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D Yuniskis
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Mon Mar 01, 2010 10:58 pm
Hi,
I do a lot of formal writing (specifications, manuals, etc.).
And, I suspect much of my spelling, vocabulary, grammar,
etc. traits have remained largely unchanged since grade
school. :<
Today, as I was trying to remember a keystroke sequence
for an accented character in FrameMaker, I *conciously*
noticed that I still automatically spell "naive" with a
dieresis.
At first, I shrugged this off as a throwback to something
I learned in childhood.
But, then I started thinking about it more. In particular,
the fact that I *only* use it in this word! And, have
*never* used it in other places where it "should" be used.
(of course, no one *still* uses it at all, so this is a moot
point)
I can only imagine this was a peculiar trait of whichever
grade school teacher first taught me the word? Of course,
few of them are still breathing :> and, I suspect the only
way to try to get an answer would be to ask each to spell
the word (and hope their spelling practices haven't silently
changed over the years).
Am I alone in these ancient practices? E.g., how do you
spell the reference book(set) called encyclo... ? I've
already given up trying to understand how the element
Al is spelled on the other side of the pond.
<grin> Amusing to question where these practices came from!
(toilet paper: over the top or under the bottom? :> )
OK, now we can get back to talking about electrocuting
people...
--don
Phil Hobbs
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Guest
Tue Mar 02, 2010 1:11 am
On 3/1/2010 4:58 PM, D Yuniskis wrote:
Quote:
Hi,
I do a lot of formal writing (specifications, manuals, etc.).
And, I suspect much of my spelling, vocabulary, grammar,
etc. traits have remained largely unchanged since grade
school. :
Today, as I was trying to remember a keystroke sequence
for an accented character in FrameMaker, I *conciously*
noticed that I still automatically spell "naive" with a
dieresis.
At first, I shrugged this off as a throwback to something
I learned in childhood.
But, then I started thinking about it more. In particular,
the fact that I *only* use it in this word! And, have
*never* used it in other places where it "should" be used.
(of course, no one *still* uses it at all, so this is a moot
point)
I can only imagine this was a peculiar trait of whichever
grade school teacher first taught me the word? Of course,
few of them are still breathing :> and, I suspect the only
way to try to get an answer would be to ask each to spell
the word (and hope their spelling practices haven't silently
changed over the years).
Am I alone in these ancient practices? E.g., how do you
spell the reference book(set) called encyclo... ? I've
already given up trying to understand how the element
Al is spelled on the other side of the pond.
grin> Amusing to question where these practices came from!
(toilet paper: over the top or under the bottom? :> )
OK, now we can get back to talking about electrocuting
people...
--don
I do a lot of formal writing (specifications, manuals, etc.).
And, I suspect much of my spelling, vocabulary, grammar,
etc. traits have remained largely unchanged since grade
school. :
Today, as I was trying to remember a keystroke sequence
for an accented character in FrameMaker, I *conciously*
noticed that I still automatically spell "naive" with a
dieresis.
At first, I shrugged this off as a throwback to something
I learned in childhood.
But, then I started thinking about it more. In particular,
the fact that I *only* use it in this word! And, have
*never* used it in other places where it "should" be used.
(of course, no one *still* uses it at all, so this is a moot
point)
I can only imagine this was a peculiar trait of whichever
grade school teacher first taught me the word? Of course,
few of them are still breathing :> and, I suspect the only
way to try to get an answer would be to ask each to spell
the word (and hope their spelling practices haven't silently
changed over the years).
Am I alone in these ancient practices? E.g., how do you
spell the reference book(set) called encyclo... ? I've
already given up trying to understand how the element
Al is spelled on the other side of the pond.
grin> Amusing to question where these practices came from!
(toilet paper: over the top or under the bottom? :> )
OK, now we can get back to talking about electrocuting
people...
--don
The diaeresis is one of my favourite neglected punctuation marks. As in
co:operate, nai:ve, piezo:optic, and a host of others. I can't get them
past copyeditors these days, though.
Fight the good fight. (Or possibly the food fight-it's more fun.)
