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amdx
Guest

Fri Aug 10, 2018 6:45 pm   



Is it reasonable/possible to build an 8 amp 20 V transformerless
power supply from a 120Vac line.
I calculate about 180uf plus or minus depending on other components.
Maybe 9- 20uf caps in parallel?
I'd like to build it into a leaf blower.
All plastic, absolutely no metal exposed.

I think I've answered my question, I have 12, X rated caps in my junk
box, but they are only 1uf.
The cheapest 20uf I can find is $3, so $27 for 9 caps. Not reasonable.

Just had another thought, I could mount a power supply with
transformer on the wall and have a cord go to the leaf blower. Just
trying to build a light weight Leaf Blower for the wife to clean the
garage once a week.
Daughter gave me the leaf blower after the battery charger gave up.

Input encouraged.
Mikek

Rheilly Phoull
Guest

Sat Aug 11, 2018 1:45 am   



On 11/08/2018 1:26 AM, amdx wrote:
Quote:

  Is it reasonable/possible to build an 8 amp 20 V transformerless
power supply from a 120Vac line.
 I calculate about 180uf plus or minus depending on other components.
 Maybe 9- 20uf caps in parallel?
 I'd like to build it into a leaf blower.
 All plastic, absolutely no metal exposed.

 I think I've answered my question, I have 12, X rated caps in my junk
box, but they are only 1uf.
The cheapest 20uf I can find is $3, so $27 for 9 caps. Not reasonable.

 Just had another thought, I could mount a power supply with
transformer on the wall and have a cord go to the leaf blower. Just
trying to build a light weight Leaf Blower for the wife to clean the
garage once a week.
Daughter gave me the leaf blower after the battery charger gave up.

 Input encouraged.
                 Mikek


Fix or replace the charger ??

amdx
Guest

Sat Aug 11, 2018 2:45 am   



On 8/10/2018 6:59 PM, Rheilly Phoull wrote:
Quote:
On 11/08/2018 1:26 AM, amdx wrote:

   Is it reasonable/possible to build an 8 amp 20 V transformerless
power supply from a 120Vac line.
  I calculate about 180uf plus or minus depending on other components.
  Maybe 9- 20uf caps in parallel?
  I'd like to build it into a leaf blower.
  All plastic, absolutely no metal exposed.

  I think I've answered my question, I have 12, X rated caps in my
junk box, but they are only 1uf.
The cheapest 20uf I can find is $3, so $27 for 9 caps. Not reasonable.

  Just had another thought, I could mount a power supply with
transformer on the wall and have a cord go to the leaf blower. Just
trying to build a light weight Leaf Blower for the wife to clean the
garage once a week.
Daughter gave me the leaf blower after the battery charger gave up.

  Input encouraged.
                  Mikek

Fix or replace the charger ??


No, I looked at the charger, could not get a schematic and is was full
of surface mount ICs and parts, not a simple charger, plus the batteries
are no good.
I already have leaf blower, it is larger, this would be nice just for
the garage.

Mikek

default
Guest

Sat Aug 11, 2018 2:45 pm   



On Fri, 10 Aug 2018 12:26:06 -0500, amdx <nojunk_at_knology.net> wrote:

Quote:

Is it reasonable/possible to build an 8 amp 20 V transformerless
power supply from a 120Vac line.
I calculate about 180uf plus or minus depending on other components.
Maybe 9- 20uf caps in parallel?
I'd like to build it into a leaf blower.
All plastic, absolutely no metal exposed.

I think I've answered my question, I have 12, X rated caps in my junk
box, but they are only 1uf.
The cheapest 20uf I can find is $3, so $27 for 9 caps. Not reasonable.

Just had another thought, I could mount a power supply with
transformer on the wall and have a cord go to the leaf blower. Just
trying to build a light weight Leaf Blower for the wife to clean the
garage once a week.
Daughter gave me the leaf blower after the battery charger gave up.

Input encouraged.
Mikek


I frequently see some large AC rated caps in the surplus catalogs so I
think I'd hunt for some better prices. The newer film caps... I
wouldn't use an AC motor starting electrolytic, and would have some
safety devices built too.

regarding a low voltage supply to the blower...
You may not be happy with the voltage drop...

Google for "line voltage drop calculator" plug in wire size, distance,
current, then see how much you will lose between a source and the leaf
blower.

https://www.calculator.net/voltage-drop-calculator.html?material=copper&wiresize=8.286&voltage=20&phase=dc&noofconductor=1&distance=100&distanceunit=feet&amperes=8&x=88&y=6

DC motors pull more than their working current when starting up. (that
may just be an annoyance with a long line - waiting for the blower to
spin-up to speed)

There are all kinds of relatively inexpensive DC supplies on Ebay and
surplus electronics outlets, you may find a charger on line too.

