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Jeff Liebermann
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Mon Feb 04, 2019 12:45 am   



On Sun, 3 Feb 2019 20:39:20 -0000 (UTC), arlen holder
<arlen_at_arlen.com> wrote:

> <http://www.bild.me/bild.php?file=9589436plateglue01.jpg>

Thanks. Now I understand. The suggestions of using double sided tape
is closest to the solution. Usually, there's a die cut pre-form in
the shape of the bezel on the phone supplied with the replacement
touch screen. It's basically double sided tape cut to the exact shape
needed to attach the digitizer. As mentioned, the backing tape is
quite thin. I couldn't find one for your LG phone.

So, that leaves the question of what manner of glue was used on the
die cut pre-form. My original guess was some manner of rubber cement.
The problem is that there are a fairly large number of different types
of rubber cement, ranging from very permanent contact cement, to the
thin temporary rubber cement sold in art supply stores for photo and
picture mounts. Kinda like the weird glue used on Post-It notes.

I have some of the die cut pre-forms for an Apple 3G which I can use
to analyze the glue. However, I don't want to, don't have the time,
and would rather be doing something more interesting. Sorry.

Meanwhile, see if the glues are acceptable:
<https://www.ebay.com/itm/9-15-25-50ML-B-7000-Strength-Glue-Phone-Screen-Rhinestone-Pasting-Adhesive/312448029236>
<https://www.ebay.com/itm/Mobile-Phone-Screen-Adhesive-Clear-Black-Liquid-Glue-B7000-T7000-E8000-T8000/232887790775>
Tape:
<https://www.ebay.com/itm/2-3-5mm-Double-Sided-Adhesive-Tape-for-Mobile-Phone-Touch-Screen-Repair-25M/302902142611>
More:
<https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_nkw=mobile+phone+screen+adhesive>
It looks to be about 75% solvent, which I think is about right for a
low viscosity glue.

Quote:
Notice:
A. The glue itself is like the sticky glue found on typical tape
B. There is zero glue in the center "active" area of the screen
C. But most certainly, there is 1mm of glue on the long perimeter


Again, think heavily diluted rubber cement and die cut pre-forms.

Quote:
The situation on the plate itself is:
http://www.bild.me/bild.php?file=1553143plateglue06.jpg
1. The phone at right was dropped such that the plate cracked.
2. I removed that badly cracked plate easily, as 1 piece (to swap)
3. That fact pretty much proves the plate is a "plastic sandwich"

The situation I have now, is that:
4. I easily swapped the broken plate from the right to left phone.
5. It's working just fine on the left phone (no air bubbles for example).
6. It's actually _surprising_ given there is zero center-area glue

I repeat that it's actually shocking, to me, how _well_ this plate works
given that only on the perimeter has _any_ glue!


That's because the various layers of the sandwich are VERY flat and
are held together by surface tension from water vapor in the boundary
area. It's something like what holds gauge blocks together, except
those usually have a layer of oil in addition to water vapor.

>And yet, there are no bubbles.

Yep. The glass and plastic are not sufficiently elastic and will
therefore not stretch sufficiently to create bubbles.

Quote:
Here's where the problem arose when we swapped plates:
7. The plate in the center was removed easily from the left phone
8. But we dropped it on the floor when moving to the right phone
9. In subsequent cleanup, we destroyed the "stickiness" of the glue


Cleaning off the old glue, and replacing it with new glue will
probably be beyond our capabilities. You can try using a rubber
squeegee to apply a thin layer, but I suspect you'll need some kind of
fixture to get any manner of consistency. It's also not worth the
effort as a new screen will do the job for less money and effort. Try
some solvent (not sure what type) on the existing mess and see if the
stickiness returns.

Quote:
I've seen the videos that use a "liquid" glue which is _not_ used here.
This is a static sticky goopy glue (sort of what's on the back of tape).


When the carrier solvent evaporates, what's left is your sticky goopy
glue.

Quote:
If we could figure out what glue they use to put on the back of typical
tape (like Scotch tape), that would likely be the only glue we need.


It's called a PSA (pressure sensitive adhesive) and is probably an
acrylic (or acrylate):
<https://www.can-dotape.com/adhesive-tape-consultant/adhesives-used-for-tape/>

"Scotch Transparent Tape"
<https://www.acs.org/content/acs/en/education/whatischemistry/landmarks/scotchtape.html>
Rubber shortages during the war prompted 3M to switch to
synthetic acrylate adhesives. Although not as strong,
acrylate adhesives retained their clarity and actually
aged better than rubber-based adhesives, which turned
yellow and brittle over time. Later, acrylate adhesives
would be mated with an acetate backing to create "invisible"
Scotch® Magic™ Tape, the first tape that could be written
on with pencil, pen, or marker.