Cheers
Phil Hobbs
--
Dr Philip C D Hobbs
Principal
ElectroÖptical Innovations
55 Orchard Rd
Briarcliff Manor NY 10510
845-480-2058
hobbs at electroÖptical dot net
http://electroÖptical.net
D Yuniskis
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Guest
Tue Mar 02, 2010 2:44 am
Phil Hobbs wrote:
Quote:
On 3/1/2010 4:58 PM, D Yuniskis wrote:
Today, as I was trying to remember a keystroke sequence
for an accented character in FrameMaker, I *conciously*
noticed that I still automatically spell "naive" with a
dieresis.
But, then I started thinking about it more. In particular,
the fact that I *only* use it in this word! And, have
*never* used it in other places where it "should" be used.
The diaeresis is one of my favourite neglected punctuation marks. As in
co:operate, nai:ve, piezo:optic, and a host of others. I can't get them
past copyeditors these days, though.
Today, as I was trying to remember a keystroke sequence
for an accented character in FrameMaker, I *conciously*
noticed that I still automatically spell "naive" with a
dieresis.
But, then I started thinking about it more. In particular,
the fact that I *only* use it in this word! And, have
*never* used it in other places where it "should" be used.
The diaeresis is one of my favourite neglected punctuation marks. As in
co:operate, nai:ve, piezo:optic, and a host of others. I can't get them
past copyeditors these days, though.
Yes :> My point was the realization that I have *never*
used it in other places where it "should" be used ("preempt"
was the word that triggered this realization -- as I had used
it just moments after naive). <shrug> I suspect some
teacher of mine learned it that way "as a kid" and passed it
on to us "as kids". And, apparently, didn't apply it
consistently!
Quote:
Fight the good fight. (Or possibly the food fight-it's more fun.)
Ha! Watch out for flying peanut butter!
--don
John Larkin
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Guest
Tue Mar 02, 2010 3:01 am
On Mon, 01 Mar 2010 19:11:46 -0500, Phil Hobbs
<pcdhSpamMeSenseless_at_electrooptical.net> wrote:
Quote:
On 3/1/2010 4:58 PM, D Yuniskis wrote:
Hi,
I do a lot of formal writing (specifications, manuals, etc.).
And, I suspect much of my spelling, vocabulary, grammar,
etc. traits have remained largely unchanged since grade
school. :
Today, as I was trying to remember a keystroke sequence
for an accented character in FrameMaker, I *conciously*
noticed that I still automatically spell "naive" with a
dieresis.
At first, I shrugged this off as a throwback to something
I learned in childhood.
But, then I started thinking about it more. In particular,
the fact that I *only* use it in this word! And, have
*never* used it in other places where it "should" be used.
(of course, no one *still* uses it at all, so this is a moot
point)
I can only imagine this was a peculiar trait of whichever
grade school teacher first taught me the word? Of course,
few of them are still breathing :> and, I suspect the only
way to try to get an answer would be to ask each to spell
the word (and hope their spelling practices haven't silently
changed over the years).
Am I alone in these ancient practices? E.g., how do you
spell the reference book(set) called encyclo... ? I've
already given up trying to understand how the element
Al is spelled on the other side of the pond.
grin> Amusing to question where these practices came from!
(toilet paper: over the top or under the bottom? :> )
OK, now we can get back to talking about electrocuting
people...
--don
The diaeresis is one of my favourite neglected punctuation marks. As in
co:operate, nai:ve, piezo:optic, and a host of others. I can't get them
past copyeditors these days, though.
Fight the good fight. (Or possibly the food fight-it's more fun.)
Cheers
Phil Hobbs
Hi,
I do a lot of formal writing (specifications, manuals, etc.).
And, I suspect much of my spelling, vocabulary, grammar,
etc. traits have remained largely unchanged since grade
school. :
Today, as I was trying to remember a keystroke sequence
for an accented character in FrameMaker, I *conciously*
noticed that I still automatically spell "naive" with a
dieresis.
At first, I shrugged this off as a throwback to something
I learned in childhood.
But, then I started thinking about it more. In particular,
the fact that I *only* use it in this word! And, have
*never* used it in other places where it "should" be used.
(of course, no one *still* uses it at all, so this is a moot
point)
I can only imagine this was a peculiar trait of whichever
grade school teacher first taught me the word? Of course,
few of them are still breathing :> and, I suspect the only
way to try to get an answer would be to ask each to spell
the word (and hope their spelling practices haven't silently
changed over the years).
