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WallyWallWhackr
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Tue Aug 31, 2010 4:16 pm   



On Aug 30, 3:46 pm, Gunner Asch <gunnera...@gmail.com> wrote:
Quote:
On Mon, 30 Aug 2010 15:21:14 -0700 (PDT), "lektric....@gmail.com"

lektric....@gmail.com> wrote:
On Aug 30, 5:11 pm, sta...@prolynx.com wrote:

Where it gets fun is where a connector has a recess, but the contacts
are pins sticking up and the mate fits the recess but has otherwise
female sockets for the pins.  The convention is that the recessed
piece is the female of the pair and the other part is the male plug,
but it could be argued for the reverse.

Stan

Oh, yeah.  Molex connectors are an example of this.  The plastic
portion can be male or female, and the metal parts (pins/sockets) can
be put in either gender plastic piece.

Amphenol (sp?) as well.


Not true. Only certain connector families have the
no-gender/cross-gender capability.

You must be one of those dopes that just shoves it in
anywhere... anyway.

There's a Sgt in Wichita they just arrested for that today.

John Fields
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Tue Aug 31, 2010 4:18 pm   



On Tue, 31 Aug 2010 09:31:07 -0500, "Lloyd E. Sponenburgh"
<lloydspinsidemindspring.com> wrote:

Quote:
John Fields <jfields_at_austininstruments.com> fired this volley in
news:5oup76dgfv71ktetn12g7v8idakgsvvfc3_at_4ax.com:

A less esoteric example I gave in another post was that of the female
connector on the end of the cable which connects the AC mains to a PC.
A plug, yes?


Not the pins themselves, but the sex of the apparatus, et al.

---
Yes, of course.

I thought I made that clear.
---

Quote:
The AC cord you mention is a plug,

---
The cord isn't, the connector is.

Matter of fact, both connectors are plugs, regardless of sex.
---

Quote:
because it is the male component of the
connection pair, even though it has female connections in it. It inserts
into a receptacle -- a receptacle we would never call either a "jack" or
a "plug", for reasons below.

---
I disagree.

I suspect that if you look at the schematic diagram, the receptacle
will be designated "JXXX" where the J refers to "jack" and XXX is an
identifying reference.

IME, that's almost universally true in that a connector pair is almost
always designated "JXXX" and "PXXX", for "jack" and "plug"
respectively, although the X's don't always match up.
---

Quote:
The terms "Jacks" and "Plugs" don't apply to general interconnection
devices, anyway.
---

I disagree. Check out "J" and "P" at:

news:036q761v5kc0uri23ctmhir90qmhja7lsj_at_4ax.com


Quote:
They traditionally apply to audio connectors. Iggy was
asking about a connector nominally designed for audio connections
(although not used for that purpose on his tool).

The terms come from early telephony application slang, one application of
which was to connect a cord to a panel, but another which was to bridge
connections IN the panel by inserting a shorting plug (sans flying wire)
into a hole. They "plugged" the hole to complete the connection. Thus,
anything on a switchboard going into a hole was a "plug".

I never heard, read, nor figured out why the hole was called a "jack".

---
Me neither.

---
JF

John Fields
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Tue Aug 31, 2010 4:19 pm   



On Mon, 30 Aug 2010 15:11:38 -0700 (PDT), stans4_at_prolynx.com wrote:

Quote:
On Aug 30, 2:12 pm, "lektric....@gmail.com" <lektric....@gmail.com
wrote:
To hijack this topic and kill it in my own special way...

This is one thing in electronics that has always annoyed and confused
me: what is a "jack"?  I've even heard the terms "male jack" and
"female jack" (wouldn't that be a "jill"?).  Isn't there a better,
more descriptive, less confusing set of terms to describe these
connectors?  Would "plug" (male) and "socket" (female) be any better?
Not that this will keep me up nights...

Never heard of a "male jack", that would be a "plug". Also have never
seen "female jack", redundant. "Female connector" or "receptacle",
sure. Jack always implies a female connector.

---
Nope.

The thing that plugs into your PC and connects it to the mains is a
female plug, while the receptacle on the PC is a male jack.
---

Quote:
Also used as a verb,
"to jack in a headphone".

---
Much more common, and in general use, is: "to plug in a headphone".