Basically, it's acrylic plastic dissolved in some type of solvent.

Quote:
1. There _is_ glue on the entire perimeter
(Where I had thought it was only on the top & bottom.)


Ok, if there is glue all over the screen, then it has to be very thin,
not very sticky, achromatic (so the colors don't change), and very
very very clear. That's not something you'll find at the local
hardware store.

Quote:
2. There is a lip all around the edge of the phone
(Whch I hadn't noticed until I looked to see why it stays in place.)

There is a lip on the phone, which I never noticed until just now.
o That lip, I think, keeps the plate from sliding side to side.

All I need to do is "tack" the plate onto the glass screen.
o The original glue "tacked" the plate at the top & bottom


I don't think the layers of the sandwich will slide over each other,
but they curl or slip from uneven temperatures.

Quote:
The question becomes:
o Where does one get the sticky glue that is on typical tape?


First, you have to identify it. I usually start with a patent search.
Look for "pressure sensitive adhesive tape LCD".
<https://patents.google.com/?q=pressure&q=sensitive&q=adhesive+tape+LCD>

This one looks interesting:
<https://patents.google.com/patent/US20040191509A1/en?q=pressure&q=sensitive&q=adhesive+tape+LCD>
...examples of which include known or usual pressure-sensitive
adhesives such as acrylic pressure-sensitive adhesives,
silicone based pressure-sensitive adhesives, polyester
based pressure-sensitive adhesives, rubber based
pressure-sensitive adhesives, and polyurethane based
pressure-sensitive adhesives. The pressure-sensitive adhesive
can be used singly or in admixture of two or more thereof.
So, it can be acrylic, silicone, rubber, polyurethane, or a mixture of
the aforementioned. Not very helpful, but at least it's a start.

--
Jeff Liebermann jeffl_at_cruzio.com
150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

Jeff Liebermann
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Mon Feb 04, 2019 5:45 am   



On Sun, 03 Feb 2019 14:54:48 -0800, Jeff Liebermann <jeffl_at_cruzio.com>
wrote:

Quote:
I have some of the die cut pre-forms for an Apple 3G which I can use
to analyze the glue. However, I don't want to, don't have the time,
and would rather be doing something more interesting. Sorry.


The die cut pre-forms for the iPhone 3G
<https://www.ebay.com/itm/281081951611>
turned out to be 3M 300LSE double coated sticky tape. It's designed
for attaching digitizers to phones and high strength acrylic glue. LSE
means "low surface energy" which is a property of the material the
tape is bonding, not the adhesive. 300LSE is the 3M designation for
the adhesive, not the tape.

Google finds quite a bit on this tape:
<https://www.google.com/search?q=3m+300LSE>

Data (so many too choose from):
<https://www.hstmaterials.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/3M-300lse.pdf>
<https://multimedia.3m.com/mws/media/545361O/high-stength-dc-tape-w-adhesive-300lse-9475le-9475leb.pdf>
<https://www.3m.com/3M/en_US/company-us/all-3m-products/~/All-3M-Products/Adhesives-Tapes/Industrial-Adhesives-and-Tapes/Adhesive-Transfer-Tapes-Double-Coated-Tapes/Adhesive-Transfer-Tapes/?N=5002385+8710676+8710815+8710955+8711017+8713612+3294857497&rt=r3>

You can buy it by the sheet or roll:
<https://www.amazon.com/300lse-Adhesive-Transfer-Attaching-Digitizers/dp/B00LWFO5R6>
<https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_nkw=300LSE>

There's also quite a bit under 3M acrylic adhesive:
<https://www.google.com/search?q=3m+acrylic+adhesive>

However, there's a problem. I don't know exactly which of the many
types of tapes that use 300LSE is best for holding smartphone screens
together. Probably the one with the thinnest backing. However, you
want a temporary bond, which makes the high strength characteristics a
rather bad idea.


--
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150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

John-Del
Guest

Mon Feb 04, 2019 2:45 pm   



On Sunday, February 3, 2019 at 4:01:22 PM UTC-5, arlen holder wrote:

Quote:
Looking at the John-Del post, the condescending implication is
o The things are dirt cheap (where he got his numbers wrong, apparently)



Do you even know what condescending means?



