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Jim Thompson
Guest

Mon Feb 08, 2010 12:15 am   



Anyone with experience in creating a shaped noise source for AC
analysis/simulation in Spice/PSpice/LTspice?

EFREQ in PSpice is a bit of a kluge to use Sad

...Jim Thompson
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| Analog Innovations, Inc. | et |
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I love to cook with wine. Sometimes I even put it in the food.

Stephan Goldstein
Guest

Mon Feb 08, 2010 2:52 pm   



On Sun, 07 Feb 2010 15:15:05 -0700, Jim Thompson
<To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon_at_My-Web-Site.com> wrote:

Quote:
Anyone with experience in creating a shaped noise source for AC
analysis/simulation in Spice/PSpice/LTspice?

EFREQ in PSpice is a bit of a kluge to use Sad

...Jim Thompson

I'm not familiar with PSpice/LTspice (we use a proprietary
simulator), but if you have a white noise source, why not
build a passive frequency-shaping network and buffer its
output with a vcvs?

Do you want to do this in the frequency domain, or the
time domain? Just curious.

steve

Jim Thompson
Guest

Mon Feb 08, 2010 4:55 pm   



On Mon, 08 Feb 2010 07:52:03 -0500, Stephan Goldstein
<sgoldHAM_at_alum.mit.edu> wrote:

Quote:
On Sun, 07 Feb 2010 15:15:05 -0700, Jim Thompson
To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon_at_My-Web-Site.com> wrote:

Anyone with experience in creating a shaped noise source for AC
analysis/simulation in Spice/PSpice/LTspice?

EFREQ in PSpice is a bit of a kluge to use Sad

...Jim Thompson

I'm not familiar with PSpice/LTspice (we use a proprietary
simulator), but if you have a white noise source, why not
build a passive frequency-shaping network and buffer its
output with a vcvs?

Do you want to do this in the frequency domain, or the
time domain? Just curious.

steve

Frequency domain. What you suggest is what I ended up doing... white
noise run thru EFREQ to shape, but using a text editor to roll my own
EFREQ... PSpice working window sucks Sad

...Jim Thompson
--
| James E.Thompson, CTO | mens |
| Analog Innovations, Inc. | et |
| Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems | manus |
| Phoenix, Arizona 85048 Skype: Contacts Only | |
| Voice:(480)460-2350 Fax: Available upon request | Brass Rat |
| E-mail Icon at http://www.analog-innovations.com | 1962 |

I love to cook with wine. Sometimes I even put it in the food.

Jim Thompson
Guest

Mon Feb 08, 2010 6:22 pm   



On Mon, 8 Feb 2010 08:17:18 -0800 (PST), Robert Macy
<macy_at_california.com> wrote:

Quote:
On Feb 8, 6:55 am, Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-I...@My-Web-
Site.com> wrote:
On Mon, 08 Feb 2010 07:52:03 -0500, Stephan Goldstein





sgold...@alum.mit.edu> wrote:
On Sun, 07 Feb 2010 15:15:05 -0700, Jim Thompson
To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-I...@My-Web-Site.com> wrote:

Anyone with experience in creating a shaped noise source for AC
analysis/simulation in Spice/PSpice/LTspice?

EFREQ in PSpice is a bit of a kluge to use :-(

                                       ...Jim Thompson

I'm not familiar with PSpice/LTspice (we use a proprietary
simulator), but if you have a white noise source, why not
build a passive frequency-shaping network and buffer its
output with a vcvs?

Do you want to do this in the frequency domain, or the
time domain?  Just curious.

steve

Frequency domain.  What you suggest is what I ended up doing... white
noise run thru EFREQ to shape, but using a text editor to roll my own
EFREQ... PSpice working window sucks :-(

                                        ...Jim Thompson
[snip]

If it's just to create a table, use a myriad of script languages.

One example, octave [free Matlab clone] can easily convert a formula
of what you want into a PSpice compatible statement for you.
Automatically doing the step between shape and table that you've been
doing with a text editor, Plus, you can make the table variable
resolution. Frequency steps anything you want.

Do you have the shape in the form of a formula, output vs frequency?

For now, I have just a graph, but I expect to have data points
(tabular) in the future.

