US imperialists and torque drivers

On Fri, 03 Feb 2012 13:39:06 +0000, Pomegranate Bastard
pommyB_at_dsl.pipex.com> wrote:


Who uses the term "moment of torque"?

That is what it is, idiot.

On Thu, 2 Feb 2012 05:13:23 -0800 (PST), "langwadt_at_fonz.dk"
langwadt_at_fonz.dk> wrote:


torque does not imply motion it is just force at the end of an arm, it
doesn't have to move
for it to be energy something has to move

-Lasse

You are correct. It does not have to move and will not if the point to
which the force is applied is fixed. Many times they are not, but there
are times when motion is a factor for the distance of a small measure. A
force transducer moves a certain amount, then stops, based on the force
placed against its "platen". That movement could be in the form of mere
microns in distance, but there was movement, and a greater force imposes
a larger movement over the operating range of the transducer. It
defines it, in fact, which is why one acquires the "size" one needs for
the task being performed.

Force transducers oriented to be used as weight scales are ratioed (is
that a term?) by way of an arm, a fixed fulcrum, and a pressure point
along the length of the arm. The location of the pressure point
determines the ratio of the pressure applied to the force transducer.
Yep. At the "moment" of measurement nothing is moving.

Even on a rotating shaft, the "measure" is an instantaneous value as if
the shaft (or fulcrum) was/were fixed. This is why it is called a
"moment of torque". It is like having the meter attached to it while it
spins. Of course the shaft diameter can be the entire torque arm, or
there can be a physical arm, or tooth, or other protrusion. The
calibrated devices and agreed upon science and industry terminology
gives us references we can become "familiar with" firsthand and have "a
feel for".

Folks who have actually sheared the thread off various threaded holes
or nuts base materials have a more intimate knowledge of where "torque"
plays into fastener topics.

Things move as torque interplays with what it is applied against
usually.

The other use of the term seems archaic (likely) (do we not use joules?)
and seems to point at acceleration rate or force of acceleration or such.

On Thu, 02 Feb 2012 17:47:02 -0800, FigureItOut
LocusPocus_at_magicregion.org> wrote:

On Thu, 02 Feb 2012 11:10:57 -0800, John Larkin
jlarkin_at_highlandtechnology.com> wrote:

Word salad.

Your constant use of this pathetic insult word is one of the most
retarded behaviors you exhibit, boy.

Torque is not work,

Applied torque, dumbfuck. That is why it is referred to as a "moment
of torque". You cannot take the reading unless the force is being
applied and you cannot achieve the measured value unless work was done,
and

Who uses the term "moment of torque"? Perhaps you meant to say "moment
of a force" The terms "moment" and "torque" are often used
interchangeably.

What has " taking a reading" to do with anything? It's typical of you
to create a smokescreen whenever you realise you are wrong, which is
always, AlwaysWrong.

and force is not work.

Applied force is, idiot.

What precisely do you mean by "applied force"? How can work be done if
there is no movement involved?


Torque applied
over an angular rotation, or force applied over a distance, is work.

I do not need a primer from an insulting, retarded bastard like you,
fuckhead.

Oh dear Nymbecile! You certainly need a lot more than a primer.

You really are the most ill informed bleeder I have had the misfortune
to communicate with.

He was just having one of his "moments of stupidity".


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Precision electronic instrumentation
Picosecond-resolution Digital Delay and Pulse generators
Custom laser controllers
Photonics and fiberoptic TTL data links
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On Fri, 03 Feb 2012 05:50:01 -0800, FigureItOut
LocusPocus_at_magicregion.org> wrote:

On Fri, 03 Feb 2012 13:39:06 +0000, Pomegranate Bastard
pommyB_at_dsl.pipex.com> wrote:


Who uses the term "moment of torque"?

That is what it is, idiot.

Some evidence of who else uses it would be welcome, Nymbecile. I
suspect is your own invention.

On Fri, 03 Feb 2012 10:44:10 -0800, John Larkin
jlarkin_at_highlandtechnology.com> wrote:

He was just having one of his "moments of stupidity".


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John Larkin, President
Highland Technology, Inc

jlarkin at highlandtechnology dot com
http://www.highlandtechnology.com

Precision electronic instrumentation
Picosecond-resolution Digital Delay and Pulse generators
Custom laser controllers
Photonics and fiberoptic TTL data links
VME thermocouple, LVDT, synchro acquisition and simulation

Maybe I should come up there and have a moment of gene pool cleansing.