Am I alone in these ancient practices? E.g., how do you
spell the reference book(set) called encyclo... ? I've
already given up trying to understand how the element
Al is spelled on the other side of the pond.
grin> Amusing to question where these practices came from!
(toilet paper: over the top or under the bottom? :> )
OK, now we can get back to talking about electrocuting
people...
--don
The diaeresis is one of my favourite neglected punctuation marks. As in
co:operate, nai:ve, piezo:optic, and a host of others. I can't get them
past copyeditors these days, though.
Fight the good fight. (Or possibly the food fight-it's more fun.)
Cheers
Phil Hobbs
Hey, Phil,
got power? I sent you some stuff, should be there Wednesday.
John
Phil Hobbs
Guest
Guest
Tue Mar 02, 2010 3:03 am
On 3/1/2010 9:01 PM, John Larkin wrote:
Quote:
On Mon, 01 Mar 2010 19:11:46 -0500, Phil Hobbs
pcdhSpamMeSenseless_at_electrooptical.net> wrote:
On 3/1/2010 4:58 PM, D Yuniskis wrote:
Hi,
I do a lot of formal writing (specifications, manuals, etc.).
And, I suspect much of my spelling, vocabulary, grammar,
etc. traits have remained largely unchanged since grade
school. :
Today, as I was trying to remember a keystroke sequence
for an accented character in FrameMaker, I *conciously*
noticed that I still automatically spell "naive" with a
dieresis.
At first, I shrugged this off as a throwback to something
I learned in childhood.
But, then I started thinking about it more. In particular,
the fact that I *only* use it in this word! And, have
*never* used it in other places where it "should" be used.
(of course, no one *still* uses it at all, so this is a moot
point)
I can only imagine this was a peculiar trait of whichever
grade school teacher first taught me the word? Of course,
few of them are still breathing :> and, I suspect the only
way to try to get an answer would be to ask each to spell
the word (and hope their spelling practices haven't silently
changed over the years).
Am I alone in these ancient practices? E.g., how do you
spell the reference book(set) called encyclo... ? I've
already given up trying to understand how the element
Al is spelled on the other side of the pond.
grin> Amusing to question where these practices came from!
(toilet paper: over the top or under the bottom? :> )
OK, now we can get back to talking about electrocuting
people...
--don
The diaeresis is one of my favourite neglected punctuation marks. As in
co:operate, nai:ve, piezo:optic, and a host of others. I can't get them
past copyeditors these days, though.
Fight the good fight. (Or possibly the food fight-it's more fun.)
Cheers
Phil Hobbs
Hey, Phil,
got power? I sent you some stuff, should be there Wednesday.
John
pcdhSpamMeSenseless_at_electrooptical.net> wrote:
On 3/1/2010 4:58 PM, D Yuniskis wrote:
Hi,
I do a lot of formal writing (specifications, manuals, etc.).
And, I suspect much of my spelling, vocabulary, grammar,
etc. traits have remained largely unchanged since grade
school. :
Today, as I was trying to remember a keystroke sequence
for an accented character in FrameMaker, I *conciously*
noticed that I still automatically spell "naive" with a
dieresis.
At first, I shrugged this off as a throwback to something
I learned in childhood.
But, then I started thinking about it more. In particular,
the fact that I *only* use it in this word! And, have
*never* used it in other places where it "should" be used.
(of course, no one *still* uses it at all, so this is a moot
point)
I can only imagine this was a peculiar trait of whichever
grade school teacher first taught me the word? Of course,
few of them are still breathing :> and, I suspect the only
way to try to get an answer would be to ask each to spell
the word (and hope their spelling practices haven't silently
changed over the years).
Am I alone in these ancient practices? E.g., how do you
spell the reference book(set) called encyclo... ? I've
already given up trying to understand how the element
Al is spelled on the other side of the pond.
grin> Amusing to question where these practices came from!
(toilet paper: over the top or under the bottom? :> )
OK, now we can get back to talking about electrocuting
people...
--don
The diaeresis is one of my favourite neglected punctuation marks. As in
co:operate, nai:ve, piezo:optic, and a host of others. I can't get them
past copyeditors these days, though.
Fight the good fight. (Or possibly the food fight-it's more fun.)
Cheers
Phil Hobbs
Hey, Phil,
got power? I sent you some stuff, should be there Wednesday.
