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Commander Kinsey
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Thu Jun 06, 2019 9:45 pm   



I noticed some new houses being built, all with environmental shit, like solar panels, water reclamation from gutters etc. But why do they have only 3 or 4 panels when the roof could hold about 12?

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Thu Jun 06, 2019 9:45 pm   



On 2019-06-06 1:35 p.m., Commander Kinsey wrote:
Quote:
I noticed some new houses being built, all with environmental shit, like
solar panels, water reclamation from gutters etc.  But why do they have
only 3 or 4 panels when the roof could hold about 12?


how many did the costumer buy

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Thu Jun 06, 2019 11:45 pm   



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Commander Kinsey
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Thu Jun 06, 2019 11:45 pm   



On Thu, 06 Jun 2019 22:25:56 +0100, Andy Burns <usenet_at_andyburns.uk> wrote:

Quote:
Commander Kinsey wrote:

I noticed some new houses being built, all with environmental shit, like
solar panels, water reclamation from gutters etc. But why do they have
only 3 or 4 panels when the roof could hold about 12?

Very little incentive to have any at all now that the feed-in/bribery
tariff has ended.


That's what I would have thought, but these houses are only a couple of years old. None I could understand, loads I could understand, but not a few on each roof.

Commander Kinsey
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Thu Jun 06, 2019 11:45 pm   



On Thu, 06 Jun 2019 23:12:31 +0100, trader_4 <trader4_at_optonline.net> wrote:

Quote:
On Thursday, June 6, 2019 at 6:04:40 PM UTC-4, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Thu, 06 Jun 2019 22:59:47 +0100, trader_4 <trader4_at_optonline.net> wrote:

On Thursday, June 6, 2019 at 5:45:33 PM UTC-4, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Thu, 06 Jun 2019 22:25:56 +0100, Andy Burns <usenet_at_andyburns.uk> wrote:

Commander Kinsey wrote:

I noticed some new houses being built, all with environmental shit, like
solar panels, water reclamation from gutters etc. But why do they have
only 3 or 4 panels when the roof could hold about 12?

Very little incentive to have any at all now that the feed-in/bribery
tariff has ended.

That's what I would have thought, but these houses are only a couple of years old. None I could understand, loads I could understand, but not a few on each roof.

One factor could be that the output per panel has gone up over
time. They were ~200W a decade ago, new ones are ~300W. But still
3 or 4 would be only 1200W, not even enough to equal what a typical house
uses. And you'd think that some of the cost is fixed, ie putting in
12 isn't going to cost 3 times what it costs to put in 4, so if it's
undersized, the economics is worse.

Agreed - you might aswell make as much use of the roof space as you can. And so what if you generate more than the house uses? There are houses that don't generate anything. And once we all use electric cars, we'll need a hell of a lot more.

I think in the above you're assuming that you get paid a decent rate on
the excess, which may not be true. You may only get wholesale rate,
which makes it economically unviable.


Surely you'll make at least roughly what you save by making your own for what you use?

Quote:
It also seems damn stupid to build an estate of 50 houses and put 1.2kW on each roof, instead of 2.4kW on half the roofs, with a much lower installation cost.

And do what with the owners? One owner produces the power, is subject
to the costs and benefits, the other is just another power system
customer.


Different people might want it or not.

Quote:
They do have large solar arrays that are on businesses
or just on acres of land, generating power for the grid.


Yes I know someone who did that on his farm, filling an entire field, but it was only economically viable because of a subsidy.

Commander Kinsey
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Thu Jun 06, 2019 11:45 pm   



On Thu, 06 Jun 2019 23:11:50 +0100, Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa_at_gmail.com> wrote:

Quote:


"trader_4" <trader4_at_optonline.net> wrote in message
news:943fe1dc-72cb-4890-b684-b3aab20b0f99_at_googlegroups.com...
On Thursday, June 6, 2019 at 5:45:33 PM UTC-4, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Thu, 06 Jun 2019 22:25:56 +0100, Andy Burns <usenet_at_andyburns.uk
wrote:

Commander Kinsey wrote:

I noticed some new houses being built, all with environmental shit,
like
solar panels, water reclamation from gutters etc. But why do they
have
only 3 or 4 panels when the roof could hold about 12?

