Spice newbee - need book suggestion

Sun Mar 27, 2005 2:55 pm   

I'm a spice newbee. Going to use gschem (in the gEDA suite) to generate
netlist and LTSpice for the simulation. I really need a book about
Spice, not to superficial but rather in depth with illustrative
examples. I've a MSc in Applied physics and Electrical engineering, spec
applied mathematics.

/Thanks in advance

Anton

Sun Mar 27, 2005 3:10 pm   

On Sun, 27 Mar 2005 15:55:31 GMT, Anton <flaska_at_telia.com> wrote:


The classic...

SPICE: a Guide to Circuit Simulation
Author: Tuinenga, Paul
Paperback
3rd Edition Published: March 1995
Pearson Higher Education
ISBN: 0134337808

Out-of-print, and expensive at re-sellers, but written by one of the
original MicroSim guys... very good.

But I'm sure there are other good texts around.

...Jim Thompson
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Sun Mar 27, 2005 3:15 pm   

On Sun, 27 Mar 2005 09:10:35 -0700, Jim Thompson
<thegreatone_at_example.com> wrote:


I should have pointed out that I was a circuit designer for nearly 20
years BEFORE I ever laid my hands on a simulator, so I had no problems
dropping right into simulator mode.

If you are novice to circuit design, might I suggest a year or so of
math-only designing, THEN add simulators to your repertoire.

...Jim Thompson
--
| James E.Thompson, P.E. | mens |
| Analog Innovations, Inc. | et |
| Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems | manus |
| Phoenix, Arizona Voice:(480)460-2350 | |
| E-mail Address at Website Fax:(480)460-2142 | Brass Rat |
| http://www.analog-innovations.com | 1962 |

I love to cook with wine. Sometimes I even put it in the food.

Sun Mar 27, 2005 4:51 pm   

Thanks for your reply. I've done circuit design for several years now...

/Anton

Mon Mar 28, 2005 6:19 am   

Jim Thompson wrote:

Exactly.


Quite frankly, I'm absolutely staggered. We have a dude with an *MSc in
Applied Physics and Electrical Engineering*, and he is having trouble
running a modern Spice simulation tool? A task that should take around 5
minutes if one actually has the electronic background. Sure, a raw
amateur without V=IR can be expected to have an initial learning curve,
but if someone has an MSc as described, and needs anything more then the
standard spice manual (http://www.anasoft.co.uk/Spice3F5Manual.html), he
should give it up and take up Law instead.

Kevin Aylward
informationEXTRACT_at_anasoft.co.uk
http://www.anasoft.co.uk
SuperSpice, a very affordable Mixed-Mode
Windows Simulator with Schematic Capture,
Waveform Display, FFT's and Filter Design.

Mon Mar 28, 2005 7:31 am   

Thank you for your reply. The UI is not a wonder of user friendlines. To
refer to a manual with just the commands listed is not userfriendly. Its
like listing all the commands with no breadtext for a new computer
language. This might be acceptable for some but not for others. Actually
I was looking for som nice book with som background and illustrative
examples, niecly written and thereby actually more readable giving a
reading pleasure. I find your answer your answer interesting. Maybe
this is how the company Anasoft treats its customers as well?

Again, thank you for your answer.

Anton

Mon Mar 28, 2005 8:49 am   

Thank you for your reply.
Actually, I don't _need_ a book I just want one, that's quite a
difference. I've never stated that I _need_ one in order to learn to use
Spice. To refer to a manual with just the commands listed is, in my
opion, not userfriendly. Its like listing all the commands with no
breadtext for a new computer language. This might be acceptable for some
but not for others. Actually I was looking for som nice book with som
background and illustrative examples, niecely written and thereby
actually more readable and giving a reading pleasure. I find your
answer your answer quite interesting. Maybe this is how the company
Anasoft treats its customers as well?

Again, thank you for your answer.

Anton

Mon Mar 28, 2005 9:56 am   

Anton wrote:

Oh?

Quote:

"I really need a book about Spice, not to superficial but rather in
depth with illustrative examples."



See above.



I am speaking as an individual.

The truth hurts mate. Don't blame the messenger.

What your asking is equivalent to a writer asking how to use MS word to
type his story.

This is how it is, sure, the Spice program itself is a very complicated
bit of stuff. 100k lines of complex code, requiring extensive research
and ability to understand it. However, *using* spice is piss easy if you
know the *basics* of electronic engineering. Its set up such that you
only need to know a bare minimum to get it to run. Look, you say you
have an MSc in Physics/EE. I find this incredible. *Any* competent
individual with a BS degree in an EE related subject should be able to
effectively use Spice, as a tool, within minutes. The only reason why
this should not be the case, imo, if the individual is better suited to
less electronically related professions.

You may well disagree, but this is a NG, designed for peoples opinions.
I am giving mine. If you cant get by with
http://www.anasoft.co.uk/Spice3F5Manual.html, then I suggest you give up
electronics. Seriously.

Kevin Aylward
informationEXTRACT_at_anasoft.co.uk
http://www.anasoft.co.uk
SuperSpice, a very affordable Mixed-Mode
Windows Simulator with Schematic Capture,
Waveform Display, FFT's and Filter Design.

Mon Mar 28, 2005 11:37 am   

In article <THA1e.20634$d5.154076_at_newsb.telia.net>,
Anton <flaska_at_telia.com> wrote:


Not exactly what you asked for, but you may find:

http://newton.ex.ac.uk/teaching/CDHW/Electronics2/Spice3Quickstart.html

and the exercises starting with

http://newton.ex.ac.uk/teaching/CDHW/Electronics2/SimSheet-01.html

useful.

In more detail there are two books that have free online editions:

http://www10.edacafe.com/book/SpiceHandBook/index.php

http://www10.edacafe.com/book/parse_book.php?article=SMPS/SMPS.htm

Charles.

Mon Mar 28, 2005 3:36 pm   

Thank you! Gives an starting point to learning Spice. Much appreciated.

/Anton

Tue Mar 29, 2005 12:15 am   

On Mon, 28 Mar 2005 13:37:48 +0100, Charles DH Williams
<C.D.H.Williams_at_exeter.ac.uk> wrote:


Here's a some others:

Computer-Aided Circuit Analysis Using Pspice
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0131595342/qid=1112058520/sr=1-1/ref=sr_1_1/104-8032541-7775143?v=glance&s=books

Inside Spice
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0079137121/103-0441928-5859019

semiconductor device modeling with spice
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0071349553/ref=lpr_g_1/104-8032541-7775143?v=glance&s=books


The first is a basic into, similar to Tuinenga.

The 2nd talks a lot about how things can go wrong.

The 3rd talks about the standard models.

Wed Mar 30, 2005 3:08 am   

On Sun, 27 Mar 2005 15:55:31 GMT, Anton <flaska_at_telia.com> wrote:


The PSpice reference is quite handy. LTspice is pretty compatible with
PSpice syntax. A copy of version 9.x can be found at:

http://ece-www.colorado.edu/~ecen5807/course_material/pspice/PSPCREF.pdf

Mark

Wed Mar 30, 2005 2:32 pm   

That solves one thing, importance of the documentation of PSpice - ie
when using LTSpice.

/Anton

Wed Mar 30, 2005 2:34 pm   

Thanks!

Much appriciated. I'll get some books from the library.

/Anton

Wed Mar 30, 2005 3:30 pm   

Thanks!

Much appriciated. I've orded some books from the library.

/Anton