On Fri, 03 Feb 2012 17:41:44 -0800, DarkMatter
DarkMatter_at_thebarattheendoftheuniverse.org> wrote:

On Fri, 03 Feb 2012 10:44:10 -0800, John Larkin
jlarkin_at_highlandtechnology.com> wrote:

He was just having one of his "moments of stupidity".


**********************************

John Larkin, President
Highland Technology, Inc

jlarkin at highlandtechnology dot com
http://www.highlandtechnology.com

Precision electronic instrumentation
Picosecond-resolution Digital Delay and Pulse generators
Custom laser controllers
Photonics and fiberoptic TTL data links
VME thermocouple, LVDT, synchro acquisition and simulation

Maybe I should come up there and have a moment of gene pool cleansing.

Hey, DampMatter, if you plan to assault someone, you're an idiot to
pre-announce it in public. "Lying in wait" gets you an extended
sentence.

On Fri, 03 Feb 2012 18:10:29 -0800, John Larkin
jlarkin_at_highlandtechnology.com> wrote:

On Fri, 03 Feb 2012 17:41:44 -0800, DarkMatter
DarkMatter_at_thebarattheendoftheuniverse.org> wrote:

On Fri, 03 Feb 2012 10:44:10 -0800, John Larkin
jlarkin_at_highlandtechnology.com> wrote:

He was just having one of his "moments of stupidity".


**********************************

John Larkin, President
Highland Technology, Inc

jlarkin at highlandtechnology dot com
http://www.highlandtechnology.com

Precision electronic instrumentation
Picosecond-resolution Digital Delay and Pulse generators
Custom laser controllers
Photonics and fiberoptic TTL data links
VME thermocouple, LVDT, synchro acquisition and simulation

Maybe I should come up there and have a moment of gene pool cleansing.

Hey, DampMatter, if you plan to assault someone, you're an idiot to
pre-announce it in public. "Lying in wait" gets you an extended
sentence.


If you are stupid enough to think that you could succeed in a
prosecution based on a remark about pool cleaning, I think you should
waste enormous amounts of your personal time and money chasing that
monkey, boy. Somebody deserves that cash more than someone as dumb as
you anyway.

On Fri, 03 Feb 2012 19:08:20 -0800, DarkMatter
DarkMatter_at_thebarattheendoftheuniverse.org> wrote:

On Fri, 03 Feb 2012 18:10:29 -0800, John Larkin
jlarkin_at_highlandtechnology.com> wrote:

On Fri, 03 Feb 2012 17:41:44 -0800, DarkMatter
DarkMatter_at_thebarattheendoftheuniverse.org> wrote:

On Fri, 03 Feb 2012 10:44:10 -0800, John Larkin
jlarkin_at_highlandtechnology.com> wrote:

He was just having one of his "moments of stupidity".


**********************************

John Larkin, President
Highland Technology, Inc

jlarkin at highlandtechnology dot com
http://www.highlandtechnology.com

Precision electronic instrumentation
Picosecond-resolution Digital Delay and Pulse generators
Custom laser controllers
Photonics and fiberoptic TTL data links
VME thermocouple, LVDT, synchro acquisition and simulation

Maybe I should come up there and have a moment of gene pool cleansing.

Hey, DampMatter, if you plan to assault someone, you're an idiot to
pre-announce it in public. "Lying in wait" gets you an extended
sentence.


If you are stupid enough to think that you could succeed in a
prosecution based on a remark about pool cleaning, I think you should
waste enormous amounts of your personal time and money chasing that
monkey, boy. Somebody deserves that cash more than someone as dumb as
you anyway.

If you have threatened to assault me, but now say you won't do it,
you're a wuss and an idiot.

If you have threatened to assault me, and intend to do it, you are
equally an idiot.

On Tue, 31 Jan 2012 19:18:58 -0600, John Fields
jfields_at_austininstruments.com> wrote:

On Tue, 31 Jan 2012 12:48:36 -0800, John Larkin
jlarkin_at_highlandtechnology.com> wrote:

On Tue, 31 Jan 2012 22:45:01 +0200, Tauno Voipio
tauno.voipio_at_notused.fi.invalid> wrote:

On 31.1.12 9:04 , Joerg wrote:
John Fields wrote:
On Tue, 31 Jan 2012 07:19:24 -0800, John Larkin
jjlarkin_at_highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:

On Tue, 31 Jan 2012 09:40:59 +0000, Raveninghorde
raveninghorde_at_invalid> wrote:

I need to advise a US customer of the correct torque setting for some
4mm screws. I need to know the normal units Americans would use on
their torque drivers. Ounce inches? Pound inches? The SI setting is
0.9kgf.cm.
kgf? cm? The SI units are newtons and meters!

