeforbusiness/what-is-phone-system-in-office-365/getting-phones-for-skype-for-business-online/getting-phones-for-skype-for-business-online>

Quote:
Can the SP2014 still be used to make outbound calls? (Or is it now
bricked courtesy of Skype and Microsoft?)


Which SP2014?
Is it the X Blue Skype phone:
<https://xblue.com/support/pdf/Skype/Skype-Phone-User-Guide.pdf>
I tried a variety of dealers and every one shows "out of stock".
Or perhaps it's the Freetalk SP2014?
<https://focusingonwildlife.com/news/tag/freetalk-sp2014/>
or maybe this one?
<https://lawm.github.io/2018/06/16/skype-phone.html>

My guess(tm) is that MicroSloth pulled the plug on most Skype phones:
"Microsoft pulls the plug on Skype-certified phones" (2017)
<https://focusingonwildlife.com/news/microsoft-pulls-the-plug-on-skype-certified-phones/>

To insure maximum confusion, Skype seems to also support an assortment
of "IP Phones" (whatever that means):
<https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/skypeforbusiness/certification/devices-ip-phones>

Anyway, it's a mess. I suspect that if it's not blessed by Microsoft,
it won't work with Skype.

Incidentally, if you must use Skype, there are various unauthorized
SIP to Skype gateways available, some of which might still be
functional:
<https://www.voip-info.org/skype-gateways/>

Quote:
When I tried to use the SP2014 tonight, I'm not sure if I'm
entering my Skype account correctly, and/or have all the network
settings right (even though it's DHCP). Thus, I can't answer
the question about outbound calls myself.


Try calling "Skype Test Call" also known as "echo123".


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