Very little incentive to have any at all now that the feed-in/bribery
tariff has ended.

That's what I would have thought, but these houses are only a couple of
years old. None I could understand, loads I could understand, but not a
few on each roof.

One factor could be that the output per panel has gone up over
time. They were ~200W a decade ago, new ones are ~300W. But still
3 or 4 would be only 1200W, not even enough to equal what a typical house
uses. And you'd think that some of the cost is fixed, ie putting in
12 isn't going to cost 3 times what it costs to put in 4, so if it's
undersized, the economics is worse.

And he's in scotland which isnt great for solar insulation in winter
or even in summer.


WTF is solar insulation?

Commander Kinsey
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Thu Jun 06, 2019 11:45 pm   



On Thu, 06 Jun 2019 23:08:06 +0100, trader_4 <trader4_at_optonline.net> wrote:

Quote:
On Thursday, June 6, 2019 at 5:53:05 PM UTC-4, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Thu, 06 Jun 2019 22:48:40 +0100, Andy Burns <usenet_at_andyburns.uk> wrote:

Commander Kinsey wrote:

Andy Burns wrote:

Very little incentive to have any at all now that the feed-in/bribery
tariff has ended.

That's what I would have thought, but these houses are only a couple of
years old.

FIT ended (for new installs) 31st March 2019.

I wasn't aware it was a different date for new installs. I tried to get some on my existing house 5 years ago and just missed it.

However, if the bribery had ended, why did they install any at all? Is there some silly regulation saying they have to have a small number?

And these houses would have been completed before 31st March 2019.

You don't even say where this is. The rebates, tax incentives, payments
for electric you generate, vary widely, state by state.


Sorry I thought you knew I lived in the UK.

Quote:
I agree though that a small number doesn't make sense, assuming it's not
enough to cover the energy usage of the house.


Irrelevant, you can always make more and it just goes into the grid.

Quote:
Which again gets to where
it's located. If it's FL and they need heavy AC it's going to be higher
energy needed than someplace more moderate.


Irrelevant, you can always make more and it just goes into the grid.

Commander Kinsey
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Thu Jun 06, 2019 11:45 pm   



On Thu, 06 Jun 2019 23:03:17 +0100, Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa_at_gmail.com> wrote:

Quote:


"Commander Kinsey" <CFKinsey_at_military.org.jp> wrote in message
news:op.z2zge2ejwdg98l_at_desktop-ga2mpl8.lan...
On Thu, 06 Jun 2019 22:48:40 +0100, Andy Burns <usenet_at_andyburns.uk
wrote:

Commander Kinsey wrote:

Andy Burns wrote:

Very little incentive to have any at all now that the feed-in/bribery
tariff has ended.

That's what I would have thought, but these houses are only a couple of
years old.

FIT ended (for new installs) 31st March 2019.

I wasn't aware it was a different date for new installs. I tried to get
some on my existing house 5 years ago and just missed it.

However, if the bribery had ended, why did they install any at all?

Likely because it can still be worth doing without the bribe


If it's worth installing a few, why isn't it worth installing the full roof area?

Quote:
Is there some silly regulation saying they have to have a small number?

And these houses would have been completed before 31st March 2019.


Commander Kinsey
Guest

Thu Jun 06, 2019 11:45 pm   



On Thu, 06 Jun 2019 22:59:47 +0100, trader_4 <trader4_at_optonline.net> wrote:

Quote:
On Thursday, June 6, 2019 at 5:45:33 PM UTC-4, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Thu, 06 Jun 2019 22:25:56 +0100, Andy Burns <usenet_at_andyburns.uk> wrote:

Commander Kinsey wrote:

I noticed some new houses being built, all with environmental shit, like
solar panels, water reclamation from gutters etc. But why do they have
only 3 or 4 panels when the roof could hold about 12?

Very little incentive to have any at all now that the feed-in/bribery
tariff has ended.

That's what I would have thought, but these houses are only a couple of years old. None I could understand, loads I could understand, but not a few on each roof.

