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Jamie M
Guest

Wed Jan 11, 2017 8:30 am   



Hi,

Trump appointed Robert Kennedy to head a commission on vaccine
safety:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4106972/Trump-s-RFK-Jr-railed-against-vaccine-holocaust-charge-new-commission-vaccine-safety.html

RFK is very critical (for good reason) of the vaccine industry and
vaccine adverse health effects.

I think Trump should have appointed Andrew Wakefield to the head of the
CDC, but this commission seems like a positive thing.

cheers,
Jamie


Guest

Wed Jan 11, 2017 8:30 am   



On Wednesday, January 11, 2017 at 2:43:46 PM UTC+11, Jamie M wrote:
Quote:
Hi,

Trump appointed Robert Kennedy to head a commission on vaccine
safety:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4106972/Trump-s-RFK-Jr-railed-against-vaccine-holocaust-charge-new-commission-vaccine-safety.html

RFK is very critical (for good reason) of the vaccine industry and
vaccine adverse health effects.

I think Trump should have appointed Andrew Wakefield to the head of the
CDC, but this commission seems like a positive thing.


Jamie hasn't noticed that this comes from the Daily Mail - Cursitor Doom's favourite source of misinformation.

RFK has a famous name - which will be his main appeal to Trump - and the fact that he shares some of Trump's - and Jamie's - silly ideas about the imagined dangers of vaccination won't hurt.

As positive things go, the fact that the commission isn't actually going to do anything is about as positive as it gets. Trump is rather fond of getting attention for being controversial - which is to say wrong. If he can get the attention he craves without actually doing anything dangerous, I'm all for it.

Putting an egomaniac jerk in charge of a government has to be a bad idea, but with any luck his attention-getting may be confined to empty gestures.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

bitrex
Guest

Wed Jan 11, 2017 8:30 am   



On 01/10/2017 10:43 PM, Jamie M wrote:
Quote:
Hi,

Trump appointed Robert Kennedy to head a commission on vaccine
safety:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4106972/Trump-s-RFK-Jr-railed-against-vaccine-holocaust-charge-new-commission-vaccine-safety.html


RFK is very critical (for good reason) of the vaccine industry and
vaccine adverse health effects.

I think Trump should have appointed Andrew Wakefield to the head of the
CDC, but this commission seems like a positive thing.

cheers,
Jamie


Yeah, too bad anti-vaxxers weren't around to tell my father's first wife
who lost the use of her legs from polio, or my mother who lost 70% of
her hearing as a child in the 1950s from neurological complications of
measles, that it's okay because they might have suffered "adverse health
effects" from a vaccine if it had been available.

dcaster@krl.org
Guest

Wed Jan 11, 2017 3:36 pm   



On Tuesday, January 10, 2017 at 10:43:46 PM UTC-5, Jamie M wrote:
Quote:
Hi,

Trump appointed Robert Kennedy to head a commission on vaccine
safety:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4106972/Trump-s-RFK-Jr-railed-against-vaccine-holocaust-charge-new-commission-vaccine-safety.html

RFK is very critical (for good reason) of the vaccine industry and
vaccine adverse health effects.

I think Trump should have appointed Andrew Wakefield to the head of the
CDC, but this commission seems like a positive thing.

cheers,
Jamie


I wondered why Trump would pick RFK and decided that the idea was to pick a critic and if the critic can not prove there is a cause and effect, then it should end the controversy.

Dan


Guest

Wed Jan 11, 2017 3:56 pm   



On Thursday, January 12, 2017 at 12:36:57 AM UTC+11, dca...@krl.org wrote:
Quote:
On Tuesday, January 10, 2017 at 10:43:46 PM UTC-5, Jamie M wrote:
Hi,

Trump appointed Robert Kennedy to head a commission on vaccine
safety:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4106972/Trump-s-RFK-Jr-railed-against-vaccine-holocaust-charge-new-commission-vaccine-safety.html

RFK is very critical (for good reason) of the vaccine industry and
vaccine adverse health effects.

I think Trump should have appointed Andrew Wakefield to the head of the
CDC, but this commission seems like a positive thing.

cheers,
Jamie

I wondered why Trump would pick RFK and decided that the idea was to pick a critic and if the critic can not prove there is a cause and effect, then it should end the controversy.


