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Bill Sloman
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Wed May 06, 2020 1:45 am   



On Wednesday, May 6, 2020 at 3:16:36 AM UTC+10, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
Quote:
On Tue, 5 May 2020 12:02:51 -0400, bitrex <user_at_example.net> wrote:

On 5/5/2020 11:54 AM, bitrex wrote:
On 5/5/2020 11:28 AM, bloggs.fredbloggs.fred_at_gmail.com wrote:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3rE-v0nnbHk&list=LLkBcHzChtY1WzDgmGGnz-1g&index=3&t=0s


The scariest part is he's going to get Biden elected.


Americans can forgive evil, Americans don't forgive weakness. Trump
can't make America back to normal quickly no matter what he does.

He can show that he knows how to be callous and shrug in the face of
statistics about fatalities - it at least shows he's not "a pussy" which
is what Americans in general would prefer in a leader.

Just a few tens of thousands of dead sickly and old people that only
weak pussies would care about.

That is to say, under the right circumstances I think you might be
surprised how well informing Americans their lives aren't worth very
much plays among Americans at the polls

Some Americans are willing to take risks. People scuba dive, climb
rocks, bicycle in traffic, eat junk food.


Some of those people are making a reasoned choice - not all that many of them. Most of them are contenders for a Darwin award.

> Some are terrified.

That's the other extreme. The bulk of the population sits in the middle - around the peak of the bell curve. They will take some risk when it pays off well enough to justify the risk.

> I know people who are too afraid to drive on a freeway.

Freeways are actually the safest roads to drive on, in terms of deaths per passenger mile. You can cover a lot of passenger miles quickly on a freeway where the traffic is light enough to run freely, so exploiting them can increase the passenger miles you accumulate.

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Flyguy
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Wed May 06, 2020 1:45 am   



On Tuesday, May 5, 2020 at 8:54:08 AM UTC-7, bitrex wrote:
Quote:
On 5/5/2020 11:28 AM, bloggs.fredbloggs.fred_at_gmail.com wrote:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3rE-v0nnbHk&list=LLkBcHzChtY1WzDgmGGnz-1g&index=3&t=0s

The scariest part is he's going to get Biden elected.


Americans can forgive evil, Americans don't forgive weakness. Trump
can't make America back to normal quickly no matter what he does.

He can show that he knows how to be callous and shrug in the face of
statistics about fatalities - it at least shows he's not "a pussy" which
is what Americans in general would prefer in a leader.

Just a few tens of thousands of dead sickly and old people that only
weak pussies would care about.


Ask the governor of NJ what Pres. Trump has done.

Bill Sloman
Guest

Wed May 06, 2020 1:45 am   



On Wednesday, May 6, 2020 at 3:10:33 AM UTC+10, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
Quote:
On Tue, 5 May 2020 08:28:31 -0700 (PDT),
bloggs.fredbloggs.fred_at_gmail.com wrote:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3rE-v0nnbHk&list=LLkBcHzChtY1WzDgmGGnz-1g&index=3&t=0s

The scariest part is he's going to get Biden elected.

Virus predictions are all over the place. 20:1 errors, from Top
Scientists, are common.


20:1 differences aren't unknown. John Larkin doesn't understand what computer modelling is about - you make specific (inevitably over-simplified ) assumptions and see how they play out in your simulation.

One of the more bizarre errors involved is to assume that lock down - on it's own - can reduce the R value for Covid-19 below one. One infected idiot can infect ten more people.

Lock down plus energetic contact tracing plus isolating everybody who might have got infected by anybody who shows up with the infection - which is a lot easier when the population is locked down - can reduce R to about 0.5 or less - which drops the new infection per day rather rapidly.

Contact tracing requires a lot of skilled people. Apparently the UK had contact tracing teams until about 2016, but they got disbanded to save money.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/uk/

The UK new cases per day numbers look very like America's - roughly constant for a month now.

Quote:
The data collection is mostly nonsense too. The case load tracks
testing density, and testing is increasing wildly. Definitions keep
changing.