Quote:
The question _never_ was about the glass plate itself (nor its price):
o Besides, John-Del's prices appeared to be off by a *lot* (percentage wise)

So his conclusions are likewise, similarly suspect.


That's two.


Quote:
It's also not a big deal actually that "John-Del" was wrong.
o His implication was completely off base from the topic of this thread
o And his math was off by a huge amount (percentage wise)
o So his conclusions are also completely dead wrong (as a result)


That's three.


Quote:
Again, it's _not_ a big deal that John-Del is apparently dead wrong.
o His solution merely uses a credit card - which isn't the point here.


That's four.

Wow, did I piss in your Corn Flakes sometime on another thread?

My first piece of advice to you was to contact 3M. I wasn't being flip when I suggested that no one knows more about adhesives than 3M. If you want to learn what type of adhesive was used, there's an excellent chance 3M has a product. But it won't be cheap. 3M stuff is always expensive, but it always is at the top of products available to industry and home use.


My second piece of advice was to just replace the protector. If you asked only about the adhesive for curiosity's sake, I wouldn't have said anything beyond the 3M recommendation. But since you mentioned a particular LG phone, my second suggestion was to just replace the protector which comes with adhesive and costs like 3 dollars U.S. shipped. You went out of your way to not only tell me I was wrong about the cost, but do it several times (condescending a bit?). So I did a quick check to see how far off my guess was.

I was indeed incorrect... they're more like $1.25 in a two pack shipped:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/2-Pack-Tempered-Glass-Screen-Protector-For-LG-Stylo-3-Stylo-3-Plus-Stylus-3/391861046307?hash=item5b3cbd0c23:g:ddQAAOSw66pZjLoU:rk:3:pf:0

You said you needed probably two, so at a buck and a quarter each, this solution is far cheaper than buying any kind of adhesive.

Yes, knowledge is great but when we're talking pennies, it just reaches the point of absurdity. If you're that hard up I'll paypal the $3.50 to you.

Fox's Mercantile
Guest

Mon Feb 04, 2019 2:45 pm   



On 2/4/19 7:00 AM, John-Del wrote:
Quote:
Yes, knowledge is great but when we're talking pennies,
it just reaches the point of absurdity.
If you're that hard up I'll paypal the $3.50 to you.


Arlen is the one that pots under a variety of names.
Usually cross posting to a variety of groups, on some
long rambling bullshit rant.
He doesn't want answers, he just wants to listen to himself
talk.


--
"I am a river to my people."
Jeff-1.0
WA6FWi
http:foxsmercantile.com

pfjw@aol.com
Guest

Mon Feb 04, 2019 2:45 pm   



I do not understand why the troll (holder) gets any traction at all, much less an entire thread dedicated to something as absurd as the adhesive (NOT glue) used to secure a protective sheet on phone glass. This is not the first wild hare it has sent this group a-chasing.

Just don't feed the troll. At all.

Peter Wieck
Melrose Park.

John-Del
Guest

Mon Feb 04, 2019 3:45 pm   



On Monday, February 4, 2019 at 8:22:01 AM UTC-5, pf...@aol.com wrote:
Quote:
I do not understand why the troll (holder) gets any traction at all, much less an entire thread dedicated to something as absurd as the adhesive (NOT glue) used to secure a protective sheet on phone glass. This is not the first wild hare it has sent this group a-chasing.

Just don't feed the troll. At all.

Peter Wieck
Melrose Park.


Sorry Peter, I did not recognize his name, nor do I know any of the socks he apparently posts under. I'll avoid him from now on.

arlen holder
Guest

Mon Feb 04, 2019 6:45 pm   



On Sun, 03 Feb 2019 14:54:48 -0800, Jeff Liebermann wrote:

Quote:
Thanks. Now I understand. The suggestions of using double sided tape
is closest to the solution.


Hi Jeff,
I agree.
It's a simple question - but not an easy one to answer.

I thank you for asking clarifying questions, as you forced me to prove my
words, where I realized I hadn't looked at the situation closely enough
until I snapped those photos for you.

From the photos, and from your astute queries, I realized:
1. It likely is a "tape" (and not "just" a glue), and,
2. It is all around the perimeter (which I hadn't noticed prior).

