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Guest

Mon Oct 07, 2019 10:45 am   



Was saddened and angry to read that Nicholas Vinen, the editor of Silicon Chip Magazine has ordered the removal of the "Radio Television & Hobbies" and "Electronics Australia" archive from
https://www.americanradiohistory.com/index.htm

see the notice at:
https://www.americanradiohistory.com/Electronics_Australia_AU.htm
and
https://americanradiohistory.com/Radio_and_Hobbies.htm

This extensive collection had been the work of countless hobbyists and researchers who had spend thousands of hours (and thousands of dollars) collecting and scanning these publications.

Undoubtedly Silicon Chip does own the copyright, but unless they make these historical publication readily available, the material is effectively abandoned and will eventually be lost forever.

The threat of prosecution has also resulted in the loss of the priceless ability to search the text of these magazines, even magazines which are long out of copyright.

I had only recently discovered the priceless collection of magazines such as "Wireless Weekly", "Radio & Hobbies", "Australasian Radio World", "Australian Radio TV News", and so many others which I had thought were lost forever.

It's a very sad day when so called "copyright" laws result in our loosing our heritage forever.

~misfit~
Guest

Mon Oct 07, 2019 12:45 pm   



On 7/10/2019 10:18 PM, graeme.zimmer_at_gmail.com wrote:
Quote:
Was saddened and angry to read that Nicholas Vinen, the editor of Silicon Chip Magazine has ordered the removal of the "Radio Television & Hobbies" and "Electronics Australia" archive from
https://www.americanradiohistory.com/index.htm

see the notice at:
https://www.americanradiohistory.com/Electronics_Australia_AU.htm
and
https://americanradiohistory.com/Radio_and_Hobbies.htm

This extensive collection had been the work of countless hobbyists and researchers who had spend thousands of hours (and thousands of dollars) collecting and scanning these publications.

Undoubtedly Silicon Chip does own the copyright, but unless they make these historical publication readily available, the material is effectively abandoned and will eventually be lost forever.

The threat of prosecution has also resulted in the loss of the priceless ability to search the text of these magazines, even magazines which are long out of copyright.

I had only recently discovered the priceless collection of magazines such as "Wireless Weekly", "Radio & Hobbies", "Australasian Radio World", "Australian Radio TV News", and so many others which I had thought were lost forever.

It's a very sad day when so called "copyright" laws result in our loosing our heritage forever.


Well that sucks! I have a couple of EA kitset audio components (without documentation) and didn't
even know these old magazines were available until now they're not. :-/
--
Shaun.

"Humans will have advanced a long, long way when religious belief has a cozy little classification
in the DSM"
David Melville

This is not an email and hasn't been checked for viruses by any half-arsed self-promoting software.

Phil Allison
Guest

Mon Oct 07, 2019 11:45 pm   



graeme...@gmail.com wrote:

--------------------------
Quote:


Was saddened and angry to read that Nicholas Vinen, the editor of
Silicon Chip Magazine has ordered the removal of the
"Radio Television & Hobbies" and "Electronics Australia" archive from
https://www.americanradiohistory.com/index.htm

see the notice at:

https://www.americanradiohistory.com/Electronics_Australia_AU.htm
and
https://americanradiohistory.com/Radio_and_Hobbies.htm

This extensive collection had been the work of countless hobbyists
and researchers who had spend thousands of hours
(and thousands of dollars) collecting and scanning these publications.

Undoubtedly Silicon Chip does own the copyright,

--------------------------------------------------


** But not for ALL of it.

There is a lot on contributed material involved for which they only have "copyright license" from the contributors - people like myself.

I took this up with Leo some time back, he was obliged to admit he was over-claiming.

It is also arguable that because the alleged infringers were giving away the material for its historical interest - that it was "fair use".

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Quote:
but unless they make these historical publication readily available,
the material is effectively abandoned and will eventually be lost
forever.


** Well, they appear to be offering similar stuff on CD rom or download for $50.


Quote:
The threat of prosecution ...


** I bet SC is making just a few hundred dollars a year out of the material - so would not instigate expensive litigation against anyone.

BTW:

You cannot "prosecute" over copyright breach, only the police can do that and only in extreme cases like mass producing and marketing DVDs of movies.

FYI:

I got a threatening email and follow up letter from SC's lawyer ( with a very American sounding name and style ) some years ago, over a post I made here that Leo and Greg felt was defamatory. The letter demanded I post an apology.

I also got a rather threatening phone call from Greg Swain one morning.

What I posted was completely fair comment, the guys are plain loopey.

BTW:

I see Nicholas wrote the notification himself - so avoiding any lawyer's fee.