John
Hi, John,
Yeah, it came on late last night, after 48 hours or so. I was looking
longingly at some nice 2 kW Honda generators that run on methane,
propane, and gasoline. Fortunately we have lots of camping gear
still, though using a white gas lantern in the living room was a bit
strange. ;)
Thanks
Phil
--
Dr Philip C D Hobbs
Principal
ElectroOptical Innovations
55 Orchard Rd
Briarcliff Manor NY 10510
845-480-2058
hobbs at electrooptical dot net
http://electrooptical.net
Phil Hobbs
Guest
Guest
Tue Mar 02, 2010 3:28 am
On 3/1/2010 9:37 PM, D Yuniskis wrote:
Quote:
Hi Phil,
Phil Hobbs wrote:
Yeah, it came on late last night, after 48 hours or so. I was looking
longingly at some nice 2 kW Honda generators that run on methane,
propane, and gasoline. Fortunately we have lots of camping gear still,
though using a white gas lantern in the living room was a bit strange. ;)
A CFL lamp and even a modest sized UPS will easily get you through
the evening. I suspect my UPS's have seen more use "providing
light" than they have "backing up computers" :-/
Phil Hobbs wrote:
Yeah, it came on late last night, after 48 hours or so. I was looking
longingly at some nice 2 kW Honda generators that run on methane,
propane, and gasoline. Fortunately we have lots of camping gear still,
though using a white gas lantern in the living room was a bit strange. ;)
A CFL lamp and even a modest sized UPS will easily get you through
the evening. I suspect my UPS's have seen more use "providing
light" than they have "backing up computers" :-/
We saved the UPS for charging cell phones.
Cheers
Phil Hobbs
--
Dr Philip C D Hobbs
Principal
ElectroOptical Innovations
55 Orchard Rd
Briarcliff Manor NY 10510
845-480-2058
hobbs at electrooptical dot net
http://electrooptical.net
D Yuniskis
Guest
Guest
Tue Mar 02, 2010 3:32 am
Hi Phil,
Phil Hobbs wrote:
Quote:
Yeah, it came on late last night, after 48 hours or so. I was looking
longingly at some nice 2 kW Honda generators that run on methane,
propane, and gasoline. Fortunately we have lots of camping gear
still, though using a white gas lantern in the living room was a bit
strange.
longingly at some nice 2 kW Honda generators that run on methane,
propane, and gasoline. Fortunately we have lots of camping gear
still, though using a white gas lantern in the living room was a bit
strange.
A CFL lamp and even a modest sized UPS will easily get you through
the evening. I suspect my UPS's have seen more use "providing
light" than they have "backing up computers" :-/
Frank-Christian Krügel
Guest
Guest
Tue Mar 02, 2010 8:52 am
Am 01.03.2010 22:58, schrieb D Yuniskis:
Quote:
Today, as I was trying to remember a keystroke sequence
for an accented character in FrameMaker, I *conciously*
noticed that I still automatically spell "naive" with a
dieresis.
for an accented character in FrameMaker, I *conciously*
noticed that I still automatically spell "naive" with a
dieresis.
Oh, we like using them. Just look at my sig. :-)
--
Mit freundlichen Grüßen
Frank-Christian Krügel
Boudewijn Dijkstra
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Tue Mar 02, 2010 9:18 am
Op Tue, 02 Mar 2010 08:52:31 +0100 schreef Frank-Christian Krügel
<dontmailme_at_news.invalid>:
Quote:
Am 01.03.2010 22:58, schrieb D Yuniskis:
Today, as I was trying to remember a keystroke sequence
for an accented character in FrameMaker, I *conciously*
noticed that I still automatically spell "naive" with a
dieresis.
Oh, we like using them. Just look at my sig.
Today, as I was trying to remember a keystroke sequence
for an accented character in FrameMaker, I *conciously*
noticed that I still automatically spell "naive" with a
dieresis.
Oh, we like using them. Just look at my sig.
An umlaut is technically not a diaeresis. They have different uses. My
native language, however does still use real diaeresis (or diæresis?).
As in coöpereren, naïef, piezoöptisch, and a host of others. ;)
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Ignacio G. T.
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Tue Mar 02, 2010 2:24 pm
El 01/03/2010 22:58, D Yuniskis escribió:
Quote:
Hi,
I do a lot of formal writing (specifications, manuals, etc.).
