Tina TI ?

mkr5000
Guest

Tue Jan 24, 2012 7:59 pm

The only simulation I've ever done is with a breadboard, so I want to try out a free spice program that is well suited for a beginner and user friendly.

I may have found it with Tina TI ?

Does it only allow the use of TI parts ? (probably ok because TI has near everything).

Any other software I should look at also? thanks.

I did have electronics workbench years ago but couldn't get into it.

Andy Bartlett
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Tue Jan 24, 2012 7:59 pm

"mkr5000" <mikerbgr_at_gmail.com> wrote in message
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Quote:

The only simulation I've ever done is with a breadboard, so I want to try
out a free spice program that is well suited for a beginner and user
friendly.

I may have found it with Tina TI ?

Does it only allow the use of TI parts ? (probably ok because TI has near
everything).

Any other software I should look at also? thanks.

I did have electronics workbench years ago but couldn't get into it.

LTSpice is good, use it all the time

http://www.linear.com/designtools/software/#LTspice

John Larkin
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Tue Jan 24, 2012 7:59 pm

On Tue, 24 Jan 2012 09:59:58 -0800 (PST), mkr5000 <mikerbgr_at_gmail.com>
wrote:

Quote:

The only simulation I've ever done is with a breadboard, so I want to try out a free spice program that is well suited for a beginner and user friendly.

I may have found it with Tina TI ?

Does it only allow the use of TI parts ? (probably ok because TI has near everything).

Any other software I should look at also? thanks.

I did have electronics workbench years ago but couldn't get into it.

LT Spice.

John

Joerg
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Tue Jan 24, 2012 8:11 pm

Andy Bartlett wrote:

Quote:

"mkr5000" <mikerbgr_at_gmail.com> wrote in message
news:19660259.1028.1327427998799.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums_at_yqy38...
The only simulation I've ever done is with a breadboard, so I want to try
out a free spice program that is well suited for a beginner and user
friendly.

I may have found it with Tina TI ?

Does it only allow the use of TI parts ? (probably ok because TI has near
everything).

Any other software I should look at also? thanks.

I did have electronics workbench years ago but couldn't get into it.

LTSpice is good, use it all the time

http://www.linear.com/designtools/software/#LTspice

I'll second that. It's sort of the de-fecto standard these days. If you
get stuck you can post the LTSpice file at the end of a post right here
and ask others to take a look. Usually within hours you'll have answers
like "Increase R17 to 12.1k and all is well".

--
Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com/

Tim Wescott
Guest

Tue Jan 24, 2012 8:41 pm

On Tue, 24 Jan 2012 18:16:51 +0000, Andy Bartlett wrote:

Quote:

"mkr5000" <mikerbgr_at_gmail.com> wrote in message
news:19660259.1028.1327427998799.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums_at_yqy38...
The only simulation I've ever done is with a breadboard, so I want to
try out a free spice program that is well suited for a beginner and
user friendly.

I may have found it with Tina TI ?

Does it only allow the use of TI parts ? (probably ok because TI has
near everything).

Any other software I should look at also? thanks.

I did have electronics workbench years ago but couldn't get into it.

LTSpice is good, use it all the time

I second that. It only comes with LT parts in its library, and it
declares that "regular old" SPICE models won't run as fast.

But I've used it extensively, and it works fine. The last time that I
had another SPICE simulator on my computer (which was ages and ages ago)
LTSpice was much better (faster, and maybe even more accurate) at
simulating RF oscillator start-up. LT advertises that LTSpice uses
different algorithms for simulation that are optimized for switching
supply use -- I could easily see such algorithms handling RF oscillator
nonlinearities better, too.

--
My liberal friends think I'm a conservative kook.
My conservative friends think I'm a liberal kook.
Why am I not happy that they have found common ground?