I sent Leo's Yank lawyer mate ( golfing buddy? ) a well considered reply, in the style of Jed Clampett of the Beverly Hillbillies.

Never got or expected a response, but lawyers always charge for reading such stuff.



...... Phil

Computer Nerd Kev
Guest

Mon Oct 07, 2019 11:45 pm   



~misfit~ <shaun.at.pukekohe_at_gmail.com> wrote:
Quote:
On 7/10/2019 10:18 PM, graeme.zimmer_at_gmail.com wrote:
Was saddened and angry to read that Nicholas Vinen, the
editor of Silicon Chip Magazine has ordered the removal
of the "Radio Television & Hobbies" and "Electronics
Australia" archive from
https://www.americanradiohistory.com/index.htm

see the notice at:
https://www.americanradiohistory.com/Electronics_Australia_AU.htm
and
https://americanradiohistory.com/Radio_and_Hobbies.htm

Well that sucks! I have a couple of EA kitset audio
components (without documentation) and didn't even know
these old magazines were available until now they're not. :-/


I did post about it here some time ago, along with a suggestion to
grab them before Silicon Chip finds out. Lucky that they lasted this
long really.

An Australian site could legally host copies of RTV&H issues
published before 1954, because those will be out of copyright here.
Unfortunately I somehow suspect that americanradiohistory.com is
American, so the copyright on all issues will still be in effect
there.

I know that these copyright laws clearly don't have much practical
relevance on the internet, but that's how they are.

--
__ __
#_ < |\| |< _#

Computer Nerd Kev
Guest

Mon Oct 07, 2019 11:45 pm   



Phil Allison <pallison49_at_gmail.com> wrote:
Quote:
graeme...@gmail.com wrote:

Was saddened and angry to read that Nicholas Vinen, the editor of
Silicon Chip Magazine has ordered the removal of the
"Radio Television & Hobbies" and "Electronics Australia" archive from
https://www.americanradiohistory.com/index.htm

see the notice at:

https://www.americanradiohistory.com/Electronics_Australia_AU.htm
and
https://americanradiohistory.com/Radio_and_Hobbies.htm

This extensive collection had been the work of countless hobbyists
and researchers who had spend thousands of hours
(and thousands of dollars) collecting and scanning these publications.

Undoubtedly Silicon Chip does own the copyright,

--------------------------------------------------

** But not for ALL of it.

There is a lot on contributed material involved for which they only
have "copyright license" from the contributors - people like
myself.


Unfortunately they could always claims things like their version of
the schematic diagrams, logos, photos (though they've been caught
stealing pics off the internet themselves in the past). So you'd
be left with just the original text, and have to construct new PDFs
around that in order to legally publish it online yourself.

Quote:
I took this up with Leo some time back, he was obliged to admit he
was over-claiming.

It is also arguable that because the alleged infringers were giving
away the material for its historical interest - that it was "fair
use".


I'm not aware of any provisions for "fair use" in the Australian
copyright law, I think that's an American thing. It might be a valid
argument if Silicon Chip were to actually take it to court in the US.

--
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#_ < |\| |< _#

Clifford Heath
Guest

Tue Oct 08, 2019 12:45 am   



On 7/10/19 8:18 pm, graeme.zimmer_at_gmail.com wrote:
Quote:
Was saddened and angry to read that Nicholas Vinen, the editor of Silicon Chip Magazine has ordered the removal of the "Radio Television & Hobbies" and "Electronics Australia" archive from
https://www.americanradiohistory.com/index.htm

see the notice at:
https://www.americanradiohistory.com/Electronics_Australia_AU.htm
and
https://americanradiohistory.com/Radio_and_Hobbies.htm

This extensive collection had been the work of countless hobbyists and researchers who had spend thousands of hours (and thousands of dollars) collecting and scanning these publications.

Undoubtedly Silicon Chip does own the copyright, but unless they make these historical publication readily available, the material is effectively abandoned and will eventually be lost forever.

The threat of prosecution has also resulted in the loss of the priceless ability to search the text of these magazines, even magazines which are long out of copyright.

I had only recently discovered the priceless collection of magazines such as "Wireless Weekly", "Radio & Hobbies", "Australasian Radio World", "Australian Radio TV News", and so many others which I had thought were lost forever.

It's a very sad day when so called "copyright" laws result in our loosing our heritage forever.


So where is the BitTorrent? or posting on NNTP?
I can only think that this is going to back-fire on SC.

Phil Allison
Guest

Tue Oct 08, 2019 2:45 am   



Computer Nerd Kev wrote:

-------------------------

Quote:

Undoubtedly Silicon Chip does own the copyright,

--------------------------------------------------

** But not for ALL of it.

There is a lot on contributed material involved for which they only
have "copyright license" from the contributors - people like
myself.