---
JF

John Fields
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Tue Aug 31, 2010 4:19 pm   



On Mon, 30 Aug 2010 13:12:11 -0700 (PDT), "lektric.dan_at_gmail.com"
<lektric.dan_at_gmail.com> wrote:

Quote:
To hijack this topic and kill it in my own special way...

This is one thing in electronics that has always annoyed and confused
me: what is a "jack"? I've even heard the terms "male jack" and
"female jack" (wouldn't that be a "jill"?). Isn't there a better,
more descriptive, less confusing set of terms to describe these
connectors? Would "plug" (male) and "socket" (female) be any better?
Not that this will keep me up nights...

---
A "plug" is a connector, male or female, meant to be movable and
attached to a cable, and a "jack" is a connector receptacle meant to
be connected to a fixed location like a bulkhead or a chassis.


---
JF

GregS
Guest

Tue Aug 31, 2010 5:05 pm   



In article <8b7q765jm0392nu0iblrhtghc1lfoaeec4_at_4ax.com>, John Fields <jfields_at_austininstruments.com> wrote:
Quote:
On Mon, 30 Aug 2010 13:12:11 -0700 (PDT), "lektric.dan_at_gmail.com"
lektric.dan_at_gmail.com> wrote:

To hijack this topic and kill it in my own special way...

This is one thing in electronics that has always annoyed and confused
me: what is a "jack"? I've even heard the terms "male jack" and
"female jack" (wouldn't that be a "jill"?). Isn't there a better,
more descriptive, less confusing set of terms to describe these
connectors? Would "plug" (male) and "socket" (female) be any better?
Not that this will keep me up nights...

---
A "plug" is a connector, male or female, meant to be movable and
attached to a cable, and a "jack" is a connector receptacle meant to
be connected to a fixed location like a bulkhead or a chassis.


Most of the time you use a male plug for many things.
I guess all my male/female extension cords have nothing but plugs.
I'll still say my extension cords also have jacks.
Audio connectors don't usually have high voltages to worry about
unless its 70 volt, or connections to an electrostatic speaker, or electrostatic headphones,
but I try to keep power feed lines female.


My sink also has a plug attached with a chain, but there is no jack.

Gunner Asch
Guest

Tue Aug 31, 2010 8:26 pm   



On Tue, 31 Aug 2010 06:16:00 -0700 (PDT), WallyWallWhackr
<gonna_get_you_boy_at_cox.net> wrote:

Quote:
On Aug 30, 3:46 pm, Gunner Asch <gunnera...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Mon, 30 Aug 2010 15:21:14 -0700 (PDT), "lektric....@gmail.com"

lektric....@gmail.com> wrote:
On Aug 30, 5:11 pm, sta...@prolynx.com wrote:

Where it gets fun is where a connector has a recess, but the contacts
are pins sticking up and the mate fits the recess but has otherwise
female sockets for the pins.  The convention is that the recessed
piece is the female of the pair and the other part is the male plug,
but it could be argued for the reverse.

Stan

Oh, yeah.  Molex connectors are an example of this.  The plastic
portion can be male or female, and the metal parts (pins/sockets) can
be put in either gender plastic piece.

Amphenol (sp?) as well.


Not true. Only certain connector families have the
no-gender/cross-gender capability.

You must be one of those dopes that just shoves it in
anywhere... anyway.

There's a Sgt in Wichita they just arrested for that today.

Nice troll.

Now why not piss off?

Gunner


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and the Shield of my Nation.
If sent, I will crush everything you have built,
burn everything you love,
and kill every one of you.
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Mark Rand
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Tue Aug 31, 2010 9:25 pm   



On Tue, 31 Aug 2010 07:10:05 -0500, "Lloyd E. Sponenburgh"
<lloydspinsidemindspring.com> wrote:

Quote:
Ignoramus24925 <ignoramus24925_at_NOSPAM.24925.invalid> fired this volley in
news:xcudnUbFp4nQYubRnZ2dnUVZ_ukAAAAA_at_giganews.com:

Again, what I want is a female audio receptacle that mounts on a flat
panel.

Thanks

The female is the jack, the male is the plug.

You want a panel-mount jack.

(whatever size it is, but it sounds like a 1/8" miniature jack)

LLoyd


Only in weird places like the USA...