Quote:
Usually, there's a die cut pre-form in
the shape of the bezel on the phone supplied with the replacement
touch screen. It's basically double sided tape cut to the exact shape
needed to attach the digitizer. As mentioned, the backing tape is
quite thin. I couldn't find one for your LG phone.


I agree now that I've looked more closely that it's an ultra thin tape
(most likely), and not a glue, per se.

Quote:
So, that leaves the question of what manner of glue was used on the
die cut pre-form. My original guess was some manner of rubber cement.


It _does_ seem to be a "rubbery cementy" type gooey stickiness...

Quote:
The problem is that there are a fairly large number of different types
of rubber cement, ranging from very permanent contact cement, to the
thin temporary rubber cement sold in art supply stores for photo and
picture mounts. Kinda like the weird glue used on Post-It notes.


Since the goal was to find a local supply of a "typical" glue, I will try a
local art-supply store, which should have "removable" gooey rubbery cement
- thanks for that idea!

Quote:
I have some of the die cut pre-forms for an Apple 3G which I can use
to analyze the glue. However, I don't want to, don't have the time,
and would rather be doing something more interesting. Sorry.


Nope. Please don't go to that trouble, Jeff.

You've helped more than anyone else on this newsgroup can, simply because
you comprehend the problem set and potential solutions better than those
Snit-like folks who always prove to know even less than I do.

You're a good detective, Jeff, since you "see" the problems, in problems.
(All they saw was a credit-card solution - which was never the question.)

BTW, I had first searched the canonical archives for this question:
<http://tinyurl.com/sci-electronics-repair>

I also first searched the Internet - and only after both came up busted,
did I ask about the glue chemistry/physics here.

Quote:


That has an interesting keyword which I was unaware of:
"Rhinestone pasting adhesive"

> <https://www.ebay.com/itm/Mobile-Phone-Screen-Adhesive-Clear-Black-Liquid-Glue-B7000-T7000-E8000-T8000/232887790775>

That one is called "Mobile Phone Screen Adhesive", which I wish they had
more information in the description about other than it ships from China
(it's one reason I've never bought from Ebay in my life).

Quote:


That one seems almost perfect, in that it's a 2mm, 3mm, or 5mm "Double
Sided Adhesive Tape for Mobile Phone Touch Screen Repair 25M"

It takes about a month to arrive from China, but, at _that_ price, the huge
presumed risk of Ebay disappears, since $1.60 per roll is not risking much.

Given the dimensions, the 2mm tape can be trimmed to be used on the long
sides (~1.4mm), and the 5mm tape + 3mm tape can be used on the top
(~0.9cm), with two 5mm tapes on the bottom (~1.2cm).

The beauty, as with all repair solutions, is that the tape will definitely
come in handy for _other_ repairs around the home (as long as it stores
well).

Quote:
More:
https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_nkw=mobile+phone+screen+adhesive
It looks to be about 75% solvent, which I think is about right for a
low viscosity glue.


The first object is a "glue removal liquid" and the second is a "uv glue"
which is what would be needed if there were no edges - but this phone has
plenty of edges.

The rest appear to be glue removal goops, which is fine but I think simple
alcohol and/or acetone should work for removal of the existing goopy stuff.

> Again, think heavily diluted rubber cement and die cut pre-forms.

Hi Jeff,
Since you speak logically, it's impossible to disagree with you.
o If glue, it needs to be high solvent that evaporates leaving goop
o If tape, it needs to be ultra-thin, which is what I think they used

Quote:
I repeat that it's actually shocking, to me, how _well_ this plate works
given that only on the perimeter has _any_ glue!

That's because the various layers of the sandwich are VERY flat and
are held together by surface tension from water vapor in the boundary
area. It's something like what holds gauge blocks together, except
those usually have a layer of oil in addition to water vapor.


Smooth?
Hmmm.... interesting. Very interesting.

Certainly it works. Beautifully.

That it works is very interesting, since it's so simple (glass on glass).

I agree with you Jeff that it works _beautifully_, without having to put
any of that uv-cured glue on the actual screen - where it makes sense that
there is "something" in the physics/mechanics that makes the plate bond
beautifully to the glass.

Quote:
And yet, there are no bubbles.