One factor could be that the output per panel has gone up over
time. They were ~200W a decade ago, new ones are ~300W. But still
3 or 4 would be only 1200W, not even enough to equal what a typical house
uses. And you'd think that some of the cost is fixed, ie putting in
12 isn't going to cost 3 times what it costs to put in 4, so if it's
undersized, the economics is worse.


Agreed - you might aswell make as much use of the roof space as you can. And so what if you generate more than the house uses? There are houses that don't generate anything. And once we all use electric cars, we'll need a hell of a lot more.

It also seems damn stupid to build an estate of 50 houses and put 1.2kW on each roof, instead of 2.4kW on half the roofs, with a much lower installation cost.

Rod Speed
Guest

Thu Jun 06, 2019 11:45 pm   



"Commander Kinsey" <CFKinsey_at_military.org.jp> wrote in message
news:op.z2zge2ejwdg98l_at_desktop-ga2mpl8.lan...
Quote:
On Thu, 06 Jun 2019 22:48:40 +0100, Andy Burns <usenet_at_andyburns.uk
wrote:

Commander Kinsey wrote:

Andy Burns wrote:

Very little incentive to have any at all now that the feed-in/bribery
tariff has ended.

That's what I would have thought, but these houses are only a couple of
years old.

FIT ended (for new installs) 31st March 2019.

I wasn't aware it was a different date for new installs. I tried to get
some on my existing house 5 years ago and just missed it.

However, if the bribery had ended, why did they install any at all?


Likely because it can still be worth doing without the bribe

Quote:
Is there some silly regulation saying they have to have a small number?

And these houses would have been completed before 31st March 2019.


Rod Speed
Guest

Thu Jun 06, 2019 11:45 pm   



"Commander Kinsey" <CFKinsey_at_military.org.jp> wrote in message
news:op.z2zf2jbzwdg98l_at_desktop-ga2mpl8.lan...
Quote:
On Thu, 06 Jun 2019 22:25:56 +0100, Andy Burns <usenet_at_andyburns.uk
wrote:

Commander Kinsey wrote:

I noticed some new houses being built, all with environmental shit, like
solar panels, water reclamation from gutters etc. But why do they have
only 3 or 4 panels when the roof could hold about 12?

Very little incentive to have any at all now that the feed-in/bribery
tariff has ended.

That's what I would have thought, but these houses are only a couple of
years old. None I could understand, loads I could understand, but not a
few on each roof.


Likely that's all they could afford after paying for the
house or all they could get someone to lend them.

Commander Kinsey
Guest

Thu Jun 06, 2019 11:45 pm   



On Thu, 06 Jun 2019 22:48:40 +0100, Andy Burns <usenet_at_andyburns.uk> wrote:

Quote:
Commander Kinsey wrote:

Andy Burns wrote:

Very little incentive to have any at all now that the feed-in/bribery
tariff has ended.

That's what I would have thought, but these houses are only a couple of
years old.

FIT ended (for new installs) 31st March 2019.


I wasn't aware it was a different date for new installs. I tried to get some on my existing house 5 years ago and just missed it.

However, if the bribery had ended, why did they install any at all? Is there some silly regulation saying they have to have a small number?

And these houses would have been completed before 31st March 2019.

Rod Speed
Guest

Fri Jun 07, 2019 12:45 am   



"Commander Kinsey" <CFKinsey_at_military.org.jp> wrote in message
news:op.z2zib9yqwdg98l_at_desktop-ga2mpl8.lan...
Quote:
On Thu, 06 Jun 2019 23:11:50 +0100, Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa_at_gmail.com
wrote:



"trader_4" <trader4_at_optonline.net> wrote in message
news:943fe1dc-72cb-4890-b684-b3aab20b0f99_at_googlegroups.com...
On Thursday, June 6, 2019 at 5:45:33 PM UTC-4, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Thu, 06 Jun 2019 22:25:56 +0100, Andy Burns <usenet_at_andyburns.uk
wrote:

Commander Kinsey wrote:

I noticed some new houses being built, all with environmental shit,
like
solar panels, water reclamation from gutters etc. But why do they
have
only 3 or 4 panels when the roof could hold about 12?

