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Adrian Tuddenham
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Wed Sep 01, 2010 7:25 am   



Q: Why is top-posting bad?

Quote:
Martin H. Eastburn <lionslair_at_consolidated.net> wrote:

The other issue is printing a single page to get an answer
rather than 10 pages of junk to get the page you really want.

Martin

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On 8/31/2010 3:01 AM, Adrian Tuddenham wrote:
Martin H. Eastburn<lionslair_at_consolidated.net> wrote:

We top posters save paging down pages of your junk in order to see
a word 'YES' or 'No'.

Trim the quotes.



A: Because it is counter-intuitive and difficult to read.


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WallyWallWhackr
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Wed Sep 01, 2010 9:50 am   



On Aug 31, 8:19 am, John Fields <jfie...@austininstruments.com> wrote:
Quote:
On Mon, 30 Aug 2010 13:12:11 -0700 (PDT), "lektric....@gmail.com"

lektric....@gmail.com> wrote:
To hijack this topic and kill it in my own special way...

This is one thing in electronics that has always annoyed and confused
me: what is a "jack"?  I've even heard the terms "male jack" and
"female jack" (wouldn't that be a "jill"?).  Isn't there a better,
more descriptive, less confusing set of terms to describe these
connectors?  Would "plug" (male) and "socket" (female) be any better?
Not that this will keep me up nights...

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A "plug" is a connector, male or female, meant to be movable and
attached to a cable, and a "jack" is a connector receptacle meant to
be connected to a fixed location like a bulkhead or a chassis.

---
JF

It comes from the phone industry. The RJ in an RJ-45
interconnection designates "Registered Jack".

John Fields
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Wed Sep 01, 2010 11:09 am   



On Tue, 31 Aug 2010 13:38:51 -0700 (PDT), WallyWallWhackr
<gonna_get_you_boy_at_cox.net> wrote:

Quote:
On Aug 31, 8:18 am, John Fields <jfie...@austininstruments.com> wrote:
On Tue, 31 Aug 2010 09:31:07 -0500, "Lloyd E. Sponenburgh"

lloydspinsidemindspring.com> wrote:
John Fields <jfie...@austininstruments.com> fired this volley in
news:5oup76dgfv71ktetn12g7v8idakgsvvfc3_at_4ax.com:

A less esoteric example I gave in another post was that of the female
connector on the end of the cable which connects the AC mains to a PC.
A plug, yes?

Not the pins themselves, but the sex of the apparatus, et al.

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Yes, of course.

I thought I made that clear.
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The AC cord you mention is a plug,

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The cord isn't, the connector is.

Matter of fact, both connectors are plugs, regardless of sex.
---

because it is the male component of the
connection pair, even though it has female connections in it.  It inserts
into a receptacle -- a receptacle we would never call either a "jack" or
a "plug", for reasons below.

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I disagree.

I suspect that if you look at the schematic diagram, the receptacle
will be designated "JXXX" where the J refers to "jack" and XXX is an
identifying reference.

IME, that's almost universally true in that a connector pair is almost
always designated "JXXX" and "PXXX", for "jack" and "plug"
respectively, although the X's don't always match up.
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The terms "Jacks" and "Plugs" don't apply to general interconnection
devices, anyway.  

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I disagree. Check out "J" and "P" at:

news:036q761v5kc0uri23ctmhir90qmhja7lsj_at_4ax.com

They traditionally apply to audio connectors.  Iggy was
asking about a connector nominally designed for audio connections
(although not used for that purpose on his tool).  

The terms come from early telephony application slang, one application of
which was to connect a cord to a panel, but another which was to bridge
connections IN the panel by inserting a shorting plug (sans flying wire)
into a hole.  They "plugged" the hole to complete the connection.  Thus,
anything on a switchboard going into a hole was a "plug".

I never heard, read, nor figured out why the hole was called a "jack".

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Me neither.

---
JF

I found this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ASME_Y14.44-2008

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Good find.
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Quote:
Also, look at #3 in this as to the base etymology:

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/jack

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Yes! Excellent! Smile
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Quote:
It then goes on to refer to connectors a bit further down.

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I think: "A receptacle fitting"... would have been preferable, but
still...

Thanks,


---
JF

John Fields
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Wed Sep 01, 2010 1:59 pm   



On Wed, 1 Sep 2010 07:25:17 +0100, adrian_at_poppyrecords.invalid.invalid
(Adrian Tuddenham) wrote:

Quote:
Q: Why is top-posting bad?

Martin H. Eastburn <lionslair_at_consolidated.net> wrote:

The other issue is printing a single page to get an answer
rather than 10 pages of junk to get the page you really want.