Tim Wescott, Communications, Control, Circuits & Software
http://www.wescottdesign.com

John Larkin
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Wed Jan 25, 2012 12:11 am

On Tue, 24 Jan 2012 14:32:55 -0800 (PST), mkr5000 <mikerbgr_at_gmail.com>
wrote:

Quote:

Just installed LT spice -- very cool -- you can see from the interface that it will be fun to work with.

Thanks.

It's pretty easy to drive, for basic circuits. It gets a little tricky
when you want to do stuff that needs math expressions or parameters or
models, but there's tons of help on the web.

Highlight this, copy, paste into notepad, save somewhere as
BasicOpamp.asc, then double-click on that file.

Hit the 'running man' icon, then probe. The opamp inverting input is
fun.

Version 4
SHEET 1 880 680
WIRE 144 16 96 16
WIRE 256 16 224 16
WIRE 320 48 160 48
WIRE 320 64 320 48
WIRE 160 96 160 48
WIRE 0 112 -16 112
WIRE 96 112 96 16
WIRE 96 112 80 112
WIRE 128 112 96 112
WIRE 256 128 256 16
WIRE 256 128 192 128
WIRE -16 144 -16 112
WIRE 128 144 96 144
WIRE 320 176 320 144
WIRE 96 192 96 144
WIRE 160 192 160 160
WIRE -16 256 -16 224
WIRE 160 288 160 272
FLAG -16 256 0
FLAG 96 192 0
FLAG 160 288 0
FLAG 320 176 0
SYMBOL Opamps\\UniversalOpamp 160 128 R0
SYMATTR InstName U1
SYMBOL voltage -16 128 R0
WINDOW 0 -76 17 Left 2
WINDOW 3 -93 168 Left 2
WINDOW 123 0 0 Left 2
WINDOW 39 0 0 Left 2
SYMATTR InstName V1
SYMATTR Value SINE(0 1 100)
SYMBOL res 96 96 R90
WINDOW 0 -52 58 VBottom 2
WINDOW 3 -43 60 VTop 2
SYMATTR InstName R1
SYMATTR Value 1k
SYMBOL res 240 0 R90
WINDOW 0 -13 94 VBottom 2
WINDOW 3 -41 44 VTop 2
SYMATTR InstName R2
SYMATTR Value 15k
SYMBOL voltage 160 176 R0
WINDOW 0 64 39 Left 2
WINDOW 3 62 74 Left 2
WINDOW 123 0 0 Left 2
WINDOW 39 0 0 Left 2
SYMATTR InstName V2
SYMATTR Value -12
SYMBOL voltage 320 48 R0
WINDOW 0 56 36 Left 2
WINDOW 3 58 73 Left 2
WINDOW 123 0 0 Left 2
WINDOW 39 0 0 Left 2
SYMATTR InstName V3
SYMATTR Value 12
TEXT -40 -24 Left 2 !.tran 0.1

mkr5000
Guest

Wed Jan 25, 2012 12:32 am

Just installed LT spice -- very cool -- you can see from the interface that it will be fun to work with.

Thanks.

krw@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz
Guest

Wed Jan 25, 2012 1:59 am

On Tue, 24 Jan 2012 09:59:58 -0800 (PST), mkr5000 <mikerbgr_at_gmail.com> wrote:

Quote:

The only simulation I've ever done is with a breadboard, so I want to try out a free spice program that is well suited for a beginner and user friendly.

I may have found it with Tina TI ?

Does it only allow the use of TI parts ? (probably ok because TI has near everything).

Any other software I should look at also? thanks.

I did have electronics workbench years ago but couldn't get into it.

I used Tina TI for a while, then got a registered copy of Tina so I could add
models. It's OK to learn with but you'll soon run out of gas with it. It
also has some really aggravating quirks. After wasting time with it there is
no way I'd go through it again. LTSpice is far superior in every way (except
perhaps schematic entry). Ditch Tina and use LTSpice.

amdx
Guest

Wed Jan 25, 2012 2:38 am

On 1/24/2012 1:11 PM, Joerg wrote:

Quote:

Andy Bartlett wrote:
"mkr5000"<mikerbgr_at_gmail.com> wrote in message
news:19660259.1028.1327427998799.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums_at_yqy38...
The only simulation I've ever done is with a breadboard, so I want to try
out a free spice program that is well suited for a beginner and user
friendly.