Very little incentive to have any at all now that the feed-in/bribery
tariff has ended.

That's what I would have thought, but these houses are only a couple of
years old. None I could understand, loads I could understand, but not
a
few on each roof.

One factor could be that the output per panel has gone up over
time. They were ~200W a decade ago, new ones are ~300W. But still
3 or 4 would be only 1200W, not even enough to equal what a typical
house
uses. And you'd think that some of the cost is fixed, ie putting in
12 isn't going to cost 3 times what it costs to put in 4, so if it's
undersized, the economics is worse.

And he's in scotland which isnt great for solar insulation in winter
or even in summer.

WTF is solar insulation?


The amount of sun falling on the panels.

Rod Speed
Guest

Fri Jun 07, 2019 12:45 am   



"Commander Kinsey" <CFKinsey_at_military.org.jp> wrote in message
news:op.z2ziatlkwdg98l_at_desktop-ga2mpl8.lan...
Quote:
On Thu, 06 Jun 2019 23:08:06 +0100, trader_4 <trader4_at_optonline.net
wrote:

On Thursday, June 6, 2019 at 5:53:05 PM UTC-4, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Thu, 06 Jun 2019 22:48:40 +0100, Andy Burns <usenet_at_andyburns.uk
wrote:

Commander Kinsey wrote:

Andy Burns wrote:

Very little incentive to have any at all now that the
feed-in/bribery
tariff has ended.

That's what I would have thought, but these houses are only a couple
of
years old.

FIT ended (for new installs) 31st March 2019.

I wasn't aware it was a different date for new installs. I tried to get
some on my existing house 5 years ago and just missed it.

However, if the bribery had ended, why did they install any at all? Is
there some silly regulation saying they have to have a small number?

And these houses would have been completed before 31st March 2019.

You don't even say where this is. The rebates, tax incentives, payments
for electric you generate, vary widely, state by state.

Sorry I thought you knew I lived in the UK.

I agree though that a small number doesn't make sense, assuming it's not
enough to cover the energy usage of the house.

Irrelevant, you can always make more and it just goes into the grid.


But when you are paid fuck all for what goes into the grid
it makes no sense to be paying a lot more for the panels.

Quote:
Which again gets to where it's located. If it's FL and they need heavy
AC it's going to be higher energy needed than someplace more moderate.

Irrelevant, you can always make more and it just goes into the grid.


But when you are paid fuck all for what goes into the grid
it makes no sense to be paying a lot more for the panels.

Rod Speed
Guest

Fri Jun 07, 2019 12:45 am   



"Commander Kinsey" <CFKinsey_at_military.org.jp> wrote in message
news:op.z2zh8yb8wdg98l_at_desktop-ga2mpl8.lan...
Quote:
On Thu, 06 Jun 2019 23:03:17 +0100, Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa_at_gmail.com
wrote:



"Commander Kinsey" <CFKinsey_at_military.org.jp> wrote in message
news:op.z2zge2ejwdg98l_at_desktop-ga2mpl8.lan...
On Thu, 06 Jun 2019 22:48:40 +0100, Andy Burns <usenet_at_andyburns.uk
wrote:

Commander Kinsey wrote:

Andy Burns wrote:

Very little incentive to have any at all now that the feed-in/bribery
tariff has ended.

That's what I would have thought, but these houses are only a couple
of
years old.

FIT ended (for new installs) 31st March 2019.

I wasn't aware it was a different date for new installs. I tried to get
some on my existing house 5 years ago and just missed it.

However, if the bribery had ended, why did they install any at all?

Likely because it can still be worth doing without the bribe

If it's worth installing a few, why isn't it worth installing the full
roof area?


Because when you are buying a new house, you normally have
a problem getting someone to lend you that much money and
even if you can do that, you still have to pay for it eventually.

And when you no longer get bribed to have solar
panels, there is no point in being able to generate
more than you can actually use yourself.

It isnt even worth sizing the panels so they will always
be able to generate what you use yourself in the worst
weather with fuck all solar insulation available, it makes
makes more sense to buy from the grid in those conditions.

Quote:
Is there some silly regulation saying they have to have a small number?

And these houses would have been completed before 31st March 2019.


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