By nonsense, John Larkin means that he can't make sense of it. The US clearly is doing enough testing - I think they are still getting 17% positive outcomes, Anything over 5% means that you aren't testing enough people. Australia is a 1.6% positive results.

You obviously test more where you expect to find infections, which is why the case load tracks testing density, but it doesn't follow that you'd find all that many more infections if you tested more widely.

> Biden is helping Trump get re-elected.

How? Trump's doing a great job of demonstrating to anybody with any sense that he should never have been elected in the first place, but John Larkin doesn't seem to have much sense.

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John Doe
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Wed May 06, 2020 2:45 am   



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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3rE-v0nnbHk&list=LLkBcHzChtY1WzDgmGGnz-1g&index=3&t=0s

The scariest part is he's going to get Biden elected.



Flyguy
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Wed May 06, 2020 2:45 am   



On Tuesday, May 5, 2020 at 11:43:16 AM UTC-7, bloggs.fre...@gmail.com wrote:
Quote:
On Tuesday, May 5, 2020 at 1:10:33 PM UTC-4, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Tue, 5 May 2020 08:28:31 -0700 (PDT),
bloggs.fredbloggs.fred_at_gmail.com wrote:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3rE-v0nnbHk&list=LLkBcHzChtY1WzDgmGGnz-1g&index=3&t=0s

The scariest part is he's going to get Biden elected.

Virus predictions are all over the place. 20:1 errors, from Top
Scientists, are common.

The data collection is mostly nonsense too. The case load tracks
testing density, and testing is increasing wildly. Definitions keep
changing.

Biden is helping Trump get re-elected.

Listen to this moron if you think ignorance doesn't cross party lines:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1JZ0Ruh89f0

Here's another one shooting his mouth of when unbeknownst to him there were a quarter million carriers in the state:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nUMeKzTfQ9k

Then these jackass politicians with their phony organizational planning is analogous to drawing an electronic schematic using a symbol library only- no real parts, their specifications and detailed interconnections behind the symbols. Of course they don't realize it until they have a disaster on their hands.








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Science teaches us to doubt.

Claude Bernard


It truly is a shame that these assholes have immunity from personal injury lawsuits, let alone criminal incompetence.

Flyguy
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Wed May 06, 2020 2:45 am   



On Tuesday, May 5, 2020 at 9:53:13 AM UTC-7, Ricky C wrote:
Quote:
On Tuesday, May 5, 2020 at 11:28:37 AM UTC-4, bloggs.fre...@gmail.com wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3rE-v0nnbHk&list=LLkBcHzChtY1WzDgmGGnz-1g&index=3&t=0s

The scariest part is he's going to get Biden elected.

I'm a bit concerned about the sexual impropriety claims against Biden. There have been many claims with varying levels of evidence against Trump, Kavanaugh, Thomas and they have all been largely dispersed by various means, mostly due to the inability to actually prove anything since it often comes down to he said, she said. So now claims are being made against Biden with a similar level of support. I'm not sure how to consider these claims of improprieties from nearly 30 years ago since it is nearly impossible to verify the veracity of an event that was not reported and took place so long ago.

Biden is a bit of an odd bird in that he applies his personal sense of appropriateness to public situations like awkward physical contact and kissing women on the top of the head. It would seem he has stopped doing this, but why did no one explain to him it was inappropriate 10 years ago?

So there are the much more important allegations against Biden which need to be addressed, but I'm willing to ignore the issue of his now rectified sense of appropriateness. Let's face it. The current President has lowered the bar of appropriateness bigly.

Trump's changing attitude and responses to the COVID-19 crisis is typical of Trump. Literally everything he does is about himself and how it affects him. He didn't take the disease seriously until he saw the impact it was having on his image. Now his ineffectiveness is becoming a major issue and he continues to treat it as a matter of public relations and/or marketing.. I read he is talking about resuming the COVID briefings. Good for him. Someone give me a bit more rope.