...Jim Thompson
--
| James E.Thompson, CTO | mens |
| Analog Innovations, Inc. | et |
| Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems | manus |
| Phoenix, Arizona 85048 Skype: Contacts Only | |
| Voice:(480)460-2350 Fax: Available upon request | Brass Rat |
| E-mail Icon at http://www.analog-innovations.com | 1962 |

I love to cook with wine. Sometimes I even put it in the food.

Robert Macy
Guest

Mon Feb 08, 2010 7:17 pm   



On Feb 8, 6:55 am, Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-I...@My-Web-
Site.com> wrote:
Quote:
On Mon, 08 Feb 2010 07:52:03 -0500, Stephan Goldstein





sgold...@alum.mit.edu> wrote:
On Sun, 07 Feb 2010 15:15:05 -0700, Jim Thompson
To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-I...@My-Web-Site.com> wrote:

Anyone with experience in creating a shaped noise source for AC
analysis/simulation in Spice/PSpice/LTspice?

EFREQ in PSpice is a bit of a kluge to use :-(

                                       ...Jim Thompson

I'm not familiar with PSpice/LTspice (we use a proprietary
simulator), but if you have a white noise source, why not
build a passive frequency-shaping network and buffer its
output with a vcvs?

Do you want to do this in the frequency domain, or the
time domain?  Just curious.

steve

Frequency domain.  What you suggest is what I ended up doing... white
noise run thru EFREQ to shape, but using a text editor to roll my own
EFREQ... PSpice working window sucks :-(

                                        ...Jim Thompson
--
| James E.Thompson, CTO                            |    mens     |
| Analog Innovations, Inc.                         |     et      |
| Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems  |    manus    |
| Phoenix, Arizona  85048    Skype: Contacts Only  |             |
| Voice:(480)460-2350  Fax: Available upon request |  Brass Rat  |
| E-mail Icon athttp://www.analog-innovations.com|    1962     |

I love to cook with wine.     Sometimes I even put it in the food.

If it's just to create a table, use a myriad of script languages.

One example, octave [free Matlab clone] can easily convert a formula
of what you want into a PSpice compatible statement for you.
Automatically doing the step between shape and table that you've been
doing with a text editor, Plus, you can make the table variable
resolution. Frequency steps anything you want.

Do you have the shape in the form of a formula, output vs frequency?

MooseFET
Guest

Mon Feb 08, 2010 7:57 pm   



On Feb 8, 8:22 am, Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-I...@My-Web-
Site.com> wrote:
Quote:
On Mon, 8 Feb 2010 08:17:18 -0800 (PST), Robert Macy





m...@california.com> wrote:
On Feb 8, 6:55 am, Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-I...@My-Web-
Site.com> wrote:
On Mon, 08 Feb 2010 07:52:03 -0500, Stephan Goldstein

sgold...@alum.mit.edu> wrote:
On Sun, 07 Feb 2010 15:15:05 -0700, Jim Thompson
To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-I...@My-Web-Site.com> wrote:

Anyone with experience in creating a shaped noise source for AC
analysis/simulation in Spice/PSpice/LTspice?

EFREQ in PSpice is a bit of a kluge to use :-(

                                       ...Jim Thompson

I'm not familiar with PSpice/LTspice (we use a proprietary
simulator), but if you have a white noise source, why not
build a passive frequency-shaping network and buffer its
output with a vcvs?

Do you want to do this in the frequency domain, or the
time domain?  Just curious.

steve

Frequency domain.  What you suggest is what I ended up doing... white
noise run thru EFREQ to shape, but using a text editor to roll my own
EFREQ... PSpice working window sucks :-(

                                        ...Jim Thompson
[snip]

If it's just to create a table, use a myriad of script languages.

One example, octave [free Matlab clone] can easily convert a formula
of what you want into a PSpice compatible statement for you.
Automatically doing the step between shape and table that you've been
doing with a text editor, Plus, you can make the table variable
resolution.  Frequency steps anything you want.

Do you have the shape in the form of a formula, output vs frequency?

For now, I have just a graph, but I expect to have data points
(tabular) in the future.

Do you want the output as a spreadsheet with a column for freq and
another from amplitude?

