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Rod Speed
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Fri Jun 07, 2019 12:45 am   



"Commander Kinsey" <CFKinsey_at_military.org.jp> wrote in message
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Quote:
On Thu, 06 Jun 2019 22:59:47 +0100, trader_4 <trader4_at_optonline.net
wrote:

On Thursday, June 6, 2019 at 5:45:33 PM UTC-4, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Thu, 06 Jun 2019 22:25:56 +0100, Andy Burns <usenet_at_andyburns.uk
wrote:

Commander Kinsey wrote:

I noticed some new houses being built, all with environmental shit,
like
solar panels, water reclamation from gutters etc. But why do they
have
only 3 or 4 panels when the roof could hold about 12?

Very little incentive to have any at all now that the feed-in/bribery
tariff has ended.

That's what I would have thought, but these houses are only a couple of
years old. None I could understand, loads I could understand, but not a
few on each roof.

One factor could be that the output per panel has gone up over
time. They were ~200W a decade ago, new ones are ~300W. But still
3 or 4 would be only 1200W, not even enough to equal what a typical house
uses. And you'd think that some of the cost is fixed, ie putting in
12 isn't going to cost 3 times what it costs to put in 4, so if it's
undersized, the economics is worse.

Agreed - you might aswell make as much use of the roof space as you can.


Problem is the cost of that.

> And so what if you generate more than the house uses?

You've obviously wasted your money.

Quote:
There are houses that don't generate anything. And once we all use
electric cars, we'll need a hell of a lot more.


But it makes a lot more sense to use nukes for that.

Quote:
It also seems damn stupid to build an estate of 50 houses and put 1.2kW on
each roof, instead of 2.4kW on half the roofs, with a much lower
installation cost.


But that approach isnt viable. No one is going to
pay for the cost of doing it on someone else's roof.

Peeler
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Fri Jun 07, 2019 12:45 am   



On Fri, 7 Jun 2019 08:01:26 +1000, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:

<FLUSH the two clinically insane nutter's latest bullshit>


--
Another typical retarded "conversation" between Birdbrain and senile Rodent:

Senile Rodent: " Did you ever dig a hole to bury your own shit?"

Birdbrain: "I do if there's no flush toilet around."

Senile Rodent: "Yeah, I prefer camping like that, off by myself with
no dunnys around and have always buried the shit."

MID: <fv66kaFml0nU2_at_mid.individual.net>

Peeler
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Fri Jun 07, 2019 12:45 am   



On Fri, 7 Jun 2019 08:03:17 +1000, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:


Quote:

Likely because it can still be worth doing without the bribe


What are you two clinically insane idiots now quarrelling about again? <BG>

--
dennis_at_home to retarded senile Rot:
"sod off rod you don't have a clue about anything."
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Peeler
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Fri Jun 07, 2019 12:45 am   



On Fri, 7 Jun 2019 09:03:59 +1000, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:

<FLUSH the two prize idiots' latest idiotic drivel unread>

--
Another typical retarded conversation between our two village idiots,
Birdbrain and Rodent Speed:

Birdbrain: "You beat me to it. Plain sex is boring."

Senile Rodent: "Then fuck the cats. That wont be boring."

Birdbrain: "Sell me a de-clawing tool first."

Senile Rodent: "Wont help with the teeth."

Birdbrain: "They've never gone for me with their mouths."

Rodent Speed: "They will if you are stupid enough to try fucking them."

Birdbrain: "No, they always use claws."

Rodent Speed: "They wont if you try fucking them. Try it and see."

Message-ID: <g3cjf7FavtgU1_at_mid.individual.net>

Peeler
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Fri Jun 07, 2019 12:45 am   



On Fri, 7 Jun 2019 09:05:52 +1000, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:

<FLUSH trollshit>

....and much better air in here again!

--
Richard addressing Rot Speed:
"Shit you're thick/pathetic excuse for a troll."
MID: <ogoa38$pul$1_at_news.mixmin.net>

Peeler
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Fri Jun 07, 2019 12:45 am   



On Fri, 7 Jun 2019 09:09:24 +1000, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:

<FLUSH the two clinically insane prize idiots' latest bullshit>

....and nothing's left!

--
Another typical retarded "conversation" between the two resident idiots:

Birdbrain: "But imagine how cool it was to own slaves."

Senile Rodent: "Yeah, right. Feed them, clothe them, and fix them when
they're broken.
After all, you paid good money for them. Then you've got to keep an eye
on them all the time."