Yep. The glass and plastic are not sufficiently elastic and will
therefore not stretch sufficiently to create bubbles.


o What is the property called where two objects stick together because they are both very smooth?
<https://www.quora.com/What-is-the-property-called-where-two-objects-stick-together-because-they-are-both-very-smooth>
"It is called wringability, named after the act of joining
("wringing") two gauge blocks together"

"Wringing requires two smooth, flat surfaces with surface finishes
of 1 microinch AA or better. For gage blocks, it becomes difficult
to wring surfaces if the flatness starts to exceed 5 microinches.
The sources of the forces holding gage blocks together are thought
to come from:
1. Air pressure from the surrounding environment as the air
is squeezed out when the blocks are slid together.
2. Surface tension from oil that remains on the gage blocks or
water vapor from the air acts as a glue to hold them together.
3. When two very flat surfaces are brought into such close contact
with each other, this allows an interchange of electrons between
the atoms of the separate blocks, which creates an attractive
molecular force. (This force will remain even in a vacuum or if
no oil or water is present on the blocks.)
The last two sources are thought to be the most significant."

Quote:
Here's where the problem arose when we swapped plates:
7. The plate in the center was removed easily from the left phone
8. But we dropped it on the floor when moving to the right phone
9. In subsequent cleanup, we destroyed the "stickiness" of the glue

Cleaning off the old glue, and replacing it with new glue will
probably be beyond our capabilities. You can try using a rubber
squeegee to apply a thin layer, but I suspect you'll need some kind of
fixture to get any manner of consistency.


The main goal will be achieved if I can find the proper temporary goopy
stuff at an art store later today or later this week.

I don't think cleaning will be difficult, simply because it must react to
solvents, and even if not, mechanical scraping seems "doable".

Quote:
It's also not worth the
effort as a new screen will do the job for less money and effort. Try
some solvent (not sure what type) on the existing mess and see if the
stickiness returns.


While a new screen will work, that was never the question simply because
the goal was to understand how it worked and then to figure out a glue that
does the job.

I think we've accomplished that goal, which is both a learning and
pragmatic experience. I will know more after I visit an art supply store.

Quote:
I've seen the videos that use a "liquid" glue which is _not_ used here.
This is a static sticky goopy glue (sort of what's on the back of tape).

When the carrier solvent evaporates, what's left is your sticky goopy
glue.


In this case, the liquid refractively-matched glues don't apply.

Quote:
If we could figure out what glue they use to put on the back of typical
tape (like Scotch tape), that would likely be the only glue we need.

It's called a PSA (pressure sensitive adhesive) and is probably an
acrylic (or acrylate):
https://www.can-dotape.com/adhesive-tape-consultant/adhesives-used-for-tape/

"Scotch Transparent Tape"
https://www.acs.org/content/acs/en/education/whatischemistry/landmarks/scotchtape.html
Rubber shortages during the war prompted 3M to switch to
synthetic acrylate adhesives. Although not as strong,
acrylate adhesives retained their clarity and actually
aged better than rubber-based adhesives, which turned
yellow and brittle over time. Later, acrylate adhesives
would be mated with an acetate backing to create "invisible"
Scotch® Magic™ Tape, the first tape that could be written
on with pencil, pen, or marker.

Basically, it's acrylic plastic dissolved in some type of solvent.


That's an interesting set of finds, which I agree with you on the analysis
of. I think the solution is simply to find that acrylic plastic in the arts
and crafts stores, which it would seem to exist most since they do more
temporary tacking than the box store stuff is designed for (I would think).

Quote:
1. There _is_ glue on the entire perimeter
(Where I had thought it was only on the top & bottom.)

Ok, if there is glue all over the screen, then it has to be very thin,
not very sticky, achromatic (so the colors don't change), and very
very very clear. That's not something you'll find at the local
hardware store.


Ooops. I meant only on the thin perimeter is there glue.
(Long sides is about 1.5mm, top & bottom around 1cm.)
The entire "active" portion of the screen is devoid of glue.

Quote:
I don't think the layers of the sandwich will slide over each other,
but they curl or slip from uneven temperatures.


The protective glass screen "is" itself a sandwich of at least glass on the
outside and plastic on the inside.

That protective screen is then placed on top of the phone glass, and that
is the perfect fit.

Quote:
The question becomes:
o Where does one get the sticky glue that is on typical tape?