Lithium batteries and sealed batteries can be dangerous if they aren't
charged properly. So don't just connect a DC supply to a battery,
call it a charger, and expect things to work or be safe.

If it were me, I'd try to fix or replace the charger as Plan "A"

default
Guest

Sat Aug 11, 2018 2:45 pm   



On Fri, 10 Aug 2018 12:26:06 -0500, amdx <nojunk_at_knology.net> wrote:

Quote:

Is it reasonable/possible to build an 8 amp 20 V transformerless
power supply from a 120Vac line.
I calculate about 180uf plus or minus depending on other components.
Maybe 9- 20uf caps in parallel?
I'd like to build it into a leaf blower.
All plastic, absolutely no metal exposed.

I think I've answered my question, I have 12, X rated caps in my junk
box, but they are only 1uf.
The cheapest 20uf I can find is $3, so $27 for 9 caps. Not reasonable.

Just had another thought, I could mount a power supply with
transformer on the wall and have a cord go to the leaf blower. Just
trying to build a light weight Leaf Blower for the wife to clean the
garage once a week.
Daughter gave me the leaf blower after the battery charger gave up.

Input encouraged.
Mikek


PS Check the price of a replacement from the manufacturer. I was
getting all set to rebuild the power supply on my wife's big fancy
sub-woofer computer speakers and for the hell of it called Altec
Lansing only to find the whole sub-woofer box with amp and supply was
only $20 as a new OEM replacement.

George Herold
Guest

Sat Aug 11, 2018 5:45 pm   



On Friday, August 10, 2018 at 1:26:12 PM UTC-4, amdx wrote:
Quote:
Is it reasonable/possible to build an 8 amp 20 V transformerless
power supply from a 120Vac line.
I calculate about 180uf plus or minus depending on other components.
Maybe 9- 20uf caps in parallel?
I'd like to build it into a leaf blower.
All plastic, absolutely no metal exposed.

I think I've answered my question, I have 12, X rated caps in my junk
box, but they are only 1uf.
The cheapest 20uf I can find is $3, so $27 for 9 caps. Not reasonable.

Just had another thought, I could mount a power supply with
transformer on the wall and have a cord go to the leaf blower. Just
trying to build a light weight Leaf Blower for the wife to clean the
garage once a week.
Daughter gave me the leaf blower after the battery charger gave up.

Input encouraged.
Mikek


You could buy some DC supply... meanwell?
Or get a 30V 10 A bench supply?
About ~$150 here.
http://www.volteq.com/

George H.

Ralph Mowery
Guest

Sat Aug 11, 2018 10:45 pm   



In article <v9ptmdtgghhup6442ktg1hlgltok1ohrt0_at_4ax.com>,
default_at_defaulter.net says...
Quote:

PS Check the price of a replacement from the manufacturer. I was
getting all set to rebuild the power supply on my wife's big fancy
sub-woofer computer speakers and for the hell of it called Altec
Lansing only to find the whole sub-woofer box with amp and supply was
only $20 as a new OEM replacement.



That is the way it is for many items. You can buy a new one for just
the parts to repair something. I seldom even think of repairing many
low dollar items just because the parts are worth more than a new one.

amdx
Guest

Sun Aug 12, 2018 2:45 am   



On 8/11/2018 8:35 AM, default wrote:
Quote:
On Fri, 10 Aug 2018 12:26:06 -0500, amdx <nojunk_at_knology.net> wrote:


Is it reasonable/possible to build an 8 amp 20 V transformerless
power supply from a 120Vac line.
I calculate about 180uf plus or minus depending on other components.
Maybe 9- 20uf caps in parallel?
I'd like to build it into a leaf blower.
All plastic, absolutely no metal exposed.

I think I've answered my question, I have 12, X rated caps in my junk
box, but they are only 1uf.
The cheapest 20uf I can find is $3, so $27 for 9 caps. Not reasonable.

Just had another thought, I could mount a power supply with
transformer on the wall and have a cord go to the leaf blower. Just
trying to build a light weight Leaf Blower for the wife to clean the
garage once a week.
Daughter gave me the leaf blower after the battery charger gave up.

Input encouraged.
Mikek

PS Check the price of a replacement from the manufacturer. I was
getting all set to rebuild the power supply on my wife's big fancy
sub-woofer computer speakers and for the hell of it called Altec
Lansing only to find the whole sub-woofer box with amp and supply was
only $20 as a new OEM replacement.


Ya, just not interested, It would just be a lightweight blower to set
at one end of the garage and easily blow out the garage.
I threw out the Original charger and batteries and the weed whip that
used the same batteries, I think it even had a hedge trimmer.

I bought a $450 Bose Subwoofer speaker system at a yard sale for $5,
they wanted $10, but when I ask if it worked the said no. So, I
offered $5.
I took it home, and contacted Bose, the said the problem may be this
cable and sent one. It wasn't the cable. So they said They would fix it
at no charge, But I had to pay the shipping there. They paid it back.
It did cost almost $40 to ship, but a nice system for $45!