Do you use open office?

If yes to both I may have a cool solution for you.

Quote:

                                        ...Jim Thompson
--
| James E.Thompson, CTO                            |    mens     |
| Analog Innovations, Inc.                         |     et      |
| Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems  |    manus    |
| Phoenix, Arizona  85048    Skype: Contacts Only  |             |
| Voice:(480)460-2350  Fax: Available upon request |  Brass Rat  |
| E-mail Icon athttp://www.analog-innovations.com|    1962     |

I love to cook with wine.     Sometimes I even put it in the food.


Jim Thompson
Guest

Tue Feb 09, 2010 8:50 pm   



On Tue, 9 Feb 2010 10:45:24 -0800 (PST), Robert Macy
<macy_at_california.com> wrote:

Quote:
On Feb 8, 8:22 am, Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-I...@My-Web-
Site.com> wrote:
On Mon, 8 Feb 2010 08:17:18 -0800 (PST), Robert Macy







m...@california.com> wrote:
On Feb 8, 6:55 am, Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-I...@My-Web-
Site.com> wrote:
On Mon, 08 Feb 2010 07:52:03 -0500, Stephan Goldstein

sgold...@alum.mit.edu> wrote:
On Sun, 07 Feb 2010 15:15:05 -0700, Jim Thompson
To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-I...@My-Web-Site.com> wrote:

Anyone with experience in creating a shaped noise source for AC
analysis/simulation in Spice/PSpice/LTspice?

EFREQ in PSpice is a bit of a kluge to use :-(

                                       ...Jim Thompson

I'm not familiar with PSpice/LTspice (we use a proprietary
simulator), but if you have a white noise source, why not
build a passive frequency-shaping network and buffer its
output with a vcvs?

Do you want to do this in the frequency domain, or the
time domain?  Just curious.

steve

Frequency domain.  What you suggest is what I ended up doing... white
noise run thru EFREQ to shape, but using a text editor to roll my own
EFREQ... PSpice working window sucks :-(

                                        ...Jim Thompson
[snip]

If it's just to create a table, use a myriad of script languages.

One example, octave [free Matlab clone] can easily convert a formula
of what you want into a PSpice compatible statement for you.
Automatically doing the step between shape and table that you've been
doing with a text editor, Plus, you can make the table variable
resolution.  Frequency steps anything you want.

Do you have the shape in the form of a formula, output vs frequency?

For now, I have just a graph, but I expect to have data points
(tabular) in the future.

                                        ...Jim Thompson
[snip]

There are tons of free programs that take a scanned graph and return
data points. From the chatter on the groups, they appear fairly
good. Even much better than the way I do it...point by point by
insidious point.

Interesting! Got any links?

...Jim Thompson
--
| James E.Thompson, CTO | mens |
| Analog Innovations, Inc. | et |
| Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems | manus |
| Phoenix, Arizona 85048 Skype: Contacts Only | |
| Voice:(480)460-2350 Fax: Available upon request | Brass Rat |
| E-mail Icon at http://www.analog-innovations.com | 1962 |

I love to cook with wine. Sometimes I even put it in the food.

Robert Macy
Guest

Tue Feb 09, 2010 9:45 pm   



On Feb 8, 8:22 am, Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-I...@My-Web-
Site.com> wrote:
Quote:
On Mon, 8 Feb 2010 08:17:18 -0800 (PST), Robert Macy







m...@california.com> wrote:
On Feb 8, 6:55 am, Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-I...@My-Web-
Site.com> wrote:
On Mon, 08 Feb 2010 07:52:03 -0500, Stephan Goldstein

sgold...@alum.mit.edu> wrote:
On Sun, 07 Feb 2010 15:15:05 -0700, Jim Thompson
To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-I...@My-Web-Site.com> wrote:

Anyone with experience in creating a shaped noise source for AC
analysis/simulation in Spice/PSpice/LTspice?

EFREQ in PSpice is a bit of a kluge to use :-(

                                       ...Jim Thompson

I'm not familiar with PSpice/LTspice (we use a proprietary
simulator), but if you have a white noise source, why not
build a passive frequency-shaping network and buffer its
output with a vcvs?