Martin

Martin H. Eastburn
@ home at Lions' Lair with our computer lionslair at consolidated dot net
"Our Republic and the Press will Rise or Fall Together": Joseph Pulitzer
TSRA: Endowed; NRA LOH & Patron Member, Golden Eagle, Patriot's Medal.
NRA Second Amendment Task Force Originator & Charter Founder
IHMSA and NRA Metallic Silhouette maker & member. http://lufkinced.com/

On 8/31/2010 3:01 AM, Adrian Tuddenham wrote:
Martin H. Eastburn<lionslair_at_consolidated.net> wrote:

We top posters save paging down pages of your junk in order to see
a word 'YES' or 'No'.

Trim the quotes.



A: Because it is counter-intuitive and difficult to read.

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You've hit the nail on the head, but that's not top posting.

Top posting would be:

A: Because it is counter-intuitive and difficult to read.

Q: Why is top-posting bad?

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JF

John Fields
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Wed Sep 01, 2010 2:11 pm   



On Mon, 30 Aug 2010 22:02:16 -0500, "Martin H. Eastburn"
<lionslair_at_consolidated.net> wrote:

Quote:
We top posters save paging down pages of your junk in order to see
a word 'YES' or 'No'.

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You top posters generally seem to be an inconsiderate lot who consider
USENET to be their own personal email.

Even Google Groups, that bastion of the ill-informed, has this to say
about top-posting:

From:

http://groups.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?answer=12348&topic=250

"Summarize what you're following up.

When you click "Reply" under "show options" to follow up an existing
article, Google Groups includes the full article in quotes, with the
cursor at the top of the article. Tempting though it is to just start
typing your message, please STOP and do two things first.
Look at the quoted text and remove parts that are irrelevant.
Then, go to the BOTTOM of the article and start typing there.
Doing this makes it much easier for your readers to get through your
post. They'll have a reminder of the relevant text before your
comment, but won't have to re-read the entire article.
And if your reply appears on a site before the original article does,
they'll get the gist of what you're talking about."

---
JF

John Fields
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Wed Sep 01, 2010 2:37 pm   



On Tue, 31 Aug 2010 21:32:27 -0500, "Martin H. Eastburn"
<lionslair_at_consolidated.net> wrote:

Quote:
On 8/31/2010 5:14 AM, John Fields wrote:

On Mon, 30 Aug 2010 21:59:15 -0500, "Martin H. Eastburn"
lionslair_at_consolidated.net> wrote:

Good info.

I have an AT NIC card and driver for Dos - CNC machines

I have a modern PCI bus NIC card - motherboard has one - don't need NIC.

In fact the tower was RF connected and the NIC was never used.

Trade or sale.

Martin

Martin H. Eastburn
@ home at Lions' Lair with our computer lionslair at consolidated dot net
"Our Republic and the Press will Rise or Fall Together": Joseph Pulitzer
TSRA: Endowed; NRA LOH& Patron Member, Golden Eagle, Patriot's Medal.
NRA Second Amendment Task Force Originator& Charter Founder
IHMSA and NRA Metallic Silhouette maker& member. http://lufkinced.com/

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You forgot to include: "USENET SPAMmer" Wink


Quote:
And you are the spammer.

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How so?
---

Quote:
I have friends here that are rebuilding old CAD/CAM machines and DOS
machines from time to time.
Martin

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Where is "here"?

---
JF

Tim Williams
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Wed Sep 01, 2010 6:54 pm   



"John Fields" <jfields_at_austininstruments.com> wrote in message
news:40ks76tjtv6nsl2mdsqsrqejefr7tlo8p4_at_4ax.com...
Quote:
You top posters generally seem to be an inconsiderate lot who consider
USENET to be their own personal email.

Strange, I've met an awful lot more inconsiderate bottom posters.

It's a very irrational sort of thing, like religion and politics. And
like religion and politics, it's full of bigots and assholes, such as
yourself.

Quote:
Even Google Groups, that bastion of the ill-informed, has this to say
about top-posting:

From:

http://groups.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?answer=12348&topic=250

"Summarize what you're following up.

When you click "Reply" under "show options" to follow up an existing
article, Google Groups includes the full article in quotes, with the
cursor at the top of the article. Tempting though it is to just start
typing your message, please STOP and do two things first.
Look at the quoted text and remove parts that are irrelevant.

Funny, *proper* quoting is mentioned before bottom posting is. What does
that tell you about ettiquette?