First, you have to identify it. I usually start with a patent search.
Look for "pressure sensitive adhesive tape LCD".
https://patents.google.com/?q=pressure&q=sensitive&q=adhesive+tape+LCD

This one looks interesting:
https://patents.google.com/patent/US20040191509A1/en?q=pressure&q=sensitive&q=adhesive+tape+LCD
...examples of which include known or usual pressure-sensitive
adhesives such as acrylic pressure-sensitive adhesives,
silicone based pressure-sensitive adhesives, polyester
based pressure-sensitive adhesives, rubber based
pressure-sensitive adhesives, and polyurethane based
pressure-sensitive adhesives. The pressure-sensitive adhesive
can be used singly or in admixture of two or more thereof.
So, it can be acrylic, silicone, rubber, polyurethane, or a mixture of
the aforementioned. Not very helpful, but at least it's a start.


Thanks Jeff,
I think I can take it from here in that you've helped determine
o It's almost certainly an ultra-thin tape (originally a die-cut tape)
o A pressure-sensitive adhesive would also work
o The best source for the tape & adhesive is (apparently) overseas
o While a reasonable facsimile can likely be found in local art stores

I'll visit a few art stores today to see if I can find the glue or tape
locally (I have never bought from Ebay due to the risk but in this case at
the prices you found, the loss risk, even if real, is low).

The Real Bev
Guest

Mon Feb 04, 2019 7:45 pm   



On 02/03/2019 01:01 PM, arlen holder wrote:
Quote:
On Sun, 3 Feb 2019 11:31:47 -0800, The Real Bev wrote:

The _best_ I can find on Amazon, sorted by lowest price, is:
https://www.amazon.com/s/ref=sr_st_price-asc-rank?keywords=protective+screen+lg+stylo+3+plus&sort=price-asc-rank

The cheapest, is more than twice what you quoted, although I'm sure, in
bulk, we can find cheaper (but I only need one, or maybe two, for now).

I simply ask where & how you found the protectors for 3 bucks shipped?

https://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss_1?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=screen+protector+lg+stylo+3+plus&rh=i%3Aaps%2Ck%3Ascreen+protector+lg+stylo+3+plus

https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=m570.l1313&_nkw=screen+protector+lg+stylo+3+plus&_sacat=0

Hi The Real Bev,

*My main clarifying point is that this question is about "glue" (not glass).*

I'm not sure _how_ to respond to your post other than to thank you for, at
least, for trying (although I don't think you realize what you posted is
not only no better than what I posted, but also worse).


I understand that the intent is to solve a glue problem. OTOH,
sometimes a quick&dirty solution is ultimately needed. Somebody posted
an Amazon link which yielded different results from mine.

Sorry you don't like ebay. If you're not in a hurry it's an extremely
useful site for inexpensive stuff that costs a bundle in local stores --
especially since it's frequently the same stuff. Any problems we've had
(small number) were quickly solved, mostly by a simple refund with no
return required. One exception: a $99 phablet that wouldn't see SIMs.
Ultimately the CC company made the refund; the seller wanted the unit
returned ($60) which we and the CC company found to be unreasonable.

--
Cheers, Bev
The Marketing Professional's Motto: "We don't screw the customers. All
we're doing is holding them down while the salespeople screw them."
-- Scott Adams

pfjw@aol.com
Guest

Mon Feb 04, 2019 8:45 pm   



On Monday, February 4, 2019 at 12:55:06 PM UTC-5, The Real Bev wrote:

> I understand that the intent is to solve a glue problem.

If that were the intent, the troll would have spent the $1.99 and gotten the 10-pack and experimented for itself. Nor does the troll understand the essential difference between a controlled factory setting and its cave in terms of applying an adhesive under conditions where a single bit of dust could ruin the entire exercise.

I expect next that the troll will request how to recycle condoms - on the off-chance that it might get to use one in the first place.

Peter Wieck
Melrose Park, PA

The Real Bev
Guest

Mon Feb 04, 2019 8:45 pm   



On 02/04/2019 11:03 AM, pfjw_at_aol.com wrote:

> I expect next that the troll will request how to recycle condoms - on the off-chance that it might get to use one in the first place.

"Angus, the regiment has voted to replace it."

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Cheers, Bev
When your only tool is a hammer, everything looks like a thumb.

John-Del
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Mon Feb 04, 2019 8:45 pm   



On Monday, February 4, 2019 at 2:15:42 PM UTC-5, The Real Bev wrote:
Quote:
On 02/04/2019 11:03 AM, pfjw_at_aol.com wrote:

I expect next that the troll will request how to recycle condoms - on the off-chance that it might get to use one in the first place.

"Angus, the regiment has voted to replace it."