Birdbrain: "Better than having to give them wages on top of that."

Senile Rodent: "Specially when they make more slaves for you
and produce their own food and clothes."

MID: <fvlcdcFq2icU1_at_mid.individual.net>

Peeler
Guest

Fri Jun 07, 2019 12:45 am   



On Fri, 7 Jun 2019 08:57:41 +1000, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:

> Problem is the cost of that.

The one problem here is that BOTH of you are clinically insane idiots and
attention whores!

--
Typical retarded "conversation" between the Scottish wanker and the senile
Ozzietard:

Birdbrain: "Horse shit doesn't stink."

Senile Rodent: "It does if you roll in it."

Birdbrain: "I've never worked out why, I assumed it was maybe meateaters
that made stinky shit, but then why does vegetarian human shit stink? Is it
just the fact that we're capable of digesting meat?"

Senile Rodent: "Nope, some cow shit stinks too."

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Commander Kinsey
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Fri Jun 07, 2019 12:45 am   



On Thu, 06 Jun 2019 23:57:41 +0100, Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa_at_gmail.com> wrote:

Quote:


"Commander Kinsey" <CFKinsey_at_military.org.jp> wrote in message
news:op.z2zgydx2wdg98l_at_desktop-ga2mpl8.lan...
On Thu, 06 Jun 2019 22:59:47 +0100, trader_4 <trader4_at_optonline.net
wrote:

On Thursday, June 6, 2019 at 5:45:33 PM UTC-4, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Thu, 06 Jun 2019 22:25:56 +0100, Andy Burns <usenet_at_andyburns.uk
wrote:

Commander Kinsey wrote:

I noticed some new houses being built, all with environmental shit,
like
solar panels, water reclamation from gutters etc. But why do they
have
only 3 or 4 panels when the roof could hold about 12?

Very little incentive to have any at all now that the feed-in/bribery
tariff has ended.

That's what I would have thought, but these houses are only a couple of
years old. None I could understand, loads I could understand, but not a
few on each roof.

One factor could be that the output per panel has gone up over
time. They were ~200W a decade ago, new ones are ~300W. But still
3 or 4 would be only 1200W, not even enough to equal what a typical house
uses. And you'd think that some of the cost is fixed, ie putting in
12 isn't going to cost 3 times what it costs to put in 4, so if it's
undersized, the economics is worse.

Agreed - you might aswell make as much use of the roof space as you can.

Problem is the cost of that.


If it costs more to install them than you gain, why put any in at all?

Quote:
And so what if you generate more than the house uses?

You've obviously wasted your money.


The national grid buys it.

Quote:
There are houses that don't generate anything. And once we all use
electric cars, we'll need a hell of a lot more.

But it makes a lot more sense to use nukes for that.


Then why have solar at all?

Quote:
It also seems damn stupid to build an estate of 50 houses and put 1.2kW on
each roof, instead of 2.4kW on half the roofs, with a much lower
installation cost.

But that approach isnt viable. No one is going to
pay for the cost of doing it on someone else's roof.


Some folk want solar because they're "green" or think they can make money out of it, some won't want it at all. Makes sense to have some houses each way.

Peeler
Guest

Fri Jun 07, 2019 12:45 am   



On Fri, 7 Jun 2019 09:06:36 +1000, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:

<FLUSH another load of the two clinically insane idiots' usual bullshit>

....and nothing's left, again!


--
TYPICAL retarded "conversation" between sociopath Rodent and sociopath
Birdbrain from August 26th:

Birdbrain: "I have one head but 5 fingers."

Senile Rodent: "Obvious lie. You hairy legged cross dressers are so inbred
that you all have two heads."

Birdbrain: "You're the one that likes hairy legs remember?"

Senile Rodent: "The problem isnt the hairy legs, it's the gross inbreeding
that
produces two headed unemployables like you."

Birdbrain: "So why did you mention hairy legs?"

Senile Rodent: "Because that's what those who arent actually stupid enough
to shave their legs have."

Birdbrain: "You only have hairy legs if both of the following are true:
1) You're quite far back on the evolutionary scale.
2) You haven't learned what a razor is for."

Senile Rodent: "Only a terminal fuckwit or a woman shaves their legs."

Birdbrain: "There is literally zero point in having hair all over your
body."

Senile Rodent: "There is even less point in wasting your time changing what
you are born with."