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Sexual assault isn't "inappropriate" - it is ILLEGAL, making Biden a sexual predator, the same as Bill Clinton. Ford had absolutely no corroboration for her claims against Kavanaugh. In fact, all of her friends maintained that Ford had never met Kavanaugh.

bitrex
Guest

Wed May 06, 2020 2:45 am   



On 5/5/2020 6:45 PM, jlarkin_at_highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
Quote:
On Tue, 5 May 2020 14:45:39 -0500, amdx <nojunk_at_knology.net> wrote:

On 5/5/2020 10:54 AM, bitrex wrote:
On 5/5/2020 11:28 AM, bloggs.fredbloggs.fred_at_gmail.com wrote:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3rE-v0nnbHk&list=LLkBcHzChtY1WzDgmGGnz-1g&index=3&t=0s


The scariest part is he's going to get Biden elected.


Americans can forgive evil, Americans don't forgive weakness. Trump
can't make America back to normal quickly no matter what he does.

He can show that he knows how to be callous and shrug in the face of
statistics about fatalities - it at least shows he's not "a pussy" which
is what Americans in general would prefer in a leader.

Just a few tens of thousands of dead sickly and old people that only
weak pussies would care about.

We make financial trade offs every day vs life/death.
Cars have only been around 120 years clearly they aren't needed,
they are just a convenience. 125 million worldwide deaths in car
accidents since 1899.


The obvious tradeoff there is speed limits. Lower speed limits would
save lives *and* save money.

We trade air pollution deaths for progress and items.
Same with ground pollution. I'm sure there are many more examples.

The biggest scandal, to me, is cigarettes. Government rakes in big
taxes on cancer sticks. They kill about 500K people in the USA every
year, and they are for sale, with government blessing, everywhere.
Where is the outrage?


The Left was outraged about it for a long time, yeah. The Left were the
original anti-globalists, too - before it became "cool."

Ayn Rand thought anti-smoking PSAs were a communist plot and died of
lung cancer, and the Bushites were rooting for the cops to kick the
hippies asses back in 1999 when they were protesting the WTO in Seattle,
getting together to figure out how better to sell out the US worker to
China.

Quote:


I'm ready to save trade the lives that will die if we don't start the
economy for those we will lose to Covid 19 if we do.
I'm all for doing it as best we can, I have no problem wearing masks,
some people are idiots and won't comply. People who are compromised
should still Stay in Place. We can limit people count in stores,
businesses can do temperature checks before admittance and distance as
much as possible, but it's time to get the economy moving again.

Mikek

OK, but measuring skin temperature with cheap Chinese IR thermometers
is useless drama.




Ricky C
Guest

Wed May 06, 2020 8:45 am   



On Tuesday, May 5, 2020 at 6:37:46 PM UTC-4, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
Quote:
On Tue, 5 May 2020 12:43:48 -0700 (PDT), edward.ming.lee_at_gmail.com
wrote:

On Tuesday, May 5, 2020 at 12:30:26 PM UTC-7, Ricky C wrote:
On Tuesday, May 5, 2020 at 1:15:13 PM UTC-4, edward...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tuesday, May 5, 2020 at 8:54:08 AM UTC-7, bitrex wrote:
On 5/5/2020 11:28 AM, bloggs.fredbloggs.fred_at_gmail.com wrote:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3rE-v0nnbHk&list=LLkBcHzChtY1WzDgmGGnz-1g&index=3&t=0s

The scariest part is he's going to get Biden elected.


Americans can forgive evil, Americans don't forgive weakness. Trump
can't make America back to normal quickly no matter what he does.

He can show that he knows how to be callous and shrug in the face of
statistics about fatalities - it at least shows he's not "a pussy" which
is what Americans in general would prefer in a leader.

Just a few tens of thousands of dead sickly and old people that only
weak pussies would care about.

Your money or your life?

They decided to keep the money. Anyway, the Fed is backing out of the blanket lock-down and let the states decide. I would go one step further and let the counties decide. SF and LA might need more lock-down, but not the rest of California.

What criteria do you use to decide if shutdowns are needed. What do you include in "shutdown"?

Population density. Outside of SF and LA and some cities, people are few and far apart.

Or democracy. Let every state and region decide for themselves.


What do you think is happening??? That's why Trump has so much heartburn, the state Governors are paying attention to what works best in their states rather than listening to him.