Do you want to do this in the frequency domain, or the
time domain?  Just curious.

steve

Frequency domain.  What you suggest is what I ended up doing... white
noise run thru EFREQ to shape, but using a text editor to roll my own
EFREQ... PSpice working window sucks :-(

                                        ...Jim Thompson
[snip]

If it's just to create a table, use a myriad of script languages.

One example, octave [free Matlab clone] can easily convert a formula
of what you want into a PSpice compatible statement for you.
Automatically doing the step between shape and table that you've been
doing with a text editor, Plus, you can make the table variable
resolution.  Frequency steps anything you want.

Do you have the shape in the form of a formula, output vs frequency?

For now, I have just a graph, but I expect to have data points
(tabular) in the future.

                                        ...Jim Thompson
--
| James E.Thompson, CTO                            |    mens     |
| Analog Innovations, Inc.                         |     et      |
| Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems  |    manus    |
| Phoenix, Arizona  85048    Skype: Contacts Only  |             |
| Voice:(480)460-2350  Fax: Available upon request |  Brass Rat  |
| E-mail Icon athttp://www.analog-innovations.com|    1962     |

I love to cook with wine.     Sometimes I even put it in the food.

There are tons of free programs that take a scanned grpah and return
data points. From the chatter on the groups, they appear fairly
good. Even much better than the way I do it...point by point by
insidious point.

Robert Macy
Guest

Wed Feb 10, 2010 1:14 am   



On Feb 9, 10:50 am, Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-I...@My-
Web-Site.com> wrote:
Quote:
On Tue, 9 Feb 2010 10:45:24 -0800 (PST), Robert Macy







m...@california.com> wrote:
On Feb 8, 8:22 am, Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-I...@My-Web-
Site.com> wrote:
On Mon, 8 Feb 2010 08:17:18 -0800 (PST), Robert Macy

m...@california.com> wrote:
On Feb 8, 6:55 am, Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-I...@My-Web-
Site.com> wrote:
On Mon, 08 Feb 2010 07:52:03 -0500, Stephan Goldstein

sgold...@alum.mit.edu> wrote:
On Sun, 07 Feb 2010 15:15:05 -0700, Jim Thompson
To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-I...@My-Web-Site.com> wrote:

Anyone with experience in creating a shaped noise source for AC
analysis/simulation in Spice/PSpice/LTspice?

EFREQ in PSpice is a bit of a kluge to use :-(

                                       ...Jim Thompson

I'm not familiar with PSpice/LTspice (we use a proprietary
simulator), but if you have a white noise source, why not
build a passive frequency-shaping network and buffer its
output with a vcvs?

Do you want to do this in the frequency domain, or the
time domain?  Just curious.

steve

Frequency domain.  What you suggest is what I ended up doing... white
noise run thru EFREQ to shape, but using a text editor to roll my own
EFREQ... PSpice working window sucks :-(

                                        ...Jim Thompson
[snip]

If it's just to create a table, use a myriad of script languages.

One example, octave [free Matlab clone] can easily convert a formula
of what you want into a PSpice compatible statement for you.
Automatically doing the step between shape and table that you've been
doing with a text editor, Plus, you can make the table variable
resolution.  Frequency steps anything you want.

Do you have the shape in the form of a formula, output vs frequency?

For now, I have just a graph, but I expect to have data points
(tabular) in the future.

                                        ...Jim Thompson
[snip]

There are tons of free programs that take a scanned graph and return
data points.  From the chatter on the groups, they appear fairly
good.  Even much better than the way I do it...point by point by
insidious point.

Interesting!  Got any links?

                                        ...Jim Thompson
--
| James E.Thompson, CTO                            |    mens     |
| Analog Innovations, Inc.                         |     et      |
| Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems  |    manus    |
| Phoenix, Arizona  85048    Skype: Contacts Only  |             |
| Voice:(480)460-2350  Fax: Available upon request |  Brass Rat  |
| E-mail Icon athttp://www.analog-innovations.com|    1962     |

I love to cook with wine.     Sometimes I even put it in the food.

No, lost them with those 8 HD crashes within 2 years and several
backed up the others! so URLs got lost

googel search?

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