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LOL! My dad told me that one when I was a kid and he had a pretty good burr to deliver it with.

arlen holder
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Mon Feb 04, 2019 9:45 pm   



On Mon, 4 Feb 2019 09:55:01 -0800, The Real Bev wrote:

Quote:
I understand that the intent is to solve a glue problem. OTOH,
sometimes a quick&dirty solution is ultimately needed. Somebody posted
an Amazon link which yielded different results from mine.


Hi The Real Bev,

We go way back, so you know I don't suffer fools well, which is why I'm
only responding to you (and to Jeff) and not to the Snit-like know-nothing
trolls who both preceded you and follow (where they _never_ add a single
iota of value to _any_ thread).

They prove to be children in _every_ post, where I don't suffer fools well.

Jeff comprehended the question which was originally about 'glue'.
o It turns out to most likely be an ultra-thin tape (originally die cut)

Jeff also comprehended the solution, which is either "glue" or "tape"
o If glue, it needs to be a high solvent "rubbery" "acrylic" style glue
Where the solvent evaporates, leaving the sticky stuff behind.

As Jeff already noted, for both tape & glue, the type appears to be
"pressure sensitive", where the "wringability" of glass on glass is what
prevents bubbles from forming.

> Sorry you don't like ebay.

While I _barely_ even use Amazon, I feel Ebay is worlds less "safe"
(in so many ways that I won't even enumerate them here).

Suffice to say that most of those Ebay links I looked at that folks posted
were from Chinese operations, which means shipping takes something like a
month, and where a lot of the product was quoted in foreign currencies I
haven't even heard of (sure I can look them up, but the point is that an
Ebay link is not all that useful if the best we can find is something
halfway around the world quoted in currencies I've never even heard of
shipped by a company I can't possibly contact when things go wrong, etc.).

If the Ebay link connected to, say, a company in the USA that has a known
presence that can be contacted for customer support, that would be
different - but almost all the quoted Ebay links (if not all) were from an
unknown entity in China where you can't vouch for what you're going to get
like you can with, say, Home Depot or Ace or Lowe's (which, you'll note, is
clearly noted as being part of the original question asking for a
solution).

In short, Ebay is ridiculous since it's an answer that does even remotely
NOT fit the problem set (except to people who didn't understand the problem
set in the first place - which is my fault for not making it clear I was
seeking a local solution at any local box store).

Quote:
If you're not in a hurry it's an extremely
useful site for inexpensive stuff that costs a bundle in local stores --
especially since it's frequently the same stuff.


I don't doubt the veracity of what you're saying, but Ebay from China just
doesn't even remotely fit the problem set as stated in the very subject of
this post, and as stated in the opening post.

Ebay is fine as a "reference" for the lowest possible price (where, I'll
note, even the trolls couldn't back up their claimed prices, even _with_
Ebay links - which shows how much they just make up everything they say,
which is why I claim those trolls never add even a single iota of value to
_any_ thread).

As I recall, Snit _admitted_ being Fox's Mercantile, for example, but I'd
have to dig up that post from long ago, so, rather than bother, I'll just
state that _everything_ Fox's Mercantile posts literally _reeks_ of
Snit-like posts ... hence I'll just lump them _all_ into the Snit-like
category.

You, The Real Bev, on the other hand, as is Jeff, are almost always
"purposefully helpful". If you don't have an answer, you don't bother
posting, which is commendable.

(The Snit-like posters like Fox's Mercantile, who claim everyone _else_ is
a troll, don't even know simple math in that they infest threads where the
thread only needs 1 or 2 helpful responses, and yet, their Snit-like posts
outnumber the useful responses from 10 to 1 and even, at times, their
Snit-like posts outnumber useful posts at 100 to one -- all because they
claim _everyone_ else to be a troll simply for asking a valid question of a
valid newsgroup).

HINT: Fox's Mercantile _is_ Snit (he admitted it long ago); but even if he
now denies what he already admitted, the proof is that Fox's Mercantile
always adds _negative_ value to _every_ thread he infests (so Fox's
Mercantile is Snit-like even if Fox's Mercantile no longer claims to be
Snit himself).

Quote:
Any problems we've had
(small number) were quickly solved, mostly by a simple refund with no
return required. One exception: a $99 phablet that wouldn't see SIMs.
Ultimately the CC company made the refund; the seller wanted the unit
returned ($60) which we and the CC company found to be unreasonable.


I know of people close to me who _never_ received Ebay shipments, and then,
when they _tried_ to resolve the problem, they had to jump through hoops by
begging the Ebay Customer Support to prove contact information (which
always turned out to be email addresses only) and then they had to work
that through the emails, and only after that, through Ebay.