Unfortunately they could always claims things like their version of
the schematic diagrams, logos, photos (though they've been caught
stealing pics off the internet themselves in the past). So you'd
be left with just the original text, and have to construct new PDFs
around that in order to legally publish it online yourself.


** True, but not having full copyright is very restricting.

Means only publishing a scan or photocopy constitutes a breach - and then only for profit.


Quote:
I took this up with Leo some time back, he was obliged to admit he
was over-claiming.

It is also arguable that because the alleged infringers were giving
away the material for its historical interest - that it was "fair
use".

I'm not aware of any provisions for "fair use" in the Australian
copyright law,


** Better take another look - it is RIGHT there.

So is failing to correctly attribute the author and false attribution.

Both of which have happed to me, over the Miniosc project and others.


Quote:
I think that's an American thing.


** Fair usage is universal.

Covers use for study, criticism, review and other personal uses like doing repair work. See division 3.

https://www.legislation.gov.au/Details/C2014C00291


SC have no intention of going near a court here or elsewhere - notifications like this are a game of bluff, like the silly legal letter I got.



..... Phil

news18
Guest

Tue Oct 08, 2019 6:45 am   



On Tue, 08 Oct 2019 09:55:42 +1100, Clifford Heath wrote:

Quote:
On 7/10/19 8:18 pm, graeme.zimmer_at_gmail.com wrote:
Was saddened and angry to read that Nicholas Vinen, the editor of
Silicon Chip Magazine has ordered the removal of the "Radio Television
& Hobbies" and "Electronics Australia" archive from
https://www.americanradiohistory.com/index.htm

see the notice at:
https://www.americanradiohistory.com/Electronics_Australia_AU.htm and
https://americanradiohistory.com/Radio_and_Hobbies.htm

This extensive collection had been the work of countless hobbyists and
researchers who had spend thousands of hours (and thousands of dollars)
collecting and scanning these publications.

Undoubtedly Silicon Chip does own the copyright, but unless they make
these historical publication readily available, the material is
effectively abandoned and will eventually be lost forever.

The threat of prosecution has also resulted in the loss of the
priceless ability to search the text of these magazines, even magazines
which are long out of copyright.

I had only recently discovered the priceless collection of magazines
such as "Wireless Weekly", "Radio & Hobbies", "Australasian Radio
World", "Australian Radio TV News", and so many others which I had
thought were lost forever.

It's a very sad day when so called "copyright" laws result in our
loosing our heritage forever.


So where is the BitTorrent? or posting on NNTP?

Those are just a distribution method.
For any permenent availability, they still require a source to hold at
least one copy. Something like a electronie Sci-Hub.
There are some other australian stuff listed under archive.org.
I'm not aware of any other likely places.

> I can only think that this is going to back-fire on SC.
You'd think they would be doig what ever they can to promote electronics
hacking for the future rather than closing down information.
Oh well, take time for peope to wake up to the need for change.

Phil Allison
Guest

Wed Oct 09, 2019 3:45 am   



Phil Allison wrote:

-------------------
Quote:

FYI:

I got a threatening email and follow up letter from SC's lawyer
( with a very American sounding name and style ) some years ago,
over a post I made here that Leo and Greg felt was defamatory.
The letter demanded I post an apology.

I also got a rather threatening phone call from Greg Swain one morning.

What I posted was completely fair comment, the guys are plain loopy.


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** I just tried "Tooheys New" in the search box for GGs and wadda you know turned up, from August 30, 2002:

----------------

Hi to all.
have you seen the SC September issue "Circuit Notebook " ?

The featured item titled ... "Ultra Low drop linear voltage regulator"
is a *bit* of a worry!!

Firstly there is a misprint, C3 and C4 should be 470 uF not 270 uF as
shown. But this is nothing compared to the silliness of the whole item.
The low dropout regulator cct is fed from a very high ripple unregulated PSU
with a large DC overvoltage - so what is the f......g point???

At 3 amps (which is specified) the ripple voltage with a mere 2 x 470 uF
is going to be about 20 volts peak to peak - and that is in a supply of
only 21 volts DC maximum!!!

The low drop out 12 volt Mosfet regulator is said to need only 60mV
headroom at 1 amp - nice if you are operating from a car battery maybe but
not with the idiot PSU cct shown.

The rocket scientists at SC must have been completley desperate to
fill up space to crib this POS / PSU from the depths of the net as they
obviously have done - but to then give it feature billing! What mind
expanding substances are they on? Tooheys New?


Regards, Phil


--------------------------------------------------------------


...... Phil

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