Too subtle for Trump - JFK is a famous name, and that was probably all that was involved.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

George Herold
Guest

Wed Jan 11, 2017 4:07 pm   



On Wednesday, January 11, 2017 at 8:36:57 AM UTC-5, dca...@krl.org wrote:
Quote:
On Tuesday, January 10, 2017 at 10:43:46 PM UTC-5, Jamie M wrote:
Hi,

Trump appointed Robert Kennedy to head a commission on vaccine
safety:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4106972/Trump-s-RFK-Jr-railed-against-vaccine-holocaust-charge-new-commission-vaccine-safety.html

RFK is very critical (for good reason) of the vaccine industry and
vaccine adverse health effects.

I think Trump should have appointed Andrew Wakefield to the head of the
CDC, but this commission seems like a positive thing.

cheers,
Jamie

I wondered why Trump would pick RFK and decided that the idea was to pick a critic and if the critic can not prove there is a cause and effect, then it should end the controversy.

Dan


I think you are giving Trump too much credit. (And since when will the facts
make any difference to a conspiracy theory.)

George H.

David Brown
Guest

Wed Jan 11, 2017 9:28 pm   



On 11/01/17 14:36, dcaster_at_krl.org wrote:
Quote:
On Tuesday, January 10, 2017 at 10:43:46 PM UTC-5, Jamie M wrote:
Hi,

Trump appointed Robert Kennedy to head a commission on vaccine
safety:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4106972/Trump-s-RFK-Jr-railed-against-vaccine-holocaust-charge-new-commission-vaccine-safety.html



RFK is very critical (for good reason) of the vaccine industry and
vaccine adverse health effects.

I think Trump should have appointed Andrew Wakefield to the head of
the CDC, but this commission seems like a positive thing.

cheers, Jamie

I wondered why Trump would pick RFK and decided that the idea was to
pick a critic and if the critic can not prove there is a cause and
effect, then it should end the controversy.


That would make sense if the guy went into the job with an open mind.
But no anti-vaccine campaigner has an open mind on the subject - if they
did, they would already have changed it. That's how clear the evidence
is - people die or suffer unnecessarily when they are not vaccinated,
and the whole concept of a connection with autism was invented by a
disgraced ex-doctor looking for fame and money.

This guy RFK is not someone who says "we need to make sure that vaccines
are safe, we need to be sure they are tested properly, we need to make
sure that they are cost-effective and not just money-spinners for drugs
companies". This is one of these "we know that vaccines cause autism -
and /they/ are conspiring to hide the evidence" loonies.

So what Trump has done here is pick someone who will pretty much
guarantee that the commission will agree with his own ideas about
vaccines. But since he is a member of the Democratic Royal Family
rather than a Republican who is so conservative that he prefers
blood-letting to vaccines, or a religious nut who thinks diseases are
God's divine punishment on sinners, Trump will claim the whole process
is "fair" because he has picked someone who is not a supporter of his.


And you have to remember that this is not a "controversy" - it is a
conspiracy theory. Any person, commission or group that does serious
work and concludes that there is no connection between vaccines and
autism is simply more "proof" of how far-reaching the conspiracy is, and
therefore more "proof" that there /is/ a connection.

dcaster@krl.org
Guest

Thu Jan 12, 2017 3:09 am   



On Wednesday, January 11, 2017 at 9:28:11 AM UTC-5, David Brown wrote:

Quote:

That would make sense if the guy went into the job with an open mind.
But no anti-vaccine campaigner has an open mind on the subject - if they
did, they would already have changed it. That's how clear the evidence
is - people die or suffer unnecessarily when they are not vaccinated,
and the whole concept of a connection with autism was invented by a
disgraced ex-doctor looking for fame and money.




I figured that the evidence is so overwhelming that even RFK would have to admit there was no cause and effect relation. _I am probably too optimistic.

Dan

John Robertson
Guest

Thu Jan 12, 2017 8:30 am   



On 2017/01/10 7:43 PM, Jamie M wrote:
Quote:
Hi,

Trump appointed Robert Kennedy to head a commission on vaccine
safety:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4106972/Trump-s-RFK-Jr-railed-against-vaccine-holocaust-charge-new-commission-vaccine-safety.html


RFK is very critical (for good reason) of the vaccine industry and
vaccine adverse health effects.

I think Trump should have appointed Andrew Wakefield to the head of the
CDC, but this commission seems like a positive thing.

cheers,
Jamie


Oh, goodie, bring back Smallpox. Let's have some Polio too. Oh, what
about pneumonia? That sounds like fun! Tuberculosis, Measles, Rubella,
Typhoid, all those really fun diseases that modern society doesn't
remember - oh, what's that on the horizon? Do I see Quarantine in the
distance moving closer?