Do you ever listing to the news???

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Ricky C
Guest

Wed May 06, 2020 8:45 am   



On Tuesday, May 5, 2020 at 3:45:41 PM UTC-4, amdx wrote:
Quote:
On 5/5/2020 10:54 AM, bitrex wrote:
On 5/5/2020 11:28 AM, bloggs.fredbloggs.fred_at_gmail.com wrote:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3rE-v0nnbHk&list=LLkBcHzChtY1WzDgmGGnz-1g&index=3&t=0s


The scariest part is he's going to get Biden elected.


Americans can forgive evil, Americans don't forgive weakness. Trump
can't make America back to normal quickly no matter what he does.

He can show that he knows how to be callous and shrug in the face of
statistics about fatalities - it at least shows he's not "a pussy" which
is what Americans in general would prefer in a leader.

Just a few tens of thousands of dead sickly and old people that only
weak pussies would care about.

We make financial trade offs every day vs life/death.
Cars have only been around 120 years clearly they aren't needed,
they are just a convenience. 125 million worldwide deaths in car
accidents since 1899.
We trade air pollution deaths for progress and items.
Same with ground pollution. I'm sure there are many more examples.


Ok, let's base these tradeoffs on numbers just like they do with pollution and in product liability. We have 72,000 deaths from the COVID-19 disease in three months with the daily rate steady at around 2,000 per day average.

How many deaths from the economic repercussions? Do you have even a swag? How can you make a tradeoff without knowing the impact of keeping us in shutdown?

I agree that we are in an untenable situation. But I don't want to give up, I want to double down. We need to find out what is wrong and fix it! Just like we've done before with problems like mass shootings... wait, no, that's not a good example. But you get the idea.


Quote:
I'm ready to save trade the lives that will die if we don't start the
economy for those we will lose to Covid 19 if we do.


Can you trade something that isn't yours? Why don't you volunteer to work at the ER one day a week? Or even as the guy manning the wheel chairs?


Quote:
I'm all for doing it as best we can, I have no problem wearing masks,
some people are idiots and won't comply. People who are compromised
should still Stay in Place. We can limit people count in stores,
businesses can do temperature checks before admittance and distance as
much as possible, but it's time to get the economy moving again.


It won't help to "stay in place" if everyone else is infected because isolation can't be total. The purpose is to lower the infection rate so the disease peters out. In the US most of our counties are not doing a very good job and even those counties people talk about as being "sparse" still have growing infection rates. Obviously even if you don't ride the subway to work, there are enough ways to communicate the disease to others. People living in less populated areas are not in isolation every day. Not every rural county would have put up with Ted Kaczynski.

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Ricky C
Guest

Wed May 06, 2020 8:45 am   



On Tuesday, May 5, 2020 at 6:45:19 PM UTC-4, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
Quote:
On Tue, 5 May 2020 14:45:39 -0500, amdx <nojunk_at_knology.net> wrote:

On 5/5/2020 10:54 AM, bitrex wrote:
On 5/5/2020 11:28 AM, bloggs.fredbloggs.fred_at_gmail.com wrote:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3rE-v0nnbHk&list=LLkBcHzChtY1WzDgmGGnz-1g&index=3&t=0s


The scariest part is he's going to get Biden elected.


Americans can forgive evil, Americans don't forgive weakness. Trump
can't make America back to normal quickly no matter what he does.

He can show that he knows how to be callous and shrug in the face of
statistics about fatalities - it at least shows he's not "a pussy" which
is what Americans in general would prefer in a leader.

Just a few tens of thousands of dead sickly and old people that only
weak pussies would care about.

We make financial trade offs every day vs life/death.
Cars have only been around 120 years clearly they aren't needed,
they are just a convenience. 125 million worldwide deaths in car
accidents since 1899.


The obvious tradeoff there is speed limits. Lower speed limits would
save lives *and* save money.


You must be talking about the 55 speed limits we started in the 70's and stuck with for decades?

The reality was people would speed like crazy. I guess that's why the shut downs are not working, people ignore them too?


