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Phil Allison
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Wed Dec 14, 2016 4:37 am   



nor...@googlegroups.com wrote:


** Fuck this damn psycho off the NG now !!

--------------------------------------


** He is the same poster as the fuckwit boB troll and a few others.

A lunatic, ham radio moron with a bad smell.

Fuck him off - never to come back.

More to come if he stays.


Guest

Wed Dec 14, 2016 4:39 am   



On Tue, 13 Dec 2016 13:12:20 -0800, TollBob PinkNoise wrote:


Oh, nevermind.

Phil Allison
Guest

Wed Dec 14, 2016 5:19 am   



bob wrote:


Quote:

** He is the same poster as the fuckwit boB troll and a few others.

A lunatic, ham radio moron with a bad smell.

Fuck him off - never to come back.

More to come if he stays.



Phil, I hope you are nicer to animals than psychos like me !


** You were stupid enough to post your ham call sign.

So I have many of you personal details, included some photos.

Go away and I will not post them.


..... Phil

krw
Guest

Wed Dec 14, 2016 8:11 am   



On Tue, 13 Dec 2016 11:54:49 -0800, SpngeboB Sinewave wrote:

Quote:
On Tue, 13 Dec 2016 02:49:54 -0800 (PST), jurb6006_at_gmail.com wrote:

"I love you so much Phil ! You are such a sweet sweet man !

Here's a BIG wet sloppy kiss right on your rosy red lips ! "

Oh, we've had much worse. I suspect someone killed them.


You cannot really say :

You are correct. Pretty much in audio anyway. I suppose there is
something to be said for peak power if the power supply can handle it
for a few cycles but bass is where the power is needed unless its a
small amplifier feeding the high frequency side of a biamped system.
So the amplifier better be able to put out high power for quite a
while in the bass case.


Look at "normal" audio on a scope, sometime. You'll see that its
crest factor is *huge*, bass or no bass.

<the rest is broken up too badly to even attempt to read>


Guest

Wed Dec 14, 2016 8:18 am   



On Tue, 13 Dec 2016 16:21:44 -0800 (PST), Phil Allison
<pallison49_at_gmail.com> wrote:

Quote:
nor...@googlegroups.com wrote:




** You're the same poster as the fuckwit boB troll - aren't you ?

A lunatic, ham radio moron with a bad smell.

Fuck off -


Oh Philbert, you are such a tease...

> never come back.

Sorry, Not that easy






Quote:










krw
Guest

Wed Dec 14, 2016 8:30 am   



On Tue, 13 Dec 2016 19:14:32 -0800, bob wrote:

Quote:
On Tue, 13 Dec 2016 18:37:49 -0800 (PST), Phil Allison
pallison49_at_gmail.com> wrote:

nor...@googlegroups.com wrote:


** Fuck this damn psycho off the NG now !!

--------------------------------------


** He is the same poster as the fuckwit boB troll and a few others.

A lunatic, ham radio moron with a bad smell.

Fuck him off - never to come back.

More to come if he stays.





Phil, I hope you are nicer to animals than psychos like me !


I hope he's nicer to animals, too. You seem to enjoy poking them.

Quote:
OK, your turn...



Guest

Wed Dec 14, 2016 8:30 am   



On Tue, 13 Dec 2016 18:37:49 -0800 (PST), Phil Allison
<pallison49_at_gmail.com> wrote:

Quote:
nor...@googlegroups.com wrote:


** Fuck this damn psycho off the NG now !!

--------------------------------------


** He is the same poster as the fuckwit boB troll and a few others.

A lunatic, ham radio moron with a bad smell.

Fuck him off - never to come back.

More to come if he stays.





Phil, I hope you are nicer to animals than psychos like me !

OK, your turn...


Guest

Wed Dec 14, 2016 8:30 am   



On Tue, 13 Dec 2016 19:19:15 -0800 (PST), Phil Allison
<pallison49_at_gmail.com> wrote:

Quote:
bob wrote:



** He is the same poster as the fuckwit boB troll and a few others.

A lunatic, ham radio moron with a bad smell.

Fuck him off - never to come back.

More to come if he stays.



Phil, I hope you are nicer to animals than psychos like me !


** You were stupid enough to post your ham call sign.


I'm proud to be in more than one field. Variety is the spice of life.