English for electricians:-

A Jack plug is a male TS or TRS connector.

A Jack socket is a female TS or TRS connector.

If it's any other type of connector, it isn't a Jack :-|

If it mounts to a chassis then it is a chassis mount jack socket. Chassis
mount jack plugs are almost unheard of, but line mounted jack sockets are
often used for extension cables.

They were used in telephone exchanges for many years before people started
using them for other things.

They are now available in 1/4" 3.5mm 2.5mm. 1/4" was the original telephone
jack size.


That's the English English version, by the way :-)

Mark Rand
RTFM

CaveLamb
Guest

Tue Aug 31, 2010 9:37 pm   



Mark Rand wrote:
Quote:
On Tue, 31 Aug 2010 07:10:05 -0500, "Lloyd E. Sponenburgh"
lloydspinsidemindspring.com> wrote:

Ignoramus24925 <ignoramus24925_at_NOSPAM.24925.invalid> fired this volley in
news:xcudnUbFp4nQYubRnZ2dnUVZ_ukAAAAA_at_giganews.com:

Again, what I want is a female audio receptacle that mounts on a flat
panel.

Thanks
The female is the jack, the male is the plug.

You want a panel-mount jack.

(whatever size it is, but it sounds like a 1/8" miniature jack)

LLoyd


Only in weird places like the USA...

English for electricians:-

A Jack plug is a male TS or TRS connector.

A Jack socket is a female TS or TRS connector.

If it's any other type of connector, it isn't a Jack :-|

If it mounts to a chassis then it is a chassis mount jack socket. Chassis
mount jack plugs are almost unheard of, but line mounted jack sockets are
often used for extension cables.


The AC mains connector on your computer???


Quote:

They were used in telephone exchanges for many years before people started
using them for other things.

They are now available in 1/4" 3.5mm 2.5mm. 1/4" was the original telephone
jack size.


That's the English English version, by the way :-)

Mark Rand
RTFM


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Adrian Tuddenham
Guest

Tue Aug 31, 2010 10:45 pm   



Mark Rand <randm_at_internettie.co.uk> wrote:

Quote:
On Tue, 31 Aug 2010 07:10:05 -0500, "Lloyd E. Sponenburgh"
lloydspinsidemindspring.com> wrote:

Ignoramus24925 <ignoramus24925_at_NOSPAM.24925.invalid> fired this volley in
news:xcudnUbFp4nQYubRnZ2dnUVZ_ukAAAAA_at_giganews.com:

Again, what I want is a female audio receptacle that mounts on a flat
panel.

Thanks

The female is the jack, the male is the plug.

You want a panel-mount jack.

(whatever size it is, but it sounds like a 1/8" miniature jack)

LLoyd


Only in weird places like the USA...

English for electricians:-

A Jack plug is a male TS or TRS connector.

A Jack socket is a female TS or TRS connector.

I don't know where you have come across that useage, but it is wrong.
The "Jack" is the hole and the "Plug" is what goes into it . That has
been both the English and American standard since at least the First
World War.

[...]
Quote:
They were used in telephone exchanges for many years before people started
using them for other things.

That is where the terminology "Jack = socket" came from. The 'multiple'
was terminated on jack strips i.e. rows of sockets.

Quote:

[...]. 1/4" was the original telephone
jack size.

But telephone jacks were not the 1/4" Gauge "A" type which you find on
domestic audio and semi-professional gear. The switchboard jack was
Gauge "B" with a smaller ball end on the plug . Not only was it easier
for the telephone operator to find the hole in the jack when the end if
the plug was smaller, but the contacts could not mis-mate while the plug
was being pushed in.

The Gauge "B" jack is also known as a British Post Office jack, a P.O.
jack or a B.B.C. jack. The plugs are sometimes known as "316 plugs"
after their number in the S.T.C. catalogue

Quote:
That's the English English version, by the way Smile

It is both English and American. A rare example of the meanings of
words being the same on both sides of the pond.