I may have found it with Tina TI ?

Does it only allow the use of TI parts ? (probably ok because TI has near
everything).

Any other software I should look at also? thanks.

I did have electronics workbench years ago but couldn't get into it.

LTSpice is good, use it all the time

http://www.linear.com/designtools/software/#LTspice

I'll second that. It's sort of the de-fecto standard these days. If you
get stuck you can post the LTSpice file at the end of a post right here
and ask others to take a look.

Quote:

Usually within hours you'll have answers
like "Increase R17 to 12.1k and all is well".

I don't feel that's true.
I'm still stinging after I posted an LTspice file of a fairly simple
tuned circuit with a high impedance driver and capacitive load .
I ask for a critic, all I got was that I need to know a lot more about
electronics and that I should use a paper and pencil to do the math.
Nothing was said if there was anything good, bad, right or wrong with my
file.
Thanks for all the help,
Mikek

Jim Thompson
Guest

Wed Jan 25, 2012 2:56 am

On Tue, 24 Jan 2012 19:38:39 -0600, amdx <amdx_at_knologynotthis.net>
wrote:

Quote:

On 1/24/2012 1:11 PM, Joerg wrote:
Andy Bartlett wrote:
"mkr5000"<mikerbgr_at_gmail.com> wrote in message
news:19660259.1028.1327427998799.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums_at_yqy38...
The only simulation I've ever done is with a breadboard, so I want to try
out a free spice program that is well suited for a beginner and user
friendly.

I may have found it with Tina TI ?

Does it only allow the use of TI parts ? (probably ok because TI has near
everything).

Any other software I should look at also? thanks.

I did have electronics workbench years ago but couldn't get into it.

LTSpice is good, use it all the time

http://www.linear.com/designtools/software/#LTspice

I'll second that. It's sort of the de-fecto standard these days. If you
get stuck you can post the LTSpice file at the end of a post right here
and ask others to take a look.

Usually within hours you'll have answers
like "Increase R17 to 12.1k and all is well".

I don't feel that's true.
I'm still stinging after I posted an LTspice file of a fairly simple
tuned circuit with a high impedance driver and capacitive load .
I ask for a critic, all I got was that I need to know a lot more about
electronics and that I should use a paper and pencil to do the math.
Nothing was said if there was anything good, bad, right or wrong with my
file.
Thanks for all the help,
Mikek

Huh? I don't think it was you that I told to, "Run the math rather
than your mouth"... was it ? Smile

amdx
Guest

Wed Jan 25, 2012 5:06 pm

On 1/24/2012 7:56 PM, Jim Thompson wrote:

Quote:

On Tue, 24 Jan 2012 19:38:39 -0600, amdx<amdx_at_knologynotthis.net
wrote:

On 1/24/2012 1:11 PM, Joerg wrote:
Andy Bartlett wrote:
"mkr5000"<mikerbgr_at_gmail.com> wrote in message
news:19660259.1028.1327427998799.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums_at_yqy38...
The only simulation I've ever done is with a breadboard, so I want to try
out a free spice program that is well suited for a beginner and user
friendly.

I may have found it with Tina TI ?

Does it only allow the use of TI parts ? (probably ok because TI has near
everything).

Any other software I should look at also? thanks.

I did have electronics workbench years ago but couldn't get into it.

LTSpice is good, use it all the time

http://www.linear.com/designtools/software/#LTspice

I'll second that. It's sort of the de-fecto standard these days. If you
get stuck you can post the LTSpice file at the end of a post right here
and ask others to take a look.

Usually within hours you'll have answers
like "Increase R17 to 12.1k and all is well".