Quote:

So I have many of you personal details, included some photos.

Go away and I will not post them.


Oh NO !!!! Not that ! That picture of me of a ham when I was like,
13 years old in the 1960s as WN7IWN ?

Yeah, that was a great time.


OK. I'll be nice if you will. Might not go away exactly but I
might just tend to ignore you if it makes you happy and joyous.


PS, those who are still interested in LARGE tube amplifiers with
transformers, around 25:30 is a big one or two at 500,000 watt
(rms or average, I don't care), radio station WLW's modulator.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CbHjcwIoTiY


Your turn, Phil.

boB

Quote:

.... Phil



Guest

Wed Dec 14, 2016 8:30 am   



On Tue, 13 Dec 2016 22:19:34 -0500, krw <krw_at_somewhere.com> wrote:

Quote:
On Tue, 13 Dec 2016 19:14:32 -0800, bob wrote:

On Tue, 13 Dec 2016 18:37:49 -0800 (PST), Phil Allison
pallison49_at_gmail.com> wrote:

nor...@googlegroups.com wrote:


** Fuck this damn psycho off the NG now !!

--------------------------------------


** He is the same poster as the fuckwit boB troll and a few others.

A lunatic, ham radio moron with a bad smell.

Fuck him off - never to come back.

More to come if he stays.





Phil, I hope you are nicer to animals than psychos like me !


I hope he's nicer to animals, too. You seem to enjoy poking them.


Well, at least he spoke up for that poor kangaroo the other day which
I thought was nice.


Quote:
OK, your turn...



Guest

Wed Dec 14, 2016 8:30 am   



On Tue, 13 Dec 2016 17:30:57 -0800 (PST), Phil Allison
<pallison49_at_gmail.com> wrote:

Quote:
nor...@googlegroups.com wrote:


** Fuck this psycho off the NG now !!



Oh Philbert, you are such a tease...



** You're the same poster as the fuckwit boB troll - aren't you ?

A lunatic, ham radio moron with a bad smell.

Fuck off - never come back.

More to come if you stay.


Phil, I am so sorry you are so depressed.

You really should see a psychiatrist. It might not be too late.
Your hatred for humans, and not just to me is starting to show just a
little bit

Have a nice day :)

Quote:



..... Phil



Guest

Wed Dec 14, 2016 9:30 am   



>"** It tells professional users of such large amplifiers what AC draw to expect in normal, full power operation - you fucking tenth wit. "

When I want a power rating of an amp I want the real power rating of an amp.. If you can have a company and design and build a ten thousand watt amp you can get a load for it. If you can't do that I do not want your product.

And when you talk big power you generally mean sine, or close waves to the woofer. Fuck pink noise. I want a sine wave measured into the rated load and calculated by the misnamed RMS method. Sorry. Are you telling me that companies can build really big amps but can't afford a load to test them ? If so, who the fuck would want their product ?

What, when they change the value of a volt or an ampere are you going to go with the flow ? How about they change the kilometer and they catch you speeding because of it.

Standard are standards. SINE WAVE, CUT TO RMS, SQUARED, DIVIDED BY LOAD IMPEDANCE. Is that too much to ask ?

This shit all fucks us. A fucking five pound can of coffee in this country barely weighs over three pounds. A quart of beer is now a liter. There is alot more. If you want to go with it go ahead but I do not. Maybe it is not that way where you live, but it is here. They are always trying to get over on us for more profits, to make the quarterly report look better. And it has been that way since Dodge v Ford.

That case law means more profit at all costs is mandatory for any publicly traded company. That is how it is here. Maybe not there, but it is here. those jew ass motherfuckers who sued Ford for making cars too good and paying employees too much should have been shot by snipers on the way up the court steps. But the fact is that if that happened someone else would have made a similar suit, maybe a different company or whatever, but the same standard would have been established. That is one of the costs of capitalism and one of the major reasons jobs leave this country for China and Korea and whatever. If the board of directors doesn't once the bean counters have spoken they can be accused of conflict of interest and in some (rare) cases thrown in jail. And that is part of the reason there are no jobs here. This is alot closer to me than it is to you.

But we went from a time when the good companies like Marantz, Pioneer, whatever, used to build a quality product and over the years they turned to shit. They won't even sell a ten band EQ for fear that you will crank up the 31 Hz control and stress their little transistors the likes of which used to be used in 20 WPC amps instead of 100 WPC amps.