MID: <fugfg5Fu49kU1_at_mid.individual.net>

Commander Kinsey
Guest

Fri Jun 07, 2019 12:45 am   



On Thu, 06 Jun 2019 23:58:46 +0100, Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa_at_gmail.com> wrote:

Quote:


"trader_4" <trader4_at_optonline.net> wrote in message
news:3f1415e7-adbe-408e-9e62-f7066e7b9227_at_googlegroups.com...
On Thursday, June 6, 2019 at 5:53:05 PM UTC-4, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Thu, 06 Jun 2019 22:48:40 +0100, Andy Burns <usenet_at_andyburns.uk
wrote:

Commander Kinsey wrote:

Andy Burns wrote:

Very little incentive to have any at all now that the feed-in/bribery
tariff has ended.

That's what I would have thought, but these houses are only a couple
of
years old.

FIT ended (for new installs) 31st March 2019.

I wasn't aware it was a different date for new installs. I tried to get
some on my existing house 5 years ago and just missed it.

However, if the bribery had ended, why did they install any at all? Is
there some silly regulation saying they have to have a small number?

And these houses would have been completed before 31st March 2019.

You don't even say where this is. The rebates, tax incentives,
payments for electric you generate, vary widely, state by state.

He isnt even in the USA.


You'd think he'd remember that.

Rod Speed
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Fri Jun 07, 2019 12:45 am   



"Commander Kinsey" <CFKinsey_at_military.org.jp> wrote in message
news:op.z2zie8cgwdg98l_at_desktop-ga2mpl8.lan...
Quote:
On Thu, 06 Jun 2019 23:12:31 +0100, trader_4 <trader4_at_optonline.net
wrote:

On Thursday, June 6, 2019 at 6:04:40 PM UTC-4, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Thu, 06 Jun 2019 22:59:47 +0100, trader_4 <trader4_at_optonline.net
wrote:

On Thursday, June 6, 2019 at 5:45:33 PM UTC-4, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Thu, 06 Jun 2019 22:25:56 +0100, Andy Burns <usenet_at_andyburns.uk
wrote:

Commander Kinsey wrote:

I noticed some new houses being built, all with environmental
shit, like
solar panels, water reclamation from gutters etc. But why do they
have
only 3 or 4 panels when the roof could hold about 12?

Very little incentive to have any at all now that the
feed-in/bribery
tariff has ended.

That's what I would have thought, but these houses are only a couple
of years old. None I could understand, loads I could understand, but
not a few on each roof.

One factor could be that the output per panel has gone up over
time. They were ~200W a decade ago, new ones are ~300W. But still
3 or 4 would be only 1200W, not even enough to equal what a typical
house
uses. And you'd think that some of the cost is fixed, ie putting in
12 isn't going to cost 3 times what it costs to put in 4, so if it's
undersized, the economics is worse.

Agreed - you might aswell make as much use of the roof space as you can.
And so what if you generate more than the house uses? There are houses
that don't generate anything. And once we all use electric cars, we'll
need a hell of a lot more.

I think in the above you're assuming that you get paid a decent rate on
the excess, which may not be true. You may only get wholesale rate,
which makes it economically unviable.

Surely you'll make at least roughly what you save by making your own for
what you use?


Nope, the electricity supplier doesn't pay you anything
like what you pay them for the electricity.

Quote:
It also seems damn stupid to build an estate of 50 houses and put 1.2kW
on each roof, instead of 2.4kW on half the roofs, with a much lower
installation cost.

And do what with the owners? One owner produces the power, is subject
to the costs and benefits, the other is just another power system
customer.

Different people might want it or not.


But the owner of the house with the panels on it may
well not be able to afford the double panel installation.

Quote:
They do have large solar arrays that are on businesses
or just on acres of land, generating power for the grid.

Yes I know someone who did that on his farm, filling an entire field, but
it was only economically viable because of a subsidy.


Rod Speed
Guest

Fri Jun 07, 2019 1:43 am   



"Commander Kinsey" <CFKinsey_at_military.org.jp> wrote in message
news:op.z2zkuibgwdg98l_at_desktop-ga2mpl8.lan...
Quote:
On Thu, 06 Jun 2019 23:57:41 +0100, Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa_at_gmail.com
wrote:



"Commander Kinsey" <CFKinsey_at_military.org.jp> wrote in message
news:op.z2zgydx2wdg98l_at_desktop-ga2mpl8.lan...
On Thu, 06 Jun 2019 22:59:47 +0100, trader_4 <trader4_at_optonline.net
wrote:

On Thursday, June 6, 2019 at 5:45:33 PM UTC-4, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Thu, 06 Jun 2019 22:25:56 +0100, Andy Burns <usenet_at_andyburns.uk
wrote:

Commander Kinsey wrote:

I noticed some new houses being built, all with environmental shit,
like
solar panels, water reclamation from gutters etc. But why do they
have
only 3 or 4 panels when the roof could hold about 12?