How often do you see a bottom poster trim quotes, anyway? I'll give you a
hint: every time you see a 10k message, it's from some retarded bottom
poster. There are many on this newsgroup that do it habitually. In fact,
you even do it more often than not.

You're just as much a jerk as I am. Difference is, you don't even realize
it. And that means I'm better.

Tim

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Deep Friar: a very philosophical monk.
Website: http://webpages.charter.net/dawill/tmoranwms

John Fields
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Wed Sep 01, 2010 10:35 pm   



On Wed, 1 Sep 2010 12:54:57 -0500, "Tim Williams"
<tmoranwms_at_charter.net> wrote:

Quote:
"John Fields" <jfields_at_austininstruments.com> wrote in message
news:40ks76tjtv6nsl2mdsqsrqejefr7tlo8p4_at_4ax.com...
You top posters generally seem to be an inconsiderate lot who consider
USENET to be their own personal email.

Strange, I've met an awful lot more inconsiderate bottom posters.

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Well, since there are so many more bottom posters than there are top
posters it's not surprising that you would.

In order to get a more objective view of it, you should consider the
ratio.

That is, if 50 out of 100 top-posters are inconsiderate, and 100 out
of a thousand bottom-posters are also inconsiderate, then you might
think that because you read 100 inconsiderate bottom-posted articles,
while only reading 50 inconsiderate top-posted articles, that
bottom-posters are inherently more inconsiderate than top-posters.

My view is that if 90% or more of a newsgroup bottom-posts and a
johnny-come-lately top-poster is asked to bottom-post, then, when in
Rome...
---

Quote:
It's a very irrational sort of thing, like religion and politics.

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No, it's not, although I understand your desire to want it to seem to
be like that since, if it was, you could try to ride roughshod over
your critics with relative impunity by invoking some kind of banal
writ.

The fact of the matter is that it's based on that we're used to
reading chronologically, from left to right and from top to bottom.

Top posting, reductio ad absurdum, would present the last page of the
novel first and force the poor reader to swim through a sea of
confusion instead of gently guiding him along by presenting the thing
that happened first, first, and the thing that happened last, last.

Speaking of religion, your stance seems to me to favor Genesis being
the last book in the Bible, in spite of its starting off with: "In the
beginning...
---


Quote:
And like religion and politics, it's full of bigots and assholes, such as
yourself.

---
I'm confused here...

What does "it's" refer to?
---

Quote:
Even Google Groups, that bastion of the ill-informed, has this to say
about top-posting:

From:

http://groups.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?answer=12348&topic=250

"Summarize what you're following up.

When you click "Reply" under "show options" to follow up an existing
article, Google Groups includes the full article in quotes, with the
cursor at the top of the article. Tempting though it is to just start
typing your message, please STOP and do two things first.
Look at the quoted text and remove parts that are irrelevant.

Funny, *proper* quoting is mentioned before bottom posting is. What does
that tell you about ettiquette?

---
Since you seem to want to get technical, It's "etiquette".

In answer to your question, since trimming is almost parenthetical, it
easily takes a second seat to the admonition against top posting.
---

Quote:
How often do you see a bottom poster trim quotes, anyway? I'll give you a
hint: every time you see a 10k message, it's from some retarded bottom
poster.

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Every time _I_ see one?

How could you possibly know that they're retarded instead of just
lazy?

Just as an aside, how would you suggest trimming top posts?
---

Quote:
There are many on this newsgroup that do it habitually.
In fact, you even do it more often than not.

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Which of the two newsgroups you've crossposted to are you talking
about?
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Quote:
You're just as much a jerk as I am.

---
Perhaps.

Define "jerk"
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Quote:
Difference is, you don't even realize
it. And that means I'm better.

---
Than what?

---
JF

Bill Palmer
Guest

Thu Sep 02, 2010 10:28 am   



On Mon, 30 Aug 2010 22:02:16 -0500 "Martin H. Eastburn"
<lionslair_at_consolidated.net> wrote in Message id:
<Yg_eo.72118$MG3.12016_at_en-nntp-16.dc1.easynews.com>:

Quote:
We top posters save paging down pages of your junk in order to see
a word 'YES' or 'No'.

The convention on Usenet is to place your response *underneath* the
passage you're replying to -- much like the way your mother can often be
found underneath the UPS man.

DoN. Nichols
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Fri Sep 03, 2010 11:43 pm   



On 2010-09-02, Bill Palmer <Biiil_at_none.not> wrote:
Quote:
On Mon, 30 Aug 2010 22:02:16 -0500 "Martin H. Eastburn"
lionslair_at_consolidated.net> wrote in Message id:
Yg_eo.72118$MG3.12016_at_en-nntp-16.dc1.easynews.com>:

We top posters save paging down pages of your junk in order to see
a word 'YES' or 'No'.