Quote:
We trade air pollution deaths for progress and items.
Same with ground pollution. I'm sure there are many more examples.

The biggest scandal, to me, is cigarettes. Government rakes in big
taxes on cancer sticks. They kill about 500K people in the USA every
year, and they are for sale, with government blessing, everywhere.
Where is the outrage?


Lots people would like to see cigarettes banned. But lots of people would like to see guns banned. Neither happens because of the financial interests. Where are the lobbyists for disease? Is that you?


Quote:
I'm ready to save trade the lives that will die if we don't start the
economy for those we will lose to Covid 19 if we do.
I'm all for doing it as best we can, I have no problem wearing masks,
some people are idiots and won't comply. People who are compromised
should still Stay in Place. We can limit people count in stores,
businesses can do temperature checks before admittance and distance as
much as possible, but it's time to get the economy moving again.

Mikek

OK, but measuring skin temperature with cheap Chinese IR thermometers
is useless drama.


More effective than spouting off here.

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bitrex
Guest

Wed May 06, 2020 9:45 am   



On 5/6/2020 4:09 AM, bitrex wrote:
Quote:
On 5/6/2020 2:56 AM, Ricky C wrote:
On Tuesday, May 5, 2020 at 3:45:41 PM UTC-4, amdx wrote:
On 5/5/2020 10:54 AM, bitrex wrote:
On 5/5/2020 11:28 AM, bloggs.fredbloggs.fred_at_gmail.com wrote:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3rE-v0nnbHk&list=LLkBcHzChtY1WzDgmGGnz-1g&index=3&t=0s



The scariest part is he's going to get Biden elected.


Americans can forgive evil, Americans don't forgive weakness. Trump
can't make America back to normal quickly no matter what he does.

He can show that he knows how to be callous and shrug in the face of
statistics about fatalities - it at least shows he's not "a pussy"
which
is what Americans in general would prefer in a leader.

Just a few tens of thousands of dead sickly and old people that only
weak pussies would care about.

   We make financial trade offs every day vs life/death.
Cars have only been around 120 years clearly they aren't needed,
they are just a convenience. 125 million worldwide deaths in car
accidents since 1899.
   We trade air pollution deaths for progress and items.
Same with ground pollution. I'm sure there are many more examples.

Ok, let's base these tradeoffs on numbers just like they do with
pollution and in product liability.  We have 72,000 deaths from the
COVID-19 disease in three months with the daily rate steady at around
2,000 per day average.

How many deaths from the economic repercussions?  Do you have even a
swag?  How can you make a tradeoff without knowing the impact of
keeping us in shutdown?

I agree that we are in an untenable situation.  But I don't want to
give up, I want to double down.  We need to find out what is wrong and
fix it!  Just like we've done before with problems like mass
shootings... wait, no, that's not a good example.  But you get the idea.

Trump is "fixing it" his way, in a week or two he'll declare "Mission
Accomplished!", throw a little party at the WH and whatever Federal
response there was will be fully wound-down and simply refuse to discuss
it or answer questions about it anymore.

The final death toll at the end of the year will probably be pushing a
half-million but the dead tell no tales. What half million. who died.
Never heard of anyone who died. the response was swift and fantastic.
fake news!


Nobody died they're just resting.

<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vZw35VUBdzo>

bitrex
Guest

Wed May 06, 2020 9:45 am   



On 5/6/2020 2:56 AM, Ricky C wrote:
Quote:
On Tuesday, May 5, 2020 at 3:45:41 PM UTC-4, amdx wrote:
On 5/5/2020 10:54 AM, bitrex wrote:
On 5/5/2020 11:28 AM, bloggs.fredbloggs.fred_at_gmail.com wrote:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3rE-v0nnbHk&list=LLkBcHzChtY1WzDgmGGnz-1g&index=3&t=0s


The scariest part is he's going to get Biden elected.


Americans can forgive evil, Americans don't forgive weakness. Trump
can't make America back to normal quickly no matter what he does.

He can show that he knows how to be callous and shrug in the face of
statistics about fatalities - it at least shows he's not "a pussy" which
is what Americans in general would prefer in a leader.