Let's fill the cemeteries!

Signed,

The Four Horsemen...

Reinhardt Behm
Guest

Thu Jan 12, 2017 5:06 pm   



AT Thursday 12 January 2017 15:09, John Robertson wrote:

Quote:
On 2017/01/10 7:43 PM, Jamie M wrote:
Hi,

Trump appointed Robert Kennedy to head a commission on vaccine
safety:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4106972/Trump-s-RFK-Jr-railed-
against-vaccine-holocaust-charge-new-commission-vaccine-safety.html


RFK is very critical (for good reason) of the vaccine industry and
vaccine adverse health effects.

I think Trump should have appointed Andrew Wakefield to the head of the
CDC, but this commission seems like a positive thing.

cheers,
Jamie


Oh, goodie, bring back Smallpox. Let's have some Polio too. Oh, what
about pneumonia? That sounds like fun! Tuberculosis, Measles, Rubella,
Typhoid, all those really fun diseases that modern society doesn't
remember - oh, what's that on the horizon? Do I see Quarantine in the
distance moving closer?


It's Donalds trick to make Mexico pay for the wall. They will want the wall
to protect their own population from the germ ridden USAiens.

--
Reinhardt

Jamie M
Guest

Sat Jan 14, 2017 8:30 am   



On 1/11/2017 11:09 PM, John Robertson wrote:
Quote:
On 2017/01/10 7:43 PM, Jamie M wrote:
Hi,

Trump appointed Robert Kennedy to head a commission on vaccine
safety:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4106972/Trump-s-RFK-Jr-railed-against-vaccine-holocaust-charge-new-commission-vaccine-safety.html



RFK is very critical (for good reason) of the vaccine industry and
vaccine adverse health effects.

I think Trump should have appointed Andrew Wakefield to the head of the
CDC, but this commission seems like a positive thing.

cheers,
Jamie


Oh, goodie, bring back Smallpox. Let's have some Polio too. Oh, what
about pneumonia? That sounds like fun! Tuberculosis, Measles, Rubella,
Typhoid, all those really fun diseases that modern society doesn't
remember - oh, what's that on the horizon? Do I see Quarantine in the
distance moving closer?

Let's fill the cemeteries!

Signed,

The Four Horsemen...


Hi,

Won't happen, instead modern hygiene, better nutrition and education
are sufficient (and far superior in many ways to vaccines) as a
prophylactic.

The four thousand horsemen of the corporate medical/dietary etc
establishments have been loose for decades, attempting to monopolize
healthcare but really causing a lot of diseases and death.

Medical professionals make more money with more patients, it really
is a system set up to create disease.

cheers,
Jamie


Guest

Sat Jan 14, 2017 8:30 am   



On Saturday, January 14, 2017 at 4:08:32 PM UTC+11, Jamie M wrote:
Quote:
On 1/11/2017 11:09 PM, John Robertson wrote:
On 2017/01/10 7:43 PM, Jamie M wrote:
Hi,

Trump appointed Robert Kennedy to head a commission on vaccine
safety:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4106972/Trump-s-RFK-Jr-railed-against-vaccine-holocaust-charge-new-commission-vaccine-safety.html



RFK is very critical (for good reason) of the vaccine industry and
vaccine adverse health effects.

I think Trump should have appointed Andrew Wakefield to the head of the
CDC, but this commission seems like a positive thing.

cheers,
Jamie


Oh, goodie, bring back Smallpox. Let's have some Polio too. Oh, what
about pneumonia? That sounds like fun! Tuberculosis, Measles, Rubella,
Typhoid, all those really fun diseases that modern society doesn't
remember - oh, what's that on the horizon? Do I see Quarantine in the
distance moving closer?

Let's fill the cemeteries!

Signed,

The Four Horsemen...

Won't happen, instead modern hygiene, better nutrition and education
are sufficient (and far superior in many ways to vaccines) as a
prophylactic.


Jamie is a dangerous imbecile. Measles is very infectious virus disease, and hygiene, good nutrition and education don't do a thing to slow it down.

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/measles-deaths-by-age-group-from-1980-to-2013-ons-data/measles-notifications-and-deaths-in-england-and-wales-1940-to-2013

A measles vaccine wasn't developed until 1963, and it took more than a decade for enough kids to be immunised to give some herd immunity.