---
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_System_of_Units


So what's kgf?

Kilogram force - the force of the weight of a kilogram,
about 10 Newtons. It was also called a kilopond.

Hey, we knew that.

---
Then why ask?

I suppose Joerg was tweaking you.

Hardly, you were questioning Raveninghorde. Pretender.

On Tue, 31 Jan 2012 17:26:42 -0800, John Larkin
jlarkin_at_highlandtechnology.com> wrote:

On Tue, 31 Jan 2012 19:18:58 -0600, John Fields
jfields_at_austininstruments.com> wrote:

On Tue, 31 Jan 2012 12:48:36 -0800, John Larkin
jlarkin_at_highlandtechnology.com> wrote:

On Tue, 31 Jan 2012 22:45:01 +0200, Tauno Voipio
tauno.voipio_at_notused.fi.invalid> wrote:

On 31.1.12 9:04 , Joerg wrote:
John Fields wrote:
On Tue, 31 Jan 2012 07:19:24 -0800, John Larkin
jjlarkin_at_highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:

On Tue, 31 Jan 2012 09:40:59 +0000, Raveninghorde
raveninghorde_at_invalid> wrote:

I need to advise a US customer of the correct torque setting for some
4mm screws. I need to know the normal units Americans would use on
their torque drivers. Ounce inches? Pound inches? The SI setting is
0.9kgf.cm.
kgf? cm? The SI units are newtons and meters!

---
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_System_of_Units


So what's kgf?

Look here John Larkin.



Kilogram force - the force of the weight of a kilogram,
about 10 Newtons. It was also called a kilopond.

Hey, we knew that.

---
Then why ask?

I suppose Joerg was tweaking you.

Hardly, you were questioning Raveninghorde. Pretender.

?-)

Hardly, you were questioning Raveninghorde. Pretender.

?-)

Phil Hobbs wrote on 3/02/2012 :
John G wrote:

Fred Abse laid this down on his screen :
On Wed, 01 Feb 2012 05:45:57 -0700, Jim Thompson wrote:

I thought bar supplies were measured in ounces or liters ;-)

Nah! Gallons.

And good for the Imperial drunks, an imperial gallon is bigger than a
US gallon. :-?

--
John G


Imperial gallons make much more sense--one gallon of water weighs 10
lbs. The ounces aren't the same size, so although the conversion factor
looks like it should be 160/128 = 5/4, it's really very close to 6/5.

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

Being in a more remote colony I rarely if ever need to worry about
converting gallons, and any way we have converted almost properly to SI
metric.
A few things will never change I guess.
Auto wheels are measured in inches diametre but millimeters in tyre
width.
Lots of BSW nuts and bolts in inches and in some (Bunnings Like Home
Depot) come in packets marked in fractions of inch dia. and millimeters
length.
Altimeters are still in feet I believe so that flight seperation levels
are one revolution of the big hand (1000 feet).

On Tue, 31 Jan 2012 15:24:07 -0800, Joerg wrote:

Why does all this metric stuff keep on changing and changing? Why can't
they just keep a unit? IIRC the metric unit of pressure has had at least
three designators over the last 50 years. Atmospheres, bars, pascals,
whetever. You might not like the imperial units but a PSI has been a PSI
pretty much since the pilgrims came over.

But is it PSIA, or PSIG?

When I started out, we had to deal with both US units, and metric. Metric
was CGS. Then came MKS, followed by "rationalized" MKS, then SI.

Anyone for slugs?

currently re-reading "The First World War: A Complete History" by
Martin Gilbert. Good book, terrible war.


Yup. My mum's dad, Murdo Nicolson, joined up on the first day of the
war and spent over 3 years on the Western Front with the Royal Winnipeg
Rifles. He was in almost all of the major Canadian battles--St. Julien,
the Somme, Passchendaele, Vimy Ridge, and so on, and by the end was one
of only about 50 left from the original complement of 1000 or so men in
his battalion. Here's a story about him that I ran across in a book:
http://tinyurl.com/86tq4fk . I know it was he, because it's the right
battalion, and the author uses his first name elsewhere.
(He calls him "Murdoch Nicholson", which is close but not quite right.)

He lived to be 87, so I knew him pretty well. He almost never talked
about the war.

Cheers

Phil Hobbs