Just a few tens of thousands of dead sickly and old people that only
weak pussies would care about.

We make financial trade offs every day vs life/death.
Cars have only been around 120 years clearly they aren't needed,
they are just a convenience. 125 million worldwide deaths in car
accidents since 1899.
We trade air pollution deaths for progress and items.
Same with ground pollution. I'm sure there are many more examples.

Ok, let's base these tradeoffs on numbers just like they do with pollution and in product liability. We have 72,000 deaths from the COVID-19 disease in three months with the daily rate steady at around 2,000 per day average.

How many deaths from the economic repercussions? Do you have even a swag? How can you make a tradeoff without knowing the impact of keeping us in shutdown?

I agree that we are in an untenable situation. But I don't want to give up, I want to double down. We need to find out what is wrong and fix it! Just like we've done before with problems like mass shootings... wait, no, that's not a good example. But you get the idea.


Trump is "fixing it" his way, in a week or two he'll declare "Mission
Accomplished!", throw a little party at the WH and whatever Federal
response there was will be fully wound-down and simply refuse to discuss
it or answer questions about it anymore.

The final death toll at the end of the year will probably be pushing a
half-million but the dead tell no tales. What half million. who died.
Never heard of anyone who died. the response was swift and fantastic.
fake news!

David Brown
Guest

Wed May 06, 2020 11:45 am   



On 05/05/2020 21:30, Ricky C wrote:
Quote:
On Tuesday, May 5, 2020 at 1:15:13 PM UTC-4, edward...@gmail.com
wrote:
On Tuesday, May 5, 2020 at 8:54:08 AM UTC-7, bitrex wrote:
On 5/5/2020 11:28 AM, bloggs.fredbloggs.fred_at_gmail.com wrote:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3rE-v0nnbHk&list=LLkBcHzChtY1WzDgmGGnz-1g&index=3&t=0s



The scariest part is he's going to get Biden elected.


Americans can forgive evil, Americans don't forgive weakness.
Trump can't make America back to normal quickly no matter what he
does.

He can show that he knows how to be callous and shrug in the face
of statistics about fatalities - it at least shows he's not "a
pussy" which is what Americans in general would prefer in a
leader.

Just a few tens of thousands of dead sickly and old people that
only weak pussies would care about.

Your money or your life?

They decided to keep the money. Anyway, the Fed is backing out of
the blanket lock-down and let the states decide. I would go one
step further and let the counties decide. SF and LA might need
more lock-down, but not the rest of California.

What criteria do you use to decide if shutdowns are needed. What do
you include in "shutdown"?

I have seen very, very few counties outside of very remote areas (and
not universally there) that should be relaxing the restrictions.
People seem to think because we aren't seeing exponential growth that
means things are fine and we can go back to the way things were. The
reality is that in most areas the infection rates are either still
growing or at the peak. Loosening the restrictions is like taking
the cover off the fire before the coals are out.


You are not going to get the fire completely out here, because there are
so many other fires going on around you. You might put it out in one
place, or at least have it under control, and it /will/ spring up again
elsewhere.

Lockdown and restrictions are not an absolute binary choice - fully
closed or fully open.

So what is needed is graduated response, with different levels of
lockdown in different places (whether that be at a country level, state
level, county level, etc., is a complicated matter).

You need the tightest lockdowns in places that are worst hit in order to
minimise the biggest problem - overloading of the health system
(hospital beds, tired out health workers, limits on protection
equipment, etc.). If you have low enough infection rates that you
have dealt with this aspect, your next concern is that the spreading
rates should be lower than 1 - preferably a lot lower. Then you need to
make sure your vulnerable people are as safe as practical.

And you need a /lot/ of testing to keep an eye on things, as well as
contact tracing up and running.

Once you have that (and many places are very far from this), you can
look at loosening restrictions, while being ready to put them in place
again at short notice if there is a significant outbreak.

The big challenge is that the feedback is slow - by the time you know
you have a problem again, you should have re-introduced the lockdown two
weeks ago.