Very little incentive to have any at all now that the
feed-in/bribery
tariff has ended.

That's what I would have thought, but these houses are only a couple
of
years old. None I could understand, loads I could understand, but not
a
few on each roof.

One factor could be that the output per panel has gone up over
time. They were ~200W a decade ago, new ones are ~300W. But still
3 or 4 would be only 1200W, not even enough to equal what a typical
house
uses. And you'd think that some of the cost is fixed, ie putting in
12 isn't going to cost 3 times what it costs to put in 4, so if it's
undersized, the economics is worse.

Agreed - you might aswell make as much use of the roof space as you can.

Problem is the cost of that.

If it costs more to install them than you gain,


It likely didn't at the time they did it, before the bribe stopped.

> why put any in at all?

Indeed.

Quote:
And so what if you generate more than the house uses?

You've obviously wasted your money.

The national grid buys it.


But pays fuck all for it once the bribe is gone.

Quote:
There are houses that don't generate anything. And once we all use
electric cars, we'll need a hell of a lot more.

But it makes a lot more sense to use nukes for that.

Then why have solar at all?


Because they are too stupid to do what makes sense.

But also the house owner can do solar panels, but not a personal nuke.

Quote:
It also seems damn stupid to build an estate of 50 houses and put 1.2kW
on each roof, instead of 2.4kW on half the roofs, with a much lower
installation cost.

But that approach isnt viable. No one is going to
pay for the cost of doing it on someone else's roof.

Some folk want solar because they're "green"


Yep, some are that stupid but that's unlikely to be the
reason all those houses have solar panels unless some
fool greeny is the designer/builder of those houses.

> or think they can make money out of it,

They could before the bribes stopped.

> some won't want it at all. Makes sense to have some houses each way.

Clearly that operation chose not to do it that way.

Sam with the rain water catchments.

Peeler
Guest

Fri Jun 07, 2019 1:45 am   



On Fri, 7 Jun 2019 09:43:57 +1000, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:


> Yep, some are that stupid

There are hardly any people as stupid as you two clinically insane prize
idiots!

--
Another typical retarded conversation between our two village idiots,
Birdbrain and Rodent Speed:

Birdbrain: "You beat me to it. Plain sex is boring."

Senile Rodent: "Then fuck the cats. That wont be boring."

Birdbrain: "Sell me a de-clawing tool first."

Senile Rodent: "Wont help with the teeth."

Birdbrain: "They've never gone for me with their mouths."

Rodent Speed: "They will if you are stupid enough to try fucking them."

Birdbrain: "No, they always use claws."

Rodent Speed: "They wont if you try fucking them. Try it and see."

Message-ID: <g3cjf7FavtgU1_at_mid.individual.net>

micky
Guest

Fri Jun 07, 2019 1:45 am   



In alt.home.repair, on Thu, 06 Jun 2019 22:45:45 +0100, "Commander
Kinsey" <CFKinsey_at_military.org.jp> wrote:

Quote:
On Thu, 06 Jun 2019 22:25:56 +0100, Andy Burns <usenet_at_andyburns.uk> wrote:

Commander Kinsey wrote:

I noticed some new houses being built, all with environmental shit, like
solar panels, water reclamation from gutters etc. But why do they have
only 3 or 4 panels when the roof could hold about 12?

Very little incentive to have any at all now that the feed-in/bribery
tariff has ended.

That's what I would have thought, but these houses are only a couple of years old. None I could understand, loads I could understand, but not a few on each roof.


I would wait until I saw someone working in the yard, and I'd ask him.

If I never saw anyone, I'd ring the doorbell and ask.

If you do these things nicely, people are happy to talk.

Peeler
Guest

Fri Jun 07, 2019 1:45 am   



On Thu, 06 Jun 2019 19:53:04 -0400, micky, another mentally challenged,
troll-feeding, senile idiot, blathered:


Quote:
I would wait until I saw someone working in the yard, and I'd ask him.

If I never saw anyone, I'd ring the doorbell and ask.

If you do these things nicely, people are happy to talk.


Yeah, senile idiot, just like when he asks retarded questions, you senile
idiots will THANKFULLY run along and feed him! <BG>

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