I don't feel that's true.
I'm still stinging after I posted an LTspice file of a fairly simple
tuned circuit with a high impedance driver and capacitive load .
I ask for a critic, all I got was that I need to know a lot more about
electronics and that I should use a paper and pencil to do the math.
Nothing was said if there was anything good, bad, right or wrong with my
file.
Thanks for all the help,
Mikek

Huh? I don't think it was you that I told to, "Run the math rather
than your mouth"... was it ? Smile

...Jim Thompson
I don't remember the mouth part.

Mikek

Jim Thompson
Guest

Wed Jan 25, 2012 6:03 pm

On Wed, 25 Jan 2012 10:06:27 -0600, amdx <amdx_at_knology.net> wrote:

Quote:

On 1/24/2012 7:56 PM, Jim Thompson wrote:
On Tue, 24 Jan 2012 19:38:39 -0600, amdx<amdx_at_knologynotthis.net
wrote:

On 1/24/2012 1:11 PM, Joerg wrote:
Andy Bartlett wrote:
"mkr5000"<mikerbgr_at_gmail.com> wrote in message
news:19660259.1028.1327427998799.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums_at_yqy38...
The only simulation I've ever done is with a breadboard, so I want to try
out a free spice program that is well suited for a beginner and user
friendly.

I may have found it with Tina TI ?

Does it only allow the use of TI parts ? (probably ok because TI has near
everything).

Any other software I should look at also? thanks.

I did have electronics workbench years ago but couldn't get into it.

LTSpice is good, use it all the time

http://www.linear.com/designtools/software/#LTspice

I'll second that. It's sort of the de-fecto standard these days. If you
get stuck you can post the LTSpice file at the end of a post right here
and ask others to take a look.

Usually within hours you'll have answers
like "Increase R17 to 12.1k and all is well".

I don't feel that's true.
I'm still stinging after I posted an LTspice file of a fairly simple
tuned circuit with a high impedance driver and capacitive load .
I ask for a critic, all I got was that I need to know a lot more about
electronics and that I should use a paper and pencil to do the math.
Nothing was said if there was anything good, bad, right or wrong with my
file.
Thanks for all the help,
Mikek

Huh? I don't think it was you that I told to, "Run the math rather
than your mouth"... was it ? Smile

...Jim Thompson
I don't remember the mouth part.
Mikek

amdx
Guest

Wed Jan 25, 2012 6:46 pm

On 1/25/2012 11:03 AM, Jim Thompson wrote:

Quote:

On Wed, 25 Jan 2012 10:06:27 -0600, amdx<amdx_at_knology.net> wrote:

On 1/24/2012 7:56 PM, Jim Thompson wrote:
On Tue, 24 Jan 2012 19:38:39 -0600, amdx<amdx_at_knologynotthis.net
wrote:

On 1/24/2012 1:11 PM, Joerg wrote:
Andy Bartlett wrote:
"mkr5000"<mikerbgr_at_gmail.com> wrote in message
news:19660259.1028.1327427998799.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums_at_yqy38...
The only simulation I've ever done is with a breadboard, so I want to try
out a free spice program that is well suited for a beginner and user
friendly.

I may have found it with Tina TI ?

Does it only allow the use of TI parts ? (probably ok because TI has near
everything).

Any other software I should look at also? thanks.

I did have electronics workbench years ago but couldn't get into it.

LTSpice is good, use it all the time

http://www.linear.com/designtools/software/#LTspice

I'll second that. It's sort of the de-fecto standard these days. If you
get stuck you can post the LTSpice file at the end of a post right here
and ask others to take a look.

Usually within hours you'll have answers
like "Increase R17 to 12.1k and all is well".