The convention on Usenet is to place your response *underneath* the
passage you're replying to -- much like the way your mother can often be
found underneath the UPS man.

And the majority of the "pages of junk" *should* have been
edited out -- leaving *only* what paragraph or sentence you are replying
to -- and perhaps a bit more for context.

If you have to go down to below what you are quoting to reply
to, you presumably will notice how much junk there is which needs
deleting.

This encouragement to edit is one of the benefits of bottom
posting when done right.

Just blindly moving to the bottom of screen after screen of
previously quoted text and adding your small addition to the text is
*not* proper bottom posting.

Enjoy,
DoN.

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JosephKK
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Sat Sep 04, 2010 6:31 pm   



On Wed, 01 Sep 2010 16:35:17 -0500, John Fields
<jfields_at_austininstruments.com> wrote:

Quote:

And like religion and politics, it's full of bigots and assholes, such as
yourself.

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I'm confused here...

What does "it's" refer to?
---

Gosh John, are you saying you have never had a contraction before?

John Fields
Guest

Sat Sep 04, 2010 6:37 pm   



On Sat, 04 Sep 2010 10:31:03 -0700,
"JosephKK"<quiettechblue_at_yahoo.com> wrote:

Quote:
On Wed, 01 Sep 2010 16:35:17 -0500, John Fields
jfields_at_austininstruments.com> wrote:


And like religion and politics, it's full of bigots and assholes, such as
yourself.

---
I'm confused here...

What does "it's" refer to?
---

Gosh John, are you saying you have never had a contraction before?

---
Yup; I never gave birth to my children. ;)

---
JF

Nunya
Guest

Sat Sep 04, 2010 8:40 pm   



On Sep 4, 10:31 am, "JosephKK"<quiettechb...@yahoo.com> wrote:
Quote:
On Wed, 01 Sep 2010 16:35:17 -0500, John Fields

jfie...@austininstruments.com> wrote:

And like religion and politics, it's full of bigots and assholes, such as
yourself.

---
I'm confused here...

What does "it's" refer to?
---

Gosh John, are you saying you have never had a contraction before?

You seem to enjoy giving birth to turds from your colon into this
group.

We do not need you, pregnant shithead. Come back when you have
truly
matured to a mental age that resembles that of an adult.

NOT a "modern day" definition either, boy.

Match that say of Alexander The Great.

You'll never make it.

JosephKK
Guest

Sun Sep 05, 2010 7:23 am   



On Sat, 04 Sep 2010 12:37:00 -0500, John Fields
<jfields_at_austininstruments.com> wrote:

Quote:
On Sat, 04 Sep 2010 10:31:03 -0700,
"JosephKK"<quiettechblue_at_yahoo.com> wrote:

On Wed, 01 Sep 2010 16:35:17 -0500, John Fields
jfields_at_austininstruments.com> wrote:


And like religion and politics, it's full of bigots and assholes, such as
yourself.

---
I'm confused here...

What does "it's" refer to?
---

Gosh John, are you saying you have never had a contraction before?

---
Yup; I never gave birth to my children. ;)

---
JF

OK. Had to check, way too many ways the text could sort out. ;-D

JosephKK
Guest

Sun Sep 05, 2010 7:26 am   



On 3 Sep 2010 22:43:10 GMT, "DoN. Nichols" <BPdnicholsBP_at_d-and-d.com>
wrote:

Quote:
On 2010-09-02, Bill Palmer <Biiil_at_none.not> wrote:
On Mon, 30 Aug 2010 22:02:16 -0500 "Martin H. Eastburn"
lionslair_at_consolidated.net> wrote in Message id:
Yg_eo.72118$MG3.12016_at_en-nntp-16.dc1.easynews.com>:

We top posters save paging down pages of your junk in order to see
a word 'YES' or 'No'.

The convention on Usenet is to place your response *underneath* the
passage you're replying to -- much like the way your mother can often be
found underneath the UPS man.

And the majority of the "pages of junk" *should* have been
edited out -- leaving *only* what paragraph or sentence you are replying
to -- and perhaps a bit more for context.

If you have to go down to below what you are quoting to reply
to, you presumably will notice how much junk there is which needs
deleting.

This encouragement to edit is one of the benefits of bottom
posting when done right.

Just blindly moving to the bottom of screen after screen of
previously quoted text and adding your small addition to the text is
*not* proper bottom posting.

Enjoy,
DoN.

You are so darn picky. Do you expect Usenet posters to think or
something? 8*)

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