Several hundred kids a year died of pneumonia as a complication of measles until antibiotics became widely available in the late 1940s, after which the roughly hundred deaths per year are measles encephalitis, which drop off after 1967.

Not every case of encephalitis killed immediately, and some of the later deaths are from years earlier infections.

Quote:
The four thousand horsemen of the corporate medical/dietary etc
establishments have been loose for decades, attempting to monopolize
healthcare but really causing a lot of diseases and death.


Actually vastly reducing diseases and deaths, though every procedure has it side effects.

Quote:
Medical professionals make more money with more patients, it really
is a system set up to create disease.


Jamie does like to think this - in reality vaccines prevent a whole lot more disease than they cause, but Jamie can't do quantitative thinking, and probably wouldn't bother making the effort if he could.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

whit3rd
Guest

Sat Jan 14, 2017 11:36 am   



On Friday, January 13, 2017 at 9:08:32 PM UTC-8, Jamie M wrote:
Quote:
On 1/11/2017 11:09 PM, John Robertson wrote:
On 2017/01/10 7:43 PM, Jamie M wrote:
Hi,

Trump appointed Robert Kennedy to head a commission on vaccine
safety:

RFK is very critical (for good reason) of the vaccine industry and
vaccine adverse health effects.

Oh, goodie, bring back Smallpox. ...
Let's fill the cemeteries!

Won't happen, instead modern hygiene, better nutrition and education
are sufficient (and far superior in many ways to vaccines) as a
prophylactic.


Nonsense. Smallpox vaccination has a few centuries of recorded historical success,
and 'education' means we should all know about that. Nutrition doesn't
stop smallpox, measles, or flu. Vaccination does.

Anti-disease is a respectable principle. Anti-vaccination is a silly pose.

Lasse Langwadt Christense
Guest

Sat Jan 14, 2017 11:38 pm   



Den onsdag den 11. januar 2017 kl. 05.43.03 UTC+1 skrev bitrex:
Quote:
On 01/10/2017 10:43 PM, Jamie M wrote:
Hi,

Trump appointed Robert Kennedy to head a commission on vaccine
safety:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4106972/Trump-s-RFK-Jr-railed-against-vaccine-holocaust-charge-new-commission-vaccine-safety.html


RFK is very critical (for good reason) of the vaccine industry and
vaccine adverse health effects.

I think Trump should have appointed Andrew Wakefield to the head of the
CDC, but this commission seems like a positive thing.

cheers,
Jamie


Yeah, too bad anti-vaxxers weren't around to tell my father's first wife
who lost the use of her legs from polio, or my mother who lost 70% of
her hearing as a child in the 1950s from neurological complications of
measles, that it's okay because they might have suffered "adverse health
effects" from a vaccine if it had been available.


i could probably have saved a lot of children if Wakefield had been "vaccinated" with arsenic 20 years ago

John Devereux
Guest

Sun Jan 15, 2017 3:44 am   



whit3rd <whit3rd_at_gmail.com> writes:

Quote:
On Friday, January 13, 2017 at 9:08:32 PM UTC-8, Jamie M wrote:
On 1/11/2017 11:09 PM, John Robertson wrote:
On 2017/01/10 7:43 PM, Jamie M wrote:
Hi,

Trump appointed Robert Kennedy to head a commission on vaccine
safety:

RFK is very critical (for good reason) of the vaccine industry and
vaccine adverse health effects.

Oh, goodie, bring back Smallpox. ...
Let's fill the cemeteries!

Won't happen, instead modern hygiene, better nutrition and education
are sufficient (and far superior in many ways to vaccines) as a
prophylactic.

Nonsense. Smallpox vaccination has a few centuries of recorded historical success,
and 'education' means we should all know about that. Nutrition doesn't
stop smallpox, measles, or flu. Vaccination does.


Yes. Vaccination *eradicated* smallpox - I remember it was hailed as the
greatest achievment of the 20th century. Of course Jamie would say a bit
of smallpox never did anyone any harm if you take the right magic
supplement.

Polio is on the verge of a similar eradication and has been for 20
years. It too would be history if it weren't for Jamie's fellow
travellers in Afghanistan, Pakistan and Nigeria.

> Anti-disease is a respectable principle. Anti-vaccination is a silly pose.

--

John Devereux

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