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Mark Rand
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Tue Aug 31, 2010 11:31 pm   



On Tue, 31 Aug 2010 15:37:41 -0500, CaveLamb <cavelamb_at_earthlink.net> wrote:

Quote:
Mark Rand wrote:
On Tue, 31 Aug 2010 07:10:05 -0500, "Lloyd E. Sponenburgh"
lloydspinsidemindspring.com> wrote:

Ignoramus24925 <ignoramus24925_at_NOSPAM.24925.invalid> fired this volley in
news:xcudnUbFp4nQYubRnZ2dnUVZ_ukAAAAA_at_giganews.com:

Again, what I want is a female audio receptacle that mounts on a flat
panel.

Thanks
The female is the jack, the male is the plug.

You want a panel-mount jack.

(whatever size it is, but it sounds like a 1/8" miniature jack)

LLoyd


Only in weird places like the USA...

English for electricians:-

A Jack plug is a male TS or TRS connector.

A Jack socket is a female TS or TRS connector.

If it's any other type of connector, it isn't a Jack :-|

If it mounts to a chassis then it is a chassis mount jack socket. Chassis
mount jack plugs are almost unheard of, but line mounted jack sockets are
often used for extension cables.


The AC mains connector on your computer???

Wouldn't even be a 14" Jack connector, let alone the smaller sizes :-)




Quote:



They were used in telephone exchanges for many years before people started
using them for other things.

They are now available in 1/4" 3.5mm 2.5mm. 1/4" was the original telephone
jack size.


That's the English English version, by the way :-)

Mark Rand

RTFM

WallyWallWhackr
Guest

Tue Aug 31, 2010 11:38 pm   



On Aug 31, 8:18 am, John Fields <jfie...@austininstruments.com> wrote:
Quote:
On Tue, 31 Aug 2010 09:31:07 -0500, "Lloyd E. Sponenburgh"

lloydspinsidemindspring.com> wrote:
John Fields <jfie...@austininstruments.com> fired this volley in
news:5oup76dgfv71ktetn12g7v8idakgsvvfc3_at_4ax.com:

A less esoteric example I gave in another post was that of the female
connector on the end of the cable which connects the AC mains to a PC.
A plug, yes?

Not the pins themselves, but the sex of the apparatus, et al.

---
Yes, of course.

I thought I made that clear.
---

The AC cord you mention is a plug,

---
The cord isn't, the connector is.

Matter of fact, both connectors are plugs, regardless of sex.
---

because it is the male component of the
connection pair, even though it has female connections in it.  It inserts
into a receptacle -- a receptacle we would never call either a "jack" or
a "plug", for reasons below.

---
I disagree.

I suspect that if you look at the schematic diagram, the receptacle
will be designated "JXXX" where the J refers to "jack" and XXX is an
identifying reference.

IME, that's almost universally true in that a connector pair is almost
always designated "JXXX" and "PXXX", for "jack" and "plug"
respectively, although the X's don't always match up.
---

The terms "Jacks" and "Plugs" don't apply to general interconnection
devices, anyway.  

---
I disagree. Check out "J" and "P" at:

news:036q761v5kc0uri23ctmhir90qmhja7lsj_at_4ax.com

They traditionally apply to audio connectors.  Iggy was
asking about a connector nominally designed for audio connections
(although not used for that purpose on his tool).  

The terms come from early telephony application slang, one application of
which was to connect a cord to a panel, but another which was to bridge
connections IN the panel by inserting a shorting plug (sans flying wire)
into a hole.  They "plugged" the hole to complete the connection.  Thus,
anything on a switchboard going into a hole was a "plug".

I never heard, read, nor figured out why the hole was called a "jack".

---
Me neither.

---
JF

I found this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ASME_Y14.44-2008

Also, look at #3 in this as to the base etymology:

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/jack

It then goes on to refer to connectors a bit further down.

WallyWallWhackr
Guest

Tue Aug 31, 2010 11:42 pm   



On Aug 31, 12:26 pm, Gunner Asch <gunnera...@gmail.com> wrote:
Quote:
On Tue, 31 Aug 2010 06:16:00 -0700 (PDT), WallyWallWhackr



gonna_get_you_...@cox.net> wrote:
On Aug 30, 3:46 pm, Gunner Asch <gunnera...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Mon, 30 Aug 2010 15:21:14 -0700 (PDT), "lektric....@gmail.com"

lektric....@gmail.com> wrote:
On Aug 30, 5:11 pm, sta...@prolynx.com wrote:

Where it gets fun is where a connector has a recess, but the contacts
are pins sticking up and the mate fits the recess but has otherwise
female sockets for the pins.  The convention is that the recessed
piece is the female of the pair and the other part is the male plug,
but it could be argued for the reverse.