Nonetheless, even if Ebay has the best prices, nobody could even come close
to the prices they _claimed_ (at least by percentage, where they were, in
general, more than 100% off the mark) for something that is a reliable
source found locally or in Amazon.

I'm not complaining, by the way, as I know _you_ to be a respectable
poster, as you know me to be also. I'm just asking _them_ where they get
their outrageous claims, where one must point out again (and again)
o Comprehension of the question is key
o Where the question was always about glue and not about glass
o Where their condesencing remarks are to be expected from trolls
o And yet, they weren't even close (off by more than 100% most of the time)
o And yet, they claim I am the troll (when all I did was ask a valid question)

In short, this is how you know me to operate, The Real Bev:
1. I ask a valid question of a valid newsgroup
2. I answer all valid responses, adding value in each post (e.g., pictures)
3. I act on the suggestions that are appropriate (as suggested by Jeff)

In short, this is how the trolls operate, The Real Bev:
A. They post unrelated drivel (e.g., Fox's Mercantile who is really Snit)
B. They prove to miscomprehend the problem set (as pfjw_at_aol.com did)
C. They post completely bogus imaginary prices (as did John-Del)
etc.

The facts are pretty simple here:
a. I asked a question about the glue in a specific faceplate
b. That glue turned out to be an ultra-thin tape
c. Where the "local" solution appears to be an arts/crafts store

I'll let you know, perhaps later today, what I find at a local
arts-and-crafts store, since I generally close the loop so as to provide an
update to the overall tribal knowledge of the newsgroup.
http://tinyurl.com/sci-electronics-repait

BTW: The Real Bev, guess who _created_ that link so that we'd all benefit?

Fox's Mercantile
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Mon Feb 04, 2019 10:45 pm   



On 2/4/19 2:11 PM, arlen holder wrote:
Quote:
and not to the Snit-like know-nothing trolls who both
preceded you and follow (where they_never_add a single
iota of value to_any_thread).


And one again, you've added nothing except listening to
yourself pontificate.

And accusing me, and others of being snit, well, you've
just outed yourself as being just one of 20 or so different
names you use to get around getting filtered by everyone
else that has grown tired of your long pointless postings
smeared across seemingly random news groups.

And as usual, you bitch about eBay, amazon and everyone
else, that surprisingly, the rest of us, and millions of
others use daily without the slightest bit of problems.

In summary, you sir, are a carbuncle on the ass of humanity.



--
"I am a river to my people."
Jeff-1.0
WA6FWi
http:foxsmercantile.com

John-Del
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Mon Feb 04, 2019 10:45 pm   



On Monday, February 4, 2019 at 3:11:09 PM UTC-5, arlen holder wrote:

Quote:
C. They post completely bogus imaginary prices (as did John-Del)
etc.


Sorry Peter, but I must (being called out by name).

So I'm now faking ebay auctions for your benefit? Even if I did possess these hacking skills, why would I waste them on a troll?

Well, here's another I whipped up. This "fake" ebay auction has 5 (five) LG Stylo 3 protectors for the low, low price of one dollar and ninety nine cents!!! ($1.99) including shipping. This comes out to 0.40 cents each. Unfortunately, you don't get a Super Shammy included with this offer:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/For-LG-Stylo-3-LG-Stylo-3-Plus-5-Pack-Screen-Protector-Film-Clear/401324564490?hash=item5d70cee00a:g:3N0AAOSwhH1cSq3M:rk:7:pf:0

For your benefit and shipping expediency, I also based my fake ebay seller in the continental USA (not China), and gave him a feedback total of over 2 million sales! Security over $1.99? Sure! Just complain to paypal and they will refund your money so you can spend the two bucks on new condoms.

John-Del
Guest

Mon Feb 04, 2019 10:45 pm   



On Monday, February 4, 2019 at 4:07:15 PM UTC-5, Fox's Mercantile wrote:
Quote:
On 2/4/19 1:15 PM, The Real Bev wrote:
On 02/04/2019 11:03 AM, pfjw_at_aol.com wrote:

I expect next that the troll will request how to recycle condoms - on
the off-chance that it might get to use one in the first place.

"Angus, the regiment has voted to replace it."


Somebody Schpoke?

Extra points if you know which character actor I'm quoting.

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Ooh! Ooh! One particular Soviet sub commander?

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