I don't feel that's true.
I'm still stinging after I posted an LTspice file of a fairly simple
tuned circuit with a high impedance driver and capacitive load .
I ask for a critic, all I got was that I need to know a lot more about
electronics and that I should use a paper and pencil to do the math.
Nothing was said if there was anything good, bad, right or wrong with my
file.
Thanks for all the help,
Mikek

Huh? I don't think it was you that I told to, "Run the math rather
than your mouth"... was it ? Smile

...Jim Thompson
I don't remember the mouth part.
Mikek

So why did you take offense? I always recommend thinking _before_
simulation.

...Jim Thompson

There you go again! :-)

I did think, I just didn't do the math cause I don't know how.
Anyway lot's of feedback, nothing about my LTspice file.
Mikek

Jim Thompson
Guest

Wed Jan 25, 2012 7:19 pm

On Wed, 25 Jan 2012 11:46:07 -0600, amdx <amdx_at_knology.net> wrote:

Quote:

On 1/25/2012 11:03 AM, Jim Thompson wrote:
On Wed, 25 Jan 2012 10:06:27 -0600, amdx<amdx_at_knology.net> wrote:

On 1/24/2012 7:56 PM, Jim Thompson wrote:
On Tue, 24 Jan 2012 19:38:39 -0600, amdx<amdx_at_knologynotthis.net
wrote:

On 1/24/2012 1:11 PM, Joerg wrote:
Andy Bartlett wrote:
"mkr5000"<mikerbgr_at_gmail.com> wrote in message
news:19660259.1028.1327427998799.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums_at_yqy38...
The only simulation I've ever done is with a breadboard, so I want to try
out a free spice program that is well suited for a beginner and user
friendly.

I may have found it with Tina TI ?

Does it only allow the use of TI parts ? (probably ok because TI has near
everything).

Any other software I should look at also? thanks.

I did have electronics workbench years ago but couldn't get into it.

LTSpice is good, use it all the time

http://www.linear.com/designtools/software/#LTspice

I'll second that. It's sort of the de-fecto standard these days. If you
get stuck you can post the LTSpice file at the end of a post right here
and ask others to take a look.

Usually within hours you'll have answers
like "Increase R17 to 12.1k and all is well".

I don't feel that's true.
I'm still stinging after I posted an LTspice file of a fairly simple
tuned circuit with a high impedance driver and capacitive load .
I ask for a critic, all I got was that I need to know a lot more about
electronics and that I should use a paper and pencil to do the math.
Nothing was said if there was anything good, bad, right or wrong with my
file.
Thanks for all the help,
Mikek

Huh? I don't think it was you that I told to, "Run the math rather
than your mouth"... was it ? Smile

...Jim Thompson
I don't remember the mouth part.
Mikek

So why did you take offense? I always recommend thinking _before_
simulation.

...Jim Thompson

There you go again! :-)

I did think, I just didn't do the math cause I don't know how.
Anyway lot's of feedback, nothing about my LTspice file.
Mikek

amdx
Guest

Wed Jan 25, 2012 8:24 pm

Quote:

I'm still stinging after I posted an LTspice file of a fairly simple
tuned circuit with a high impedance driver and capacitive load .
I ask for a critic, all I got was that I need to know a lot more about
electronics and that I should use a paper and pencil to do the math.
Nothing was said if there was anything good, bad, right or wrong with my
file.
Thanks for all the help,
Mikek

Huh? I don't think it was you that I told to, "Run the math rather
than your mouth"... was it ? Smile

...Jim Thompson
I don't remember the mouth part.
Mikek

So why did you take offense? I always recommend thinking _before_
simulation.

...Jim Thompson

There you go again! :-)

I did think, I just didn't do the math cause I don't know how.
Anyway lot's of feedback, nothing about my LTspice file.
Mikek

I don't remember your LTspice file, and couldn't find it in Trash. Can
you post a Message-ID? Thanks!

...Jim Thompson

I'm not sure I want to show all my ignorance again, but as
you told me "You might actually learn something"
And since your feeling so compassionate today.
<b31c3$4ed4f872$18ec6dd7$5297_at_KNOLOGY.NET>

Mikek

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