And, I suspect much of my spelling, vocabulary, grammar,
etc. traits have remained largely unchanged since grade
school. :
Today, as I was trying to remember a keystroke sequence
for an accented character in FrameMaker, I *conciously*
noticed that I still automatically spell "naive" with a
dieresis.
I do a lot of formal writing (specifications, manuals, etc.).
And, I suspect much of my spelling, vocabulary, grammar,
etc. traits have remained largely unchanged since grade
school. :
Today, as I was trying to remember a keystroke sequence
for an accented character in FrameMaker, I *conciously*
noticed that I still automatically spell "naive" with a
dieresis.
Naïve is the only word I spell with dieresis in English, because the
first time I saw it, it had one. It was in a song by Queen.
Last week I saw the word 'nieve', and was perplexed until I got rid of
my Spanish mind and tried to think as an English-speaking person. Aha,
it's not 'snow', but 'naïve'...
D Yuniskis
Guest
Guest
Tue Mar 02, 2010 3:24 pm
Hi Frank-Christian,
Frank-Christian Krügel wrote:
Quote:
Am 01.03.2010 22:58, schrieb D Yuniskis:
Today, as I was trying to remember a keystroke sequence
for an accented character in FrameMaker, I *conciously*
noticed that I still automatically spell "naive" with a
dieresis.
Oh, we like using them. Just look at my sig.
Today, as I was trying to remember a keystroke sequence
for an accented character in FrameMaker, I *conciously*
noticed that I still automatically spell "naive" with a
dieresis.
Oh, we like using them. Just look at my sig.
Yes, but an umlaut changes the sound of the vowel
whereas a dieresis causes the vowel to be pronounced as
another syllable.
For example:
pre-empt
co-operation
Not quite the same thing.
(can an umlaut be used on anything *other* than a vowel?)
D Yuniskis
Guest
Guest
Tue Mar 02, 2010 3:26 pm
Ignacio G. T. wrote:
Quote:
El 01/03/2010 22:58, D Yuniskis escribió:
Hi,
I do a lot of formal writing (specifications, manuals, etc.).
And, I suspect much of my spelling, vocabulary, grammar,
etc. traits have remained largely unchanged since grade
school. :
Today, as I was trying to remember a keystroke sequence
for an accented character in FrameMaker, I *conciously*
noticed that I still automatically spell "naive" with a
dieresis.
Naïve is the only word I spell with dieresis in English, because the
first time I saw it, it had one. It was in a song by Queen.
Hi,
I do a lot of formal writing (specifications, manuals, etc.).
And, I suspect much of my spelling, vocabulary, grammar,
etc. traits have remained largely unchanged since grade
school. :
Today, as I was trying to remember a keystroke sequence
for an accented character in FrameMaker, I *conciously*
noticed that I still automatically spell "naive" with a
dieresis.
Naïve is the only word I spell with dieresis in English, because the
first time I saw it, it had one. It was in a song by Queen.
Ha! I suspect none of my teachers learned it there (since
they predated Queen's formation as a band).
Quote:
Last week I saw the word 'nieve', and was perplexed until I got rid of
my Spanish mind and tried to think as an English-speaking person. Aha,
it's not 'snow', but 'naïve'...
my Spanish mind and tried to think as an English-speaking person. Aha,
it's not 'snow', but 'naïve'...
Boudewijn Dijkstra
Guest
Guest
Tue Mar 02, 2010 4:15 pm
Op Tue, 02 Mar 2010 15:24:27 +0100 schreef D Yuniskis
<not.going.to.be_at_seen.com>:
Quote:
(can an umlaut be used on anything *other* than a vowel?)
Only in heavy metal:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/4/45/Spinal_Tap_logo.jpg
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Nial Stewart
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Tue Mar 02, 2010 4:56 pm
Quote:
Last week I saw the word 'nieve', and was perplexed until I got rid of my Spanish mind and tried
to think as an English-speaking person. Aha, it's not 'snow', but 'naïve'...
to think as an English-speaking person. Aha, it's not 'snow', but 'naïve'...
I've also seen my daughter's name "Niamh" spelt like that.
Bloomin Americans.
Nial
Nial Stewart
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Guest
Tue Mar 02, 2010 5:55 pm
Sorry forgot the
Quote:
Bloomin Americans
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