Stan

Oh, yeah.  Molex connectors are an example of this.  The plastic
portion can be male or female, and the metal parts (pins/sockets) can
be put in either gender plastic piece.

Amphenol (sp?) as well.

Not true.  Only certain connector families have the
no-gender/cross-gender capability.

 You must be one of those dopes that just shoves it in
anywhere...    anyway.

There's a Sgt in Wichita they just arrested for that today.

Nice troll.

Bwuahahahahaah! Am I supposed to say thanks, fucktard?

Quote:
Now why not piss off?

I'd rather be here, calling you the sociocentric fucktard that you
are.

Martin H. Eastburn
Guest

Wed Sep 01, 2010 3:10 am   



The other issue is printing a single page to get an answer
rather than 10 pages of junk to get the page you really want.

Martin

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On 8/31/2010 3:01 AM, Adrian Tuddenham wrote:
Quote:
Martin H. Eastburn<lionslair_at_consolidated.net> wrote:

We top posters save paging down pages of your junk in order to see
a word 'YES' or 'No'.

Trim the quotes.



Martin H. Eastburn
Guest

Wed Sep 01, 2010 3:32 am   



And you are the spammer.

I have friends here that are rebuilding old CAD/CAM machines and DOS
machines from time to time.
Martin

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On 8/31/2010 5:14 AM, John Fields wrote:
Quote:
On Mon, 30 Aug 2010 21:59:15 -0500, "Martin H. Eastburn"
lionslair_at_consolidated.net> wrote:

Good info.

I have an AT NIC card and driver for Dos - CNC machines

I have a modern PCI bus NIC card - motherboard has one - don't need NIC.

In fact the tower was RF connected and the NIC was never used.

Trade or sale.

Martin

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"Our Republic and the Press will Rise or Fall Together": Joseph Pulitzer
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NRA Second Amendment Task Force Originator& Charter Founder
IHMSA and NRA Metallic Silhouette maker& member. http://lufkinced.com/

---
You forgot to include: "USENET SPAMmer" ;)

---
JF


DoN. Nichols
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Wed Sep 01, 2010 5:36 am   



On 2010-08-30, Ignoramus24925 <ignoramus24925_at_NOSPAM.24925.invalid> wrote:
Quote:
My CNC probe has a "audio jack" interface, meaning that it is supposed
to be plugged in into a audio jack receptacle, like on PCs, laptops
and MP3 players, same type of outlet as used for headphones.

I would like to install a proper "through hull" outlet, but I am not
sure how such things are called. I am sure that it is a dime a dozen
item.

Again, what I want is a female audio receptacle that mounts on a flat
panel.

It is a "miniature (or subminiature) phone jack", (female).

What diameter the plug is can vary, so measure that. I see
2.50mm (3/32"), and 3.50mm (1/8") listed in Digikey. They are two
conductor (tip and sleeve) or three conductor (tip, ring, sleeve).
Stereo audio connectors tend to be tip-ring-sleeve design.

The standard sized (and rare these days) phone plug is 1/4"
diameter, and I believe that there is also a (even more rare) 3/16"
diameter.

Some are also set up to close or open extra contacts as you plug
in the male connector.

Here is one three circuit one 1/8" diameter by Switchcraft to
be found at http://www.newark.com/ -- look for Newark part number
27B9344 or Switchcraft part number 35RAPC2BV4.

They are $3.42 each.

Mounting is through a hole in the panel, secured by the knurled
nut visible spun up against the body.

It looks as though this one is the stereo (three circuit) with
two switch contacts made or opened as you insert the plug. (Though the
illustration does not show the extra solder terminals required for
that.)

Assuming that the URL found by the search is not a volatile one,
you can simply try:

<http://www.newark.com/switchcraft/35rapc2bv4/connector-assemblies-jack-audio/dp/27B9344>

You can find several on their catalog page 983

Measure your plug, so you know which one you really need.

You can likely even find them still at Radio Shack. :-)

Read up on the Wikipedia page:

<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TRS_connector>

to see lots of versions.

Good Luck,
DoN.

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