Mikek

amdx
Guest

Sun Aug 12, 2018 2:45 am   



On 8/11/2018 3:56 PM, Ralph Mowery wrote:
Quote:
In article <v9ptmdtgghhup6442ktg1hlgltok1ohrt0_at_4ax.com>,
default_at_defaulter.net says...

PS Check the price of a replacement from the manufacturer. I was
getting all set to rebuild the power supply on my wife's big fancy
sub-woofer computer speakers and for the hell of it called Altec
Lansing only to find the whole sub-woofer box with amp and supply was
only $20 as a new OEM replacement.



That is the way it is for many items. You can buy a new one for just
the parts to repair something. I seldom even think of repairing many
low dollar items just because the parts are worth more than a new one.


My wife picked up a low set exercise bike, the electronics were built
into a plastic ass'y that many would use as a handle. It was broke,
along with the PCB, Having fixed many, many cracked PCBs. My wife
thought I could fix it. Nope, too many pieces.
I checked on line and found it was only $26 for the whole assy.
That was such a deal.
And I don't use it as a handle.
Mikek

amdx
Guest

Sun Sep 23, 2018 8:45 pm   



On 8/10/2018 12:26 PM, amdx wrote:
Quote:

  Is it reasonable/possible to build an 8 amp 20 V transformerless
power supply from a 120Vac line.
 I calculate about 180uf plus or minus depending on other components.
 Maybe 9- 20uf caps in parallel?
 I'd like to build it into a leaf blower.
 All plastic, absolutely no metal exposed.

 I think I've answered my question, I have 12, X rated caps in my junk
box, but they are only 1uf.
The cheapest 20uf I can find is $3, so $27 for 9 caps. Not reasonable.

 Just had another thought, I could mount a power supply with
transformer on the wall and have a cord go to the leaf blower. Just
trying to build a light weight Leaf Blower for the wife to clean the
garage once a week.
Daughter gave me the leaf blower after the battery charger gave up.

 Input encouraged.
                 Mikek


I'm still thinking about simple Transformerless supplies for 20V 8
amps from 120vac.
I recalled this Third harmonic generator, it's design is for very low
power, but can it be increased? The design is for 10MHz to 30MHz, going
from 60hz to 180hz makes the inductors huge, but... any thoughts.
> https://bonlacfoods.com/pdf/018180621.pdf

Here's the two diode version.
> http://www.wenzel.com/documents/2diomult.html

Lots of reactive power, which means I'm not creating lots of heat.
But can it be made to work.

Mikek

default
Guest

Sun Sep 23, 2018 10:45 pm   



On Sun, 23 Sep 2018 13:58:37 -0500, amdx <nojunk_at_knology.net> wrote:

Quote:
On 8/10/2018 12:26 PM, amdx wrote:

Is it reasonable/possible to build an 8 amp 20 V transformerless
power supply from a 120Vac line.
I calculate about 180uf plus or minus depending on other components.
Maybe 9- 20uf caps in parallel?
I'd like to build it into a leaf blower.
All plastic, absolutely no metal exposed.

I think I've answered my question, I have 12, X rated caps in my junk
box, but they are only 1uf.
The cheapest 20uf I can find is $3, so $27 for 9 caps. Not reasonable.

Just had another thought, I could mount a power supply with
transformer on the wall and have a cord go to the leaf blower. Just
trying to build a light weight Leaf Blower for the wife to clean the
garage once a week.
Daughter gave me the leaf blower after the battery charger gave up.

Input encouraged.
Mikek

I'm still thinking about simple Transformerless supplies for 20V 8
amps from 120vac.
I recalled this Third harmonic generator, it's design is for very low
power, but can it be increased? The design is for 10MHz to 30MHz, going
from 60hz to 180hz makes the inductors huge, but... any thoughts.
https://bonlacfoods.com/pdf/018180621.pdf

Here's the two diode version.
http://www.wenzel.com/documents/2diomult.html

Lots of reactive power, which means I'm not creating lots of heat.
But can it be made to work.

Mikek

Reactive power works at 60 HZ as well as 10 MHZ the parts just get too
cumbersome and expensive. The math work very well; the practicality
doesn't work at all.

And you aren't dealing with a fixed load. Start-up current may be
many times the run current with something like a motor. You'd
probably end up needing some form of active voltage regulation to make
it work.

If you're talking about inductors you might find selling the copper
windings and iron cores as scrap metal will more than pay for a
replacement power supply.

It (capacitive reactance) is very handy when you just need a few
milliamps to light a LED or power a small circuit like the timer on an
automatic coffee maker directly from mains voltage, but isn't often
used for amps of current because there's better ways to do it.

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