Anyway, if your knowledge is so superior to mine, perhaps you might take the time to tell me how this new measurement technique is done and how it is somehow "better" than the old way. Surely one as wise as you can do it.


Guest

Wed Dec 14, 2016 10:00 am   



Quote:
"Look at "normal" audio on a scope, sometime. You'll see that its
crest factor is *huge*, bass or no bass. "


I have looked at ALOT of audio on the scope. I know how it looks at different sweep speeds, and I also know how a 1 KHz square wave looks when you put with through an equalizer.

I can tell some of the instruments used, if solo, on a scope without hearing them.

I know what you're talking about but still, this unreal "RAMS power" has to be measured in a standardized way. If not it means nothing. Got a new kilometer, got a new volt, and a whole new trig table. New femtometers and parsecs whie were at it. And a new counting method. (the Hillary lovers are playing this one up but SHE for some reason has not called for a recall, probably because of skeletons in the closet, and I have no love for Trump, he is just less worse)

Al statistics seem to change, this is WRONG. Math was the last vestige of real logic, even though it got fucked up sometimes by people giving the wrong weight to various variables. But now most people don't understand enough to be qualified to question these things. S the liberals won through the school system and millenial think they got a free living coming in a country where there are no jobs that make money that the government can steal for them. They killed the goose that laid the golden eggs.

Wanna argue that ? You wanna bring a new 200 WPC amp over here and have a fight with my "Flame Linear" ? Bring it.

Yes, I am pissed off at how they lie. I am pissed opff at how they lie about politics as well but I just don't feel like going into it right now. Suffice it to say the cold war was a ruse designed to get people to support the biggest military buildup in history. Russia was never going to attack us and we were never going to attack them, but they whipped people up into a damnear frenzy to support the military contractors. And don't call them defense contractors, this government does not defend this country. Ever. Every foreign attack on this country has succeeded.

I an sick sick sick of the bullshit, and I don't care what is in Hillary's emails, I want to know how the fuck the Russians could get into it, if they did. If they did that means we have alot more problems than that. If the Russians can do it so can alot of other people, and I mean people who REALLY don't like us. With Trump we are probably looking at a fairly stable relationship with Russia. But there are other countries and they have hackers as well. there are all the BRICS countries, and the ones in the non-aligned which has like over 100 countries in it, none of them have computer schools ?

And a really high percentage of what the US claims as GDP is what the banks are getting, paper money. Other countries are building things that people actually buy.

You might as well just look at the fuse rating on the back f an amp, multiply that by 120 and divide in half to get the total output. Ir it is stereo, half per channel. You just can't trust anything anymore. Certainly not "them".

krw
Guest

Thu Dec 15, 2016 8:27 am   



On Wed, 14 Dec 2016 00:00:49 -0800 (PST), jurb6006_at_gmail.com wrote:

Quote:
"Look at "normal" audio on a scope, sometime. You'll see that its
crest factor is *huge*, bass or no bass. "

I have looked at ALOT of audio on the scope. I know how it looks at different sweep speeds, and I also know how a 1 KHz square wave looks when you put with through an equalizer.


Then I can only surmise that you didn't understand what you were
seeing.

>I can tell some of the instruments used, if solo, on a scope without hearing them.

But still have no idea what you're seeing.

>I know what you're talking about but still, this unreal "RAMS power" has to be measured in a standardized way. If not it means nothing. Got a new kilometer, got a new volt, and a whole new trig table. New femtometers and parsecs whie were at it. And a new counting method. (the Hillary lovers are playing this one up but SHE for some reason has not called for a recall, probably because of skeletons in the closet, and I have no love for Trump, he is just less worse)

It is.

>Al statistics seem to change, this is WRONG. Math was the last vestige of real logic, even though it got fucked up sometimes by people giving the wrong weight to various variables. But now most people don't understand enough to be qualified to question these things. S the liberals won through the school system and millenial think they got a free living coming in a country where there are no jobs that make money that the government can steal for them. They killed the goose that laid the golden eggs.

Irrelevant gibberish.
Quote:

Wanna argue that ? You wanna bring a new 200 WPC amp over here and have a fight with my "Flame Linear" ? Bring it.