What people in mostly Corona-free areas usually fail to understand is
that a major reason they don't have much Corona is that they are on
lockdown (to some extent at least). People find it very difficult to
appreciate when preventative measures succeed in averting a crisis.
(Such as "Why do we need vaccines against measles? We don't have
measles here".)

But the risks of the disease spreading out of control varies from place
to place - there is no doubt that population density is a big factor.
And thus the balance between the social and economic costs of lockdowns
and risks of the health and life costs of the disease are different from
place to place.

David Brown
Guest

Wed May 06, 2020 11:45 am   



On 06/05/2020 00:37, jlarkin_at_highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
Quote:
On Tue, 5 May 2020 12:43:48 -0700 (PDT), edward.ming.lee_at_gmail.com
wrote:

On Tuesday, May 5, 2020 at 12:30:26 PM UTC-7, Ricky C wrote:
On Tuesday, May 5, 2020 at 1:15:13 PM UTC-4, edward...@gmail.com wrote:


They decided to keep the money. Anyway, the Fed is backing out of the blanket lock-down and let the states decide. I would go one step further and let the counties decide. SF and LA might need more lock-down, but not the rest of California.

What criteria do you use to decide if shutdowns are needed. What do you include in "shutdown"?

Population density. Outside of SF and LA and some cities, people are few and far apart.

Or democracy. Let every state and region decide for themselves.


Democracy is the worst idea. Most people - including most elected
politicians - are basically clueless about this sort of thing. To put
this in electronics terms (so you have a hope of understanding it), you
don't let end-users vote on where to put the resistors on your PCB's or
what values they should take. When dealing with health issues, you put
health experts in charge.

David Brown
Guest

Wed May 06, 2020 12:45 pm   



On 05/05/2020 18:53, Ricky C wrote:
Quote:
On Tuesday, May 5, 2020 at 11:28:37 AM UTC-4, bloggs.fre...@gmail.com wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3rE-v0nnbHk&list=LLkBcHzChtY1WzDgmGGnz-1g&index=3&t=0s

The scariest part is he's going to get Biden elected.

I'm a bit concerned about the sexual impropriety claims against Biden. There have been many claims with varying levels of evidence against Trump, Kavanaugh, Thomas and they have all been largely dispersed by various means, mostly due to the inability to actually prove anything since it often comes down to he said, she said. So now claims are being made against Biden with a similar level of support. I'm not sure how to consider these claims of improprieties from nearly 30 years ago since it is nearly impossible to verify the veracity of an event that was not reported and took place so long ago.

Biden is a bit of an odd bird in that he applies his personal sense of appropriateness to public situations like awkward physical contact and kissing women on the top of the head. It would seem he has stopped doing this, but why did no one explain to him it was inappropriate 10 years ago?

So there are the much more important allegations against Biden which need to be addressed, but I'm willing to ignore the issue of his now rectified sense of appropriateness. Let's face it. The current President has lowered the bar of appropriateness bigly.


Democrats traditionally hold their leaders to a higher moral standard
than Republicans, so Biden will lose some Democrat votes over this
(whether it is true or not, proven or not). And Republicans are very
happy with hypocrisy and will milk this for all they can get (again,
whether it is true or not). This will, I believe, count against him.

Quote:
Trump's changing attitude and responses to the COVID-19 crisis is typical of Trump. Literally everything he does is about himself and how it affects him. He didn't take the disease seriously until he saw the impact it was having on his image. Now his ineffectiveness is becoming a major issue and he continues to treat it as a matter of public relations and/or marketing. I read he is talking about resuming the COVID briefings. Good for him. Someone give me a bit more rope.


He is also talking about disbanding the "Virus task force". I think
Trump feels he is confident that he has found a scapegoat - there have
been enough rumours and conspiracy theories about the Chinese virus lab
that he can now add his weight to it and make it "fact". Since he has
someone to blame, and someone to fight, the virus problem is now
finished in his mind - he can move on to the next stage which is mixing
threats and offers to "do a deal" with China, and then blaming the media
and Democrats for when it doesn't work out. The virus itself, and the
disease killing thousands a day, is now yesterday's fake news.

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