Irrelevant.
Quote:

Yes, I am pissed off at how they lie. I am pissed opff at how they lie about politics as well but I just don't feel like going into it right now. Suffice it to say the cold war was a ruse designed to get people to support the biggest military buildup in history. Russia was never going to attack us and we were never going to attack them, but they whipped people up into a damnear frenzy to support the military contractors. And don't call them defense contractors, this government does not defend this country. Ever. Every foreign attack on this country has succeeded.


They aren't. You just have no idea what you're talking about.

>I an sick sick sick of the bullshit, and I don't care what is in Hillary's emails, I want to know how the fuck the Russians could get into it, if they did. If they did that means we have alot more problems than that. If the Russians can do it so can alot of other people, and I mean people who REALLY don't like us. With Trump we are probably looking at a fairly stable relationship with Russia. But there are other countries and they have hackers as well. there are all the BRICS countries, and the ones in the non-aligned which has like over 100 countries in it, none of them have computer schools ?

More irrelevance.

>And a really high percentage of what the US claims as GDP is what the banks are getting, paper money. Other countries are building things that people actually buy.

And another steaming pile of it.

>You might as well just look at the fuse rating on the back f an amp, multiply that by 120 and divide in half to get the total output. Ir it is stereo, half per channel. You just can't trust anything anymore. Certainly not "them".

You might. But like everything else you've posted, it wouldn't make
any sense.

John Fields
Guest

Mon Jan 09, 2017 7:44 am   



On Thu, 08 Dec 2016 09:19:23 -0600, boomer#6877250_at_none.com wrote:

Quote:
What is the most powerful audio output tube, as far as RMS wattage
output?

I have gotten some powerful sound from four 6L6 tubes in push-pull
parallel. but I want more. I know it's possible to use eight 6L6 tubes,
which I believe is called " push-pull parallel - parallel", but I'm
looking into other possible tubes.

At one time, I thought the 807 tube was more powerful than the 6L6, but
after careful research, it's almost identical, but with a different
envelope (plate on the top cap).

I'm looking to get a full 500W RMS (or more) output (per channel), from
all tubes, .... With four 6L6 tubes in PPP, I can only get around 120W
RMS (per channel).\


I have a couple of used - but gently treated - EIMAC 4CX3000A tetrodes
that I'd be willing to part with. If you're interested, email me with
a bid.

John Fields
Guest

Mon Jan 09, 2017 8:18 am   



On Thu, 08 Dec 2016 08:59:20 -0800, John Larkin
<jjlarkin_at_highlandtechnology.com> wrote:

Quote:
On Thu, 8 Dec 2016 10:39:35 -0500, bitrex
bitrex_at_de.lete.earthlink.net> wrote:

On 12/08/2016 10:19 AM, boomer#6877250_at_none.com wrote:
What is the most powerful audio output tube, as far as RMS wattage
output?

I have gotten some powerful sound from four 6L6 tubes in push-pull
parallel. but I want more. I know it's possible to use eight 6L6 tubes,
which I believe is called " push-pull parallel - parallel", but I'm
looking into other possible tubes.

At one time, I thought the 807 tube was more powerful than the 6L6, but
after careful research, it's almost identical, but with a different
envelope (plate on the top cap).

I'm looking to get a full 500W RMS (or more) output (per channel), from
all tubes, .... With four 6L6 tubes in PPP, I can only get around 120W
RMS (per channel).


The output tranny required for 500 watts RMS is going to be a huge piece
of fuck-off iron that will probably set you back the better part of a
grand, at least.

500 watts RMS from four tubes will require you to step up way beyond
6L6es and 807s, I think. You're probably going to want to look at
something like RF power triodes or tetrodes, 813s or the GU-13 if you're
okay with going ex-Soviet.

I am not a pro tube guy though so that's just my guess.

The transformer is the problem, especially if you go with a giant
transmitting tube that runs at high plate voltages.


---
Which transformer?
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Quote:
There have been transformerless audio power amps, using that beast
low-mu triode tube, the one Tek used in their B+ regulators.


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Which low-mu triode is that?
---

>Why not use mosfets? Toobs are silly.

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But forgiving, and they generally won't give up the ghost until the
cathode's coating is depleted or the envelope melts and the vacuum
sucks it in

JF

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